Of All The Crazy... [re: Jack's conspiracy theory]
Sun Sep 16 21:23:33 CDT 2001
Well, as long as I'm going to be an "apologist for the new military state",
I might as well mention the following two blurbs from the Wall Street
Journal editorial website.
Now, in light of the evidence, I don't suppose the apologist could get an
One Marcio A.V. Carvalho, a student at a Brazilian university, says a
professor of his is claiming that CNN footage of partying Palestinians was
actually shot in 1991 and portrays celebrations of Saddam Hussein's invasion
of Kuwait. (Why a Brazilian student would think it acceptable to celebrate
that atrocity isn't clear.) CNN's chief news executive, Eason Jordan says
the Brazilian charge is "baseless and ridiculous."
[I should mention a full text of his remarks included the insight that the
tape includes praise of Osama bin Laden, who wasn't a player back in 1991...
or 1990, which is an important distinction -- see below]
Yesterday we noted that one Marcio A.V. Carvalho, a student at a Brazilian
university, has been making the claim, supposedly at the urging of a
professor, that CNN has shown footage of festive Palestinians that, in
Carvalho's words, "WERE SHOT BACK IN 1991!!! Those are images of
Palestinians celebrating the invasion of Kuwait!"
Reader John Freitag Isham points out something so obvious, we're red-faced
for not noticing it ourselves: Iraq invaded Kuwait in 1990.
----- Original Message -----
From: "jack stroube" <jackattack7 at hotmail.com>
To: <pjm1 at express.cec.wustl.edu>; <edebate at ndtceda.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 7:44 PM
Subject: Re: Of All The Crazy... [re: Jack's conspiracy theory]
> when this thing breaks and i got Fairness and Accuracy In Reporting (FAIR)
> and the anti-war left on my side and we are protesting at CNN next week
> this, you will appear as you are, an apologist for the new military state.
> duh, this is not bullshit. read the bottom. they are taking this all the
> way, putting CNN on the spot. the tape is to be available soon that
> it. others are indicating to me that they already thought it looked like
> stock footage.
> down with media manipulation used to kill palestinians.
> yeah, fucking idiot, palestinians have control of the US media that rivals
> AIPAC and their billions of dollars. the deliberately sunk Palestinian
> economy is being used to generate a massive media campaign to control
> american public opinion.
> your characterizations of the palestinians are racist and you are pointing
> to sensationalist media sources which have effectively indoctrinated
> americans in racism against palestinians and garners support for the
> path of military escalation.
> countering zionism is not racist action again jews in this case but an
> attempt to expose the theocratic nature of the state and to demonstrate
> fundamental incompatibility with democracy despite all the media spin jobs
> that "israel is the only democracy in the middle east".
> the post-zionism thread is forthcoming in response to klein's ridiculous
> equation of my attitudes with out of date 60s style anti-zionism. we are
> challenging the notion of a state based on a jewish identity and the fact
> that in practice it fails to do what it is supposed to which is protect
> and instead exposes them to constant anonymous guerilla warfare which can
> not be eliminated through military means despite the stubborn commitments
> that path.
> >From: "Patrick McKenzie" <pjm1 at express.cec.wustl.edu>
> >To: <edebate at ndtceda.com>
> >Subject: Of All The Crazy... [re: Jack's conspiracy theory]
> >Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 10:03:07 -0500
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> >Well, lets deal with the "card" first. I might be a little new to this
> >activity, but I've never seen an email which quotes an anonymous source
> >having a videotape which is not really described being used as evidence
> >before. But hey, if the writer's quals are decent, I suppose you can get
> >by with anything. According to the university's home page (I love the
> >Internet), Maur?cio Carvalho de Oliveira is a Dr. of Electrical and
> >Computer Engineering. Completely germane to the discussion, I must
> >Of course, being an Engineer (I love my profession but we're a little
> >at times), Carvalho understandably omits a few pieces of information
> >could help us. An identification of the supposed tape beyond "CNN, 1991,
> >Palestine" might be helpful. So would an identification of the broadcast
> >in which the supposed duplicate image aired. I guess Engineers wouldn't
> >know that there are archives available at many colleges which could
> >the dispute in under an hour.
> >Now, the real reason why Jack is a little hot under the collar about the
> >tape playing isn't that its old. Its that anyone would DARE suggest
> >Palestinians are not virtuous oppressed people, not even possessed of a
> >postmodern moral equivalence with the "civilized West", but instead a
> >reservoir of hatred which our partner in the peace process has carefully
> >nurtured and taps when necessary. As an idle sidenote, I'd be interested
> >in a Gallup poll about Palestinian attitudes to this event, so we could
> >paid to all the speculation about who is doing the distortion.
> >Some other things from Jack's post would be amusing if this was less
> >serious. I think the contention about CNN's biased conservative coverage
> >takes the cake, though. If CNN is conservative, what do we call, say,
> >National Review or the Washington Post? Furthermore, what would liberal
> >coverage look like?
> >And while we're on the subject of media manipulation, check my last post
> >(archived: http://ndtceda.com/archives/200109/0519.html) for how to do it
> >Palestinian style.
> >Patrick McKenzie
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