Proposed Sanctioning Amendment

[Amy Fugate]

Bear-

I think you misunderstood the intent of my message.This wasn't an attempt to
detract from the novice tournament in Baltimore.  Overland Park and Chicago are in virtually the same region,
at least they are both Midwest.  I don't think having a novice division
at the NJDDT the week after novice nationals makes sense.  And while that
tournament does have outstanding freshman debaters in attendance, it also
has other novice debaters.  The NJDDT also has some outstanding debaters
in their second year of debate-- that doesn't seem to justify not
sanctioning the tournaments.  I would also support anyone else offering a
Novice only nationals or a jv nationals being sanctioned as well.

I just don't support the ammendment that requires three divisions in
order to be sanctioned.

Amy Fugate
Director of Forensics
Johnson County Community College


On Mon, 17 Nov 1997 MWBRYANT at aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 97-11-17 13:04:08 EST, Fugate writes:
>
> << Furthermore, with a Novice National tournament located in the midwest
>  (Northwestern) the week before, I don't see the benefit of offering a novice
>  division at this tournament.  Last year we held the CEDA regional open
>  division tournament here in conjunction with the NJDDT, but it was with
>  the understanding that it wouldn't detract from the special tournament
>  for our j.v. debaters.
>   >>
>
> Amy,
>
> Northwestern's Novice Nationals is novice in name only. Novice in NDT meant
> first year debater. Novice Nationals is a tournament which showcases some of
> the top high school stars in the nation that are in their freshman year of
> debate. I dare say that the tournament has only a handfew of the type of
> students that you would consider novice. It is not a "novice" nat'l
> championship. It should, in no way, detract from the excellent idea of a CEDA
> Novice Nationals that might be more centrally located than the suburbs of
> Baltimore.
>
> Bear
>

>From  Mon Nov 17 13:31:42 1997
Message-Id: <MON.17.NOV.1997.133142.0500.>
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 13:31:42 -0500
Reply-To: MWBRYANT at AOL.COM
To: Team Topic Debating in America <EDEBATE at LIST.UVM.EDU>
From: Michael Bear Bryant <MWBRYANT at AOL.COM>
Subject: Open Invite to Berube
Comments: To: berube at garnet.cla.sc.edu

We're going to continue to hold this slot at the RR for your team. Why don't
you deflate your ego a bit and consider what might be best for your students,
rather than yourself. That is what professionalism is about, right?

Bear

>From  Mon Nov 17 13:40:58 1997
Message-Id: <MON.17.NOV.1997.134058.0500.>
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 13:40:58 -0500
Reply-To: MWBRYANT at AOL.COM
To: Team Topic Debating in America <EDEBATE at LIST.UVM.EDU>
From: Michael Bear Bryant <MWBRYANT at AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Proposed Sanctioning Amendment
Comments: To: afugate at johnco.cc.ks.us

In a message dated 97-11-17 13:30:57 EST, Amy writes:

<< Bear-

 I think you misunderstood the intent of my message.This wasn't an attempt to

 detract from the novice tournament in Baltimore.  Overland Park and Chicago
are in virtually the same region,
 at least they are both Midwest.  I don't think having a novice division
 at the NJDDT the week after novice nationals makes sense.  And while that
 tournament does have outstanding freshman debaters in attendance, it also
 has other novice debaters.   >>

You're not receiving, Amy. Northwestern Novice Nationals is an extremely
strong tournament comprised of very experienced debaters. I dare say there
are virtually no "first-year" novices in attendance at the Northwestern
tournament. IT IS NOT A "NOVICE" TOURNAMENT. For the life of me, I can't see
why this tournament should in ANY way make running a real Novice Natl's at
your tournament duplicative. Northwestern's tournament clings to the term
"Novice" in a way not recognized by CEDA.

My goal is a National Championship for real novice (actual first-year
debaters) that is more centrally located than Baltimore, which is just too
expensive for most of us in the West.

Bear

>From  Mon Nov 17 13:44:18 1997
Message-Id: <MON.17.NOV.1997.134418.0500.>
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 13:44:18 -0500
Reply-To: MWBRYANT at AOL.COM
To: Team Topic Debating in America <EDEBATE at LIST.UVM.EDU>
From: Michael Bear Bryant <MWBRYANT at AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Do We Really Need Korcok?
Comments: To: hunt at lclark.edu

In a message dated 97-11-17 13:29:43 EST, you write:

<<
 Can't you guys take this back channel in private PLEASE!!
 Steve Hunt
 Lewis & Clark

  >>

Can't you stop asking that question? As long as he continues to attack me in
the open, I'll be responding. Do we need to keep the line open for another
invasion proclamation from Berube?

Just hit delete and have a nice day,

Bear