[eDebate] let's get serious here.....

jbhdb8 at earthlink.net jbhdb8
Sun Jun 8 09:09:03 CDT 2003 

Pure fanatasy land.  Nobody who wants to hit in a real game would use a lighter bat prior to a real game, especially not someone as concerned with stats as Slamming Sammy.  A heavier bat, maybe, but a lighter bat?  Why would you get used to more bat speed than you would have in the real game?  

Josh


-------Original Message-------
From: Scott Herndon <scottaherndon at hotmail.com>
Sent: 06/08/03 02:27 AM
To: classsucks at hotmail.com, edebate at ndtceda.com
Subject: Re: Re: [eDebate] let's get serious here.....

> 
> Oh, Mr. Sosa....

He has admitted, as have many other MLB players, that he uses a corked bat 

in BP, this is not a suprise. BP is NOT the game, there are no rules to 
violate, no records to break, and if people agree that a corked bat has 
minimum impact on ball distance, then why should fans feel "cheated"
because 
the head of the bat is through the zone a little quicker? Who cares....it
is 
far more significant to the fans that Sosa cheated during official play.
If 
we (fans) are going to be angry with Sosa then lets at least focus the
anger 
on what he did that violated MLB rules, not on the fact that before the
game 
he cranked a fat dinger with a corked bat.

Look, it is BS that he used a corked bat during the game, that is why I
feel 
cheated. In the end,  I think it is a blemish on Sosa's reputation, but
one 
that will fade, even thought his explanation makes little, to no sense
(sure 
one of the best professional hitters of our time just can't remember which 

bat he was using...please). I want to believe him.  I hope I am wrong, but 

his explanation did not ring true.

Oh well, that is all I have. I need to get back to the squad room, I am 
helping the debaters cork thier pens for the NDT. We have found that 
slightly lighter pens make one quicker on the flow.

Dissapointed, but still a Sosa believer,


Go Royals!

Scott Herndon
UTD


>From: "David Vanette" <classsucks at hotmail.com>
>To: edebate at ndtceda.com
>Subject: Re: Re: [eDebate] let's get serious here.....
>Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 00:30:49 +0000
>
>I dont disagree that Sammys explaination is true, I believe it is, I dont 

>think that he is right for treating the fans to a batting exhibit that is 

>not his, its really what his cork can do. As for Sammy being a juicer, I 
>cant remember whose post it was that said Sammy would be the first in
line 
>to take the test. But hell, Mark McGwire, everyones precious homerun
hitter 
>of the last 15 years was a juicer...though it was legal, he was still on 
>that andro stuff. Sammy being a juicer has yet to be proven, and if he 
>choses not to take an invasive bloodtest thats not required, then I
believe 
>him. What I dont like is that he cheated all the fans that come to the
park 
>3 hours early in order to "give the fans a show". The fans want to see
what 
>Sammy can do not what his corked bat can do, and for that he cheated his 
>fans. I mean if itwas about putting the balls in the seats, one ESPN 
>analyst said use a rocket launcher and that would satisfy a purpose. I 
>mean, the ball is thrown down the middle at the hitter friendly wrigley 
>field to one of the best homerun hitters of our time...does he really
NEED 
>the cork to prove something in BP? I mean what, does he want to hit it to 

>Comiskey?
>
>David Vanette
>Pace University Class of 2045
>
>
>
>
>
>>From: jbhdb8 at earthlink.net
>>To: Travis Neal <travisneal at hotmail.com>,   David Vanette 
>><classsucks at hotmail.com>, edebate at ndtceda.com
>>Subject: Re: Re: [eDebate] let's get serious here.....
>>Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 16:17:25 -0400 (EDT)
>>
>>Hey,
>>
>>While I entirely agree with Travis' explination of the recent vs. 
>>historical importance of the HR, I disagree a little with the end 
>>result....I believe that Sammy was in a titanic power slump, his entire 
>>personna is based around power, and he needed a boost.  The studies 
>>basically conclude that corking only effects bat speed marginally and
does 
>>not really effect power and if anyone doesnt need a power boost its 
>>Sammy....It was likely a psychological attempt to get back his stroke.
>>
>>Baseball addict,
>>
>>Josh Hoe
>>
>>
>>-------Original Message-------
>>From: Travis Neal <travisneal at hotmail.com>
>>Sent: 06/07/03 04:28 PM
>>To: David Vanette <classsucks at hotmail.com>, edebate at ndtceda.com
>>Subject: Re: [eDebate] let's get serious here.....
>>
>> >
>> > I have to disagree.  There are some fans that want to see a quality
at 
>>bat.
>>But I am afraid that the game has changed because the fans have changed.
>>People want to see homeruns.  Look at all the new ballparks, almost all
of
>>them can be considered hitters' parks, because that is what most people
>>want
>>to see.  I think Sammy's BP explanation makes sense, not necessarily
that
>>it
>>is accurate, but it does make sense.  I also wonder about the
credibility
>>of
>>MLB when it says it has tested the bats.  Would MLB withold some corked
>>findings, because of the damage it might do to the game?
>>
>>Travis Neal
>>U. North Texas
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "David Vanette" <classsucks at hotmail.com>
>>To: <edebate at ndtceda.com>
>>Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 11:43 AM
>>Subject: Re: [eDebate] let's get serious here.....
>>
>>
>> > I agree with sammy because well, 90 bats of his were found uncorked,
>>even
>> > the ones that he used in the past. However, the one thing I dont
agree
>>with
>> > is that he used it for batting practice. No matter how you look at
it,
>>Sammy
>> > on some level cheated the fans. I mean seriously, why would a guy
like
>>him
>> > need to cork a bat to hit a homerun in BP at WRIGLEY?! I think Sammys 

>>an
>> > amazing athlete and I think that hes grea for the game. But the fans
at
>>BP
>> > are there to admire a plyers natural ability, and those who watch him
>>hit
>> > with the corked bat were cheated.
>> >
>> > -David Vanette
>> > Pace University Class of 2045
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > >From: "Raja Gaddipati" <rajdebate at lycos.com>
>> > >Reply-To: rajdebate at lycos.com
>> > >To: edebate at ndtceda.com
>> > >Subject: [eDebate] let's get serious here.....
>> > >Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 04:26:46 -0400
>> > >
>> > >we've got posts about the underline being for hooha. and the series
of
>> > >jaunts about charles woodbury the third. but seriously, the question 

>>on
>> > >america's mind is cork. did sammy use a corked bat beyond the at bat 

>>he
>>had
>> > >where his bat cracked? was he just using it because of his hitting
>>slump?
>> > >did he only use it for batting practice? i mean what kind of
bullshit
>>is
>> > >that?
>> > >
>> > >raja
>> > >
>> > >
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