[eDebate] a call for everyones views: gay marraigelegalization? now or neve
Sat Jun 28 13:58:34 CDT 2003
terry west's strawperson army....
t-bone: "your post is totally irrelevant to mine."
you're advocating the legal recognition of same-sex marraiges and arguing
that anyone who disagrees with such an advocacy is implicity violating the
first amendment's protection against the establishment of a state religion -
i'm saying that the legal recognition of marraige, whether for hetero or
homo couples, in and of itself violates the establishment clause since it
obligates the state to recognize what is essentially a religious union ...
and you failed to respond.
"Your polygamy argument is a strawfigure; it assumes an idealistic multi-way
agreement. That would be fine with me in the ideal sense, but in reality
polygamy tends to be little more than an excuse for middle aged men to force
12 and 13 year old girls into arranged marriages to other middle-aged men."
that's insulting. polygamy is a widespread tradition in many cultures and
among many religions. please retify the implicit anti-mormon bigotry in your
"Your abortion argument is also a strawfigure; allowing 13-year olds to have
an abortion has nothing to do with their "maturity." Rights are not
conferred only upon the mature."
agreed, then even the immature, regardless of their age, deserve the right
to make their own mistakes, even in regards to sexual decisions.
"As for your agenda, which you persist in pushing onto this forum, making
you one of several posters who has absolutely ruined it, I will not further
converse with someone who advocates sex with children."
my 'agenda' is no different from those who condemned heterosexist bigots for
considering homosexuality a pathology - e.g: in the 1984 bowers v. hardwick
decision, one of the concurring justices cited british common law as
defining homosexual love as 'the crime that dare not speak its name'. well
in modern times, the crime that dare not speak its name is pedophilia, or
intergenerational love; even though none of us would be here if those
labelled as children weren't having sex (and having babies), the thought of
children engaged in consensual sexual activity with adults is as unspeakable
and disgusting to modern peoples as the thought of men engaged in consensual
sexual activity was in centuries past. and often these two prejudices
overlap (see the north american man-boy love association), for instance ...
i'd remind you that the law which sentenced mr. limon to 17 years in prison
for a same-sex blowjob was a statutory rape law that forbad sexual contact
between certain age groups. the supsension of that grossly unjust sentence
resulted from the supreme court decision you were defending, mr.
scalia-west. so exactly whose 'agenda' are you refusing to dignify?
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