My FINAL post on myn/nonmyn
Tara Lucinda Tate
Mon Jan 31 16:15:11 CST 2000
I also think Jenny Alme and Kristin Dybvig should be added to the
On Mon, 31 Jan 2000 14:07:29 -0800 Sue Lowrie <Sue_Lowrie at CAPGROUP.COM>
> Darren and respondent:
> I will make this short and sweet, but I will tell you as someone
> included on Darren's list (and feeling incredibly honored by it) that
> this type of list does a number of things:
> It recognizes that although this activity may have some male-bias,
> it has a strong and supportive circle of women and men who help a
> long list of women achieve what they are capable of achieving.
> It highlights to the community that we have been successful at
> fostering, listening to and responding to the voices of women.
> It points out that our sometimes seemingly lonely struggles are not
> so lonely after all.
> It inspires me to continue to be concerned and to try to follow in
> the rather large footsteps of women like Carrie and Glenda and
> Laura... It also makes me reflect on all of the women and men who
> have given me support, love and encouragement during both the good
> and the bad times...
> In doing all this, you may not see it achieving anything by your
> standards...but, it isn't really your standards that Darren is trying
> to achieve by. I think he's aiming a little higher...he's aiming to
> achieve the standards of respect and admiration and appreciation that
> mean so much to people like me...So, thanks Darren...and I'd like to
> add a couple of names to the list (sorry if I'm being repetitive, but I
> don't think I saw these names):
> Jan Hovden, Gina Lane, Leigh Farstfeedth (spelling? sorry!), and Tracy
> DARREN ELLIOTT <elliottdarren at HOTMAIL.COM> on 01/31/2000 12:33:30 PM
> Please respond to DARREN ELLIOTT <elliottdarren at HOTMAIL.COM>
> To: EDEBATE at LIST.UVM.EDU
> cc: (bcc: Sue Lowrie/COMM/CRMC/CAPITAL)
> Subject: Re: My FINAL post on myn/nonmyn
> Jackass #2,
> Answer the args or concede the debate, idiot. Haefele's comment on
> your IQ pretty much sums it up. As for calling me out however,
> >People like Darren prove my point. what is this shiznit about posting a
> >list of women every time gene sends a message? what good is that going
> to >accomplish? what if i post a list of men every time a female (is
> that word >offensive to since its etymological classification defines
> females in a >binary opposition to males?) posts something to the list?
> WHAT THE FUCK IS >THAT GOING TO ACCOMPLISH??
> First, you need someone like me to prove your point because your
> arguments suck. Second, Inundating the stupid with the truth will
> hopefully help them see the light. Constant exposure to the truth, and
> eventually the people will come around. The point of my list and my
> argument you failed to answer is simple-womyn in this activity have had
> to climb a lot higher hill then the men, so their accomplishments
> do/should stand out. Post your list of men-still a non-answer.
> Besides hopefully if I clog your account with the names of womyn in
> this activity you'll shut the hell up and go away.
> >some of you people are so fucking stupid and so caught up in your
> futile >little wars to convert the world you fucking lose site of what
> the fuck is >really going on in the world. theres more important
> things, and better ways >of solving problems than doing stupid shit
> like this.
> We're stupid? That's a good one, and credible. You're the jackass
> saying narratives, poems, etc. is bullshit and accomplishes nothing.
> You're dead wrong. After re-reading them last night I feel compelled
> to make sure the struggle of womyn in this activity is highlighted in
> the hopes of equality some glorious day. Maybe you will never
> understand. Maybe you will. But some in the middle may have been
> brought around to the realization that the womyn in our activity for
> too long have been silenced. It's ime they are heard. And you cannot
> deny how impressive the list is that I've constructed.
> thanks for reading,
> Darren Elliott "CHIEF"
> Asst. Debate Coach Wichita State University
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