Cross-Ex and Alt Use Time

[Bryguy Gill]

The solution to the "c-x of 2nr is unfair" problem is obvious- neg should 
save some prep time for after 2AR :)

Bryon

"First, why did you just lie to us for 6 minutes?"


>From: "Stephen Heidt" <stephenheidt at HOTMAIL.COM>
>To: ermo at ukans.edu
>CC: edebate at ndtceda.com
>Subject: Re: Cross-Ex and Alt Use Time
>Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 15:38:30 EST
>
>
>Alternative use time rules.
>
>My experience at the KY RR was that CX lasted LONGER than usual (to answer
>Bryon's question) because the debater that was not prepping for the next
>speech kept a continuous series of questions going until the next speaker
>was prepped.  For example, when we were neg, Dan would be prepping for the
>2NC and I would keep asking questions at the 2AC until Dan was ready.  That
>was extremely advantageous to us because it allowed us to set up more of 
>our
>args for the 2NC/1NR.  The same worked for the aff.  While I was prepping
>for the 2AC, Dan would continue to ask questions about the 1NC which helped
>set up my 2AC.  Beyond all the strategic elements, this was genuinely fun.
>
>The issue I have not seen addressed on edebate though, is that off rebuttal
>CXs.  Kentucky did not allow using time to CX after or before rebuttal
>speeches.  I believe the reason for that is that a CX after the 2NR could 
>be
>devastating to the Neg's chances.  Also, if the Aff could CX after the 2NR,
>then couldn't the Neg CX after the 2AR?  Either way, I think that's
>problematic.  Capping CX for constructives only also allows judges to go to
>the bathroom, leave the room, etc during rebuttal prep time.  The other
>issue of debaters leaving the room seems resolveable.  As long as one
>debater is in the room, then CX can continue.  And, debaters don't really
>need to use the restroom before and after every speech, even if they ask to
>do it.  They can wait for the rebuttals.
>
>SHeidt
>
>>From: "Eric Morris" <ermo at ukans.edu>
>>To: "Bryguy Gill" <db8coach at HOTMAIL.COM>, <bratt at cua.edu>,
>><ending at probemail.com>, <edebate at ndtceda.com>
>>Subject: Re: Cross-Ex and Alt Use Time
>>Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 14:01:33 -0600
>>
>>One trick to this system is that it seems to foreclose anyone leaving the
>>room
>>at any time for any reason. Cross-X could restart at any point, and since
>>as
>>a judge I am expected to hear and take account of CX answers, the common
>>practice of bathroom breaks, etc., seems to be foreclosed.
>>
>>Also, the individual debaters would not be able to leave the room, except
>>perhaps
>>during their OWN prep, since the other team may wish to ask a CX question
>>at any point.
>>
>>I may misunderstand the format in pointing out these concerns, however.
>>Does
>>anyone have any feedback?
>>
>>Eric Morris
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: Bryguy Gill <db8coach at hotmail.com>
>>To: <bratt at cua.edu>; <ending at probemail.com>; <edebate at ndtceda.com>
>>Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 1:17 PM
>>Subject: Cross-Ex and Alt Use Time
>>
>>
>> > I have a few juicy thoughts on this issue:
>> >
>> > 1. A clever c-x subject will often filibuster until the bell, leaving a
>> > critical question or questions unanswered.  Without the 3 minute bell,
>>we
>> > lose the 3 minute evasion mark, but then a clever filibusterish type
>>might
>> > find that she can chew up an awful lot of the opponents prep time by
>>giving
>> > thorough answers to the questions she chooses to answer.  Is this a
>>problem?
>> >
>> > 2. If the entire prep time period is also c-x time now, does that mean
>>the
>> > judge can't leave the room during that period in case someone wants to
>>ask
>>a
>> > question?
>> >
>> > 3. I am a bit uncomfortable with the idea of deformalizing c-x.  I 
>>think
>> > that it's the most important part of a good debate, where the specifics
>>are
>> > clarified in detail, and follow up questions can often cut short 3
>>speeches
>> > worth of evasive answers.  I fear that informal c-x will eventually 
>>mean
>>no
>> > c-x in favor of preparing speeches only.  Perhaps a better (or equally
>>good)
>> > idea would be to make *speech* time and prep time interchangeable?
>> >
>> > That will be $.02 please.
>> >
>> > Bryon
>> >
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