Election Fraud?

[Joshua Hoe]

Look I understand everyones consternation about the election but it is 
hardly sour grapes.  In a community in which we gripe if a judge makes a 
tiny little error Gore is about to lose an election based on 400 or so votes 
in one state.  Give me a break, not sour grapes...Incredulity perhaps...not 
sour grapes.


Josh


>From: "Jennifer Dixon" <piratepookiebear at HOTMAIL.COM>
>To: edebate at ndtceda.com
>Subject: Re: Election Fraud?
>Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 17:20:12 EST
>
>The ballots in Palm Beach were legitimate according to Florida state law.
>
>As reported by MSNBC today:
>
>"Clay Roberts, director of the State Division of Elections, said Wednesday
>the ballot complied with state statutes. Both the Republican and Democratic
>parties approved the ballot before the election."
>
>Some people are shouting from mountaintops that the list of candidates is
>supposed to be shown in one column according to Fl. law.  I don't know what
>to make of that, but nobody (reperesenting either the Democratic party or
>the Republican party) registered complaints when given the opportunity.
>
>Now, don't get me wrong--I hate Bush and Gore equally, but all of the fuss
>over this sounds like a good old fashioned case of sour grapes to me if 
>BOTH
>parties approved the ballot prior to the election, and especially since
>there were CLEAR instructions written on the ballot itself to punch the 
>hole
>next to the arrow.  It is also not inconceivable that Buchanan would get a
>decent amount since there are more registered Reform party folks than there
>were votes for the Reform party candidate.
>
>I reiterate my previous point that if there was any confusion, they had
>every opportunity before they punched the holes and afterward to ensure 
>that
>they voted for the correct candidate.  Their original intent is irrelevant.
>
>Jen
>
>
>
>This is ABSOLUTELY wrong. If the ballots didn't conform to state law (which
>>is what will need to be determined), then they will be invalid. Whether or
>>not people should've taken some nebulous level of responsibility is
>>irrelevant. The fact that the ballots were used in the past, or they were
>>published in the newspaper (WITHOUT showing where the ballot holes would
>>be,
>>I might add) would be irrelevant. Whether or not we think people are
>>"whining" or being denied their rights to vote are irrelevant. If the
>>ballots were illegal, that is the issue.
>>
>>Secondly, I can't understand for the life of me why so many people 
>>consider
>>this "whining". If someone is running for the presidency, and there was 
>>the
>>possibility of bad results or some level of contested/disputed results,
>>then
>>I think they should do everything in their power to see to it that 
>>accurate
>>results are gotten. They owe it to the people of America.
>>
>>Finally, the argument that so many people could've deliberately voted for
>>Buchanan, as the Republicans are now claiming, doesn't hold water for me:
>>if
>>that's true, sending them back for a re-vote would either a.) cause them 
>>to
>>vote for buchanan again, making the results the same or b.) cause them to
>>vote for bush, increasing his margin of victory. There's no reason to
>>believe these people would vote for Gore if they intended to vote for
>>Buchanan.
>>
>>Look, the people who favor more scrutiny aren't "whining", they're asking
>>for fairness. I'd do the same for anyone.
>>
>
>
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