[eDebate] ans Hyland (ans Duaney)

[Kevin Sanchez]

YOu know..I was going to answer point by point..but your post is laugable:

"1) "Major Confederate Officials": Who? A few bitter drunks and a boarding 
house owner? Please...."

well they were conspirators obviously, so i'm not aware that there names 
have been recorded in history.

"During the Civil War, Booth said he promised his mother that he would not 
join the Confederate army. Booth did however, undertake some action to 
support the Confederacy. According to some reports, Booth was actively 
engaged in smuggling medical supplies to Confederate forces in 1864. ... In 
October of 1864 Booth traveled to Montreal. He conducted a number of 
meetings with men associated with the Confederacy. The record is unclear as 
to what exactly transpired. By mid-November Booth checked into the National 
Hotel in Washington. Booth carried with him a letter of introduction from 
the onfederates, with whom he had conferred, addressed to Dr. William Queen 
of Charles County, Maryland. This letter led Booth to meet with Dr. Samuel 
A. Mudd in November of 1864. Booth began putting together an operation, 
purportedly with Dr. Mudd and others, to capture the President and transport 
him to Richmond. By capturing Lincoln they expected to force the federal 
government to return Confederate prisoners of war who were confined in Union 
prisons and then return them to fight Union forces. After nearly five months 
of intense planning, the attempt to capture the president took place on 
March 17, 1865. Mr. Lincoln, however, disappointed the would-be captors by 
changing his plans. Instead of visiting a hospital outside of Washington, 
President Lincoln attended a luncheon at the National Hotel. This was the 
hotel Booth used as his temporary home while in Washington, DC. Two weeks 
later, the long Union siege of the Confederate capital of Richmond, Virginia 
ended. The Union Army marched in and Confederate forces under General Lee 
moved west. One week later, on April 9, 1865 General Lee was forced by 
General Grant to surrender. These Confederate failures, along with the 
failure of Booth's capture plot, apparently gave Booth the incentive to 
carry out his final fatal plan. Five days after General Lee's surrender, 
Booth assassinated Mr. Lincoln inside Ford's Theatre." 
(http://www.nps.gov/foth/booth.htm) ... i believe Dr. Mudd (funny name) was 
later pardoned.

"In the late summer of 1864 Booth began making plans to kidnap Abraham 
Lincoln. The President would be seized, taken to Richmond, and held in 
exchange for Confederate soldiers in Union prison camps. This would be a way 
of swelling the dwindling ranks of Confederate armies. Booth began 
recruiting a gang of conspirators. Within several months, he had recruited 
Michael O'Laughlen, Samuel Arnold, Lewis Powell (Paine), John Surratt, David 
Herold, and George Atzerodt. On March 15th Booth met with the entire group 
at Gautier's Restaurant on Pennsylvania Avenue about 3 blocks from Ford's 
Theatre to discuss Lincoln's abduction. Shortly thereafter, Booth learned 
that Lincoln would be attending a play (Still Waters Run Deep) at the 
Campbell Hospital just outside Washington on March 17, 1865. It seemed like 
an ideal time to seize Lincoln in his carriage. However, at the last minute, 
Booth learned that the President was not going to attend the performance. 
Rather than attend the play, Lincoln had decided instead to speak to the 
140th Indiana Regiment and present a captured flag to the Governor of 
Indiana. After this failure, some of the conspirators began to "melt" away. 
... Booth was most likely an agent or spy for the South. During the war he 
smuggled quinine and perhaps other medicines to the rebel army. ... For a 
detailed look at the evidence of the Confederate underground and its plans 
to kidnap or assassinate Lincoln see Come Retribution: The Confederate 
Secret Service and the Assassination of Lincoln by William A. Tidwell with 
James O. Hall and David Winfred Gaddy and April '65: Confederate Covert 
Action and the American Civil War by William A. Tidwell. ... For a detailed 
look at Booth through the eyes of a conspirator (plus the very difficult 
existence at Ft. Jefferson) see Samuel Bland Arnold: Memoirs of a Lincoln 
Conspirator edited by Michael W. Kauffman. Eleanor Ruggles' Prince of 
Players: Edwin Booth also contains lots of information about JWB. Yet 
another excellent source is John Wilkes Booth: A Sister's Memoir by Asia 
Booth Clarke edited by Terry Alford." 
(http://home.att.net/~rjnorton/Lincoln72.html)

"2) "19 Soldiers Killed.": Please, try 3 townspeople (one of which was the 
poor guy at the armory). Lee's marines killed 10 of the 19 raiders, and 
captured Brown."

sorry, i mixed up the number of insurgents with the number of dead - they 
did however kill a lot more than 3 people: 
http://www.civilwarhome.com/johnbrown.htm. i think the raid on Harper's 
Ferry was successful on severel levels: obviously it didn't inspire an 
insurrection, but it did provoke much Southern paranoia as well as lead many 
Americans to question their beliefs when faced with a man so committed to 
purging the country of the injustice of slavery. funny coincidence: John 
Brown was hung on 2 december 1859, and the only people there were a group of 
militia men, one of whom was none other than John Wilkes Booth.

"3) Slaves had it good? This is INSANE."

i fucking never fucking said fucking ever that the slaves had it good, you 
absolute and shameless moron (i remain an advocate of reparations); my point 
was that there are many kinds of enslavement, and as i said, go back and 
read what good Republicans had to say about 'wage slavery' or read about 
some of the truly atrocious things going on in industrial factories and 
coal-mines in the North - i was trying to point out the often unacknowledged 
Northern hypocrisy and unlawful aggression on this matter.

again i fail to see the consistency - Brown gave his life to a cause he 
believed in, freeing the slaves, and would not sit idly by with they were 
held captive in the South. he did this mainly because he had black friends 
when he was younger and he'd gone up through the ranks of the abolitionist 
movement. he was a noble militant and an american hero, and if you really 
thought that blacks shouldn't have had to live one more day under slavery, 
why would denigrate this man's memory?      .k

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