Myn Wall

Mon Jan 31 14:20:09 CST 2000

I didn't mean to imply that Hester, Breshears or anyone for that matter
would react violently if someone merely posted some accomplishments of
people in this activity.  Sorry, didn't mean to speak for them.  I was
however implying that if this wall was erected in a fashion that was meant
to demean Rachel and her work, or womyn in general (like the original men
page) that people in this community would not view it favorably, and the
person responsible would be held accountable for their actions.  If it's
tasteful and not meant to poke fun at the womyn in debate page or the
womyn's wall--fine.  I fear that's not the plan however.

Darren Elliott
"CHIEF"
Asst. Debate Coach Wichita State University

>From: UWG Debate Team <dbteam at WESTGA.EDU>
>Reply-To: UWG Debate Team <dbteam at WESTGA.EDU>
>To: EDEBATE at LIST.UVM.EDU
>Subject: Re: Myn Wall
>Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 08:52:27 -0500
>
>i have nothing against a wall devoted to some other group's
>accomplishments in debate- whether it be men, or african americans, or
>sikhs, or even a special wall devoted to those who went 5-3 with 12
>ballots at the ndt when ballots mattered (i've still have my bat from
>that tournament; it got me through the gloom. i can tape it to the wall).
>in fact, those of you who attended the gender forum at wake know that
>there are many in our community who would like to see the narrow focus on
>women broadened (except shenara and sarah and myself and others there
>don't view attacking rachel's work as part of that project).
>         so if gene-gene-the-dancing-machine wants to put up a wall, i gots
>no problems. my bone of contention was with the style and manner of the
>webpage. and for that i will ask for a conciliatory response. but i'm not
>gonna tear down anything or throw blood on anybody. it wouldn't upset me
>if all the walls were decorated with the accomplishments of past
>debaters/coaches.
>mother, should i build a wall?
>hester
>
>
>  On Mon, 31 Jan 2000, DARREN ELLIOTT wrote:
>
> > Dear Jackass,
> >
> > I sincerely hope you try this.  I want front-row seats so I can see
>Hester
> > and Breshears as they enter the equation.  I stayed out of this thread
> > because you were only an annoyance.  I've spent the last hour or so
>pouring
> > over the womyn in debate page and I was very moved, especially
>re-reading
> > Becky's posts from edebate.  The womyn's accomplishments in this
>activity
> > are far more significant than anything you could post about men.  You
>know
> > why?  Because the hill they had to climb was a lot higher then it was
>for
> > men like myself.  I feel sorry for you.  Please crawl back under your
>rock.
> >
> > Darren Elliott
> > "CHIEF"
> > Asst. Debate Coach Wichita State University
> >
> > >
> > >I will find a wall at the NDT to put up an impromptu, unoffical myn's
>wall,
> > >to celebrate the achievements of myn, much like the webpage.  I will
>also
> > >reveal my identity at the time.  A lot of people will be surprised to
>find
> > >out who I am.  (I am an active college debater on a fairly regional
>squad,
> > >but folks out of my region have seen me at a few big tournaments.)
> > >
> > >As for tracking me down, don't bother.  (Columbus, OH?  What was THAT
>guy
> > >thinking?)
> > >
> > >Your pal,
> > >Gene
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From: John Nickle <Cnfuzzd at AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: The death of CEDA in Arkansas and Louisiana
Comments: To: meaves at valdosta.edu

this may be similar to a problem Fritch highlighted a while ago about the
problems of novice standards and high school debate in this area. Most of
missouri high schools, as well as some to most of arkansas schools have
debate programs, meaning that many people interested in debate gain
experience. however, the form of debate practiced around here is unlike
anything ever seen on the ceda/ndt circuit. its slow, rhetorical, and not
very analytical. I think the most cards i ever read in a speech was 12 (and
these cards were *short*) and my partner and i almost lost a round for citing
evidence as "johnson in 98" as opposed to the full cite required by NFL. This
type of experience does absolutly nothing to prepare one for ceda/ndt debate,
but still denies one novice eligibility. Essentially, many people going into
college debate from this area are true novices but are "forced" to debate in
jv. This isnt always a bad thing (except for me, i should still *clearly* be
in novice), but it can make a slower progression through the ranks of debate
more difficult. The situation is being remedy as outside influences filter
in, including this list, the cx-l, debate central, and debate camps (mad
shout out to the kansas camp for teaching me how to debate my junior year of
high school. When one judges me, blame them <or fritch>) but the progress is
still slow.

peace

nickle