[eDebate] Why You must Find a Successful Method first before criticizing ...
Jeron Anthony Jackson
Thu Apr 15 02:41:28 CDT 2004
i totally agree with you here ede!
"I know I yelled (and every one in this community can COUNT the number of
times on one hand I have said anything after a debate loss). . .And it
doesn't have to be our purpose, but it should address one of the
problems of the community and take social action to address those
problems (what is so complicated, unfaiir, difficult to evaluate about
those two paragraphs speak the truth. i didn't get to actually hear about
the round between berkeley and louisville, but i did get to read some of
the other rounds against them. people were talking about how we should
imagine a better world of debate, where like kurdish peoples can be
included, or whatever. i don't see people actually practicing that. i
think louisville has proof that they actively are trying to increase black
participation. some/most teams aren't. we need to stop all this talk and
get out there are do something. we need to prove to ourselves that we can
do this, that we do want this...diversity.
i understand your kritikism of my argument about you picking on people. i
understand how frustrating it must be to continually look at people fail
to get blacks into debate and have them always at your throat about what
you do. i?m new to college debate so i haven?t seen a lot of what has been
going on, but thanks for telling me. i think y?all need to work harder. if
ede can do it, so can we! we need to go out there and read some books, ask
lousiville for help, as other diverse squads for help, and ask ourselves
for help. before we can even being kritiking ede and asking him to change,
maybe we should try and show him that we can change and that our way
works. that requires us practicing what we preach, which isn?t what most
of you have been doing. working at UDLs isn?t enough to be. that reminds
me of the rich white folks who go into the ?black? urban areas and do
charity, and then drive back home to their all white suburbs before it
gets dark. if you don?t have a diverse team with underrepresented
minorities and womyn, you aren?t doing enough. If you aren?t trying to
change the exclusionary practices of debate (whatever those are
educate us ede) you aren?t doing enough. so DO IT!!!
but ede, this doesn?t mean that you shouldn?t also be trying to see if you
can make your project better, which i don?t doubt you do. i?ve seen your
arguments evolve into some beautiful, honest, and well thought words after
almost every round/tournament. i think this is why you have been so
successful, your willingness to work hard and (somewhat) change your
arguments. this holds true for any team, but especially y?all. i think
y?all could win even more debates if you embraced some of my kritikism and
maybe others. but mine might not be right and i?m open to hearing why they
aren?t. and i don?t think you should embrace them on face cuz they might
not work for you. i respect that. but could we at least have a discussion
about those things?
i?m really sorry to hear that the KKK has threatened you. that?s no joke.
my love and support go out to you and your family. thank you for standing
up publicly against that HORRIBLE organization of hate, white supremacy,
and terrorism. this just proves that we need to overcome racism in our
society and that it in fact still exist and is something that blacks
experience on a regular basis.
thanks for acknowledging my post and giving me a lot of positive feedback.
but i was wondering if you could do a little more when you have time.
since i haven?t debated your team before and really want to understand
your project i would love it if you could answers the questioned i asked
you in my last post(s):
--?I don?t understand what non-competitive forum looks like
explain. and where is the proof that your project will get us there? what
will the ballot mean in a non-competitive forum? how do other teams create
--?when can we start to talk about real policies? when i can talk about how
tnws are oppressive to me and my indigenous and european brothers and
sisters? when can I talk about how the president of u.s. might sign a bill
that could cause a nuclear war, heterosexism, or environmental
--?could you please tell the community what specifically is exclusionary
about ?traditional?/policy debate. most people don?t know what the problem
is, and thus can?t being to fix it.?
--?i would love to have conferences about race and i would one day LOVE to
be published in a journal. but a journal is not a very interactive forum
were people can EXCHANGE ideas. and not everyone can (afford to) go to a
conference; we have a hard enough time going to debate tournaments. so i
think your alternative forums for discussion are not good enough. edebate
is a pretty good place for the ENTIRE community to communicate and learn.
almost all of the debaters have internet access and we can answer each
other?s questions, kritik each other, love each other, 24/7. conferences
end, journal articles end, debate rounds end. edebate is never ending
(unless kerpen goes to jail). the internet transcends (most) borders. who
cares about getting promoted? why can?t you send your 130+ students a link
to edebate? why can?t we all ban together and share resources? i don?t
understand how debating in round, having a conference, and writing for a
journal will get you all of those things either. and even if they do, it?s
not the only/best way to do so.?
thanks for the awakening,
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