[eDebate] final duaney?

[Kevin Sanchez]

dear duane and friends:

"I encourage you, the next time you are interacting with a group of adults 
at either your place of business, or the local watering hole, to vocally 
express your beliefs as you have stated them to the list."

i've done so, many a time

"I invite you, if you are engaged in the very abusive relationship that you 
advocate, to talk to the girl's, or boy's, parents - let them know that you 
are taking sexual pleasure with there young daughter, or son."

i've never been in an abusive relationship, thank goodness; i have, however, 
talked to parents who's daughter i was intimate with: i told her abusive mom 
that love requires equality

"You see, it's one thing to voice a bunch of outrageous bullshit to the 
list, after all, one might say that a function of the list is to voice such 
things, it's quite another to express your heartfelt belief to the public at 
large."

i have done so in many social settings: high schools, family gatherings, 
public lectures, etc.

"If this is truly your belief, and you are truly comfortable with what you 
espouse, then you should have no trouble at all expressing in any setting. 
Something tells me though that either this is not your belief, and you are 
seeking attention, or, if it is your belief, it is something you are ashamed 
of and would strive to keep from the public at large."

let's be clear as possible then: I AM NOT ASHAMED ... certaintly not because 
you and every other bigot in this society calls what i consider to be loving 
relationships to be 'child molestation' - you are the one who should be 
ashamed, you are the one defending a prejudice that hurts people daily, and 
you are the one slandering me: i am NOT an advocate of molestation or rape 
or any kind of sexual domination regardless of age, period: your prejudiced 
notion that every adult-child sexual relations must be abusive is your trip, 
not mine, and i think i have more personal experience to speak from

"You know, the other funny part is your address: Let the American Empire 
Burn. You do realize that this is the same American Empire that allows you 
to attend college, most likely with some form of financial aid, that allows 
you to spread your garbage views, and in which you've been raised all your 
life."

ah the 'we pay the bills' argument: this one (was and) is quite the favorite 
of male chauvanists' who tell their wives what to do because they 
financially support them; still bigots never tire of using it - yes, the 
feds pay for my college, and put $300 in my pockets to boot: in return for 
this money i feel its my responsibility to do as much as i can to promote an 
educational experience at the university of texas at austin: however, i also 
consider many of the practices of this state university to be in direct 
opposition to genuine education, so i also feel its my duty to use this 
money and the opportunities it brings me to resist the system, the american 
empire generally, its manifestation in this state university specifically; 
but of course i have no interest in getting a degree from this place: i'm 
only researching an experiment in one student's resistance against the state 
university system, and i intend to sumbit the findings of my report to 
hampshire college, which i plan to attend in a couple years with to research 
some more proposals for activism (fyi: hampshire is a gradeless, communal 
liberal arts college which allows their students the widest range of 
academic freedoms of any college i've seen, i highly recommend it)

"If you don't like it here, why not leave and go to some other place that 
might treat you better? Why stay in someting that you obivously hate?"

'Love America or Leave It'? and i thought i was the one who belonged in the 
60s :) ... i love america, and my love for america requires me to resist the 
american empire, and to take much joy in its inevitable fall, its just that 
simple

"Oh well - I guess you really want attention or somehing."

not sure if i want attention, respect would be nice but that's pushing it 
for someone with my beliefs, attention is just what i settle for ... oh and 
we can all make perjorative shots in the dark at someone's psyche to 
undermine their convictions, i could say that you're just towing the 
dominant mono-cultures' adultist line because you want to fit in and be 
liked, not insulted and discounted like me; but alas, ad homs still aren't 
arguments, and for the millions of children around the world in the arms of 
adults right now who love them, even if erotically, your personal attacks 
are irrelevant ... here's someone i've never met who e-mailed me (who shall 
remain anonymous due to how those who even partially defend me are attacked, 
eg: dheeraj), the subject-title of their e-mail was 'thanks :)':

"While I am sure that you have gotton a huge number of emails regarding this 
series of posts, I am not sure what percentage of them are positive...so, I 
figured I'd write to tell you how much I appreciate the discussion you 
started." ... this person then proceeds to tell a personal story of an 
adult-child relationship they had, a 14yrold and a 21yrold, this person 
tells of recieving the 'you can't date a 21yrold' lecture from their 
parents, and concludes "I hope that I will be able to understand what my 
parents did not" ...  finally this person writes to me personally: "Not only 
did you manage to vocalize some questions I have been dealing with but 
couldn't find the words for. You also did it a way that made me admire you 
as a person. I can't say that I already agree with everything you have said 
(partially because I didn't read all of it -  I was  tired of some of the 
dumb replies you got) but I can say I totally respect you." - thank you very 
much, annon e. mouse

positive private backchannels and negative public replies are getting to be 
quite an old story, duane: but feel free to continue with your disparagment 
... if you need the attention, that is :)     :luvkev

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