[eDebate] West on MPJ

[Terry West]

No, Jason, "subconscious influences" does not mean the same thing as
cheating.  Cheating is a conscious activity.  You can disbelieve the
existence of the list and its relevance.  You're entitled to that
opinion.  Mine is the opposite.  

". . .the people that make this activity go by working hard to judge
debate. . ."  Hey, Jason, I was one of those people.  So are all those
people who have been chased out of the activity.

Jason, I wasn't the one who started this thread; it was the "how to
defeat Parli" issue that started it.  If everything is going fine, we
don't need to worry about Parli.  That's the only point.

Terry

>>> "jason russell" <jasonlrussell at excite.com> 6/11/2004 10:57:43 AM
>>>

I call bullshit on this one. First, I've heard a lot about this list,
but have never actually seen it. This sounds like something that people
make up in order to justify their tough losses to talented teams.
Second, the "subconscious influences" you are talking about are a more
lightly worded term for cheating. Call a spade a spade. Third, I don't
know many judges that judge to impress the teams that they judge to
continue to get preferred. Those that do are likely the weaker judges
that are unlikely to get preferred by big schools or smalls schools. And
their efforts are probably pretty thinly veiled. Most judges I know get
in there, do tough work round after round, and try their best to be fair
to every participant, list/non-list, big/small, etc, etc. 

I do respect you. Thanks for doing the same. But give the people in the
activity some credit. You are basically bad mouthing the people that
make this activity go by working hard to judge debate week after week.
And I think that's pretty sad.

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