My FINAL post on myn/nonmyn

[Tara Lucinda Tate]

I also think Jenny Alme and Kristin Dybvig should be added to the
list...

Tara Tate
UNT

On Mon, 31 Jan 2000 14:07:29 -0800 Sue Lowrie <Sue_Lowrie at CAPGROUP.COM>
wrote:
> Darren and respondent:
>
> I will make this short and sweet, but I will tell you as someone
> included on Darren's list (and feeling incredibly honored by it) that
> this type of list does a number of things:
>
>    It recognizes that although this activity may have some male-bias,
> it has a    strong and supportive circle of women and men who help a
> long list of women    achieve what they are capable of achieving.
>    It highlights to the community that we have been successful at
> fostering,    listening to and responding to the voices of women.
>    It points out that our sometimes seemingly lonely struggles are not
> so lonely    after all.
>    It inspires me to continue to be concerned and to try to follow in
> the rather    large footsteps of women like Carrie and Glenda and
> Laura...    It also makes me reflect on all of the women and men who
> have given me    support, love and encouragement during both the good
> and the bad times...
>
> In doing all this, you may not see it achieving anything by your
> standards...but, it isn't really your standards that Darren is trying
> to achieve by.  I think he's aiming a little higher...he's aiming to
> achieve the standards of respect and admiration and appreciation that
> mean so much to people like me...So, thanks Darren...and I'd like to
> add a couple of names to the list (sorry if I'm being repetitive, but I
> don't think I saw these names):
>
> Jan Hovden, Gina Lane, Leigh Farstfeedth (spelling? sorry!), and Tracy
> Gonos...
>
> Sincerely....
> Sue
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> DARREN ELLIOTT <elliottdarren at HOTMAIL.COM> on 01/31/2000 12:33:30 PM
>
> Please respond to DARREN ELLIOTT <elliottdarren at HOTMAIL.COM>
>
> To:   EDEBATE at LIST.UVM.EDU
> cc:    (bcc: Sue Lowrie/COMM/CRMC/CAPITAL)
> Subject:  Re: My FINAL post on myn/nonmyn
>
>
>
> Jackass #2,
> Answer the args or concede the debate, idiot.  Haefele's comment on
> your IQ pretty much sums it up.  As for calling me out however,
>
> >People like Darren prove my point. what is this shiznit about posting a
> >list of women every time gene sends a message? what good is that going
> to >accomplish? what if i post a list of men every time a female (is
> that word >offensive to since its etymological classification defines
> females in a >binary opposition to males?) posts something to the list?
> WHAT THE FUCK IS >THAT GOING TO ACCOMPLISH??
>
> First, you need someone like me to prove your point because your
> arguments suck.  Second, Inundating the stupid with the truth will
> hopefully help them see the light.  Constant exposure to the truth, and
> eventually the people will come around.  The point of my list and my
> argument you failed to answer is simple-womyn in this activity have had
> to climb a lot higher hill then the men, so their accomplishments
> do/should stand out.  Post your list of men-still a non-answer.
> Besides hopefully if I clog your account with the names of womyn in
> this activity you'll shut the hell up and go away.
>
> >some of you people are so fucking stupid and so caught up in your
> futile >little wars to convert the world you fucking lose site of what
> the fuck is >really going on in the world. theres more important
> things, and better ways >of solving problems than doing stupid shit
> like this.
>
> We're stupid?  That's a good one, and credible.  You're the jackass
> saying narratives, poems, etc. is bullshit and accomplishes nothing.
> You're dead wrong.  After re-reading them last night I feel compelled
> to make sure the struggle of womyn in this activity is highlighted in
> the hopes of equality some glorious day.  Maybe you will never
> understand.  Maybe you will.  But some in the middle may have been
> brought around to the realization that the womyn in our activity for
> too long have been silenced.  It's ime they are heard.  And you cannot
> deny how impressive the list is that I've constructed.
>
> thanks for reading,
> Darren Elliott "CHIEF"
> Asst. Debate Coach Wichita State University
>
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