From imthel Mon Jan 31 23:37:12 2005 From: imthel (LITTLE LAWSON) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 23:37:12 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] HEY ISRAEL PASTRANA - THE HEART DRAWS NEAR, In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Israel Pastrana STEP UP TO THE PLATE AND COME ON OUT TO THE HEART OF AMERICA TOURNEY OR GO BACK TO THE BENCH, WHILE THE PERSON WHO CARRIES YOU-- YOU KNOW "JASON DERBY" KEEPS PLAYING THE GAME, DON'T LET THE SPLINTERS GET YOU DOWN NOW THEIR WILL BE MORE AFTER PHI RHO PI.. LAWSON THE BLUE DEVILS P.S. I COULD DO PARLI TOO I JUST HAVE TO BE ABLE TO PAT MY HEAD AND RUB MY TUMMY OR IS THAT TO FAST FOR YOU ISREAL. From scottaherndon Wed Jan 26 20:53:10 2005 From: scottaherndon (Scott Herndon) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:53:10 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] Witchita DM Message-ID: Hey could one of you drop me a line, I need a cite. herndon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Gordon Gordon Stables, Ph.D. Director of Debate Annenberg School for Communication University of Southern California Office: 213 740 2759 Fax: 213 740 3913 www.usctrojandebate.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20041231/6a5996a6/attachment.htm From hardfeelings Sat Jan 1 12:04:03 2005 From: hardfeelings (joseph carver) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 10:04:03 -0800 Subject: [eDebate] prefs for CSUF? Message-ID: is anyone else having trouble getting on the brushcke site for entering prefs? the page is not allowing me to log in. thanks. joe carver whitman debate -- "What would love be without wishful thinking" Wilco Listen in to HARD FEELINGS, Tuesdays at 11 a.m. on KWCW http://www.hardfeelings.net From vothb Sat Jan 1 13:39:52 2005 From: vothb (Ben Voth) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 14:39:52 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Miami Debate assistantships Message-ID: MIAMI DEBATE GRADUATE ASSISTANTSHIP Miami University's debate program is seeking applicants for its 2005-2006 program. Debate assistantships are part of an overall Communication department masters degree lasting two years. The assistantship provides a substantial monthly stipend along with free tuition. An additional summer stipend is available for students pursuing studies during summer periods. Expectations of the assistantship include teaching a public speaking course each semester. Debate assistants have a one course reduction for each semester they coach. Applications need to be received by March 22, 2005. Applications need to be made both to the Miami graduate school and the Miami Communication department. The Graduate school application can be completed online (http://www.miami.muohio.edu/admission/apply/graduate/index.cfm). The application to the communication department requires three letters of recommendation, a GRE score, undergraduate transcripts, and other letters of purpose. The graduate director for Miami Communication is Ann Frymier (FRYMIEAB at po.muohio.edu). You can also contact the Director of Forensics, Ben Voth (voth at muohio) and ADOF of Debate Steve Mancuso (spmancuso at aol.com). Miami debate has an excellent history of educationally developing coaches and competitive success. Our graduates often move on to top doctoral programs and/or coach and direct nationally competitive programs in debate. Our teams have regularly qualified for the National Debate Tournament and qualified for the elimination rounds in 2003 and 2004. We have an active on-campus debate program which promotes a postive university view toward debate. We look forward to receiving your application. Feel free to talk to our coaches at tournaments for further information as well. submitted by Ben Voth, DOF for Miami -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 1920 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20050101/37e9b97c/attachment.bin From mattedebate Sat Jan 1 17:26:40 2005 From: mattedebate (Matt Cormack) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 15:26:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [eDebate] prefs for CSUF? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050101232640.84196.qmail@web60607.mail.yahoo.com> same here, none of the links work --- joseph carver wrote: > is anyone else having trouble getting on the > brushcke site for > entering prefs? the page is not allowing me to log > in. > thanks. > joe carver > whitman debate > > -- > "What would love be without wishful thinking" > Wilco > Listen in to HARD FEELINGS, Tuesdays at 11 a.m. on > KWCW > http://www.hardfeelings.net > > _______________________________________________ > eDebate mailing list > eDebate at ndtceda.com > To subscribe, UNSUBSCRIBE, and see the subscriber > list, go here: > http://ndtceda.com/mailman/listinfo/edebate > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From hansonjb Sat Jan 1 20:45:46 2005 From: hansonjb (Jim Hanson) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 18:45:46 -0800 Subject: [eDebate] prefs for CSUF? References: <20050101232640.84196.qmail@web60607.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001a01c4f076$735712f0$79c6020a@whitman.edu> matt and others type in www.debateresults.com when the real address pops up (and the page shows) remove all of the text after .aspx in the address. it will then work jim :) hansonjb at whitman.edu ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Cormack" To: "joseph carver" ; Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 3:26 PM Subject: Re: [eDebate] prefs for CSUF? same here, none of the links work --- joseph carver wrote: > is anyone else having trouble getting on the > brushcke site for > entering prefs? the page is not allowing me to log > in. > thanks. > joe carver > whitman debate > > -- > "What would love be without wishful thinking" > Wilco > Listen in to HARD FEELINGS, Tuesdays at 11 a.m. on > KWCW > http://www.hardfeelings.net > > _______________________________________________ > eDebate mailing list > eDebate at ndtceda.com > To subscribe, UNSUBSCRIBE, and see the subscriber > list, go here: > http://ndtceda.com/mailman/listinfo/edebate > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail _______________________________________________ eDebate mailing list eDebate at ndtceda.com To subscribe, UNSUBSCRIBE, and see the subscriber list, go here: http://ndtceda.com/mailman/listinfo/edebate From berchnorto Sun Jan 2 09:24:12 2005 From: berchnorto (NEIL BERCH) Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 10:24:12 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Navy invite? Message-ID: Did I miss it? --Neil Berch West Virginia University -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20050102/c0a1560c/attachment.htm From kendog_3 Sun Jan 2 09:44:49 2005 From: kendog_3 (kenny hanson) Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 15:44:49 +0000 Subject: [eDebate] Topic Paper In-Reply-To: <001a01c4f076$735712f0$79c6020a@whitman.edu> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20050102/12148d8b/attachment.htm From cmh0065 Sun Jan 2 18:26:39 2005 From: cmh0065 (cmh0065 at unt.edu) Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 18:26:39 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] OFFICIAL UNT POKER/XBOX TOURNEY INFO Message-ID: <1104711999.41d8913fc8380@eaglemail.unt.edu> To whom it may concern: There will be both an official poker tournament and xbox/halo2 tournament. Those interested in attending the poker tournament should give Casey Kelly @ ckelly at unt.edu an email. Those interested in the Halo 2 tourney should drop me an email @ cmh0065 at unt.edu. Now the info: Poker When: Wednesday Night, January 5th Where: One of the suites to be decided How Much: $10.00 buy in What kind: Texas Hold'em Payouts: ? (Also to be had will be unofficial omaha and hold'em games when there are enough people to get it going on Monday, Tuesday, and Thursday night in suites. Once again, ask Casey.) Halo 2 When: Lunch Breaks and Thursday during elims as necessary Where: Language Building rooms with projectors (oh yeah, i said projectors) How Much: $7.00 buy in What kind: SLAYER Payouts: To be decided on entrees (Also to be had, Madden games as well as NCAA 2k5 games. Maybe even some Top Spin, who knows?) Thanks, Cade Hamilton (cmh0065 at unt.edu) UNT DEBATE From brian01gillis Mon Jan 3 02:05:13 2005 From: brian01gillis (Brian Gillis) Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 03:05:13 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] John Carroll FG Message-ID: Matt or Tasha: Could one or both of you get back to me at your earliest convenience. Thanks in advance. From overbey Mon Jan 3 09:47:52 2005 From: overbey (Daniel Overbey) Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 10:47:52 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Navy Hotel/ Invite coming later today Message-ID: Hello all, The Navy invite will be out later today (as soon as I hear from the hotel). The dates are Friday 28th January to Sunday the 30th. The hotel has changed this year, for the better, as the rate is $9 per room per night less expensive, and the hotel has just been renovated. The hotel also includes "complimentary internet access" to all guests. The hotel is the Radisson Hotel Annapolis: 210 Holiday Court, Annapolis Maryland 21401, US Telephone: (410) 224-3150 Please make your reservations soon. I will have the full invite out shortly, Sorry for the delays, Dan From overbey Mon Jan 3 10:41:05 2005 From: overbey (Daniel Overbey) Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 11:41:05 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] 47th Annual Naval Academy Debate Tournament Invitation Message-ID: 3 January 2005 Dear Colleague, You are cordially invited to enter the Forty-seventh Annual United States Naval Academy Debate Tournament. The USNA tournament will take place in historic Annapolis, Maryland on January 28- 30, 2005. Join us for a weekend of exceptional team policy debate competition between some of the nation?s premier forensic programs. The USNA tournament will utilize the 2004-2005 national debate topic: Resolved: the United States federal government should establish an energy policy requiring a substantial reduction in the total non-governmental consumption of fossil fuels in the United States. The USNA tournament will include Varsity, Junior Varsity and Novice level competition and feature six preliminary rounds of debate followed by elimination rounds.* All debates will use the 9-3-6 minute time format. Teams will receive 10 minutes of preparation time during each debate. The deadline for entering the USNA tournament is January 15, 2005. The registration fee is $45.00 for each participant (coaches, debaters and observers). Please make checks payable to the ?Midshipmen Welfare Fund?. Each college or university debate program entering the USNA tournament must provide a qualified critic to judge three preliminary rounds of competition for each team it enters in this tournament. Entering programs are further required to provide a critic to judge up to two break rounds of debate beyond the elimination of their teams from the tournament. In the event your program cannot fulfill these requirements, a very limited number of ?for-hire? critics will be available at $125 per two-person team. Please let us know in advance if you will need to hire judges. Trophies will be awarded to all teams advancing to the quarter final round. Trophies will also be awarded to the top ten individual speakers in each division of debate. The John Jay Pierpont Trophy, an eighteenth-century silver cup, will be presented to the college or university forensic program that sponsors the winning the Varsity-level-debate-team. The Pierpont Trophy may be displayed at the victorious college or university for one calendar year. Tournament accommodations are available at the Radisson Hotel Annapolis located at 210 Holiday Court, Annapolis, Maryland 21401 telephone (410) 224-3150 website: www.radisson.com. A special double room rate of $70.00 per night plus tax is available. The Radisson has guaranteed room rate and availability for tournament participants until January 15th. After January 15th, the Radisson will only offer rooms subject to availability and only at the going rate. Tournament registration and coaches? meetings will be held at the Radisson Hotel Annapolis. Contact the Radisson Hotel Annapolis directly to arrange accommodations. When making reservations request the ?USNA Debate Tournament? room rate. To ensure a memorable and pleasant experience at the USNA debate tournament please inform your participants of the following: 1. The tournament will be conducted in academic facilities that will be used for classes shortly after the conclusion of the event. To help keep the rooms clean, please dispose of trash in appropriate receptacles. 2. There is absolutely no smoking in any Naval Academy building. Smoking areas are located outside all USNA buildings. Please dispose of smoking materials responsibly. 3. Tournament participants are welcome to visit the Officers and Faculty Club (O&F Club) aboard the Naval Academy. When visiting the O&F Club, be aware that while casual dress is permitted, athletic clothing, jeans or t-shirts are inappropriate attire. The O&F Club serves lunch daily from 11:00 AM until 2:00 PM. Dinner is served Tuesday through Friday from 5:00 until 9:00 PM. A large brunch is served on Sunday from 10:00 AM until 2:00 PM. Reservations are always recommended. You may direct questions or reservation requests to (410) 293-2611 4. The Fifteen-Minute Forfeit rule will be in effect. If a team is not ready to debate 15 minutes after the announced start time of a debate they forfeit the round. All judges are asked to finish coaching their team 5 minutes before round start time and get to the rounds they are judging. Judges holding up the tournament who are fifteen minutes late to their rounds will cause the top team of the school they are representing to forfeit a debate. It is very important that this tournament run on time, please help us in this regard. 5. As you register, please be aware that we need security information for each vehicle entering the Naval Academy including: Make, Model, License plate, Driver name, and Driver?s license number. If you have any questions, please contact me at 410.293.6853. Entry is through the Bruschke system (preferred) or through email and those emails should be addressed to overbey at usna.edu . Sincerely, Daniel Overbey Keith Gibeling Jonathan Smith Director of Debate Officer Representative Tournament Logistics United States Naval Academy * The USNA Debate Tournament will utilize the following American Debate Association (ADA) definitions for Novice and Junior Varsity Debaters. Half of competing teams will clear, up to a maximum of 16 per division, as we have room constraints on Sunday evening. Naval Academy Debate Tournament Tournament Schedule January 27-30, 2005 Thursday, January 27 8:30 - 10:00 PM: Early registration, Radisson Hotel Annapolis Friday, January 28 12:00 - 3:00 PM Registration * Location to be announced 3:30 PM General Meeting - Mahan Auditorium 4:00 PM Round I 6:15 PM Round II 10:00 PM Coaches Reception - Sheraton Barcelo Annapolis Hotel Saturday, January 29 7:30 AM Continental Breakfast - Mahan Hall 8:00 AM Parings Distributed 8:30 AM Round III 10:45 AM Round IV 1:00 PM Luncheon - Mahan Hall 2:00 PM Round V 4:15 PM Round VI 7:30 PM USNA Tournament Banquet - King Hall Sunday, January 30 7:30 AM Continental Breakfast - Mahan Hall 7:45 AM Parings Distributed 8:00 AM Elimination Rounds Begin From utdallasdebate Mon Jan 3 11:41:47 2005 From: utdallasdebate (UTD Debate) Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 11:41:47 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] UTD Entry Closing & Needs Judging Message-ID: Hi All, We at UTD need to get a final tally on total entries (debaters, judges, observers, etc) so we can place final catering orders. Please finalize your entry via the Bruschke system. Please do so tonight. Also, we still need judging. Please do NOT drop judges from your entry. Please volunteer to judge an extra round or two if you will be attending. We will pay $20 cash for extra rounds. We will ask again at registration on Friday night. If you know a freelance judge who is available, please encourage her/him to contact us. Latest Weather Forecast: Sat Jan 08 Few Showers 69?/51? 30 % Sun Jan 09 Partly Cloudy 67?/58? 10 % Mon Jan 10 Cloudy 75?/57? 20 % See y'all soon, Raoul _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement From echoifas Mon Jan 3 13:38:21 2005 From: echoifas (E Choi) Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 14:38:21 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] $$ Harvard Debate Tournament Seeks Judges $$ Message-ID: Hi: It's that time of year: when I send out a call for judges for the Harvard High School Tournament. This year it's February 19-21 (Sat-Monday), 2005 (which means no conflicts with Valentine's Day - an excuse many of you have used in the past). We will pay competitive rates for cross ex judges, commensurate with experience and quality. Limited arrangements for housing may be made for high quality judges who commit to extended judging obligations, at Dallas' discretion. The schedule can be found at: http://www.harvard-debate.org/view_schedule.aspx. Please email me at harvardtournament at gmail.com (NOT THIS ADDRESS) if you are interested, and feel free to forward this info to your heart's content. Thanks, Eun Young Choi Harvard Debate Lackey for Life. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From cmh0065 Mon Jan 3 14:29:57 2005 From: cmh0065 (cmh0065 at unt.edu) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 14:29:57 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] Official Unofficial UNT Poker/Xbox Tourney* Message-ID: <1104784197.41d9ab458647c@eaglemail.unt.edu> Yeah, its the official UNOFFICIAL tournaments....we knew that =) ~Cade Hamilton UNT DEBATE From vandy.debate Mon Jan 3 16:07:34 2005 From: vandy.debate (M L Sandoz) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 22:07:34 GMT Subject: [eDebate] Vanderbilt Tournament Message-ID: <20050103.140815.602.116642@webmail05.lax.untd.com> Hotel: Sheraton-Nashville Downtown, rate $89.00, 1-800-447-9825 Entries through debateresults.com Round 1 starts at 6:00 Friday, February 11. Dinner will be served between rounds 1 & 2. Four rounds on Saturday. Elims on Sunday. M. L. Sandoz Vanderbilt University Director of Debate 615-322-3784 (O), 615-322-2307 (O) 615-343-7918 (F), 615-673-7340 (H) ________________________________________________________________ Juno Gift Certificates Give the gift of Internet access this holiday season. http://www.juno.com/give From madisonlaird Tue Jan 4 01:03:38 2005 From: madisonlaird (Madison Laird) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 23:03:38 -0800 Subject: [eDebate] A new controversy in the legislative agenda... Message-ID: <200501040703.j0473dK24729@hsdebate.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: multipart/alternative Size: 2431 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20050103/5a7dd1e8/attachment.bin From JennyHeidt Tue Jan 4 07:45:12 2005 From: JennyHeidt (Jenny Heidt) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 08:45:12 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] West Georgia Notes Message-ID: 1) Enter ASAP. The tournament is getting full. 2) Please drop teams as early as possible. We had some really last minute drops last year that meant that others did not have time to change travel plans. Last minute stuff happens but some of them could have been planned earlier. 3) Hired judges. E-mail me at westgatab at hotmail.com if interested. 4) Pref instructions will be posted early next week. Thanks! Jenny Heidt Westminster From let_the_american_empire_burn Tue Jan 4 10:55:31 2005 From: let_the_american_empire_burn (Kevin Sanchez) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 10:55:31 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] 'credible and consistent evidence that both men have been SAVAGELY TORTURED ... Message-ID: at the hands of the United States'. ______________ http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,1382033,00.html ______________ Guantanamo Briton 'in handcuff torture' David Rose on the allegation that a British detainee was suspended by his wrists as punishment for reciting the Koran while in US military custody 2 January 2005 / The Observer A British detainee at Guantanamo Bay has told his lawyer he was tortured using the 'strappado', a technique common in Latin American dictatorships in which a prisoner is left suspended from a bar with handcuffs until they cut deeply into his wrists. The reason, the prisoner says, was that he was caught reciting the Koran at a time when talking was banned. He says he has also been repeatedly shaved against his will. In one such incident, a guard told him: 'This is the part that really gets to you Muslims, isn't it?' The strappado allegation was one among many made about treatment at both Guantanamo and the US base at Bagram in Afghanistan made to the British lawyer Clive Stafford Smith when he visited his clients Moazzam Begg and Richard Belmar at the Cuban prison six weeks ago, having tried for the previous 14 months to obtain the necessary security clearance. But it is clear the disturbing claim is only the tip of the iceberg. Under the rules the United States military has imposed for defence lawyers who visit Guantanamo, Stafford Smith has not been allowed to keep his notes of meetings with prisoners, and will not be able to read them again until they have been examined and de-classified by a government censor. He cannot disclose in public anything the men have told him until it too has been been de-classified, on pain of likely imprisonment in the US. Stafford Smith has drawn up a 30-page report on the tortures which Begg and Belmar say they have endured, and sent it as an annexe with a letter to the Prime Minister which Downing Street received shortly before Christmas. For the time being - possibly forever - the report cannot be published, because the Americans claim that the torture allegations amount to descriptions of classified interrogation methods. However, Stafford Smith's letter to Tony Blair - which has been declassified - says that on his visit to the Guantanamo prisoners, he heard 'credible and consistent evidence that both men have been savagely tortured at the hands of the United States' with Begg having suffered not only physical but 'sexual abuse' which has had 'mental health consequences'. Thousands of documents obtained last month under the US Freedom of Information Act by the American Civil Liberties Union support the claims of torture at Guantanamo, which has apparently continued long after the publication last April of photographs of detainees being abused at the US-run Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq. They include memos and emails to superiors by FBI and Defense Intelligence Agency officers, who say they were appalled by the methods being used by the young military interrogators at Guantanamo. According to the memos, the abuse was 'systematic', with frequent beatings, chokings, and sleep deprivation for days on end. Religious humiliation was also routine, with one agent reporting a case in which a prisoner was wrapped in an Israeli flag. 'On a couple of occasions I entered interview rooms to find a detainee chained hand and foot in a foetal position to the floor, with no chair, food or water,' an anonymous FBI agent wrote on 2 August. 'Most times they had urinated or defecated on themselves, and had been left there for 18 to 24 hours or more.' Reports of identical treatment were first published by The Observer last March, in interviews with three British detainees who had been released - Shafiq Rasul, Asif Iqbal and Rhuhel Ahmed. They were then strenuously denied by the Pentagon. But according to another FBI memo dated 10 May, when an agent asked Guantanamo's former commander, Major General Geoffrey Miller, about techniques the FBI regarded as illegal, he was told that the interrogators 'had their marching orders from the Sec[retary] Def[ense]', Donald Rumsfeld. General Miller told the US Congress under oath that although Rumsfeld had authorised the use of dogs to intimidate prisoners at Guantanamo, this had never happened. According to the memos, this was inaccurate. Stafford Smith asks Blair in his letter 'to approach the plight of my clients with renewed vigour'. Asked by The Observer whether he planned to do this last week, a Downing Street spokesman declined to comment. In a second letter, to the Foreign Office minister Baroness Symons, Stafford Smith suggests that Britain's complicity in abusive techniques at both Guantanamo and Afghanistan, where Begg and Belmar were held before being taken to Cuba, is wider than previously thought. Begg and Belmar, he writes, were both questioned by an MI5 officer who gave his name as 'Andrew', while they were being abused by Americans both in Afghanistan and Guantanamo. According to the letter, 'he was the one who told Mr Begg that the more Mr Begg (falsely) said he was guilty of something, the quicker he would get home. Andrew was also the one who said that he would not comply with both of my clients' requests for consular notification, as well as Mr Begg's requests to learn whether his pregnant wife, Sally, and their three children were safe in Pakistan.' Stafford Smith is asking for Andrew's full name and access to him, to assist his client's defence. Having fled Afghanistan where he had been trying to set up a school before the war against the Taliban began in October 2001, Begg was abducted by American agents from the house the family was renting in Islamabad. Belmar was captured after attending a religious school for a few weeks before the 11 September terrorist attacks. An FBI source who personally questioned him before he was sent to Guantanamo has told The Observer he recommended his immediate release because he had 'no involvement' with terrorism, but was overruled by MI5. Stafford Smith says in his letter to Baroness Symons that Begg made a false written confession after being tortured in February 2003, when two agents who had abused him at Bagram - where Begg witnessed the deaths of two prisoners officially classed as homicide - came to Guantanamo. But neither he nor Stafford Smith have been allowed to see this statement, which apparently forms the main grounds for his continued incarceration. Stafford Smith asks the Foreign Office for help in obtaining a copy, and asks: 'What kind of civilised legal system does not allow the suspect to see his own statements? How can the prisoner's statement be said to be classified information when, if it were true, the prisoner would already know it?' Last night the Foreign Office said 'we are trying to do our utmost' for the four British detainees while 'we take every allegation of torture seriously'. The request for information about the MI5 man would be considered. Azmatt Begg, Moazzam's father, said he had given up hope the British government would intervene in a meaningful way to help his son. 'They are not protecting their own citizens, but merely falling in with whatever the Americans want to do.' _________________________________________________________________ From timmonsa Tue Jan 4 12:22:25 2005 From: timmonsa (Timmons, Aaron) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:22:25 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] Colleyville Heritage Tournaments seeks judges - Jan 14th and 15th Message-ID: <28DE96D400B8264EA346D596641B319D249280@darwin.greenhill.org> Colleyville Heritage High School is hosting their annual TFA and TOC qualifier on January 14th and 15th, 2005 and is seeking to hire a few qualified judges. Judges may be on a round by round basis or by contract if you can be there for the entire time. The pay is good, housing can be provided and the hospitality is excellent. Please contact Aaron Timmons at timmonsa at greenhill.org if you are interested. From bms37 Tue Jan 4 12:17:37 2005 From: bms37 (Brian Simmonds) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 13:17:37 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Fullerton Octas Message-ID: <134ab531349620.1349620134ab53@law.georgetown.edu> Open Octafinals - all rounds flip for sides 1. Harvard KT v. George Washington LW 2. Michigan State HV v. Kansas CS 3. Berkeley NW (neg) v. George Mason BH 4. Texas AM v. Michigan State bH 5. Northwestern BM v. CSU-Long Beach KP 6. Berkeley RS (aff) v. Whitman SS 7. Wake Forest CH v. Texas HJ 8. Emory AP v. Harvard LM JV Finals Denver KM v. CSU Northridge LM Novice Finals Los Angeles City College MM v. Bakersfield College CL Open doubles, JV/Novice semis, and speakers were last night, but I don't have them with me. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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George Washington LW, 3-0 (Vats, Waldinger, McCartney) Kansas CS (neg) def. Michigan State HV, 3-0 (Perkins, Weiner, Lupo) Berkeley NW (neg) def. George Mason BH, 3-0 (Strauss, Gaddipati, Samuels) Texas AM (neg) def. Michigan State BH, 3-0 (Blank, Stables, Carver) CSU-Long Beach KP (neg) def. Northwestern BM, 2-1 (Albiniak*, Matheson, Arnett) Berkeley RS (aff) def. Whitman SS, 2-1 (Feldman, Ceren*, A. Symonds) Wake Forest CH (neg) def. Texas HJ, 3-0 (A. Garen, Stahl, Olney) Emory AP (neg) def. Harvard LM, 2-1 (Turner, Lacy*, Eber) Quarters Harvard KT v. Emory AP Kansas CS v. Wake CH Berkeley NW will advance over Berkeley RS Texas AM v. CSU-Long Beach KP -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: bms37.384DEFANGED-vcf Type: application/defanged Size: 200 bytes Desc: Card for Brian Simmonds Url : http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20050104/bcb048a8/attachment.bin From kjayotte Tue Jan 4 16:44:05 2005 From: kjayotte (Kevin J. Ayotte) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 14:44:05 -0800 Subject: [eDebate] External funding sources for college debate programs Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050104143543.01e7fb78@zimmer.csufresno.edu> California State University, Fresno, is in the process of revising its forensics program and part of our plan is to pursue external funding (grants, community sponsors, etc.) to augment or perhaps replace university funding. Although I have heard that some programs receive moneys in this fashion, I am unaware of any specific programs. If your debate program receives funding in part from sources external to your university, I would appreciate any suggestions or experiences you have had with various entities in securing funds for collegiate forensics. We know of some local avenues to pursue, but we are hoping to benefit from the experience of programs who have built successful relationships with local or national organizations interested in advancing college debate. Thank you for the help! Kevin Kevin J. Ayotte, Ph.D. Department of Communication California State University, Fresno 5201 N. Maple Avenue, M/S SA46 Fresno, CA 93740-8027 Office Phone: (559) 278-4086 Email: kjayotte at csufresno.edu Fax: (559) 278-4113 From schuelbe Tue Jan 4 17:16:23 2005 From: schuelbe (schuelbe at whitman.edu) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 15:16:23 -0800 Subject: [eDebate] free printer & paper Message-ID: <1104880583.41db23c7bf2cb@www.whitman.edu> Whitman has a Samsung ML1710 Laser printer that we are not going to be able to take back with us from the Fullerton tournament. It sometimes jams, but for the most part it is very functional. We'd of course rather give it away than just leave it here. It comes with a traveling case and if you want, a copy box full of printer paper. We're staying at the campus Marriot (714-738-7800). Joe Carver's room number is 435. Call there if you are interested. Thanks everyone for a great tournament so far, Beth Schueler -------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through Whitman College Webmail 3.1 From cpwiii Tue Jan 4 23:23:35 2005 From: cpwiii (charles woodbury) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 23:23:35 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] (no subject) Message-ID: Any Fullerton results??? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Chime From casonye2 Tue Jan 4 23:35:01 2005 From: casonye2 (casonye2 at uiuc.edu) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 23:35:01 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] Someone from of Berkeley Message-ID: <49335b72.b9bc3def.81a0900@expms3.cites.uiuc.edu> I'm still looking for someone from Berkeley to contact me at casonye2 at uiuc.edu , I have a cite request, thanks in advance. Chime From FijiPapabear Wed Jan 5 11:16:31 2005 From: FijiPapabear (FijiPapabear at aol.com) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 12:16:31 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Oklahoma=Boise State Jason Russell and Sooner fans this one is for you! Message-ID: <4D30114F.611635C4.181E2C32@aol.com> And now, the end is near; And Oklahoma faced the final curtain. Jason Russell, I'll say it clear, I'll state my case, of which I'm certain. The Sooners lived a life that was full. They've traveled each and ev'ry highway; But more, much more than this, They choked on it the Boise State way. Regrets, Matt Leinhart had a few; But then again, too few to mention. He did what he had to do And saw it through without exemption. Pete Carrol planned each charted course; Each careful step along the byway, But more, much more than this, He did it his way. Yes, there were times, Jason knew When I bit off more than I could chew. But through it all, when there was doubt, The Trojans ate him up and spit him out. I faced it all and I stood tall; And did it my way. Jason Russell has loved, laughed and cried. He's had his fill; his share of losing. And now, as tears subside, I find it all so amusing. To think he said all that; And may I say - not in a shy way, "No, oh no not me, I did it my way". For what is a man, what has he got? If not himself, then he has naught. To say the things he truly feels; And not the words of one who kneels. The record shows I took his email blows - And USC blew out Oklahoma in a big way! ___________________________________________________________ This Parody would have been better if I were talented, but I was busy licking the sweet sweet tears of my Scott Tenorman. Although I did not grind Jason's parents into Chilli and make him eat it, the Trojans ground up Bob Stoops defense and made the Sooner nation eat it. Make it a 12 Pack of Killians Ice Cold when I see you, and if your lucky I will let you have one in the fourth quarther like Pete Carroll let the Sooners have one. Alex Acosta University of Miami One 12 pack the richer. From jasonlrussell Wed Jan 5 12:21:03 2005 From: jasonlrussell (jason russell) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 13:21:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: [eDebate] Congrats USC Fans Message-ID: <20050105182103.E04F01E414@xprdmailfe24.nwk.excite.com> Obviously, I am eating crow on the Orange Bowl. This USC team was awesome on the biggest stage possible in college football. Their fans deserve to be very proud. This, of course, doesn't apply to random naysayers, haters, and bet sharks like Acosta. This completely unclassy and quite frankly weak attempt at clowning is simply embarassing to him. USC's performance spoke for itself; don't act like your bet was particularly risky for you and you deserve a public victory dance. You'll get your 12 pack, but no number of Killian's will teach you any of the lessons you need in winning gracefully. Don't cry for me. OU will be back next year, as good as ever, and if you ask any Sooner fan, we'll take a trip back to that national title game every year EVEN IF we were to lose it. We'll be back before you know it. I'm shocked today. But don't think for even a second that this loss shakes my confidence in our coaches or our players. Sooner pride forever. Russell _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! From FijiPapabear Wed Jan 5 13:27:25 2005 From: FijiPapabear (FijiPapabear at aol.com) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 14:27:25 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] mick souders Message-ID: <7132C35A.4E55E673.181E2C32@aol.com> I need you the way a fat kid needs cake. Alex Acosta U From lsd041 Wed Jan 5 15:27:40 2005 From: lsd041 (Scott Deatherage) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 15:27:40 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] Northwestern Invite Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20050105152734.01cb3fc8@lulu.it.northwestern.edu> Below is the invitation for the Northwestern Tournament. For some reason, I am having trouble getting it posted to debateresults.com. Make hotel reservations soon; the block expires on Friday, January 14. The invitation is too large to fit on Bruschke's site, so read this one and save it for future reference. Hope to see you in February. Best. SD December 15, 2004 Greetings Directors, Coaches, Judges, Students, and Friends. This serves as invitation to the 48th Annual Owen L. Coon Memorial Debates, to be held on the Evanston Campus of Northwestern University, February 5-7, 2005. This year marks our return to Evanston after a one year hiatus to Northwestern?s Chicago campus. We do realize that the Chicago experiment was warmly received, and we may consider a return to that model in future years. However, we will play host to the 60th Annual National Debate Tournament in 2006, and intend to host that tournament from Evanston. That N.D.T. will fall at the conclusion of our spring break; accordingly, we will be able to host the N.D.T. in a single classroom building, and will have access to first rate conference facility to serve as tournament headquarters. Given this plan, it is our intention to return to Evanston for the upcoming Owen L. Coon principally because the newly named Hotel Orrington has been completely remodeled, their staff in all departments ? reservations, front desk, sales, catering, and other relevant areas ? is completely new. I don?t want to go through the ?06 N.D.T. as their first experience with a college tournament, hence the decision to return to Evanston for 2005. Tournament Hotel: The Hotel Orrington, no longer an Omni property, but rather independently owned, is the nicest hotel on the North Shore (probably too nice for a debate tournament, but, hey, they signed the contract). The newly completed renovation makes the hotel competitive with the very nicest properties in Chicagoland. It offers a complete state of the art business facility, complete with wireless high speed internet in all public spaces, COMPLEMENTARY high speed internet connections in all sleeping rooms (yes, complementary), two completely renovated restaurant and bars, three high speed elevators, and a redesigned open space lobby area, and a full workout facility complete with spa. All public space in the new Hotel Orrington is non-smoking. Some sleeping rooms have been set aside for guests who smoke; accordingly, it is important to be specific to your needs when making sleeping room reservations. Rooms are available at a rate of $109 per night, plus appropriate city taxes. The $109 dollar rate is good for up to four persons per room. You can reach the hotel directly to reserve rooms: (847)-866-8700. Or register on line: https://reservations.ihotelier.com/crs/g_reservation.cfm?groupID=8302&hotelID=3538 You will need to secure your reservation with a major credit card. Be sure to mention to the reservation clerk that you are associated with the Owen L. Coon Debates. Reservations must be made no later than Friday, January 14 to secure the tournament rate. A substantial number of preset debates will be held at the Hotel Orrington on Saturday, February 5, and elimination debates will be held there on Monday, February 7. Accordingly, we strongly encourage you to choose the Hotel Orrington. Should you have difficulty with Reservations, please contact Fred Wheeler, our primary contact for Reservations and Room Assignments. You can reach Fred at fredw at hotelorrington.com or (847)-556-7921. Should you need to cancel a reservation, the Hotel Orrington asks that you do so no less than 48 hours in advance of your scheduled arrival, or 3:00 p.m. on Wednesday, February 2. Failure to do so, as well as an unplanned early check-out, will be billed according to the full duration of your planned stay. The Hotel Orrington is located at 710 Orrington Avenue in Evanston. Directions from various points of entry are as follows: From O?Hare International Airport: From Arrivals Terminal, follow signs ?To Chicago.? Exit at I-294 NORTH. (There will be a 50? toll). Exit at Dempster Street-EAST. Continue east on Dempster approximately 15?20 minutes into Evanston. Turn Left on McCormick Blvd and right on Church Street. The hotel is on the corner of Church Street and Orrington Avenue. The main entrance is on Orrington Avenue. From Chicago and South: North on Lake Shore Drive to its end at Hollywood. Right onto Sheridan Road. Continue north into Evanston. (There are many turns. Watch for Sheridan Road signs). Left on Dempster Street to Chicago Avenue. Right on Chicago; four blocks to Davis Street. Left on Davis. One block to Orrington Avenue. Right on Orrington. 1 ? blocks to Hotel Orrington on left. From Milwaukee and North: Take I-94 East to Dempster -EAST exit. Dempster into Evanston. Turn left on McCormick Blvd and right on Church Street. The hotel is on the corner of Church Street and Orrington Avenue. The main entrance is on Orrington Avenue Tournament Debates: Some preliminary debates will occur in the Hotel Orrington, particularly as pertains to rounds one and two. On Saturday, we will be spread out in a number of campus buildings. As is historical practice, we will transport both participants and evidence to and from the Orrington. Cargo vans will circulate between the buildings to facilitate room movement when it is required. Buses will circulate on Saturday and Sunday morning and on Sunday evening to move participants as required. Air and Ground Transport: Chicago is easily accessible via air transportation via both Chicago?s O?Hare International Airport, and Midway International Airport. Both ports are approximately twelve miles from Evanston. North Shore Cab (847)-864-7500 offers a flat rate of $25 between Evanston and O?Hare, and $42 between Evanston and Midway. Midway is home to ?discounter? airlines, at least two of which, as of this writing, still permit passengers to check three bags per ticket: Airtran Airlines, and Southwest Airlines (SWA). The ?three bag? rule was negotiated between Airtran and the National Debate Coaches Association (NDCA); accordingly, we encourage you to travel Airtran if at all possible. Airport Express (800) 654-7871: Shared van service departs O?Hare every 20 minutes between 6:00 AM and 11:00 PM. Upon arrival at O?Hare, see ticket agents in baggage claim areas 1E, and 3E and ask for a suburban shuttle. Cost is approximately $25.00 per person and $46.00 round trip (2nd and 3rd passengers are $8.00 per person one way). They require a one day advance notice for return trips to O?Hare. Parking: Should you drive to the tournament or decide to rent your own ground transportation upon landing, you have several parking options in Evanston. You may valet your vehicle at the Orrington for a cost of $18 for each 24 hour period. While we have worked with the Orrington staff to speed the valet process, an event this size can sometimes create quite a clog at the start and end of tournament prelim days. Accordingly, you may consider some nearby alternatives. After 5 p.m. on Friday, February 5, and on Saturday and Sunday, you can park in the ?F? lot behind the Hardy House at 1809 and 1815 Chicago Avenue. To reach this lot, from the front of the Hotel Orrington, drive one block north (the only way you can drive on Orrnington Avenue) to Clark Street. Head east (take a right) on Clark Street and proceed one block to the intersection of Clark Street and Chicago Avenue. Continue straight through the traffic light at that intersection and take an immediate left into the alley way just beyond the intersection. This leads you directly to two adjacent ?F? or faculty parking lots. You will get ticketed in these lots if you do not move your vehicle by 8:30 a.m.; the no permit tickets are $40 each. Another option is a lot operated by the City of Evanston. It is relatively cheap; $5 for twelve hours or more. Consider this option if snow is forecast. Unlike the aforementioned Northwestern lot, the City lot is covered, so you may save yourself some time on any morning when inclement weather looms. To reach the City lot, from the front of the Hotel Orrington, drive one block north (the only way you can drive on Orrnington Avenue) to Clark Street. Head east (take a right) on Clark Street and proceed one block to the intersection of Clark Street and Chicago Avenue. Continue straight through the traffic light at that intersection. This city lot is on your right just beyond the intersection. Entry Deadlines, Limitations, and Procedures: This year, entries are accepted at the now famous ?Bruschke? web page, available at www.debateresults.com. Use of the web page offers a number of advantages for the community. Principally, it permits data on a variety of issues of community wide interest to be available to all. The page is easy to use, particularly if you have entered other tournaments through that venue. Each school is permitted an initial entry of no more than four teams. Additional teams beyond this four team cap will be accepted on a first-come-first-served ROTATING basis as space permits. That is, if space permits a fifth team from school ?X,? then we will facilitate the request for a fifth team from school ?Y,? then school ?Z,? before accommodating a sixth team from school ?X.? Please complete your initial entry no later than Tuesday, January 25. Wait list teams will be notified of their status no later than Thursday, January 27. Entry Fees: Fees for the tournament will be $40 per team and $60 per person attending the tournament. This covers a variety of meals, including a continental breakfast on each of Saturday and Sunday, lunch on each of Saturday and Sunday, and a tournament banquet on Sunday evening. It also contributes to the cost of appropriate team and speaker awards, room and building clean-up as required by the University, a reception for coaches and judges, and supplies required for tournament administration. Should you need to drop a participant, please do so no later than Noon Central Standard Time on Wednesday, February 4, 2004. Drops are official ONLY if confirmed at the official tournament web site, the same URL where you enter. Should you need to drop one or more participants after the aforementioned deadline, a drop fee of $60 per person will be assessed. We do understand that drops are typically beyond your control. They happen because of illness, poor traveling conditions, and other causes. However, we are required by our caterers to provide a guarantee number for meals no later than the scheduled drop deadline. Accordingly, after that point, we must pay for your meals no matter if you are present or not. We will make a full financial disclosure at the conclusion of the tournament. Judge Requirements: Schools are required to provide four rounds of preliminary judging for each team entered. Each judge is required to be available to hear the first two elimination rounds. Per community practice, each judge is expected to be available one round beyond the elimination of the team with whom they are associated. A limited number of hired judges are available at $25 per round. Early notice of your need to hire a judge is appreciated. Each judge will be REQUIRED to declare ONE AND ONLY ONE WINNER and ONE AND ONLY ONE LOSER in each debate to which they are assigned by the tab room. Compliance with this rule requires each judge to complete an official judge ballot as designated by the tab room. Completion of the ballot requires the judge to clearly designate affirmative or negative to signify a winning team. Judges will also be required to confirm their choice by indicating the school with which the designated winner is affiliated. The side (affirmative or negative) and school affiliation must match the assignments made by the tab room. Judges will also be required to assign speaker points and speaker ranks to each participant in the debate. Speaker points are accepted in increments of 0.5 from a minimum of 0 to a maximum of 30. Speaker ranks are accepted in whole numbers only from 1 to 4. Judges are also required to render a decision in accordance with the aforementioned criteria no more than 165 minutes beyond the designated start time of any debate that they are assigned by the tab room to adjudicate. If you or one of your judges is unable or unwilling to fulfill these requirements, please submit an alternative judge prior to the start of the tournament. If, during the course of the tournament, any judge representing your school refuses to comply with these requirements, teams affiliated with your school will be removed from the competition by the tab room. Judges are expected to disqualify themselves from hearing any team or school with which they may have a personal or professional conflict. Such conflicts include, but are not limited to: former college or high school debate colleagues, former students, students from schools with which you have been associated in the last two to four years, and students from a school you plan to associate with next year. We urge judges to maintain a high standard of integrity on this question. Conflicts may be entered in the ?comments? section of the judge entry section at www.debateresults.com. Conflicts can also be submitted to Scott Deatherage at nudebate at northwestern.edu. The tab room reserves the right to restrict a judge?s eligible team field based upon our understanding of your past institutional affiliation. Topic: Students are required to debate the topic selected for the 2004-05 season by a vote of the Cross Examination Debate Association membership. The precise wording of this year?s topic is Resolved: that the United States Federal Government should establish an energy policy requiring a substantial reduction in the total non-governmental consumption of fossil fuels in the United States. Topicality is a voting issue at both the Owen L. Coon Memorial Debates at Northwestern University and at the National Debate Tournament. Tournament Procedures: Brackets will be broken in both preliminary and elimination debates to prevent teams from the same school from meeting. Side equalization will be employed in both preliminary and elimination rounds. Details on the procedure for elimination round side equalization will be provided at the tournament. Said procedures are the same as those employed in previous Owen L. Coon tournaments. Hybrid teams are permitted. Prior to the tournament, maverick entries are NOT accepted. Once the tournament begins, maverick debaters may or may not be permitted to continue. The tournament director will evaluate maverick situations on a case-by-case basis. The tournament employs the now traditional 9-3-6 format with ten minutes of preparation time allocated to each team. The first four rounds are preset. Round five is high-high; six through eight are high-low. We continue to employ a mutual judge preference (MJP) placement system. Eight preliminary rounds are scheduled, followed by an appropriate number of elimination rounds, typically five. Northwestern teams may compete in the tournament. If so, they are eligible to receive speaker awards and to compete in elimination rounds. We will enter via the web page and declare our participation publicly. Northwestern teams will be required to complete a judge preference sheet; judge assignments for Northwestern teams will be assigned by the computer and changed only by the option of an external tab room manager. We subscribe to CEDA?s policy against Sexual Harassment and Discrimination, and the Statement of Ethical Principles, found in Bylawys IV and V of the CEDA Constitution. The tournament is CEDA Sanctioned. We do hope that you can join us in February. Our students and staff look forward to providing a quality experience for all participants. Best. Scott Deatherage Northwestern University, Evanston, IL. USA lsd041 at northwestern.edu Scott Deatherage Director of Debate Northwestern University Evanston, Illinois -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20050105/18305742/attachment.htm From FijiPapabear Wed Jan 5 20:37:51 2005 From: FijiPapabear (FijiPapabear at aol.com) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 21:37:51 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] ADA rules Message-ID: <1CC5C377.2EC300CC.181E2C32@aol.com> Where can I acquire the exact ADA rules? Thanks Alex Acosta University of Miami From jbhdb8 Wed Jan 5 21:20:52 2005 From: jbhdb8 (Josh Hoe) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 22:20:52 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Northwestern Invite In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20050105152734.01cb3fc8@lulu.it.northwestern.edu> References: <6.0.0.22.2.20050105152734.01cb3fc8@lulu.it.northwestern.edu> Message-ID: Anyone else having trouble with entering? Josh On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 15:27:40 -0600, Scott Deatherage wrote: > Below is the invitation for the Northwestern Tournament. For some reason, > I am having trouble getting it posted to debateresults.com. Make hotel > reservations soon; the block expires on Friday, January 14. The invitation > is too large to fit on Bruschke's site, so read this one and save it for > future reference. Hope to see you in February. Best. SD > > > December 15, 2004 > > Greetings Directors, Coaches, Judges, Students, and Friends. This serves > as invitation to the 48th Annual Owen L. Coon Memorial Debates, to be held > on the Evanston Campus of Northwestern University, February 5-7, 2005. This > year marks our return to Evanston after a one year hiatus to Northwestern's > Chicago campus. We do realize that the Chicago experiment was warmly > received, and we may consider a return to that model in future years. > However, we will play host to the 60th Annual National Debate Tournament in > 2006, and intend to host that tournament from Evanston. That N.D.T. will > fall at the conclusion of our spring break; accordingly, we will be able to > host the N.D.T. in a single classroom building, and will have access to > first rate conference facility to serve as tournament headquarters. Given > this plan, it is our intention to return to Evanston for the upcoming Owen > L. Coon principally because the newly named Hotel Orrington has been > completely remodeled, their staff in all departments ? reservations, front > desk, sales, catering, and other relevant areas ? is completely new. I > don't want to go through the '06 N.D.T. as their first experience with a > college tournament, hence the decision to return to Evanston for 2005. > > Tournament Hotel: The Hotel Orrington, no longer an Omni property, but > rather independently owned, is the nicest hotel on the North Shore (probably > too nice for a debate tournament, but, hey, they signed the contract). The > newly completed renovation makes the hotel competitive with the very nicest > properties in Chicagoland. It offers a complete state of the art business > facility, complete with wireless high speed internet in all public spaces, > COMPLEMENTARY high speed internet connections in all sleeping rooms (yes, > complementary), two completely renovated restaurant and bars, three high > speed elevators, and a redesigned open space lobby area, and a full workout > facility complete with spa. All public space in the new Hotel Orrington is > non-smoking. Some sleeping rooms have been set aside for guests who smoke; > accordingly, it is important to be specific to your needs when making > sleeping room reservations. > > Rooms are available at a rate of $109 per night, plus appropriate city > taxes. The $109 dollar rate is good for up to four persons per room. You > can reach the hotel directly to reserve rooms: (847)-866-8700. Or register > on line: > https://reservations.ihotelier.com/crs/g_reservation.cfm?groupID=8302&hotelID=3538 > You will need to secure your reservation with a major credit card. Be sure > to mention to the reservation clerk that you are associated with the Owen L. > Coon Debates. Reservations must be made no later than Friday, January 14 to > secure the tournament rate. A substantial number of preset debates will be > held at the Hotel Orrington on Saturday, February 5, and elimination debates > will be held there on Monday, February 7. Accordingly, we strongly > encourage you to choose the Hotel Orrington. Should you have difficulty > with Reservations, please contact Fred Wheeler, our primary contact for > Reservations and Room Assignments. You can reach Fred at > fredw at hotelorrington.com or (847)-556-7921. > > Should you need to cancel a reservation, the Hotel Orrington asks that you > do so no less than 48 hours in advance of your scheduled arrival, or 3:00 > p.m. on Wednesday, February 2. Failure to do so, as well as an unplanned > early check-out, will be billed according to the full duration of your > planned stay. > > The Hotel Orrington is located at 710 Orrington Avenue in Evanston. > Directions from various points of entry are as follows: > > From O'Hare International Airport: From Arrivals Terminal, follow signs > "To Chicago." Exit at I-294 NORTH. (There will be a 50? toll). Exit at > Dempster Street-EAST. Continue east on Dempster approximately 15?20 minutes > into Evanston. Turn Left on McCormick Blvd and right on Church Street. The > hotel is on the corner of Church Street and Orrington Avenue. The main > entrance is on Orrington Avenue. > > From Chicago and South: North on Lake Shore Drive to its end at > Hollywood. Right onto Sheridan Road. Continue north into Evanston. (There > are many turns. Watch for Sheridan Road signs). Left on Dempster Street to > Chicago Avenue. Right on Chicago; four blocks to Davis Street. Left on > Davis. One block to Orrington Avenue. Right on Orrington. 1 ? blocks to > Hotel Orrington on left. > > From Milwaukee and North: Take I-94 East to Dempster -EAST exit. > Dempster into Evanston. Turn left on McCormick Blvd and right on Church > Street. The hotel is on the corner of Church Street and Orrington Avenue. > The main entrance is on Orrington Avenue > > Tournament Debates: Some preliminary debates will occur in the Hotel > Orrington, particularly as pertains to rounds one and two. On Saturday, we > will be spread out in a number of campus buildings. As is historical > practice, we will transport both participants and evidence to and from the > Orrington. Cargo vans will circulate between the buildings to facilitate > room movement when it is required. Buses will circulate on Saturday and > Sunday morning and on Sunday evening to move participants as required. > > Air and Ground Transport: Chicago is easily accessible via air > transportation via both Chicago's O'Hare International Airport, and Midway > International Airport. Both ports are approximately twelve miles from > Evanston. North Shore Cab (847)-864-7500 offers a flat rate of $25 between > Evanston and O'Hare, and $42 between Evanston and Midway. Midway is home to > "discounter" airlines, at least two of which, as of this writing, still > permit passengers to check three bags per ticket: Airtran Airlines, and > Southwest Airlines (SWA). The "three bag" rule was negotiated between > Airtran and the National Debate Coaches Association (NDCA); accordingly, we > encourage you to travel Airtran if at all possible. > > Airport Express (800) 654-7871: Shared van service departs O'Hare every 20 > minutes between 6:00 AM and 11:00 PM. Upon arrival at O'Hare, see ticket > agents in baggage claim areas 1E, and 3E and ask for a suburban shuttle. > Cost is approximately $25.00 per person and $46.00 round trip (2nd and 3rd > passengers are $8.00 per person one way). They require a one day advance > notice for return trips to O'Hare. > > Parking: Should you drive to the tournament or decide to rent your own > ground transportation upon landing, you have several parking options in > Evanston. You may valet your vehicle at the Orrington for a cost of $18 for > each 24 hour period. While we have worked with the Orrington staff to speed > the valet process, an event this size can sometimes create quite a clog at > the start and end of tournament prelim days. Accordingly, you may consider > some nearby alternatives. > > After 5 p.m. on Friday, February 5, and on Saturday and Sunday, you can > park in the "F" lot behind the Hardy House at 1809 and 1815 Chicago Avenue. > To reach this lot, from the front of the Hotel Orrington, drive one block > north (the only way you can drive on Orrnington Avenue) to Clark Street. > Head east (take a right) on Clark Street and proceed one block to the > intersection of Clark Street and Chicago Avenue. Continue straight through > the traffic light at that intersection and take an immediate left into the > alley way just beyond the intersection. This leads you directly to two > adjacent "F" or faculty parking lots. You will get ticketed in these lots > if you do not move your vehicle by 8:30 a.m.; the no permit tickets are $40 > each. > > Another option is a lot operated by the City of Evanston. It > is relatively cheap; $5 for twelve hours or more. Consider this option if > snow is forecast. Unlike the aforementioned Northwestern lot, the City lot > is covered, so you may save yourself some time on any morning when inclement > weather looms. To reach the City lot, from the front of the Hotel > Orrington, drive one block north (the only way you can drive on Orrnington > Avenue) to Clark Street. Head east (take a right) on Clark Street and > proceed one block to the intersection of Clark Street and Chicago Avenue. > Continue straight through the traffic light at that intersection. This city > lot is on your right just beyond the intersection. > > Entry Deadlines, Limitations, and Procedures: This year, entries are > accepted at the now famous "Bruschke" web page, available at > www.debateresults.com. Use of the web page offers a number of advantages > for the community. Principally, it permits data on a variety of issues of > community wide interest to be available to all. The page is easy to use, > particularly if you have entered other tournaments through that venue. Each > school is permitted an initial entry of no more than four teams. Additional > teams beyond this four team cap will be accepted on a > first-come-first-served ROTATING basis as space permits. That is, if space > permits a fifth team from school "X," then we will facilitate the request > for a fifth team from school "Y," then school "Z," before accommodating a > sixth team from school "X." Please complete your initial entry no later > than Tuesday, January 25. Wait list teams will be notified of their status > no later than Thursday, January 27. > > Entry Fees: Fees for the tournament will be $40 per team and $60 per > person attending the tournament. This covers a variety of meals, including > a continental breakfast on each of Saturday and Sunday, lunch on each of > Saturday and Sunday, and a tournament banquet on Sunday evening. It also > contributes to the cost of appropriate team and speaker awards, room and > building clean-up as required by the University, a reception for coaches and > judges, and supplies required for tournament administration. > > Should you need to drop a participant, please do so no later than Noon > Central Standard Time on Wednesday, February 4, 2004. Drops are official > ONLY if confirmed at the official tournament web site, the same URL where > you enter. Should you need to drop one or more participants after the > aforementioned deadline, a drop fee of $60 per person will be assessed. We > do understand that drops are typically beyond your control. They happen > because of illness, poor traveling conditions, and other causes. However, > we are required by our caterers to provide a guarantee number for meals no > later than the scheduled drop deadline. Accordingly, after that point, we > must pay for your meals no matter if you are present or not. We will make a > full financial disclosure at the conclusion of the tournament. > > Judge Requirements: Schools are required to provide four rounds of > preliminary judging for each team entered. Each judge is required to be > available to hear the first two elimination rounds. Per community practice, > each judge is expected to be available one round beyond the elimination of > the team with whom they are associated. A limited number of hired judges > are available at $25 per round. Early notice of your need to hire a judge > is appreciated. > > Each judge will be REQUIRED to declare ONE AND ONLY ONE WINNER and ONE AND > ONLY ONE LOSER in each debate to which they are assigned by the tab room. > Compliance with this rule requires each judge to complete an official judge > ballot as designated by the tab room. Completion of the ballot requires the > judge to clearly designate affirmative or negative to signify a winning > team. Judges will also be required to confirm their choice by indicating > the school with which the designated winner is affiliated. The side > (affirmative or negative) and school affiliation must match the assignments > made by the tab room. Judges will also be required to assign speaker points > and speaker ranks to each participant in the debate. Speaker points are > accepted in increments of 0.5 from a minimum of 0 to a maximum of 30. > Speaker ranks are accepted in whole numbers only from 1 to 4. Judges are > also required to render a decision in accordance with the aforementioned > criteria no more than 165 minutes beyond the designated start time of any > debate that they are assigned by the tab room to adjudicate. > > If you or one of your judges is unable or unwilling to fulfill these > requirements, please submit an alternative judge prior to the start of the > tournament. If, during the course of the tournament, any judge representing > your school refuses to comply with these requirements, teams affiliated with > your school will be removed from the competition by the tab room. > > Judges are expected to disqualify themselves from hearing any team or > school with which they may have a personal or professional conflict. Such > conflicts include, but are not limited to: former college or high school > debate colleagues, former students, students from schools with which you > have been associated in the last two to four years, and students from a > school you plan to associate with next year. We urge judges to maintain a > high standard of integrity on this question. Conflicts may be entered in > the "comments" section of the judge entry section at www.debateresults.com. > Conflicts can also be submitted to Scott Deatherage at > nudebate at northwestern.edu. The tab room reserves the right to restrict a > judge's eligible team field based upon our understanding of your past > institutional affiliation. > > Topic: Students are required to debate the topic selected for the 2004-05 > season by a vote of the Cross Examination Debate Association membership. > The precise wording of this year's topic is Resolved: that the United States > Federal Government should establish an energy policy requiring a substantial > reduction in the total non-governmental consumption of fossil fuels in the > United States. Topicality is a voting issue at both the Owen L. Coon > Memorial Debates at Northwestern University and at the National Debate > Tournament. > > Tournament Procedures: Brackets will be broken in both preliminary and > elimination debates to prevent teams from the same school from meeting. > Side equalization will be employed in both preliminary and elimination > rounds. Details on the procedure for elimination round side equalization > will be provided at the tournament. Said procedures are the same as those > employed in previous Owen L. Coon tournaments. Hybrid teams are permitted. > Prior to the tournament, maverick entries are NOT accepted. Once the > tournament begins, maverick debaters may or may not be permitted to > continue. The tournament director will evaluate maverick situations on a > case-by-case basis. The tournament employs the now traditional 9-3-6 format > with ten minutes of preparation time allocated to each team. The first four > rounds are preset. Round five is high-high; six through eight are high-low. > We continue to employ a mutual judge preference (MJP) placement system. > Eight preliminary rounds are scheduled, followed by an appropriate number of > elimination rounds, typically five. Northwestern teams may compete in the > tournament. If so, they are eligible to receive speaker awards and to > compete in elimination rounds. We will enter via the web page and declare > our participation publicly. Northwestern teams will be required to complete > a judge preference sheet; judge assignments for Northwestern teams will be > assigned by the computer and changed only by the option of an external tab > room manager. We subscribe to CEDA's policy against Sexual Harassment and > Discrimination, and the Statement of Ethical Principles, found in Bylawys IV > and V of the CEDA Constitution. The tournament is CEDA Sanctioned. > > We do hope that you can join us in February. Our students and staff look > forward to providing a quality experience for all participants. Best. > > Scott Deatherage > Northwestern University, Evanston, IL. USA > lsd041 at northwestern.edu > > > > Scott Deatherage > Director of Debate > Northwestern University > Evanston, Illinois From galperi Wed Jan 5 21:30:17 2005 From: galperi (Ilya Galperin) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 22:30:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: [eDebate] ADA rules Message-ID: <1693.207.12.174.161.1104982217.squirrel@207.12.174.161> http://www.kings.edu/debate/rules.htm Not sure if it's the most recent draft, however. Ilya Galperin Miami University Debate 2004-2005 --------------------------------------- Where can I acquire the exact ADA rules? Thanks Alex Acosta University of Miami From miaminicki Thu Jan 6 10:04:38 2005 From: miaminicki (Nicole Colston) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 16:04:38 +0000 Subject: [eDebate] External funding issue and decline of debate Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20050106/6f00a78c/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ArgumentforSuccess Linda Collier.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 878987 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20050106/6f00a78c/attachment.pdf From casonye2 Thu Jan 6 11:00:59 2005 From: casonye2 (casonye2 at uiuc.edu) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:00:59 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] What happened to the rest of Fullerton Message-ID: What happened to the rest of the Fullerton results? What happened in semi's and finals of Varsity? From hansonjb Thu Jan 6 11:31:45 2005 From: hansonjb (hansonjb at whitman.edu) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 09:31:45 -0800 Subject: [eDebate] getting to debateresults.com In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1105032705.41dd760115fae@www.whitman.edu> not sure if others are having the same problem we have been--but use this web address to get to debateresults.com http://commweb.fullerton.edu/jbruschke/web/index.aspx jim hanson :) hansonjb at whitman.edu -------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through Whitman College Webmail 3.1 From Alfred.Snider Thu Jan 6 12:36:14 2005 From: Alfred.Snider (Alfred C. Snider) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 13:36:14 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Quarters at North Texas Message-ID: <1105036574.41dd851e72606@webmail.uvm.edu> OPEN Alabama GS defeats Kansas BW 3-0 UMKC CG defeats Kansas JJ 3-0 Dartmouth RT defeats Oklahoma FL 3-0 Oklahoma CJ defeats Iowa KL 3-0 JUNIOR UTSA DR defeats Rochester HL 2-1 Missouri AT defeats Oklahoma SP 3-0 Texas Austin defeeats UTD/Cornell 3-0 KCKCC defeats Kansas State EK 3-0 Semis going on now. Tuna -- From Alfred.Snider Thu Jan 6 12:37:00 2005 From: Alfred.Snider (Alfred C. Snider) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 13:37:00 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Fwd: North Texas Results #1 Message-ID: <1105036620.41dd854c48afd@webmail.uvm.edu> ----- Forwarded message from "Alfred C. Snider" ----- Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 20:16:25 -0500 From: "Alfred C. Snider" Reply-To: "Alfred C. Snider" Subject: North Texas Results #1 To: edebate at ndtceda.com Wow, hospitality from beyond the stars! Fabulous lunch yesterday with TEN different genres of food, (from cheeseburgers to pad thai to burritos and enchiladas), hospitality suite extraordinaire, and a wonderfully leisurely schedule that has made this an amazing tournament! Octafinals tonight, quarters and on in both divisions tomorrow. Rock James would have really thought this tournament was groovy and funky good ways! OPEN SPEAKERS: 1. Bryan Grayson, Alabama 2. Brian Severson, Iowa 3. Todd Lantz, Iowa 4. Abi Smith, Alabama 5. Malcolm Gordon, UMKC 6. Travis Cram, Macalester 7. michael richardson, Fort Hays 8. Andrew Jennings, Kansas 9. phil bouska, Fort Hays 10. Sandeep Ramesh, Dartmouth JV SPEAKERS: 1. Andrew Shi, Oklahoma 2. Laura Koslowsky, KCKCC 3. Philip Dipiazza, UTSA 4. Chris Lavin, Rochester 5. Flip Ripper, UTSA 6. Alex Savage, Texas Austin 7. Shane Clark, Vermont 8. Bryan Pittman, Oklahoma 9. Chris Reyna, UTSA 10. Clay Crockett, KCKCC OPEN OCTAFINALS Alabama GS vs, Baylor JT Hernson, Arbenz, Neal ALABAMA GS 3-0 Dartmouth RT vs. UMKC FR Flinn, mabrey, Regnier DARTMOUTH RT 2-1 Fort Hays BR vs. Oklahoma FL Strange, Harris, Baxter-Kauf OKLAHOMA FL 3-0 Iowa KL vs. Iowa BM IOWA KL 3-0 Kansas BW vs. Iowa RS Elliott, Vega, Dent KANSAS BW 2-1 Wichita State DM vs. Kansas JJ Kirk, Burk, Varda KANSAS JJ 2-1 UMKC CG vs. Texas Dallas CL Cram Helwich, Patel, Schwartz UMKC CG 3-0 Oklahoma CJ vs. UCO DS Cisneros, Brigham, Stanley OKLAHOMA CJ 3-0 JV QUARTERS FOR TOMORROW KCKCC CT Kansas State EK Missouri AT Oklahoma SP Rochester HL Texas Austin SS UTSA DR UTD/Cornell BW -- ----- End forwarded message ----- -- From swcedebate Thu Jan 6 13:26:50 2005 From: swcedebate (SWC Debate) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:26:50 -0800 Subject: [eDebate] Fullerton high school tournament Message-ID: I heard that there was a need for judging at the high school tournament at fullerton. If anyone has some more info on this could they back channel me. Thanks very much Jason Derby SWC Debate From lsd041 Thu Jan 6 13:44:22 2005 From: lsd041 (Scott Deatherage) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 13:44:22 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] Enter Northwestern Tournament Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20050106133935.01d49310@lulu.it.northwestern.edu> Entry for the Owen L. Coon Memorial Debates is now enabled at www.debateresults.com. Whitman, Florida, and Kansas have entered. Don't forget to make hotel reservations soon. The block rate expires on Friday, January 14. Hotel Orrington: 847-866-8700. It can also be done on line. A URL link is included in the invitation. Best. SD Scott Deatherage Director of Debate Northwestern University Evanston, Illinois From jbhdb8 Thu Jan 6 13:54:51 2005 From: jbhdb8 (Josh Hoe) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 14:54:51 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Judging at Northwestern Message-ID: The University of Michigan will likely need to hire a judge for the Northwestern extravaganza. If you are interested drop me a note. Josh From sara.apel Thu Jan 6 14:41:59 2005 From: sara.apel (sara.apel at mail.utexas.edu) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 14:41:59 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] lost iPod at Fullerton Message-ID: <1105044119.41dda297ca52d@webmailapp1.cc.utexas.edu> Its a 20 gig white one without the headphones attached to it. I havent been able to find it since the quarters or semis. If anyone found it please please please let me know. Thanks, sara From jreubenclark Thu Jan 6 16:38:15 2005 From: jreubenclark (Josh clark) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 15:38:15 -0700 Subject: [eDebate] Judges needed for Fullerton High school tournamet In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello all- If there are any So-Cal folks available tomorrow and Saturday, Damien needs judges. We need up to five. It will be four rounds on Friday, Two Saturday, and then possible outrounds if desired on Saturday. Please let me know ASAP. I'm busy pulling out my hair trying to find people and I've lost enough of it as is. Thanks Josh Clark Damien From stannardmatt Thu Jan 6 16:46:37 2005 From: stannardmatt (matt stannard) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 15:46:37 -0700 Subject: [eDebate] need to hire 4 rounds at northwestern Message-ID: Wyoming needs to hire four rounds at Northwestern, will pay $100 cash up front. Please backchannel if interested. stannard From Alfred.Snider Thu Jan 6 16:47:26 2005 From: Alfred.Snider (Alfred C. Snider) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:47:26 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] North Texas Semis Message-ID: <1105051646.41ddbffee80f5@webmail.uvm.edu> ----- Forwarded message from "Alfred C. Snider" ----- Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 16:22:56 -0500 From: "Alfred C. Snider" Reply-To: "Alfred C. Snider" Subject: North Texas Semis To: edebate at ndtceda.com OPEN DIVISION Alabama GS defeats Oklahoma CJ 2-1 UMKC CG advances without debating against Dartmouth RT JV DIVISION Missouri AT defeats Texas Austin SS 3-0 UTSA DR defeats KCKCC 2-1 Finals coming right up.... Tuna -- ----- End forwarded message ----- -- From Alfred.Snider Thu Jan 6 16:51:44 2005 From: Alfred.Snider (Alfred C. Snider) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:51:44 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Fear and Loathing in Dallas prefs Message-ID: <1105051904.41ddc10054b77@webmail.uvm.edu> We will not use Bruschke prefs for the tournament, but paper pref sheets. I have been passing them out all day here at North Texas during the elims, and would appreciate getting them back as soon as possible. Other sheets will be available at registration, but if you want them in the afternoon please call me at 802-238-8345, as I will be at the hotel and would be glad to give you sheets before registration begins. Thanks, Tuna -- From kerpen Thu Jan 6 17:06:34 2005 From: kerpen (Phil Kerpen) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 18:06:34 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] High School Topic Announced -- Make $$ Message-ID: <41DDC47A.5080903@ndtceda.com> Two things: 1. The 2005-2006 high school toipic has been announced: The NFHS announced (http://www.nfhs.org/scriptcontent/Va_Custom/vimdisplays/contentpagedisplay.cfm?content_ID=540): On January 5, 2005, ballots from 33 states, the National Catholic Forensic League and the National Forensic League were tabulated at NFHS headquarters to select the 2005-2006 national high school debate topic. Civil Liberties was selected over Federal elections with 51% of the votes. View topic paper: http://www.nfhs.org/staticcontent/PDFs/SDTA/CivilLiberties-Security.pdf Resolved: The United States federal government should substantially decrease its authority either to detain without charge or to search without probable cause. 2. Now would be a great time to make money selling files through Evazon. Evazon is our automated online store at Cross-X.com. With the new topic out, it's never too early to post evidence on the topic that can continue to generate royalties for you over the next year and a half. There is also still strong demand for files on the current high school topic. For more info, direct questions to me by replying to this email. To apply to be an author, register and follow the application link at www.evazon.com. Thanks! From Alfred.Snider Thu Jan 6 17:16:51 2005 From: Alfred.Snider (Alfred C. Snider) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:16:51 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] North Texas Finals Message-ID: <1105053411.41ddc6e32d0ea@webmail.uvm.edu> OPEN DIVISION UMKC CG vs. Alabama GS Judges: Matheson, Russell, Jenkins Winner: UMKC CG 3-0 JUNIOR DIVISION UTSA DR vs. Missouri AT Judges: Dietrich, Elliott, Dent Winner: UTSA DR 2-1 See many of you in Dallas soon! Thanks to Brian Lain and all the Mean Green for running a fantastic tournament, with great food and awesome hospitality. And, the hospitality continuses tonight at the hotel. Tuna -- From berchnorto Thu Jan 6 19:46:40 2005 From: berchnorto (NEIL BERCH) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 20:46:40 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] WVU repost Message-ID: Hi, everyone! Well, we're not Northwestern, but our hotel cost is 50-70% less (depends on whether you stay 2 nights or 3), and our entry fee is 100% less (that's right; still free). Hotel block deadline is about 2 weeks away, and here's the invite again. --Neil Berch West Virginia University November 15, 2004 Dear Friends and Colleagues: On behalf of the West Virginia University Debate team, I am pleased to invite you to the fifth annual John A. Jacobsohn Memorial Mountaineer Classic Debates, to be held in Morgantown, February 4-6, 2005. The tournament, sponsored by WVU's Eberly College of Arts and Sciences, will be sanctioned by CEDA, ADA, and SAMBA. As indicated, the tournament will honor the memory of our late colleague John Jacobsohn. The Sunday awards ceremony will feature the presentation of the 5th annual Jacobsohn award to a member of the debate community who has also done significant public service. We expect to be joined at the ceremony by Professor Jacobsohn's family. Previous winners of the Jacobsohn Award: 2001: Frank Harrison, Trinity University 2002: Larry Watts, Mansfield University 2003: Chris Baron, Baltimore Urban Debate League, and Sarah Snider, Marshall-Brennan Urban Debate League 2004: Maxwell Schnurer, Marist College We will hold 6 preliminary rounds of debate in each division (varsity, junior varsity, and novice), followed by the appropriate number of elimination rounds. We will clear up to half of the teams in each division. In the unlikely event that it is necessary to hold partial double octafinals, we will do so on Saturday night. Because we expect to take a substantial loss on the tournament (see below for why!), WVU teams may participate in preliminary rounds in larger numbers than usual. However, WVU teams will not be eligible for elimination rounds or speaker awards. The resolution will be this year's national policy debate resolution, and the time limits will be 9-3-6, with ten minutes of preparation time for each side. Rounds one and two will be pre-set. Rounds three through six will be power matched (none will be lagged). We will operate under the rules of the ADA, a copy of which may be obtained upon request. We will also observe the CEDA by-laws. The WVU debate team supports CEDA's sexual harassment policy, and we will enforce it. Eligibility for junior varsity and novice divisions will be as determined by the ADA rules. Hybrid teams are eligible to participate, and they will be eligible to qualify for elimination rounds. Awards will be given to the top eight teams in the novice and junior varsity divisions, as well as the top four teams in varsity, and to the top 10 speakers in the novice and junior varsity divisions, and the top three speakers in varsity. Ties between teams will be broken on the basis of: 1. adjusted points 2. total points 3. opponent wins 4. coin flip Speaker awards will be based upon adjusted points. Ties will be broken by: 1. total points 2. judge variance Special awards will be presented to: 1) the school that wins the most debates during preliminary rounds; 2) the school that is not ranked in the NDT top 50 as of February 1, 2005 winning the most debates during preliminary rounds; 3) the novice speaker with the highest speaker points in her/his first or second lifetime debate tournament (the "Best Newcomer" Award); 4) the highest ranked JV team where both members have remaining novice eligibility (the "Movin' On Up" award); if there is no such team, the award will go to the highest ranked varsity team where both members have remaining jv eligibility. 5) the judge whose written ballots are deemed by the tab room staff to be the most educational (the Neil Butt Award). Judges: Each school is responsible for providing a qualified judge for each one or two teams entered in the tournament. A judge will be responsible for covering three preliminary rounds for each team entered. All judges are required to judge through the quarter final round or one round after your last team is eliminated, whichever occurs later (though we will of course do our best to get eliminated schools on the road as early as possible). A VERY LIMITED number of judges will be available for hire at $100 per uncovered team. If you need to hire judges, please enter early! Unless we have an unexpectedly small entry, we will use a mutually preferred judging system. All preferences received prior to round 1 will go into effect for round 3. Entries: Please send your entries by 4:00 PM on Tuesday, February 1, 2005. Entries should be made through the ultra-fantastic Bruschke Web Page (www.debateresults.com). TOURNAMENT ENTRY IS FREE FOR ALL TEAMS (though we reserve the right to charge a nuisance fee of $50 for voluminous late drops), but we will still provide a variety of amenities, including dinner between rounds 1 and 2 on Friday night, lunch between rounds 3 and 4 on Saturday, lunch after the awards ceremony on Sunday, a hospitality room with healthy and less-healthy snacks, awards, a Saturday night bowling tournament (with one lucky recipient to be chosen for the Maxwell Schnurer Bowling Award), and a reception for women coaches and debaters on Friday night. Entries may be sent by telephone (304-293-3811, ext. 5290), fax (304-293-8644, or e-mail (berchnorto at msn.com). We would be especially appreciative of early entry estimates. Changes on the day of the tournament should be made via email or cell phone (412-445-3957). The tournament hotel will be the Hampton Inn of Morgantown. Pairings will be distributed there on Saturday and Sunday mornings, and the Friday night reception for women coaches and debaters (sponsored by STAND) will take place there as well. Our block has a flat rate of $60 for up to 4 people, with continental breakfast included. The direct number for the Hampton Inn is 304-599-1200, or you may use the national reservations number (1-800-Hampton). Please use the code for our block (EAS). Our contact at the Hampton Inn is Mr. Jodi White. If you run into problems, please let me know. The deadline for the block is January 22. Schedule (and please note that we will vigorously enforce the 15 minute forfeit rule. Please also note that we are attempting to operate on more college student-friendly hours. We will end late on both Friday and Saturday evenings, but you will leave already having had dinner.): Friday, February 4: 3:30 PM-4:30 PM: Registration on the 3rd floor of Woodburn Hall (the building with the clock). Most business will already have been done via email. 5:00 Opening meeting 5:30 Round 1 7:45 Dinner break (sandwiches, probably from Subway) 8:15 Round 2 11:00 Reception for women judges, coaches, and debaters at the Hampton Inn, hosted by WVU Assistant Coach Becky Evans-Wilson, and others. Saturday, February 5: 8:30 Round 3 pairings available at Hampton Inn and at Woodburn Hall 10:00 Round 3 12:00 lunch-probably pizza 1:15 Round 4 4:00 Round 5 6:00 Dinner on your own (please note the Food Court in the Mountainlair just across the street from the tournament rooms. It features a burger place, a Sbarro's, a sandwich shop, and a Chinese fast food establishment, which has a fantastic tofu dish that is vegan-compliant). 7:15 Round 6 9:45 Bowling Party in Mountainlair (last year, more than half the schools participated, and teams that participated did well on Sunday!) Sunday, February 6: 7:30 Elimination round pairings released at Hampton Inn and Woodburn Hall. 8:30 First elimination round 10:45 Awards Ceremony 11:30 Lunch-probably sandwiches, chips, etc. 12:45 Second elimination round 3:30 Third elimination round 6:00 Fourth elimination round if needed. Morgantown is easily accessible by Interstate 68 from the East, and by Interstate 79 from the North and South. The hills of West Virginia are beautiful any time of the year, but they are especially pretty in February (really!). We hope to see many of you, and we look forward to returning the hospitality that many of you have shown us these past several years. Sincerely, Neil Berch Associate Professor of Political Science and Debate Coach on behalf of the WVU Debate Team DIRECTIONS TO THE HAMPTON INN >From I-79 North: Take exit 155, Star City. Stay in the right lane after you leave the ramp, and bear right at the traffic light. You will cross a bridge and travel through a traffic light. As you reach the top of the hill, you will come to another traffic light. Make a left at that light (on to Patteson Drive). Travel through 3 more traffic lights, and continue until you see the Hampton Inn on your left (just as you come around a bend). >From I-79 South: Take exit 155, Star City. Make a left at the end of the ramp. Get in the right lane, and bear right at the traffic light. You will cross a bridge and travel through a traffic light. As you reach the top of the hill, you will come to another traffic light. Make a left at that light (on to Patteson Drive). Travel through 3 more traffic lights, and continue until you see the Hampton Inn on your left (just as you come around a bend). >From I-68 West: Take exit 7, Pierpont Road, and turn right. Follow for about a mile, and turn left on to 119 South. At the second light, turn right. Continue to the 5th light and turn left on to Van Voorhis Road. The Hampton Inn is about a half mile on your right. To the Mountainlair from Hampton Inn Turn RIGHT out of Hampton Inn Take LEFT at the second stop light Continue straight through light, pass McDonald's (will be on road a little bit) Go STRAIGHT through light at four way intersection, pass large new building and around a loop; Turn LEFT at 2nd light (Spruce Street) after loop (you will have gone about 1.8 miles from the Hampton Inn by then) At stop sign, turn LEFT At stop sign, turn RIGHT (High Street) Take immediate LEFT Park in Area 3 of Mountainlair Garage (furthest entrance) On Friday, you may park in lot 3 in the Mountainlair Garage. WVU debaters will be at the entrance with parking permits. They will also direct you to Woodburn Hall, the tournament headquarters (about a block and a half from the parking area). Please allow a reasonable time to get to Woodburn, as Friday afternoon traffic in Morgantown is surprisingly heavy. After 5pm on Friday, you may park in spaces behind Woodburn that are not designated as reserved or handicapped. On Saturday and Sunday, parking in lot 3 is free, and you may also fight each other for the free (not reserved or handicapped) spaces behind Woodburn. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20050106/2854294d/attachment.html From berchnorto Thu Jan 6 20:26:00 2005 From: berchnorto (NEIL BERCH) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 21:26:00 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] grade policies Message-ID: I'm interested in hearing from directors/coaches/debaters regarding squad and/or university policies regarding grades and participation in debate. Does your program have a policy, what is it, what's the rationale, is it enforced? And, does it serve the purpose for which it is intended? I will summarize replies and report that summary to edebate (schools won't be identified). 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Louie Petit Assistant Debate Coach University of Central Oklahoma _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From vothb Fri Jan 7 09:04:11 2005 From: vothb (Ben Voth) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 10:04:11 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Miami Sanders invite Adjustments Message-ID: January 7, 2005 10 am Debate community, We had some settings problems on the Brushke entry page limiting entries to our tournament. Those limits have been adjusted to allow more entries. If you were denied entry, please try again. If you continue to have problems please feel free to email me or Steve with entry information. We look forward to hosting you here at Miami. Ben Voth -- Ben Voth Associate Professor of Communication Director of Forensics Miami University 513-529-2278 fax# 513-529-1268 www.muohio.edu/~vothb/forensic.html From mizzoudebate Fri Jan 7 13:42:09 2005 From: mizzoudebate (Mizzou Debate) Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 13:42:09 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] UNT thanks Message-ID: We at the University of Missouri-Columbia would also like to join the University of Central Oklahoma in extending our thanks to the University of North Texas for a smooth, well run tournament. We especially enjoyed the hospitality. Thank you to everyone who made this tournament possible, especially Brian Lain and Tuna Snider. We'll be back next year. Kurt Austin Eapen Thampy Osama bin Borich James "I can't go because I have to give urine analysis drug tests to female prisoners" Lawson From dave Fri Jan 7 14:52:32 2005 From: dave (David Steinberg) Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 15:52:32 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Omar, Veronica, Weber State?? Message-ID: <000601c4f4fa$d2159e50$9fe0ab81@com.nb> Please contact me! cell 305-926-8498 David L. Steinberg, Director of Debate University of Miami PO Box 248127 Coral Gables, FL 33124 Wolfson Building #3015 305-284-5553 (office) 305-284-5216 (fax) dave at miami.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20050107/92494002/attachment.html From reno Fri Jan 7 18:07:39 2005 From: reno (reno at lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 18:07:39 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] UNT Thanks Message-ID: <20050107180739.8d44ww0gwgskwg4o@lonestar.utsa.edu> Thanks to Brian and all of the?most hospitable?North Texas crew! SkipEno & Debaters? ___________________________________________________________________________ *************************************************************************** If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, please notify the sender immediately. The contents of this e-mail do not amend any existing disclosures or agreements unless expressly stated. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20050107/a6293941/attachment.htm From madisonlaird Fri Jan 7 21:59:24 2005 From: madisonlaird (Madison Laird) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 19:59:24 -0800 Subject: [eDebate] new words Message-ID: <200501080359.j083xMK30181@hsdebate.com> The Washington Post's Style Invitational once again asked readers to take any word from the dictionary, alter it by adding, subtracting, or changing one letter, and supply a new definition. Here are this year's winners: 1. Bozone (n.): The substance surrounding stupid people that stops bright ideas from penetrating. The bozone layer, unfortunately, shows little sign of breaking down in the near future. 2. Foreploy (v): Any misrepresentation about yourself for the purpose of getting laid. 3. Cashtration (n.): The act of buying a house, which renders the subject financially impotent for an indefinite period. 4. Giraffiti (n): Vandalism spray painted very, very high. 5. Sarchasm (n): The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it. 6. Inoculatte (v): To take coffee intravenously when you are running late. 7. Hipatitis (n): Terminal coolness. 8. Osteopornosis (n): A degenerate disease. 9. Karmageddon (n): It's like, when everybody is sending off all these really bad vibes, right? And then, like, the Earth explodes and it's like, a serious bummer. 10. Decafalon (n.): The grueling event of getting through the day consuming only things that are good for you. 11. Glibido (v): All talk and no action. 12. Dopeler effect (n): The tendency of stupid ideas to seem smarter when they come at you rapidly. 13. Arachnoleptic fit (n.): The frantic dance performed just after you've accidentally walked through a spider web. 14. Beelzebug (n.): Satan in the form of a mosquito that gets into your bedroom at three in the morning and cannot be cast out. 15. Caterpallor (n.): The color you turn after finding half a grub in the fruit you're eating. And the pick of the literature: 16. Ignoranus (n): A person who's both stupid and an asshole. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20050107/d13ee730/attachment.html From aiftimie Fri Jan 7 22:38:35 2005 From: aiftimie (Alex Iftimie) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 20:38:35 -0800 Subject: [eDebate] Nichols Casebook Message-ID: <200501080438.j084ceK05102@hsdebate.com> As part of our effort to make the Alan Nichols Invitational a successful tournament, several of our squad members helped collect scouting information from rounds during the tournament. A big thank you goes out to the many members of the Trojan Debate Squad who took on casebook responsibilities in addition to all those that come with making a large tournament possible, as well as to all the competitors and judges that were accommodating of our scouts. This casebook is meant to serve as a supplement to the preexisting Shirley Casebook. The casebook can be found at: http://www.usctrojandebate.com/college_tournaments.html Best Regards, Alex Iftimie Southern Cal 2007 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From Greg.Achten Sun Jan 9 20:14:47 2005 From: Greg.Achten (Achten, Greg) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 18:14:47 -0800 Subject: [eDebate] Sierra Nevada Invitational @ CSU Chico Message-ID: <00ff01c4f6ba$28d341a0$e6db7a44@OFFICE> The Sierra Nevada Invitational Debates will once again be hosted by CSU Chico on March 4-6. A formal invitation with registration and hotel information will be forthcoming shortly but mark your calendars for this event as it is always an excellent tournament and a fun time is sure to be had by all. Greg Achten -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20050109/38b6d03a/attachment.html From Alfred.Snider Sun Jan 9 21:27:07 2005 From: Alfred.Snider (Alfred C. Snider) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 22:27:07 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Fear & Loathing in Dallas open partials & clears Message-ID: <1105327627.41e1f60be40ec@webmail.uvm.edu> UTD ? FEAR AND LOATHING IN DALLAS PARTIAL DOUBLES ? START AT 7:20 PM ROOM: GR 2.302 TEAMS: UMKC FR vs. Iowa BM JUDGES: Breshears, Neal, Warner ROOM: GR 2.318 TEAMS: Texas PH vs. Wichita DM JUDGES: Stevenson, Kelly, Lee ROOM: GR 2.508 TEAMS: UCO SD vs. Cornell BF JUDGES: Brigham, Taylor, Regnier ROOM: GR 2.510 TEAMS: Fort Hays RB vs. Wayne State NS JUDGES: Cram Hellwish, O?Toole, Midence ROOM: GR 2.530 TEAMS: Wayne State ER vs. Emporia BN JUDGES: Elliott, Varda, Patel ROOM: GR 2.816 TEAMS: Texas TD vs. Baylor LO JUDGES: Jarman, Schwartz, Register ROOM: GR 2.822 TEAMS: Dartmouth EK vs. Northwestern DH JUDGES: Harris, Russell, Stanley ROOM: GR 3.402 TEAMS: Kansas BS vs, Oklahoma CJ JUDGES: Matheson, Flinn, Winfrey ROOM: GR 4.204 TEAMS: Dartmouth CK vs. Emory HW JUDGES: Morris, Gottbreht, Gerber ROOM: GR 4.208 TEAMS: Kansas JJ vs. Cornell FT JUDGES: Strange, Dietrich, Johnson ADVANCING WWITHOUT DEBATING: Alabama SG, North Texas AP, Iowa LK, UMKC CG, Kansas JT, Iowa SR SPARE ROOM: GR 4.428 ALL JUDGES COMMITTED THROUGH FIRST ELIM TOMORROW. ALL ROUNDS AT HOTEL TOMORROW. AWARDS AFTER FIRST ELIM TOMORROW. HOSPITALITY TONIGHT AS USUAL. PLEASE HELP KEEP ROOMS CLEAN. MOVE ALL EVIDENCE FROM CAMPUS. FEAR AND LOATHING IN DALLAS CLOSED DIVISION QUALIFIERS QUARTERFINALS TOMORROW AT HOTEL KANSAS CITY KANSAS CC BL KANSAS CITY KANSAS CC CT OKLAHOMA DS OKLAHOMA/SOUTHEAST LOUISIANA WP ROCHESTER HL SMS/UMKC MJ TEXAS SAN ANTONIO CR TEXAS SAN ANTONIO RN -- From Alfred.Snider Mon Jan 10 00:05:33 2005 From: Alfred.Snider (Alfred C. Snider) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 01:05:33 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] FEAR & LOATHING: Partial Doubles results Message-ID: <1105337133.41e21b2dbd260@webmail.uvm.edu> FEAR & LOATHING IN DALLAS PARTIAL DOUBLES RESULTS ROOM: GR 2.302 TEAMS: UMKC FR vs. Iowa BM UMKC CG AFF WINS 3-0 JUDGES: Breshears, Neal, Warner ROOM: GR 2.318 TEAMS: Texas PH vs. Wichita DM TEXAS PH SFF WINS 3-0 JUDGES: Stevenson, Kelly, Lee ROOM: GR 2.508 TEAMS: UCO SD vs. Cornell BF CORNELL BF NEG WINS 2-1 JUDGES: Brigham, Taylor, Regnier ROOM: GR 2.510 TEAMS: Fort Hays RB vs. Wayne State NS FORT HAYS RB AFF WINS 2-1 JUDGES: Cram Hellwish, O?Toole, Midence ROOM: ?GR 2.530 TEAMS: Wayne State ER vs. Emporia BN WAYNE STATE ER NEG WINS 3-0 JUDGES: Elliott, Varda, Patel ROOM: GR 2.816 TEAMS: Texas TD vs. Baylor LO BAYLOR LO AFF WINS 2-1 JUDGES: Jarman, Schwartz, Register ROOM: GR 2.822 TEAMS: Dartmouth EK vs. Northwestern DH NORTHWESTERN DH NEG WINS 3-0 JUDGES: Harris, Russell, Stanley ROOM: GR 3.402 TEAMS: Kansas BS vs, Oklahoma CJ OKLAHOMA CJ AFF WINS 3-0 JUDGES: Matheson, Flinn, Winfrey ROOM: GR 4.204 TEAMS: Dartmouth CK vs. Emory HW EMORY HW NEG WINS 2-1 JUDGES: Morris, Gottbreht, Gerber ROOM: GR 4.208 TEAMS: Kansas JJ vs. Cornell FT KANSAS JJ NEG WINS 3-0 JUDGES: Strange, Dietrich, Johnson ADVANCING WWITHOUT DEBATING: Alabama SG, North Texas AP, Iowa LK, UMKC CG, Kansas JT, Iowa SR TOMORROW: EVERYTHING AT THE HOTEL! PAIRINGS AT 8:30, DEBATE AT 9:30 AM. AWARDS FOLLOW THE DEBATE IN THE BISTRO ROOM. -- From bbcoulte Mon Jan 10 10:06:55 2005 From: bbcoulte (Benjamin Coulter) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:06:55 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] Want to hire judging at Cal Message-ID: Samford is looking to hire judging to cover a team at Cal. We will pay cash at the tournament. Please drop me a line if you are interested. Ben Coulter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20050110/867572e6/attachment.htm From Alfred.Snider Mon Jan 10 10:09:47 2005 From: Alfred.Snider (Alfred C. Snider) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 11:09:47 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Fear & Loathing in Dallas Octas Message-ID: <1105373387.41e2a8cba97b4@webmail.uvm.edu> FEAR & LOATHING IN DALLAS START TIME 9:30 AM AWARDS AFTER THIS ROUND IN BISTRO OPEN OCTAFINALS ROOM: MANCHESTER 1ST TEAMS: IOWA LK VS. UMKC FR JUDGES: BRESHEARS, ELLIOTT, WINFREY ROOM: WINSTON 1ST TEAMS: EMORY HW VS. OKLAHOMA CJ JUDGES: HARRIS, REGNIER, MILLER ROOM: SURREY 2ND TEAMS: UMKC CG VS. FORT HAYS BR JUDGES: CRAM HELWICH, PATEL, PETIT ROOM: NEWBURY 2ND TEAMS: ALABAMA GS VS. WAYNE STATE ER JUDGES: MORRIS, MIDENCE, CISNEROS ROOM: WARWICK 2ND TEAMS: IOWA SR VS. TEXAS PH JUDGES: STEVENSON, NEAL, WALTERS ROOM: BERKSHIRE 2ND TEAMS: KANSAS JJ VS. NORTHWESTERN DH JUDGES: MATHESON, KELLY, WARNER ROOM: BISTRO 1ST TEAMS: KANSAS JT VS. CORNELL BF JUDGES: GOTTBREHT, VARDA, TAYLOR ROOM: PICKWICK 2ND TEAMS: NORTH TEXAS AP VS. BAYLOR LO JUDGES: RUSSELL, JARMAN, LEE CLOSED QUARTERFINALS ROOM: 422 TEAMS: SMS/UMKC MJ VS. OKLAHOMA/SELA WP JUDGES: SCHWARTZ, FLINN, BRIGHAM ROOM: 522 TEAMS: KCKCC BL VS. OKLAHOMA DS JUDGES: GAGNON, STANLEY, DIETRICH ROOM: 622 TEAMS: KCKCC CT VS. UTSA CR JUDGES: O?TOOLE, ZIEGELMUELLER, VEGA ROOM: 722 TEAMS: ROCHESTER HL VS. UTSA RN JUDGES: ARBENZ, MABREY, SHANAHAN From eric.fletcher Mon Jan 10 11:04:47 2005 From: eric.fletcher (Eric Fletcher) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 09:04:47 -0800 Subject: [eDebate] Full Time/Tenure ADOF-Speech Instructor, Fresno City College Fall 2005 Message-ID: All, After long negotiations our administration has supported the expansion of our program. This includes budget and travel increases as well as the new ADOF position. The position is official and I will forward the formal announcement to the list in the next week or so (it is being processed). If you have any questions about "us" or our program-feel free to contact me (559) 442-4600 EXT. 8186 or email. From dave Mon Jan 10 11:01:49 2005 From: dave (David Steinberg) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 12:01:49 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Hurricane Debates Results Message-ID: <000c01c4f736$164b1310$9fe0ab81@com.nb> Thanks to everyone who attended the 2005 Hurricane Debates at The University of Miami! We had a wonderful time hosting and look forward to next year's tournament. Congratulations to the winners! Novice Finals Piedmont BD (Neg) def. FSU BA, 2-1, *Cusick, DeLeon, Butt Novice 3rd Place Debate FSU BB (Aff) def. Piedmont BM, 3-0, Acosta, Mahaffy, Evans-Wilson Open Quarterfinals Case Western DD (Neg) def. UF BF, 3-0, Butt, Cummings, Squire John Carroll FG (Aff) def. Mercer LW, 2-1, Boggs, *Wiese, Mahaffy Georgetown/Vandy CM (Neg) def. UF WC, 3-0, Richter, Evans-Wilson, Tandlich Vandy RR def. Georgetown CM, 2-1, *Kish, Grindy, Wilson Open Semifinals Case Western DD (Aff) def. Vandy RR, 3-0, Wiese, Tandlich, Boggs John Carroll FG (Aff) def. Georgetown CM, 2-1, *Richter, Grindy, Wilson Open Finals Case Western DD (Aff) def. John Carroll FG, 3-0, Richter, Tandlich, Mahaffy Novice Speakers 1. Bonnie Bittman, FSU 2. Amy Lawrence, Miami 3. Michael Brande, FSU 4. Donald Bryson, Piedmont 5. Gabriela Ayala, FSU 6. Michelle Morres, Piedmont 7. Brian Willis, Middlebury 8. Angelina Dorman, Piedmont 9. Caress Russell, Mercer 10. Ryan Baker, Piedmont Open Speakers 1. Vince Binder, UF 2. Alex Acosta, Miami 3. Nick Denissen, Case Western 4. Nick Dorsey, Case Western 5. Tasha Forchione, John Carroll 6. Jonathan Gingerich, Georgetown 7. Morgan Weinstein, UF 8. Jeremane Blackwood, FSU 9. Matt Gayetsky, John Carroll 10. Sean Luechtefeld, FSU David L. Steinberg, Director of Debate University of Miami PO Box 248127 Coral Gables, FL 33124 Wolfson Building #3015 305-284-5553 (office) 305-284-5216 (fax) dave at miami.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20050110/6b6d4d92/attachment.html From eric.fletcher Mon Jan 10 11:08:00 2005 From: eric.fletcher (Eric Fletcher) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 09:08:00 -0800 Subject: [eDebate] Fresno City College Position--by the way Message-ID: All, Sorry, for those of you that don't know--it's Eric Fletcher sending this info. From KWhalen Mon Jan 10 12:59:50 2005 From: KWhalen (Whalen, Kristina) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:59:50 -0800 Subject: [eDebate] UDL grant-reminder Message-ID: <15E29EFEC45DC34F8A91C46CBE80BF4409CC87D6@ESCHE.csuchico.edu> A $500 grant is offered to those interested in research concerning the UDL-college debate connection. The deadline for applications is the end of this month. Please see the member services link at www.cedadebate.org for details and application requirements. Apply today! Kristina Whalen Ph.D CEDA President Assistant Professor Director of Forensics Communication Arts & Sciences CSU, Chico From Alfred.Snider Mon Jan 10 13:31:27 2005 From: Alfred.Snider (Alfred C. Snider) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:31:27 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Fear & Loathing in Dallas - Open quarter, Closed semis, speakers Message-ID: <1105385487.41e2d80f84cf4@webmail.uvm.edu> FEAR & LOATHING IN DALLAS OPEN OCTAFINALS ROOM: MANCHESTER 1ST TEAMS: IOWA LK VS. UMKC FR JUDGES: BRESHEARS, ELLIOTT, WINFREY UMKC FR NEG WINS 2-1 ROOM: WINSTON 1ST TEAMS: EMORY HW VS. OKLAHOMA CJ JUDGES: HARRIS, REGNIER, MILLER OKLAHOMA CJ AFF WINS 3-0 ROOM: SURREY 2ND TEAMS: UMKC CG VS. FORT HAYS BR JUDGES: CRAM HELWICH, PATEL, PETIT UMKC CG AFF WINS 2-1 ROOM: NEWBURY 2ND TEAMS: ALABAMA GS VS. WAYNE STATE ER JUDGES: MORRIS, MIDENCE, CISNEROS ALABAMA GS AFF WINS 3-0 ROOM: WARWICK 2ND TEAMS: IOWA SR VS. TEXAS PH JUDGES: STEVENSON, NEAL, WALTERS TEXAS PH NEG WINS 2-1 ROOM: BERKSHIRE 2ND TEAMS: KANSAS JJ VS. NORTHWESTERN DH JUDGES: MATHESON, KELLY, WARNER KANSAS JJ AFF WINS 2-1 ROOM: BISTRO 1ST TEAMS: KANSAS JT VS. CORNELL BF JUDGES: GOTTBREHT, VARDA, TAYLOR KANSAS JT NEG WINS 2-1 ROOM: PICKWICK 2ND TEAMS: NORTH TEXAS AP VS. BAYLOR LO JUDGES: RUSSELL, JARMAN, LEE NORTH TEXAS AFF WINS 2-1 CLOSED QUARTERFINALS ROOM: 422 TEAMS: SMS/UMKC MJ VS. OKLAHOMA/SELA WP JUDGES: SCHWARTZ, FLINN, BRIGHAM OKLAHOMA/SELA WP WINS 3-0 ROOM: 522 TEAMS: KCKCC BL VS. OKLAHOMA DS JUDGES: GARCIA, STANLEY, DIETRICH KCKCC BL AFF WINS 2-1 ROOM: 622 TEAMS: KCKCC CT VS. UTSA CR JUDGES: O?TOOLE, ZIEGELMUELLER, VEGA KCKCC CT AFF WINS 3-0 ROOM: 722 TEAMS: ROCHESTER HL VS. UTSA RN JUDGES: ARBENZ, MABREY, SHANAHAN UTSA RN AFF WINS 3-0 SPEAKERS - OPEN 1. Grayson, Alabama 2. Severson, Iowa 3. Smith, Alabama 4. Tinsley, Kansas 5. Lantz, Iowa 6. Prieur, North Texas 7. Krantz, Iowa 8. Johnson, Kansas 9. Gordon, UMKC 10. Cleary, Oklahoma 11. Derrick, Northwestern 12. Jordan, Kansas 13. Wade, Emory 14. Cram, Macalester 15. richardson, Fort Hays 16. Naputi, Emporia 17. McCarthy, Iowa 18. Hamrie, Emory 19. Kernoff, Dartmouth 20. Jennings, Kansas SPEAKERS ? CLOSED 1. Moore, SMS/UMKC 2. Lawson, KCKCC 3. Wagner, SE Louisiana 4. Crockett, KCKCC 5. Steece, Oklaahoma 6. Cottrell, UTSA 7. Tuck, KCKCC 8. Van Kirk, Alabama 9. Bretthauer, KCKCC 10. Hitchcock, Rochester TEXAS TWO-STEP AWARD FOR BEST PRELIM RECORD AT UNT & UTD: Iowa LK 12-1 FEAR & LOATHING QUARTERS OPEN, SEMIS CLOSED OPEN QUARTERS ROOM: MANCHESTER TEAMS: UMKC FR VS. OKLAHOMA CJ JUDGES: MABREY, NEAL, ELLIOTT ROOM: NEWBURY TEAMS: UMKC CG VS. ALABAMA SG JUDGES: BRESHEARS, WARNER, RUSSELL ROOM: WARWICK TEAMS: TEXAS OH VS. KANSAS JJ JUDGES: MORRIS, MATHESON, KELLY ROOM: BISTRO TEAMS: KANSAS JT VS. NORTH TEXAS AP JUDGES: STEVENSON, VARDA, WALTERS CLOSED SEMIS ROOM: SURREY TEAMS: OKLAHOMA/SELA WP VS. KCKCC BL JUDGES: LEE, DIETRICH, ZIEGELMUELLER ROOM: PICKWICK TEAMS: KCLCC CT VS. UTSA RN JUDGES: STANLEY, VEGA, O?TOOLE From kerpen Mon Jan 10 14:33:56 2005 From: kerpen (Phil Kerpen) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 15:33:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: [eDebate] Evazon Application Link Fixed Message-ID: A few of you ave noted that there was no link to the author application on the Evazon page. The link was inadvertantly removed by my web developer while he wa rearranging some things on the site. It has been restored. Anyone interested in selling debate evidence through Cross-X.com should feel free to apply. Go to: www.cross-x.com/evazon or www.evazon.com (they go to the same place) You'll need to login with your Cross-X account or register to create one first, then you can click the "Author Application" link and go from there. Thanks! -- ------------------------ Phil Kerpen Cell: 202.285.9714 // Fax and Voicemail: 202.478.0343 From Alfred.Snider Mon Jan 10 16:36:39 2005 From: Alfred.Snider (Alfred C. Snider) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 17:36:39 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Fear & Loathing - Open semis, Closed finals Message-ID: <1105396599.41e303772072a@webmail.uvm.edu> FEAR & LOATHING IN DALLAS OPEN QUARTERFINAL RESULTS ROOM: MANCHESTER TEAMS: UMKC FR VS. OKLAHOMA CJ JUDGES: MABREY, NEAL, ELLIOTT OKLAHOMA CJ NEG 2-1 ROOM: NEWBURY TEAMS: UMKC CG VS. ALABAMA SG JUDGES: BRESHEARS, CISNEROS, RUSSELL UMKC CG NEG 3-0 ROOM: WARWICK TEAMS: TEXAS PH VS. KANSAS JJ JUDGES: MORRIS, MATHESON, KELLY TEXAS PH NEG 3-0 ROOM: BISTRO TEAMS: KANSAS JT VS. NORTH TEXAS AP JUDGES: STEVENSON, VARDA, WALTERS KANSAS JT NEG 3-0 OPEN SEMIFINALS ROOM: MANCHESTER TEAMS: UMKC CG VS. OKLAHOMA CJ JUDGES: MATHESON, HARRIS, BRESHEARS ROOM: BISTRO TEAMS: KANSAS JT VS. TEXAS PH JUDGES: REGISTER, DIETRICH, KELLY CLOSED SEMIFINAL RESULTS ROOM: SURREY TEAMS: OKLAHOMA/SELA WP VS. KCKCC BL JUDGES: LEE, DIETRICH, ZIEGELMUELLER OKLAHOMA/SE LOUISIANA WP NEG 2-1 ROOM: PICKWICK TEAMS: KCLCC CT VS. UTSA RN JUDGES: STANLEY, VEGA, O?TOOLE UTSA RM AFF 2-1 CLOSED FINAL ROUND ROOM: WARWICK TEAMS: OKLAHOMA/SE LOUISIANA WP VS. UTSA RN JUDGES: VEGA, STANLEY, O?TOOLE -- From michaelklinger Mon Jan 10 17:07:15 2005 From: michaelklinger (Michael Klinger) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 17:07:15 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] West Georgia KT/Hester Message-ID: Two things. One, can Joe or James backchannel me at mklinger at fas.harvard.edu? This is gonna sound kind of weird but I have a cite request. Two, where the hell are the belts? Those things ruled. Klinger _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement From gscannap Mon Jan 10 19:50:26 2005 From: gscannap (Gabriel Scannapieco) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:50:26 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Greg Achten... Message-ID: ...He's one fine piece of ass. Sorry Stacey, unlike in the buffet line, Greg takes the cake on this issue. Love, Helen of Troy From Alfred.Snider Mon Jan 10 20:22:35 2005 From: Alfred.Snider (Alfred C. Snider) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 21:22:35 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] FEAR & LOATHING - OPEN FINALS, CLOSED FINALS Message-ID: <1105410155.41e3386ba5d4e@webmail.uvm.edu> FEAR & LOATHING IN DALLAS OPEN SEMIFINALS ROOM: MANCHESTER TEAMS: UMKC CG VS. OKLAHOMA CJ JUDGES: MATHESON, HARRIS, BRESHEARS OKLAHOMA CJ NEG 2-1 ROOM: BISTRO TEAMS: KANSAS JT VS. TEXAS PH JUDGES: REGISTER, DIETRICH, KELLY TEXAS PH AFF 3-0 CLOSED FINAL ROUND ROOM: WARWICK TEAMS: OKLAHOMA/SE LOUISIANA WP VS. UTSA RN JUDGES: VEGA, STANLEY, O?TOOLE OKLAHOMA/SE LOUISIANA WP 3-0 OPEN FINAL ROUND COMING UP..... ROOM: BISTRO TEAMS: OKLAHOMA CJ VS. TEXAS PH JUDGES: MATHESON, STANLEY, TAYLOR THE PARTY IS ALSO STARTING TO HEAT UP! WISH YOU WERE HERE. TUNA -- From kenedebate Mon Jan 10 22:42:49 2005 From: kenedebate (Ken DeLaughder) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 22:42:49 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] northwestern rooms??? Message-ID: I tried the online system today, and it told me there were no available rooms. I emailed Wheeler, anyone else find that to be true. Is the block sold out already? damn... There are no alternative hotels listed. Ken D. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From kenedebate Mon Jan 10 22:53:11 2005 From: kenedebate (Ken DeLaughder) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 22:53:11 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] Naval Academy invite Message-ID: If there has been one put out, could someone forward it to me? there were none listed on the Bruschke site. Ken D. Emporia _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar ? get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From Alfred.Snider Mon Jan 10 23:54:31 2005 From: Alfred.Snider (Alfred C. Snider) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 00:54:31 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Fear & Loathing - the last Message-ID: <1105422871.41e36a17817ac@webmail.uvm.edu> OPEN FINALS TEAMS: OKLAHOMA CJ VS. TEXAS PH JUDGES: MATHESON, STANLEY, TAYLOR TEXAS PH AFF WINS 3-0 BYE BYE! Tuna -- From noonan Tue Jan 11 07:30:18 2005 From: noonan (Tom Noonan) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 07:30:18 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] Marquette University Invitation Message-ID: Attached is the invitation for the ADA sanctioned Marquette University tournament February 18-20, 2005. The hotel reservation cut off is not too far away so I though I would post one final time. We hope that you can join us in Milwaukee. Thomas Noonan Director of Debate Marquette University MU Office 414.288.6359 www.mudebateinstitute.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If you have already paid to submit a bid, that is indicated next to your school name (I am adding second rounds as they are paid). In order to participate in the qualification process (including the bid allocation process) for the NDT at any level (first round, districts, and second round), you must have paid your NDT dues prior to the start of the qualification process (meaning bid allocation process) to be eligible. Only subscibing schools may be listed in the final NDT rankings. You can pay dues through the AFA website (www.americanforensics.org) or by mailing a check for $45.00 made payable to the NDT to: Brett O'Donnell, NDT Treasurer, Liberty University Debate, 1971 University Blvd, Lynchburg, VA 24502. This is updated as of 1/11/05 2004-05 NDT Subscribers Angelo State University Arizona State University Augustana College California Poly State University-San Luis Obispo California State University, Long Beach California State University, Northridge Capital University Central Florida Community College Clarion University Concordia College Cornell University Dartmouth College Eastern New Mexico University Fordham University Georgia Institute of Technology Harvard University Illinois College James Madison University John Carroll University King's College Lewis & Clark College Liberty University Lock Haven University Loyola University Chicago Northern Illinois University Northwest College Pepperdine university Towson University Trinity University San Diego State University Southern Illinois University University of Central Oklahoma University of Georgia University of Kentucky University of Louisville University of Miami University of Michigan University of Missouri-Kansas City University of Northern Iowa University of Redlands University of Richmond University of Rochester University of Texas University of Virginia Charlottesville Wayne State University Weber State University West Georgia State University Whitman College Wichita State University Brett M. O'Donnell Director of Debate Liberty University 1971 University Blvd. Lynchburg, VA 24502 434-582-2080 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20050111/97c92b03/attachment.htm From mizzoudebate Tue Jan 11 11:12:08 2005 From: mizzoudebate (Mizzou Debate) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:12:08 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] UTD thanks Message-ID: Great tournament and hospitality. Thanks to everyone especially Chris Burk and Scott Herndon who made this tournament happen. We'll be back next year. Kurt "Thumpy" Thampy Eapen Thampy Shawn "SMS didn't strike me???" Borich From lsd041 Mon Jan 10 17:20:42 2005 From: lsd041 (Scott Deatherage) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 17:20:42 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] PLEASE READ: Orrington Hotel Reminder, Etc. Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20050110170813.01dbc8f8@lulu.it.northwestern.edu> 1. Reminder: The block rate expires this Friday, January 14. The tournament rate is $109. That's effectively $99 b/c the internet connections in each room are free. If you make reservations AFTER the 14th, the cost is the rac rate, which I believe is $149 (I think). 847-866-8700. There is a link in the invite for a web page where you can enter. 2. The Orrington is indeed out of "double doubles." That's in part b/c the re-construction on a couple of floors is not yet complete. Implicatations: A. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE: If you are overbooked, DO NOT call the Orrington. Tell me. I'll hand them off to someone who needs them. If you release them, they go back to the general population and someone unaffiliated with the tournament will get them. I've handled this in this manner for several years, and we've never had a billing problem. B. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE: If you have a "double double" booked where you in fact only need a King -- a room w/ only one person in it, for example -- let me know and I'll switch your reservation to a King and add your extra double double to my stock. C. If you are broke and must have double doubles, you have two alternative hotel options in Evanston. The best is the Hilton Inn and Garden Suites: 847-475-6400. The Hilton is newer and nicer than the Best Western (formerly the Holiday Inn), but you can check w/ both. The Best Western is at 847-491-6400. 3. Entries are now accessible at www.debateresults.com. 105 teams have entered to date. Enter at your leisure. See you in February. Best. SD Scott Deatherage Director of Debate Northwestern University Evanston, Illinois From arsenalgunners2 Tue Jan 11 13:22:24 2005 From: arsenalgunners2 (Mick Souders) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 19:22:24 +0000 Subject: [eDebate] Weber RR Message-ID: could someone aiding the administration of this tournament email me asap? i have a question i need answered asap. thanks! Michael C. Souders, Graduate Assistant Debate and Forensics Program Department of Communicative Arts & Sciences Eastern New Mexico University From ucodebate Tue Jan 11 15:46:34 2005 From: ucodebate (ucodebate at att.net) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 21:46:34 +0000 Subject: [eDebate] James Lawson Message-ID: <011120052146.12753.41E44939000E45E7000031D121603763160A9B0E0D0A0B010C9A@att.net> James, I need a more current address from you to pay you for your rounds at our tourny. thanks, jason- Director of Debate 100 N. University Ave. Department of Communication University of Central Oklahoma Edmond, OK 73034 (405) 974-5584 (o) bronze.ucok.edu/debate_team/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The tournament will consist of three CEDA divisions: Open, Junior, and Novice ~ but we will collapse divisions if low numbers warrant. We will use the CEDA definitions for all divisions. In each division, there will be six preliminary rounds of debate competition on the 2004-2005 CEDA resolution. The appropriate number of elimination rounds will follow. All divisions will use the 9-3-6 format with ten minutes of preparation time. We will not break brackets for elimination rounds. Rounds I and II will be preset. There will be a very limited number of judges for hire. Please enter soon if you plan on hiring judges. Due to classroom restrictions, we will have to start Round 1 later than usual (6:00 p.m.). We will provide snacks between rounds 1 and 2. There are several sandwich shops very close to campus if you want to drop off your tubs in Calhoun Hall and eat before round 1. Should anyone need airport transportation or any other help, please let us know and we will try to be of assistance. We hope to see you on the weekend before Valentine's Day ? boxed candy and roses for the Tournament Director optional! Sincerely, M. L. Sandoz, vandy. debate at juno .com Director of Debate (615) 322-3784 Office (615) 673-7340 Home (615) 343-7918 Fax and Carolyn Cusick Assistant Coach Carolyn.m.cusick at vanderbilt.edu and Chad Lykins Assistant Coach chad.r.lykins at Vanderbilt.edu TOURNAMENT INFORMATION ENTRIES: Schools may enter any number of teams in any division. CEDA definitions for all divisions will be used. This is a sanctioned CEDA tournament. JUDGES: Schools must provide a qualified judge for every two teams or fraction thereof entered. There will be only a small number of judges available for hire. If you can provide qualified judges for hire, please let us know. All judges are obligated 1 round after their teams are eliminated. AWARDS: All teams reaching elimination rounds will receive awards. In addition, Speaker Awards will be given to the top 10 speakers in each division. Speaker Awards will be based on adjusted speaker points (dropping high and low), then total speaker points, then double adjusted speaker points, then z-scores, then ranks. FORMAT: Six preliminary rounds and the appropriate number of elimination rounds will be offered in each division. The 2004-2005 CEDA resolution will be used with the 9-3-6 minute format. Preparation time will be limited to 10 minutes. Rounds I and II will be randomly paired. Rounds III and V will be paired high/high based on cumulative records. Rounds IV and VI will be paired high/low within brackets and side constraints. FORFEIT RULE: A 15-minute forfeit rule will be strictly enforced. CEDA STATEMENT ON SEXUAL DISCRIMINATION: This tournament abides by the CEDA Statement on Sexual Discrimination and encourages an inclusive atmosphere for all those participating. Insofar as possible, the procedures in the CEDA Statement on Sexual Discrimination will be followed for complaints based on race, gender, or sexual orientation. FEES: Entry fees of $90 per team and judging fees of $100 per each uncovered team will be collected at registration. All changes/drops at registration will result in a $15 fee. DEADLINE: All teams must be entered by 5:00 p.m. (CDT) on Monday, February 7, 2005. We prefer entries be made through debateresults.com. Alternative methods are to call entries to (615) 322-3784 or fax to (615) 343-7918 (include phone number in case we need additional information) or E-mail entries to vandy.debate at juno.com. All entries not made through debateresults.com will be confirmed by phone, fax or e-mail. Phone changes no later than 1:00 p.m. Thursday, February 10, 2005. TOURNAMENT SCHEDULE Thursday, February 10, 2005 7:30-9:00 Registration at Sheraton Friday, February 11, 2005 2:00-3:30 Late Registration 213 Calhoun Hall 5:00 Pairings Released Lobby of Calhoun 6:00 Round 1 8:00 Round 2 Saturday, February 12, 2005 8:00 Pairings released (Calhoun) 8:30 Round 3 11:00 Round 4 1:00 Lunch 2:00 Pairings Released 2:30 Round 5 5:30 Round 6 Breaks posted at Sheraton Sunday, February 13, 2005 8:30 Pairings released for first elimination round 9:00 First elimination round 11:30 Awards ceremony 12:30 Elimination rounds continue ENTRY FORM School: ____________________ Director: ____________________ Address: ___________________ Phone: ______________________ Cell: ___________________ Email: ______________________ Team 1: ____________________ and ____________________ Open JV Novice Team 2: ____________________ and ____________________ Open JV Novice Team 3: ____________________ and ____________________ Open JV Novice Team 4: ____________________ and ____________________ Open JV Novice Team 5: ____________________ and ____________________ Open JV Novice Team 6: ____________________ and ____________________ Open JV Novice Willing to judge extra? Yes/ No Judge 1:___________________________________/_____ Restrictions: Judge 2: __________________________________/______ Restrictions: Judge 3: __________________________________/_____ Restrictions: Tournament Fees Number of teams _________ X $90 = ______ Number of Uncovered Teams _________ X $100 = ______ Late Drop Fee _________ X $15 = ______ Total Fees Due = ________ GENERAL INFORMATION LODGING: The Sheraton will be holding a block of rooms until January 11, 2005. Sheraton Nashville Downtown: (615) 259-2000 or 1-800-447-9825 Rate: $89.00 The address is 623 Union Street, Nashville, TN 37219 Airport Shuttle: Airport Express (615) 275-1180 M. L. Sandoz Vanderbilt University Director of Debate 615-322-3784 (O), 615-322-2307 (O) 615-343-7918 (F), 615-673-7340 (H) ___________________________________________________________________ Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/month -visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! From berchnorto Tue Jan 11 17:05:57 2005 From: berchnorto (NEIL BERCH) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 18:05:57 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Thanks to Miami! Message-ID: On behalf of the WVU Debate Team, I want to thank Dave Steinberg and the University of Miami Debate team for a fantastic tournament. Our novices (and 1 JV debater) enjoyed fantastic competition in varsity, the tournament ran smoothly, the extra events like the beach party were a big hit (almost made me regret passing this tournament in favor of East Regionals in Burlington, VT in February), and Hurricane squad (with the notable exception of Alex Acosta) provided great hospitality. Oh, our folks did not disapprove of the 80 degree weather either. --Neil Berch West Virginia University P.S. Actually, I'm told Alex wasn't so bad either. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20050111/8cf06d90/attachment.html From berchnorto Tue Jan 11 18:40:14 2005 From: berchnorto (NEIL BERCH) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 19:40:14 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] WVU varsity division--estimates appreciated Message-ID: Hi, everyone! We've had a couple of schools asking who is coming so they can be sure the division we'll make. We've got 8 entered already (3 each from Towson and WVU, 1 each from Case Western and John Carroll). My sense is we can expect at least another half dozen, but I'd be really appreciative of early estimates for the varsity division (and others, if possible), so I can let folks on the fence know (and I also need to talk to food providers this week anyway). The invite is pasted below again just for fun (note the entry fee of zero, the three free meals, the bowling tournament, the special awards, the reception for women debaters, coaches, and judges, and the cheap hotel rates--with deadline coming up at the end of next week). --Neil Berch West Virginia University November 15, 2004 Dear Friends and Colleagues: On behalf of the West Virginia University Debate team, I am pleased to invite you to the fifth annual John A. Jacobsohn Memorial Mountaineer Classic Debates, to be held in Morgantown, February 4-6, 2005. The tournament, sponsored by WVU's Eberly College of Arts and Sciences, will be sanctioned by CEDA, ADA, and SAMBA. As indicated, the tournament will honor the memory of our late colleague John Jacobsohn. The Sunday awards ceremony will feature the presentation of the 5th annual Jacobsohn award to a member of the debate community who has also done significant public service. We expect to be joined at the ceremony by Professor Jacobsohn's family. Previous winners of the Jacobsohn Award: 2001: Frank Harrison, Trinity University 2002: Larry Watts, Mansfield University 2003: Chris Baron, Baltimore Urban Debate League, and Sarah Snider, Marshall-Brennan Urban Debate League 2004: Maxwell Schnurer, Marist College We will hold 6 preliminary rounds of debate in each division (varsity, junior varsity, and novice), followed by the appropriate number of elimination rounds. We will clear up to half of the teams in each division. In the unlikely event that it is necessary to hold partial double octafinals, we will do so on Saturday night. Because we expect to take a substantial loss on the tournament (see below for why!), WVU teams may participate in preliminary rounds in larger numbers than usual. However, WVU teams will not be eligible for elimination rounds or speaker awards. The resolution will be this year's national policy debate resolution, and the time limits will be 9-3-6, with ten minutes of preparation time for each side. Rounds one and two will be pre-set. Rounds three through six will be power matched (none will be lagged). We will operate under the rules of the ADA, a copy of which may be obtained upon request. We will also observe the CEDA by-laws. The WVU debate team supports CEDA's sexual harassment policy, and we will enforce it. Eligibility for junior varsity and novice divisions will be as determined by the ADA rules. Hybrid teams are eligible to participate, and they will be eligible to qualify for elimination rounds. Awards will be given to the top eight teams in the novice and junior varsity divisions, as well as the top four teams in varsity, and to the top 10 speakers in the novice and junior varsity divisions, and the top three speakers in varsity. Ties between teams will be broken on the basis of: 1. adjusted points 2. total points 3. opponent wins 4. coin flip Speaker awards will be based upon adjusted points. Ties will be broken by: 1. total points 2. judge variance Special awards will be presented to: 1) the school that wins the most debates during preliminary rounds; 2) the school that is not ranked in the NDT top 50 as of February 1, 2005 winning the most debates during preliminary rounds; 3) the novice speaker with the highest speaker points in her/his first or second lifetime debate tournament (the "Best Newcomer" Award); 4) the highest ranked JV team where both members have remaining novice eligibility (the "Movin' On Up" award); if there is no such team, the award will go to the highest ranked varsity team where both members have remaining jv eligibility. 5) the judge whose written ballots are deemed by the tab room staff to be the most educational (the Neil Butt Award). Judges: Each school is responsible for providing a qualified judge for each one or two teams entered in the tournament. A judge will be responsible for covering three preliminary rounds for each team entered. All judges are required to judge through the quarter final round or one round after your last team is eliminated, whichever occurs later (though we will of course do our best to get eliminated schools on the road as early as possible). A VERY LIMITED number of judges will be available for hire at $100 per uncovered team. If you need to hire judges, please enter early! Unless we have an unexpectedly small entry, we will use a mutually preferred judging system. All preferences received prior to round 1 will go into effect for round 3. Entries: Please send your entries by 4:00 PM on Tuesday, February 1, 2005. Entries should be made through the ultra-fantastic Bruschke Web Page (www.debateresults.com). TOURNAMENT ENTRY IS FREE FOR ALL TEAMS (though we reserve the right to charge a nuisance fee of $50 for voluminous late drops), but we will still provide a variety of amenities, including dinner between rounds 1 and 2 on Friday night, lunch between rounds 3 and 4 on Saturday, lunch after the awards ceremony on Sunday, a hospitality room with healthy and less-healthy snacks, awards, a Saturday night bowling tournament (with one lucky recipient to be chosen for the Maxwell Schnurer Bowling Award), and a reception for women coaches and debaters on Friday night. Entries may be sent by telephone (304-293-3811, ext. 5290), fax (304-293-8644, or e-mail (berchnorto at msn.com). We would be especially appreciative of early entry estimates. Changes on the day of the tournament should be made via email or cell phone (412-445-3957). The tournament hotel will be the Hampton Inn of Morgantown. Pairings will be distributed there on Saturday and Sunday mornings, and the Friday night reception for women coaches and debaters (sponsored by STAND) will take place there as well. Our block has a flat rate of $60 for up to 4 people, with continental breakfast included. The direct number for the Hampton Inn is 304-599-1200, or you may use the national reservations number (1-800-Hampton). Please use the code for our block (EAS). Our contact at the Hampton Inn is Mr. Jody White. If you run into problems, please let me know. The deadline for the block is January 22. Schedule (and please note that we will vigorously enforce the 15 minute forfeit rule. Please also note that we are attempting to operate on more college student-friendly hours. We will end late on both Friday and Saturday evenings, but you will leave already having had dinner.): Friday, February 4: 3:30 PM-4:30 PM: Registration on the 3rd floor of Woodburn Hall (the building with the clock). Most business will already have been done via email. 5:00 Opening meeting 5:30 Round 1 7:45 Dinner break (sandwiches, probably from Subway) 8:15 Round 2 11:00 Reception for women judges, coaches, and debaters at the Hampton Inn, hosted by WVU Assistant Coach Becky Evans-Wilson, and others. Saturday, February 5: 8:30 Round 3 pairings available at Hampton Inn and at Woodburn Hall 10:00 Round 3 12:00 lunch-probably pizza 1:15 Round 4 4:00 Round 5 6:00 Dinner on your own (please note the Food Court in the Mountainlair just across the street from the tournament rooms. It features a burger place, a Sbarro's, a sandwich shop, and a Chinese fast food establishment, which has a fantastic tofu dish that is vegan-compliant). 7:15 Round 6 9:45 Bowling Party in Mountainlair (last year, more than half the schools participated, and teams that participated did well on Sunday!) Sunday, February 6: 7:30 Elimination round pairings released at Hampton Inn and Woodburn Hall. 8:30 First elimination round 10:45 Awards Ceremony 11:30 Lunch-probably sandwiches, chips, etc. 12:45 Second elimination round 3:30 Third elimination round 6:00 Fourth elimination round if needed. Morgantown is easily accessible by Interstate 68 from the East, and by Interstate 79 from the North and South. The hills of West Virginia are beautiful any time of the year, but they are especially pretty in February (really!). We hope to see many of you, and we look forward to returning the hospitality that many of you have shown us these past several years. Sincerely, Neil Berch Associate Professor of Political Science and Debate Coach on behalf of the WVU Debate Team DIRECTIONS TO THE HAMPTON INN >From I-79 North: Take exit 155, Star City. Stay in the right lane after you leave the ramp, and bear right at the traffic light. You will cross a bridge and travel through a traffic light. As you reach the top of the hill, you will come to another traffic light. Make a left at that light (on to Patteson Drive). Travel through 3 more traffic lights, and continue until you see the Hampton Inn on your left (just as you come around a bend). >From I-79 South: Take exit 155, Star City. Make a left at the end of the ramp. Get in the right lane, and bear right at the traffic light. You will cross a bridge and travel through a traffic light. As you reach the top of the hill, you will come to another traffic light. Make a left at that light (on to Patteson Drive). Travel through 3 more traffic lights, and continue until you see the Hampton Inn on your left (just as you come around a bend). >From I-68 West: Take exit 7, Pierpont Road, and turn right. Follow for about a mile, and turn left on to 119 South. At the second light, turn right. Continue to the 5th light and turn left on to Van Voorhis Road. The Hampton Inn is about a half mile on your right. To the Mountainlair from Hampton Inn Turn RIGHT out of Hampton Inn Take LEFT at the second stop light Continue straight through light, pass McDonald's (will be on road a little bit) Go STRAIGHT through light at four way intersection, pass large new building and around a loop; Turn LEFT at 2nd light (Spruce Street) after loop (you will have gone about 1.8 miles from the Hampton Inn by then) At stop sign, turn LEFT At stop sign, turn RIGHT (High Street) Take immediate LEFT Park in Area 3 of Mountainlair Garage (furthest entrance) On Friday, you may park in lot 3 in the Mountainlair Garage. WVU debaters will be at the entrance with parking permits. They will also direct you to Woodburn Hall, the tournament headquarters (about a block and a half from the parking area). Please allow a reasonable time to get to Woodburn, as Friday afternoon traffic in Morgantown is surprisingly heavy. After 5pm on Friday, you may park in spaces behind Woodburn that are not designated as reserved or handicapped. On Saturday and Sunday, parking in lot 3 is free, and you may also fight each other for the free (not reserved or handicapped) spaces behind Woodburn. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20050111/aaf61613/attachment.htm From vandy.debate Tue Jan 11 18:46:23 2005 From: vandy.debate (M L Sandoz) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 00:46:23 GMT Subject: [eDebate] Vanderbilt Tournment Message-ID: <20050111.164701.10833.102369@webmail10.lax.untd.com> The hotel has agreed to extend the deadline for group rates until next Tuesday (18th). Phone 1-800-447-9825. M. L. Sandoz Vanderbilt University Director of Debate 615-322-3784 (O), 615-322-2307 (O) 615-343-7918 (F), 615-673-7340 (H) ___________________________________________________________________ Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/month -visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! From jasonlrussell Tue Jan 11 22:03:45 2005 From: jasonlrussell (jason russell) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 23:03:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: [eDebate] Regis -- Send me your affs Message-ID: <20050112040345.E2BF5B6AC@xprdmailfe14.nwk.excite.com> Post haste, foolios. Chop chop. _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! From gregachten Wed Jan 12 00:48:47 2005 From: gregachten (ACHTEN, GREGORY ALAN) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:48:47 -0800 Subject: [eDebate] Enter the Cal Tournament! Message-ID: Hello, 2 things. First, enter the Cal tournament if yu are planning on coming We are trying to make final arrangements and a team count would be very useful. There are several programs that have reserved hotel rooms, but have yet to enter. Don't make me publicly shame you (as you do not want to be listed in the same group as Shawn Whalen). Second, If you are planning on attending the Cal, but do not yet have hotel reservations, the block at the Marriott is sold out. Backchannel me and I will make soe recommendations and try to help you out. There are decent options close to the tournament hotel that are reasonably priced. Also, we will be doing judge preferences online next week so make sure your judge information is correct. Greg From JennyHeidt Wed Jan 12 08:23:36 2005 From: JennyHeidt (Jenny Heidt) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:23:36 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] West Georgia Message-ID: I will turn prefs on late this afternoon. I will post when those are up and running. In the mean time, it would help if any final changes were made on the web page. Also, e-mail me here (jennyh at westminster.net) with any extra rounds or hired judges. We are cutting it close on rounds available--more hired rounds = better prefs. Jenny From lsd041 Wed Jan 12 10:37:23 2005 From: lsd041 (Scott Deatherage) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:37:23 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] Looking to Hire at WGA Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20050112103658.03dba998@lulu.it.northwestern.edu> Looking for 4 prelims. Backchannel if interested. SD Scott Deatherage Director of Debate Northwestern University Evanston, Illinois From dave Wed Jan 12 10:41:05 2005 From: dave (David Steinberg) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 11:41:05 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] CEDA Ballot for New Officers Message-ID: <001b01c4f8c5$8587c5d0$9fe0ab81@com.nb> CROSS EXAMINATION DEBATE ASSOCIATION January 12, 2005 Ballot for new officers Ballots are due by Saturday, February 12, 2005. You are STRONGLY ENCOURAGED to email your ballot to me (David Steinberg) at dave at miami.edu. Please identify your SUBJECT line with "CEDA Ballot". You may fax your ballot to me at 305-284-5216. You may mail your ballot to me at P.O. Box 248127, Coral Gables, Florida 33124. ALL MEMBER SCHOOLS MAY VOTE At Large Topic Committee Member (3 year term) VOTE FOR ONE _____Gordon Stables, University of Southern California _____Mike Davis, Georgia State University _____Toni Nielsen, California State University at Long Beach _____Sue Peterson, Pepperdine University _____Katie Baxter-Kauf, University of Buffalo _____Nicole Colston, Miami-Dade College Treasurer (3 year term) _____Kelly McDonald, Arizona State University Executive Secretary (3 year term) _____Jeff Jarman, Wichita State University Second Vice President (5 year term; assume Presidency in 3rd year) _____Ede Warner, University of Louisville Regional Representative Offices (2 year terms) VOTE ONLY FOR YOUR REGION Southeast _____Mike Davis, Georgia State University East Central _____Neil Butt, John Carroll University Mid-American _____Heather Walters, Southwest Missouri State University Northwest _____Glen Frappier, Gonzaga University West _____Kristen Hamilton, California State University at Sacramento Director's name: ___________________________ School: ___________________________ David L. Steinberg, Director of Debate University of Miami PO Box 248127 Coral Gables, FL 33124 Wolfson Building #3015 305-284-5553 (office) 305-284-5216 (fax) dave at miami.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20050112/87d068ab/attachment.html From jwpatt00 Wed Jan 12 11:21:31 2005 From: jwpatt00 (JW Patterson) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:21:31 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] KY Looking to Hire at WGA Message-ID: Looking for judging for 4 prelims. Backchannel if interested. Compensation will be $30/round. Roger Solt will pay by cash at the tournament. Sincerely, JW Patterson Director of UK Debate From jwpatt00 Wed Jan 12 11:08:02 2005 From: jwpatt00 (JW Patterson) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:08:02 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] TOC QUALS: CARROLLTON (GA) Message-ID: > TOC APPLICATIONS: APPLICATIONS AND TOC TOURNAMENT INFORMATION ARE NOW > AVAILABLE FOLLOWING WEBSITE: > > www.uky.edu/studentaffairs/deanofstudent/debate > > PLEASE NOTE: SCHOOLS DEBATING UNDER AN INDEPENDENT NAME AS OPPOSED TO THEIR > SCHOOL NAME CANNOT BE CERTIFIED FOR A BID. SUCH BIDS WILL NOT COUNT TOWARD > QUALIFICATION TO THE TOC. > > DEADLINES: BOTH FULLY-QUALIFIED AND AT-LARGE APPLICATIONS WITH FEES ARE DUE IN > LEXINGTON BY MARCH 15, 2005. PLEASE NOTE, NOT POSTMARKED ON THIS DATE, BUT IN > LEXINGTON BY THIS DATE. > THE ROAD TO THE FIFTH TOC OF THE TWENTY-FIRST CENTURY DATES: SATURDAY, SUNDAY, MONDAY APRIL 30, MAY 1, AND 2, 2005 TOURNAMENT HOTEL: RAMADA INN (ASK FOR INTERNET ACCESSIBILITY) PHONE # - 859-299-1261 (Hotel is rapidly filling) DISCLAIMER: THE RESULTS POSTED FROM EACH TOURNAMENT ARE ALWAYS SUBJECT TO CHANGE IF THE TOURNAMENT DIRECTOR REPORTS THAT A MISTAKE WAS MADE IN THE ORIGINAL CERTIFICATION. IT SHOULD ALSO BE NOTED THAT THE NAMES ARE SPELLED AS REPORTED BY THE TOURNAMENT DIRECTOR AND ARE SUBJECT TO CORRECTION IF A MISSPELLING HAS APPEARED. 1) TOURNAMENT DIRECTORS PLEASE NOTE: WHEN CERTIFYING THE TOC QUALIFIERS PLEASE INCLUDE FULL NAME, SCHOOL, AND STATE OF THE DEBATERS. 2) COACHES AND DEBATERS PLEASE NOTE: A DEBATER IN LD OR A TEAM IN POLICY MUST ACTUALLY PARTICIPATE IN A QUALIFYING ROUND TO RECEIVE A TOC 'BID.' IN OTHER WORDS, IF A DEBATER OR TEAM DOES NOT DEBATE THE ROUND FOR WHATEVER REASON THEY CANNOT RECEIVE A TOC 'BID' FOR THAT ROUND. THIS REQUIREMENT WAS OVERWHELMINGLY RECOMMENDED BY THE TOC ADVISORY COMMITTEE . CARROLLTON (GA) The Director of the Peach State Classic in Carrollton, GA, has certified the TOC qualifiers for 2005. Carrollton is a TOC qualifier in policy debate at the finals level. POLICY ? Rob Mulholand & Karen Harrison Celebration (FL) Thi Lam & JerMeen Sherman Grady (GA) Sincerely, JW Patterson TOC Director and Founder -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20050112/ed39329f/attachment.htm From cheodekirk Wed Jan 12 11:53:25 2005 From: cheodekirk (Scott Odekirk) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:53:25 +0000 Subject: [eDebate] Regis -- Send me your affs In-Reply-To: <20050112040345.E2BF5B6AC@xprdmailfe14.nwk.excite.com> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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COTTAGE HILL ROAD Carrollton, GA 30117 Phone: 770-838-7722 Directions: for those of you that've been before, it's just behind the Kroger and in front of the Holiday Inn Express, just off Hwy 27/ South Park Street (same basic location as the old tournament hotel, but on the other side of the street). if you're coming from the ATL into Carrollton, you're gonna end up on Hwy 61 South and making a turn onto "the bypass"- Hwy 166 West (important, it's WEST, not 166 EAST, which heads back to ATL). when on 166 West, you'll come to an exit sign for Carrollton/LaGrange. get off there and turn left at the light. you'll see shopping center with WalMart and Kroger on you right. Hampton Inn is further down on the right. From dbteam Wed Jan 12 12:46:03 2005 From: dbteam (dbteam) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:46:03 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Starrcade MMV - Be There!!! Message-ID: <41DE9F45@cliff.westga.edu> The World Debate Governing Council is pleased to announce that negotiations have been completed on Starrcade MMV, to be held in Carrollton Georgia January 15-17, 2005. Many dramatic events have transpired in the last year. The WDA belts were unified and divided several times in the spring of 2004, with tag teams from Cambridge, Berkeley, Atlanta, Denton, and Lansing all holding one of the titles (USA and World) at one time or another. Of course, everyone knows that the USA and World belts were unified at the 2004 NDT by Michigan State grapplers Greta Stahl and Dave Strauss, who outlasted the team of Dan Shalmon and Tejinder Singh in a grueling match that lasted nearly 3 hours. The image of their manager, Sweet William/Bad Billy Repko, raising his fist in triumph as the decision was announced was a moment that will remain embedded in the rock of WDA history forever. What is less known is the aftermath. Greta Stahl and Dave Strauss parlayed their success into a financial windfall by competing in Japan over the summer. Their story ended tragically however, as Dave Strauss would not return to the US. His death is still a mystery, with the allegations that he was murdered by booker/promoter Jose Gonzales never confirmed. What is known is that Greta Stahl vowed never to compete again, and has decided to pursue an acting career (she plays herself in the Summer 2005 blockbuster, Greta Vs. Alien and Predator). The fallout for the WDA is rather simple. The belts are vacant. Although thought lost for good (Greta had thrown the belts out of the window on her flight back from Japan as a way of honoring her fallen partner), the Tsnumanis in the Pacific resulted in the belts washing onto shore in Folly Beach, SC, where they were found and returned to the WDGC offices by the world's most prolific debate and nanotechnology author, David Berube. The belts are back in the hands of WDA officials at the perfect time, as Starrcade MMV is upon us. Carrollton GA is the location for a battle to end all battles (at least until the next battle, that is). The line-up is amazing. More than 50 teams will be in action, including, but not limited to, the following: The Lean Green (Dartmouth CS), The Examinators (Emory AP), The Clap of Doom (NU BM), Blunt Object (Long Beach), the Straight-Laced Ass Kickers (Wake CH), Team Zombie Porn (Texas AM), and the Crimson Tide (Alabama GS), along with many more. It promises to be an exciting weekend, with the US Titles awarded following Saturday's matches and the World Tag-Team titles presented to the survivor's of Monday's single elimination tournament. (please be careful when buying tickets. with action like this on tap, scalpers will be plentiful) see you at ringside! Tony Schiavone From jbruschke Wed Jan 12 13:03:30 2005 From: jbruschke (Bruschke, Jon) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 11:03:30 -0800 Subject: [eDebate] Final Fullerton notes Message-ID: First, two miscues of mine at the awards. I neglected to recognize the Berkeley team of Lin and Richards who closed out a doubles debate with Nathan and Wickersham. Also, the Fullerton team of Montes and Alshiek would have cleared as the 29th seed had Fullerton teams been allowed to clear. We have a green San Remo coat that remained with us as a lost and found item; if it's yours, please let me know. Also, Sara Apel of Texas lost an iPod; if anyone knows where it is please let us know. Thanks to all attendees for a great tournament. We'll be moving to a more spacious venue for the awards next year and will return the video highlights. Take care, Jon ***** Dr. Jon Bruschke, CSU Fullerton jbruschke at fullerton.edu 714-278-3272 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20050112/800d2c5b/attachment.htm From jem144 Wed Jan 12 16:49:13 2005 From: jem144 (jem144 at imap.pitt.edu) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:49:13 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] WEST GA KT Message-ID: <1105570153.41e5a9690a401@webmail.upb.pitt.edu> JOE-- Call me ASAP please. From crockettclay Wed Jan 12 16:43:06 2005 From: crockettclay (clay crockett) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:43:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [eDebate] searching for MU AT Message-ID: <20050112224306.12296.qmail@web30910.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I was just wondering if I could get a site from you.... the cards you read from Hearn on the "ethic of care" aff you were reading at the 2 step, if I could get you to email me back with that site I would really appreciate it. Thanks again, Clay Crockett KCKCC Debate --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20050112/2db88bba/attachment.html From Steven.Woods Wed Jan 12 17:57:55 2005 From: Steven.Woods (Steven Woods) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:57:55 -0800 Subject: [eDebate] Call for papers and other submissions for 2005 Conference on Peace Message-ID: <5220AAA9AAB8C44FA718519E06B47E8920A6B5@EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu> Hey Everyone, The following is a call for papers that I hope you all will find interesting and consider submitting to. This will be the second year of the conference, and are hoping to expand the number of participants. We also are seeking creative suggestions and ideas to help build the conference to make it the best experience possible. Please do not hesitate to contact us with any questions you may have. CASCAID Community Advocacy Support Center A community service program sponsored by the Western Washington University Debate Union Call for Submissions for the 2005 CASCAID Advocacy Conference on Peace The CASCAID Advocacy Conference is an opportunity for advocates and activists to come together to exchange ideas academic and practical. The emphasis is on ways to improve advocacy skills by sharing experiences, methods, and ideas related to building civil discourse and grassroots political action and awareness. The theme this year is Peace*. CASCAID is seeking contributions that address peace promotion and the building of a peace infrastructure in society. Consideration of historical and ongoing conflicts would be appropriate, as well as general examinations of the concept and theory of "peace." Who should submit? We seek original works and ideas from all persons. Undergraduates are particularly encouraged to submit. We will consider works that have been used for course work provided they are revised and appropriate to the conference theme. All other members of the academic community are welcome to submit as well. In addition, those who are not members of the academic community should feel free to contribute, especially those from non-governmental organizations, community groups, and the activist community. What to submit: Please note some of the unique categories for our conference Papers. We are seeking academic papers on the conference theme. These papers may involve theory, critical perspectives, narrative, historical case studies, and other forms of inquiry and knowledge building. Papers should include a cover page containing an abstract and authorship information, along with contact information including phone and e-mail. Submissions by undergraduate students should indicate their status on the cover page as well. Workshop Proposals. Uniquely, we also seek alternative means of expression and knowledge dispersal such as workshops on activism, advocacy training, practical skills mentoring, role playing, and other creative means of helping persons to be enabled to pursue peace. Workshops should be designed to assist persons seeking to improve their advocacy skills who may have limited experience in public participation. Proposals should include a description of the activity or pedagogical method, the goals of the workshop, and identify those who will be facilitating. Include a cover page containing an abstract and authorship/facilitator information, along with contact information including phone and e-mail. Discussion Panel Proposals. Persons with experience in community activism may want to propose panels of discussion relating to method and experience. These proposals should have a theme or topic identified, along with the participants and the contributions that each will make. Include a cover page containing an abstract of the panel along with participant biographies, along with contact information including phone and e-mail for the organizer/chair of the panel. Paper abstracts. While first consideration for paper inclusion will be given to the above submissions, abstracts for papers will be considered. Abstracts that are accepted are expected to be completed papers for presentation at the conference. Be sure to include contact information including phone and e-mail. Media. Original films, documentaries, videos, recordings, and other forms of mediated programs related to the theme of peace will be considered. Submit a copy of work on VHS or DVD (preferred). Submissions that are accepted will be featured in the opening nights film festival. Art. Written works (poetry, prose, etc.) and visual arts (paintings, prints, photography, sculpture, etc.) will be accepted related to conference theme. For those artistic works that can be performed, time will be made available the opening night of the conference for the artist to present their work. Works that are displayed will be on exhibit throughout the conference, with a panel time scheduled for artists to be available to interact with viewers. For visual works submit a photograph or video of the work for consideration. Preference for consideration will be given to complete papers or workshop proposals. Special Award Opportunity for Undergraduates: In order to recognize the outstanding work of undergraduate students, the top paper submitted by an undergraduate student will be recognized at the conference with the CASCAID Contribution to Advocacy Award and $250 honorarium. Submissions: Deadline Materials received by Friday, April 15, 2005 will receive full consideration. Materials received after that date will be reviewed and accepted at the discretion of the conference organizers. Contributors who submit by the deadline will receive notice within 1 week of the status of their work. By E-mail: Electronic submissions (Microsoft Word) should be sent to steven.woods at wwu.edu Please put "CASCAID CONFERENCE" in subject line By Mail: CASCAID CONFERENCE 2005 c/o Dr. Steve Woods Dept. of Communication MS9162 Western Washington University Bellingham WA 98225-9162 Conference Logistics: Dates: May 20 and 21, 2005 Location: Western Washington University, Bellingham WA Registration is free! Schedule: Conference will open Friday, May 20th with an opening gathering on campus at 7PM and a peace themed movie festival on campus along with performances and screenings of works by of contributing artists/participants. Presentations will start at 10AM Saturday and run until 6PM. Time will also be scheduled to allow for socializing and networking amongst conference participants. Lodging: No official conference hotel is selected. There are a variety of reasonable and moderately priced hotels, as well as ritzy and plush, in the Bellingham area. (For assistance it may be helpful to consult http://travel.yahoo.com/p-hotel-480152-bellingham_hotels-i) Transport: Bellingham does have an airport, but generally the best fares are to Seattle's SeaTac airport. Bellingham is also served by Amtrak. Bellingham is about 80 miles north of Seattle on I-5. There is a shuttle bus that runs between Bellingham and SeaTac (www.airporter.com). Bellingham is also only an hour away from Vancouver, BC. Amenities: Beverages and snacks will be provided throughout the conference. Conference participants should feel free to dress casually. The facilities for the conference will be in the newly opened Communication building on campus. Mediated presentation spaces will be available if required. Bellingham has great restaurants and nightlife. Mt. Baker ski area will likely still be open in May and is an hour away from Bellingham. The WWU campus overlooks Bellingham bay, and has an outstanding outdoor art collection. Weather in Bellingham for that time of year is mild, though possibly wet. (For further information www.bellingham.org and www.wwu.edu) Proceedings: Select completed papers and workshop materials received for the Conference will be published in a Proceedings document made available online. *Keywords related to possible subject matter for proposals: International conflict, ethnic conflict, civil disturbances, war, human rights violations, oppression, specific examples of conflict current and historical, avoidance of conflict, liberation movements, terrorism, civil disobedience, civil discourse, non-violence theory, non-violence practice and training, non-violent communication, domestic violence, conflict resolution, ecological balance and sustainability, war metaphors, media portrayals of conflict and violence, roots of violence, resource conflict, economic disruption and displacement, (de)colonization, movement theory, gender conflicts, non-governmental actions, genocide, peacekeeping, weapons of mass destruction, construction of threats, nuclearism, militarism, use of force for political goals, pre-emptive uses of force, just war theory, refugees, statism. This list is for illustrative purposes it is not intended to be exclusive. Feel free to define peace by operational means through your proposal. CASCAID is a community service project of the Western Debate Union. Mission Statement: CASCAID will assist persons from the community in developing advocacy skills by providing training and feedback, research assistance, and strategy consultation. CASCAID will prioritize issues of environmental sustainability, quality and health, and issues of social justice and resource equity. CASCAID's goal is to increase citizen participation and voice in governance and the policy-making process. From lsd041 Wed Jan 12 19:04:35 2005 From: lsd041 (Scott Deatherage) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 19:04:35 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] Looking for Hybrid for Baylor/Berkeley Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20050112185846.03e053d8@lulu.it.northwestern.edu> An eager and hard working young Northwestern freshman seeks a colleague with whom he can debate at Baylor or Berkeley on the weekend of January 22-24. He is pleasant, hard working, and promises to bathe regularly. Interested parties please back channel to this address. Best. SD Scott Deatherage Director of Debate Northwestern University Evanston, Illinois From JennyHeidt Wed Jan 12 18:47:35 2005 From: JennyHeidt (Jenny Heidt) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 19:47:35 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] West Georgia Prefs Open Message-ID: The team and judge entry has been closed. I think that I made all of the changes that people asked for but please e-mail me with anything that I missed or anything new at westgatab at hotmail.com It is unlikely that I will be able to access this account from West GA so do not send things to me here. Pref entry is now open. Please enter your pref data between now and noon EST on Friday. I will close the web page at that time and other pref sheets will have to be done by hand (a bit tedious and more error prone), so please get them in ASAP. You will see that each judge counts as one unit, regardless of the number of rounds they are judging. We are asking for 6 people in categories 1-5 and 5 people in categories 6-9. I will post the tournament schedule and some other logistical notes tomorrow. Thanks, Jenny From gsudebate Wed Jan 12 20:00:13 2005 From: gsudebate (Joe Bellon) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:00:13 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] GSU looking to hire judging for Berkeley Message-ID: I need at least 3 hired rounds and would prefer more. I'll pay $25 per round. Any takers? Thanks Joe Bellon Director of Debate Georgia State University From delliott Wed Jan 12 20:28:07 2005 From: delliott (Darren Elliott) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:28:07 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] Herndon or Burk Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.1.20050112202741.01c60240@kckcc.toto.net> Could one of you backchannel me at your earliest convenience please? Thanks Chief From delliott Wed Jan 12 20:38:01 2005 From: delliott (Darren Elliott) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:38:01 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] UNT/UTD and Tuna Thanks Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.1.20050112202814.01c5ffa8@kckcc.toto.net> The KCKCC squad of Clay, Garrett, Laura, Ashley-Michelle, Peter, John, Skippy and Chief would like to send a great thank you to these two fine squads. Both parts of the Texas Two-Step were simply fabulous. Great competition, great food, great hospitality and great schedules. If you missed it you truly missed out. I cant think of a more hospitable trio of coaches than Brian Lain, Chris Burk and Scott Herndon. Congrats to KCK alum Austin Case and his partner Malcolm Gordon of UMKC--winning UNT and in Semis at UTD. Also congrats to Texas for their performace at UTD. In JV kudos to UTSA for two fine tournaments and OU and SELA for outstanding competition. Also, thanks to Tuna "I'm Excellent" Snider. He runs a great tab and is an all around good guy. Hope everyone made it home safely. See you soon! Chief Darren Elliott Director of Debate KCKCC From nicole.serrano Thu Jan 13 05:50:19 2005 From: nicole.serrano (Nicole Serrano) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 06:50:19 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Boston Area Judges - call again Message-ID: <2b71933305011303508166756@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I'm still hiring judges for this weekend's tournament at Lexington high School. The tournament begins Friday at 3pm and has its final round on Sunday. In addition I have a Round Robin on Monday and Tuesday for which I'm in need of judges. Please pass this on to other people y'all think might be interested. contact me at nserrano at sch.ci.lexington.ma.us thanks and good luck to those debating this weekend! Nicole Serrano Director of Policy Debate Lexington High School From JennyHeidt Thu Jan 13 06:51:35 2005 From: JennyHeidt (Jenny Heidt) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 07:51:35 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] West Georgia Prefs Message-ID: There is something wrong with the prefs. I cannot fix it for a few hours (pesky classes!) but will post when it is all actually working. Jenny From privethedge Thu Jan 13 07:47:33 2005 From: privethedge (Duane Hyland) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 05:47:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [eDebate] WACFL REALLLY Needs Judges Message-ID: <20050113134733.4398.qmail@web50904.mail.yahoo.com> HI, Three local schools are in need of judges for this weekends WACFL tourney. I know it's West Georgia and GMU weekend, but if you aren't going to those, and you can judge - let me know. The tourney is at T. A. Edison high school off the Beltway in Alexandria. I hate to turn kids away, but without judging, I may have to. Please, if you can help - let me know. Duane "You may be whatever you resolve to be." Thomas J. Jackson" "If all mankind minus one were of one opinion and only one person were of the contrary opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that person that he, if he had the power, would be in silencing mankind? If the opinion is right, they are deprived of the opportunity of exchanging error for truth; if wrong, they lose, what is almost as great a benefit, the clearer perception and livelier impression of truth, produced by its collision with error." John S. Mill --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20050113/26c95641/attachment.htm From jwpatt00 Thu Jan 13 09:55:15 2005 From: jwpatt00 (JW Patterson) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:55:15 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] TOC: Blake, NFA, Redlands, Gonzaga, and Victory Briefs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MISSING RESULTS: WE ARE CURRENTLY MISSING RESULTS FROM VALLEY, USC, MBA, and Auburn [WA]. Under our new rules, these results should have been reported by January 1, 2005 in order to count as a bid. NOTE CAREFULLY: UNLESS RESULTS FROM USC, VALLEY, AND AUBURN ARE RECEIVED BY JANUARY 25TH THESE TOURNAMENTS WILL BE REMOVED AS A TOC QUALIFIER FOR 2006 AND THOSE WHO RECEIVED QUALIFICATIONS THERE THIS YEAR WILL NOT BE ELLIGIBLE TO USE THESE TOURNAMENTS AS BIDS. TOC APPLICATIONS: APPLICATIONS AND TOC TOURNAMENT INFORMATION ARE NOW AVAILABLE AT THE FOLLOWING WEBSITE: www.uky.edu/studentaffairs/deanofstudent/debate PLEASE NOTE: SCHOOLS DEBATING UNDER AN INDEPENDENT NAME AS OPPOSED TO THEIR SCHOOL NAME CANNOT BE CERTIFIED FOR A BID. SUCH BIDS WILL NOT COUNT TOWARD QUALIFICATION TO THE TOC. > > DEADLINES: BOTH FULLY-QUALIFIED AND AT-LARGE APPLICATIONS WITH FEES ARE DUE IN > LEXINGTON BY MARCH 15, 2005. PLEASE NOTE, NOT POSTMARKED ON THIS DATE, BUT IN > LEXINGTON BY THIS DATE. > > THE ROAD TO THE FIFTH TOC OF THE TWENTY-FIRST CENTURY > DATES: SATURDAY, SUNDAY, MONDAY > APRIL 30, MAY 1, AND 2, 2005 > > TOURNAMENT HOTEL: RAMADA INN (ASK FOR INTERNET ACCESSIBILITY) > > PHONE # - 859-299-1261 (Hotel is rapidly filling) > > DISCLAIMER: THE RESULTS POSTED FROM EACH TOURNAMENT ARE ALWAYS SUBJECT TO > CHANGE IF THE TOURNAMENT DIRECTOR REPORTS THAT A MISTAKE WAS MADE IN THE > ORIGINAL CERTIFICATION. IT SHOULD ALSO BE NOTED THAT THE NAMES ARE SPELLED AS > REPORTED BY THE TOURNAMENT DIRECTOR AND ARE SUBJECT TO CORRECTION IF A > MISSPELLING HAS APPEARED. > > 1) TOURNAMENT DIRECTORS PLEASE NOTE: WHEN CERTIFYING THE TOC QUALIFIERS PLEASE > INCLUDE FULL NAME, SCHOOL, AND STATE OF THE DEBATERS. > > 2) COACHES AND DEBATERS PLEASE NOTE: A DEBATER IN LD OR A TEAM IN POLICY MUST > ACTUALLY PARTICIPATE IN A QUALIFYING ROUND TO RECEIVE A TOC 'BID.' IN OTHER > WORDS, IF A DEBATER OR TEAM DOES NOT DEBATE THE ROUND FOR WHATEVER REASON THEY > CANNOT RECEIVE A TOC 'BID' FOR THAT ROUND. THIS REQUIREMENT WAS OVERWHELMINGLY > RECOMMENDED BY THE TOC ADVISORY COMMITTEE . > > Blake (MN) > > Gregg Fishbein, Co-Director of the Blake Holiday Debate Tournament in > Minnesota, has certified the TOC Qualifiers for 2005. The Blake Tournament is > a TOC Qualifier in Policy at the semi-final level and in Lincoln Douglas > Debate at the quarter-final level. Policy Lauren Sabino and Justin Wilhelm Canton Central (OH) Grant Dasher and Nathan Elliott Edina (MN) Elizabeth Kim and Mima Lazarevic Glenbrook South (IL) Anusha Deshpande and Stephen Weil Westminster (GA) Lincoln Douglas Darby Vickers Archer (CA) Ernie Rose Des Moines North (IA) Mihir Gupta Edina (MN) Kate Rice Iowa City West (IA) Alex Smith La Jolla (CA) Will Leiter Monte Vista (CA) Prashant Rai Mountain View (CA) Stephen Hess*** Mountain View (CA) Elizabeth Hadaway S.F. Austin (TX) Newbourg Free Academy (NY) ` Sheryl Kaczmarek, Director of the NFA Invitational in New York, has certified the TOC Qualifiers for 2005. NFA is a TOC Qualifier in Lincoln Douglas Debate at the semi-final level and in policy at the quarter-final level. POLICY Jacob Byrne and Josh McLaurin Westminster (GA) Natasha Marback and Forrest Pearce Bronx Science (NY) Lindsay Bouton and Sarah Hasazi Burlington (VT) Lauren Sabino and Justin Wilhelm Canton Central (OH) Zachary Baum and Anubh Shah Edgemont (NY) John Gamble and Nick Greenfield Hanover (NH) Gaby Collins-Fernandez and Joana Sidarov Bronx Science (NY) Shazaad Zainulbhai and Edmund Zagorin Georgetown Day (DC) LINCOLN DOUGLAS Mike Mencher Scarsdale (NY) Matt Shields Scarsdale (NY) John Schultz Westbury (CT) Scott Brainard Niskayuna (NY) REDLANDS (CA) Bill Southworth, Director of the Golden West Tournament of Champions in California, has certified the TOC Qualifiers for 2005. The Golden West is a TOC Qualifier in Policy Debate at the quarter final level. POLICY Amit Bindra and Zack Brown Brookfield Central (WI) Trevor Howell and Raymong Tolentino Dallas Jesuit (TX) Jason Martin and Matt Schuster Dallas Jesuit (TX) Cameron O'Bannon and Taylor Wofford Dallas Jesuit (TX) Matt Berggren and Roi Ceren Damien (CA) Matt Fisher and Greg Friend Glenbrook North (IL) Becca Friedman and Carmen Lee Head Royce (CA) Mathew Andrews and Sam Iola Highland Park (TX) GONZAGA (WA) Glen Frappier, Director of the Gonzaga Debate Tournament in Washington, has certified the TOC Qualifiers for 2005. Gonzaga is a TOC Qualifier in Policy Debate at the Finals Level. POLICY Sam Allen and Richard Boltizar Capital HS (ID) Nathan Cohn and Chris Pierini Auburn HS (WA) VICTORY BRIEFS (CA) Michelin Massey, Director of the Victory Briefs Debate Tournament in California, has certified the TOC Qualifiers for 2005. Victory Briefs is a TOC Qualifier in Lincoln Douglas Debate at the Finals Level. LINCOLN DOUGLAS Elizabeth Hadaway Stephen F. Austin High School (TX) Gagan Biyani Mission San Jose High School (CA) Sincerely, JW Patterson TOC Director and Founder -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20050113/9e471a2f/attachment.html From Rhastaman22 Thu Jan 13 12:40:37 2005 From: Rhastaman22 (Rhastaman22 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 13:40:37 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] North Texas Please Message-ID: <1D15D38E.06828497.3EC333CF@aol.com> could y'all get back to me please? -- Dustin Greenwalt Wayne State From JennyHeidt Thu Jan 13 13:31:07 2005 From: JennyHeidt (Jenny Heidt) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:31:07 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] West Georgia Prefs and schedule Message-ID: The prefs are actually working. Double check team data. I think that all of the changes are OK but there might be something goofy since it disappeared for awhile. You can enter between now and 3 PM EST tomorrow (we made the time later because of the delay). See you tomorrow at registration between 7:00-10:00 PM at the Hampton Inn (not the humanities building!). I will be in the lobby or there will be a sign there pointing you to registration. Call me if you are running late and cannot come to registration for some reason: 404 931-2183. Also, here is the schedule: Saturday: (on your own for breakfast) Pairings for 1 & 2 and coffee & fruit available at 845am 930am Round 1 start time Noon Round 2 start time 230 Lunch provided in Humanities 315pm Pairings for Round 3 4pm Round 3 start time 715pm Round 4 Sunday (on your own for breakfast) Pairings for 5 & 6 and coffee and fruit available at 815am 9am Round 5 start time 1145am Round 6 start time 230pm Lunch provided in Humanities 315pm Pairings for Round 7 4pm Round 7 start time 715pm Round 8 1030pm Awards ceremony in Cahsen Recital Hall 1130pm Party at Hester's house Monday ** ALL elims in the UCC** 730am Pairings for octos available 830am Octofinals From jwpatt00 Thu Jan 13 13:10:06 2005 From: jwpatt00 (JW Patterson) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:10:06 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] TOC Student Congress Message-ID: FOR COMPLETE INFORMATION, INCLUDING APPLICATION AND OTHER ENTRY FORMS, GO TO THE FOLLOWING WEBSITE: www.uky.edu/studentaffairs/deanofstudent/debate UNIVERSITY OF KENTUCKY ANNOUNCES: TOURNAMENT OF CHAMPIONS STUDENT CONGRESS APRIL 30, MAY 1 AND 2, 2005 STUDENT CONGRESS ADDED TO THE KENTUCKY TOC. The University of Kentucky is adding Student Congress to its list of debate events. This adds another debate format to the already existing TOC Policy Debate, Lincoln Douglas Debate, and Public Forum Debate. This action is being taken with the enthusiastic approval and recommendation of the current TOC Congress Directors in Florida: Jason Wysong and Lisa Miller. They hardily recommend this move to Kentucky of the tournament in Florida which they have directed for the last three years to Kentucky. QUALIFICATION STATUS Students with 2 bids are guaranteed entry provided the total number of qualified students does not exceed the cap number of 74: STUDENTS WITH ONE BID CAN APPLY FOR AN AT LARGE. AT LARGE BID APPLICATIONS ARE DUE IN LEXINGTON BY 5 PM ON MARCH 1, 2005. While at large applications must be in by March 1 we will accept fully qualified entries through March 30, 2005. QUALIFYING TOURNAMENTS (OTHERS MAY BE ADDED) Date Tournament Qualifying Level May 2004 NCFL Grand Nationals Semi-Finals June 2004 NFL Nationals Semi-Finals September 2004 Wake Forest University Finals October 2004 Yale University Finals October 2004 University of Pennsylvania Finals October 2004 St... Mark?s Finals November 2004 University of Florida Blue Key Finals November 2004 The Glenbrooks Finals December 2004 Nova Titan Top 6 December 2004 Natick Holly Festival Top 6 January 2005 Crestian Classic Finals January 2005 Emory University Finals February 2005 Stanford University Finals February 2005 University of California-Berkeley Finals February 2005 Harvard University Finals IN ADDITION TO THE ABOVE THE FOLLOWING WILL ALSO COUNT AS QUALIFIERS A. STATE CHAMPIONSHIPS COUNT AS ONE OF TWO REQUIRED BIDS: The top six contestants in a state?s Championship Tournament will receive a leg provided that ONE of the following conditions is met: i. All the students attending the State Championship qualified to that tournament through a competitive district/regional tournament or series of tournaments. ii. If a state?s championship tournament is ?open? to all contestants, there must be 48 or more students competing in Student Congress. B. NFL DISTRICT STUDENT CONGRESS: Qualification to the NFL National Student Congress will count as one of the two required bids. TOURNAMENT DIRECTORS MUST SUBMIT QUALIFIERS As in all other TOC debate events, for a tournament to count as a qualifier the director must submit to me the list of qualifiers, otherwise that tournament cannot be used on either fully qualified applications or at large bids... JUDGES Each school that participates in Student Congress must provide one additional judge regardless of the number of Student Congress entries from that school. ADDITIONAL INFORMATION In the near future an application with schedule and fee information will be posted on our website ( www.uky.edu/studentaffairs/deanofstudent/debate). In addition applications are available through email to the executive secretary for the TOC, Linda Barker at the following email address: llbark0 at uky.edu. Sincerely, JW Patterson TOC Director and Founder -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20050113/478cd424/attachment.htm From overbey Thu Jan 13 14:13:33 2005 From: overbey (Daniel Overbey) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 15:13:33 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Navy Entries Message-ID: Currently we have the following entries: 28 teams in Open. 15 teams in JV. 20 teams in Novice. We have yet to hear from a few schools that I believe will enter soon so I expect this to be a good size tournament. If you have not yet entered, please enter soon so that I can finalize our catering numbers. In response to popular demand for USNA Coffee we will have both breakfasts catered by the Midshipmen Food Services this year whick will be a slight upgrade over last year. If you need another reason to come to Annapolis Roly-Poly will be catering Saturday lunch again this year. Dan From bsumekpk Thu Jan 13 14:56:21 2005 From: bsumekpk (pete bsumek) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 15:56:21 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] need a hybrid novice partner for g. mason Message-ID: <234957d5.be2f9905.bc02e00@mpmail1.jmu.edu> single novice debater (3 tournys of experience) seeks fellow traveler for debate partnership at george mason. eagerly awaiting your reply. Pete Bsumek, Ph.D. Assistant Professor/Dir. of Debate 341 University Blvd. CISAT Modular Bld., Room 100 MSC 2106 School of Communication Studies James Madison University Harrisonburg, VA 22807 (o) 540-568-3386 (h) 540-433-9302 (c) 540-421-4105 (f) 540-568-6059 From delliott Thu Jan 13 15:59:43 2005 From: delliott (Darren Elliott) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 15:59:43 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] JV at Baylor Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.1.20050113155852.01c18220@kckcc.toto.net> Is anyone else taking JV teams to Baylor that havent entered on Bruschke's site? chief Darren Elliott Director of Debate KCKCC From nicholas.dorsey Thu Jan 13 16:28:32 2005 From: nicholas.dorsey (Nicholas Dorsey) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 17:28:32 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Looking to buy rounds at Miami OH Message-ID: <64b4e064e5d4.64e5d464b4e0@cwru.edu> The Case Western debate team is looking to buy rounds at Miami OH this weekend. If you will be there and have available rounds, please let us know. Please email the Director of Debate (Ian Kimbrell) directly at ikimbrell at sbcglobal.net Thank you, Nick Dorsey Case Debate From gregachten Thu Jan 13 17:27:10 2005 From: gregachten (ACHTEN, GREGORY ALAN) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 15:27:10 -0800 Subject: [eDebate] REvised Cal Schedule Message-ID: Hello, Please be aware of the new tourney schedule for Cal. This is a slight modification of the schedule to acomodate the likelihood of a double octafinal. Greg Schedule of Events Friday January 21st 7-10 PM Registration: Marriott Saturday January 22nd 8:00 AM Late registration on campus in Dwinelle Hall: Pairings released on campus and at Marriott: continental breakfast on campus 9:00 AM Round 1 11:30 PM Round 2 2:00 PM Lunch (on your own) 3:00 PM Round 3 (high-high - all others are high low) 6:30 PM Round 4 Coaches Reception at Marriott following round 4. Sunday January 23rd 9:00 AM Round 5 pairings released on campus and at Marriott. 10:00 AM Round 4 12:30 Lunch (on your own) 1:30 PM Round 6 5:00 PM Double Octafinals in Varsity Coaches reception at Marriott as well as posting of teams reaching elimination rounds following round 6 Monday January 24th 8:00 AM Pairings for elimination rounds released at Marriott 9:00 AM Varsity Octofinals at Marriott 11:00 AM Awards Assembly in Marriott Room 12:00 PM Subsequent varsity elimination rounds and initial novice and JV elims From veronica_m_barreto Thu Jan 13 17:46:23 2005 From: veronica_m_barreto (Veronica Barreto) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 15:46:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [eDebate] Val Browning Transportation Message-ID: <20050113234623.15075.qmail@web54707.mail.yahoo.com> I have USC and UM Dearborn's travel arrangements confirmed. If there are any other folks who need to get from the Salt Lake City airport to the Ogden Marriot, please call our cellular at (702) 493-4953. If I can't answer, leave a message and will confirm with you. Please avoid using email since I may not check it in time. Thanks, Veronica -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20050113/fc8b8838/attachment.html From jtedebate Thu Jan 13 19:31:44 2005 From: jtedebate (J T) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 17:31:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [eDebate] Texas Swing thanks Message-ID: <20050114013144.18202.qmail@web20107.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks to the UNT and UTD squads for hosting another excellent swing! The hospitality was second to none. Was there a UNT casebook sent out, or will it be out soon? JT Asst. Debate Coach Emporia State University --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Trevor Andreas UTD Debate From reno Fri Jan 14 00:04:21 2005 From: reno (reno at lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 00:04:21 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] Fear & Loathing in Dallas In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.1.20050112202814.01c5ffa8@kckcc.toto.net> References: <6.0.1.1.1.20050112202814.01c5ffa8@kckcc.toto.net> Message-ID: <20050114000421.i0ypc8s0cog00480@lonestar.utsa.edu> Thanks to Chris and Scott and the UT-D crew for a marvelous experience inDallas. Looking forward to next year! Skip Eno & the UTSAgang ___________________________________________________________________________ *************************************************************************** If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, please notify the sender immediately. The contents of this e-mail do not amend any existing disclosures or agreements unless expressly stated. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Both of the UNT case books can be located at: http://www.debate.unt.edu/casebooks.html If you have any difficulty opening the case books just send me an email and I will forward you the files. Peace, Mike G UNT Debate mike_girouard at yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20050114/5f65649e/attachment.html From bk2nocal Fri Jan 14 09:54:14 2005 From: bk2nocal (Sue Peterson) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 07:54:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [eDebate] External funding issue and decline of debate In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050114155414.41643.qmail@web81604.mail.yahoo.com> Kevin, Nicole, et. al - >From my experience with the SCUDL and the search for funding to fill in after the OSI funding was complete, I would say two things. Most grant writers that we worked with had NO IDEA what we did and when they did understand what we did, they had a difficult time making it jive with what funders were looking for. I think it is going to be left up to us to figure out a way to make our programs more appealing to funders. I think part of this relies on research, but part of this is going to rely on packaging and consistency of the representation of "debate". I think an NCA panel is a great idea, but I would say it is of the utmost importance to bring in representatives from grant writing as well as funding groups (government and/or private) if possible. I think we need to get the outsiders' perspective and understand what it is we can do to help them to help us. This was the hardest part for us at SCUDL - we just don't have the knowledge base to know what they want, so we don't know how to best represent our activity to them. I wish all of you luck in your endeavors. I think we all can benefit from thinking about this issue, since many programs are suffering from threats to their institutional funding and we don't really know who will be next. Just adding my thoughts to Nicole's... Nicole Colston wrote: Hi- I am starting a similar funding campaign/search at Miami Dade College, FL. I would appreciate if you forwarded me any info you gather on external funding and I will gladly do the same for you. Also, Linda Collier wrote a great paper this year on Literacy rates and debate that you should have (attached). I would appreciate any funding/grant-writing "evidence" about the value of debate you may have gathered. I spoke with a grant-writer who spoke bleaky about the possibility of funding without tieing debate to a specific issue area for a several year commitment. This seems to be a horrible situtation for policy teams who don't know the topic area until June/July and only follow it for a year. I envision community debates and outreach as part of my program. But policy debaters need to spend their time largely on competition and prep on the topic area, not fulfilling outside funding requirements. Are there solutions to these problems? Are their community members who have debate specific grant-writing resources and agencies? Anyone interested in putting together an NCA panel on these issues? Just my thoughts, Nicole M. Colston ***************************** Please take a visible stand for peace. ***************************** --------------------------------- Claim your Space NOW! Have fun sharing blogs, photos and music lists online. > ATTACHMENT part 2 application/pdf name=ArgumentforSuccess Linda Collier.pdf Sue Peterson Director of Forensics Pepperdine University "Stand before the people you fear and speak your mind - even if your voice shakes." --Maggie Kuhn, Gray Panther Leader -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Robert Thomas Stanford policy debate coach From hansonjb Fri Jan 14 14:00:21 2005 From: hansonjb (Jim Hanson) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:00:21 -0800 Subject: [eDebate] update your program's information Message-ID: <004c01c4fa73$f4041db0$fb35b944@home> hi i strongly encourage you to update your program's information at the idea database--providing information on nearly 1000 colleges and universities in the united states. hs students view this page to get information on programs--indeed its originating goal was to help in recruiting and outreach to high schools. how to view and update your school's information: go to this page: http://www.idebate.org/projects/forensics/displayprograms.asp find your school (you can use the letters at the top of the screen to quickly take you to your school) click [change] to the right of your school make the needed changes and then click submit the idea team (and sometimes me) approves the changes and posts your updated information (it usually takes several days). jim :) hansonjb at whitman.edu From JennyHeidt Fri Jan 14 14:05:55 2005 From: JennyHeidt (Jenny Heidt) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 15:05:55 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] West Georgia Prefs Closed Message-ID: If you have not turned it in yet, you will have to fill it out at registration. Or, you can e-mail me your rankings at westgatab at hotmail.com See you soon! Jenny From mroberts141 Fri Jan 14 16:21:30 2005 From: mroberts141 (mroberts141 at cox.net) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 17:21:30 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Dave Cram-Helwich, please Message-ID: <20050114222130.UUIH21886.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Could Dave Cram-Helwich please backchannel me? Thanks in advance. M. From iriamenzo Sat Jan 15 17:45:51 2005 From: iriamenzo (Phillip Samuels) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 17:45:51 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] Heart block closing soon Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20050115/cafb0d6e/attachment.html From MDMOKS1 Sat Jan 15 18:28:31 2005 From: MDMOKS1 (MDMOKS1 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 19:28:31 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] GMU Breaks Message-ID: <7F2CE0EF.73C45CE4.0016857C@aol.com> Pairings at 8:00 in Robinson Hall. Round at 8:30. Varsity JMU GM Mary Washington GW Mary Washington PW Pittsburgh EF Pittsburgh WW Richmond RW Richmond SS JV Clarion DZ Liberty BB Liberty CK Liberty PS Mary Washington BeRo Novice Liberty BM Liberty DJ Liberty HH Liberty HP Liberty KP Mary Washington OS Northwestern RT Richmond PP ---Allison GMU From privethedge Sat Jan 15 20:37:39 2005 From: privethedge (Duane Hyland) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 18:37:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [eDebate] The Passing of Lt. Col. Roger Reeder Message-ID: <20050116023739.99683.qmail@web50908.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, It's my sad duty to inform the debate community of the passing of Lt. Col. Roger E. Reeder at the age of 92. Col. Reeder was the debate coach at T. A. Edison High School in Alexandria, Virginia, from 1962-1979. I'm sure many on this list would remember sending teams to, or competing at, the Reeder tournament at Edison, one of the big national circuit affairs of the 70's, 80's and early 90's. His dedication to and enthusiasm for debate, judging the final round of the Reeder tournament for many years after his retirement from active coaching, will be missed. Duane "You may be whatever you resolve to be." Thomas J. Jackson" "If all mankind minus one were of one opinion and only one person were of the contrary opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that person that he, if he had the power, would be in silencing mankind? If the opinion is right, they are deprived of the opportunity of exchanging error for truth; if wrong, they lose, what is almost as great a benefit, the clearer perception and livelier impression of truth, produced by its collision with error." John S. Mill __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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He organized the circuit of local tournaments in which were incubated the phenomenal talents of a long line of debaters from Edison, West Springfield, Lake Braddock, and Jefferson Science, debaters who went on to outstanding careers in college debate and in life. The significance of his contribution to the course of debate history is immense. He will always be a part of that "long grey line" they talk about at NDT banquets. dp On Sat, 15 Jan 2005, Duane Hyland wrote: > Hi, It's my sad duty to inform the debate community of the passing of Lt. Col. Roger E. Reeder at the age of 92. Col. Reeder was the debate coach at T. A. Edison High School in Alexandria, Virginia, from 1962-1979. I'm sure many on this list would remember sending teams to, or competing at, the Reeder tournament at Edison, one of the big national circuit affairs of the 70's, 80's and early 90's. His dedication to and enthusiasm for debate, judging the final round of the Reeder tournament for many years after his retirement from active coaching, will be missed. > > Duane > > > > "You may be whatever you resolve to be." Thomas J. Jackson" > > "If all mankind minus one were of one opinion and only one person were of the contrary opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that person that he, if he had the power, would be in silencing mankind If the opinion is right, they are deprived of the opportunity of exchanging error for truth; if wrong, they lose, what is almost as great a benefit, the clearer perception and livelier impression of truth, produced by its collision with error." John S. Mill > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com From blackdebateguy Sun Jan 16 16:53:30 2005 From: blackdebateguy (doug dennis) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 14:53:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [eDebate] jonah feldman/klinger...or jusr ignore Message-ID: <20050116225331.82765.qmail@web50202.mail.yahoo.com> hey...email a brotha...klinger...lost your number... dd __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20050116/4a745be9/attachment.html From vandy.debate Sun Jan 16 17:41:50 2005 From: vandy.debate (M L Sandoz) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 23:41:50 GMT Subject: [eDebate] Seeking Josh Tandlich Message-ID: <20050116.154229.9032.178691@webmail03.lax.untd.com> Please email Katie Ryzoc at Vanderbilt concerning space milt article from Foreign Affairs kate.p.ryzoc at vanderbilt.edu M. L. Sandoz Vanderbilt University Director of Debate 615-322-3784 (O), 615-322-2307 (O) 615-343-7918 (F), 615-673-7340 (H) ___________________________________________________________________ Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/month -visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! From kebolous2000 Sun Jan 16 19:22:13 2005 From: kebolous2000 (Kebo Lous) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:22:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [eDebate] Why do they doubt me Message-ID: <20050117012213.79141.qmail@web54203.mail.yahoo.com> Hello community I just wanted to let people know about what happened to me this weekend. I was recently (this Weekend) at a high school tournament (Lexington Mass) where I was judging a Varsity round between Lakeland High School and Bronx Law High School. The two girls from the bronx where Latina and the other two from Lakeland they where white the coach from Lakeland walks in while I am telling him that his team lost on a DisAd that basically impacted SS reform get passed by Bush which leads to Nuclear War and everyone dies. Lakeland made the mistake of not going for the Topicality arguments that they where winning on. Before I could even explain why his team lost the round the lakeland head Coach looked at me I got the feeling he thought I was Just not able to grasp his teams DisAd or something and before I could finish my explaination he cuts me off looks at me like he wanted to call me a dumb little brown boy and tells his girls to leave before I am even finished with my analysis of the round. Hey talk about preventing education I was trying to help his team. Anyways I didnt punish the girls b/c their coach was a dickhead and still gave them high speaker points well I noticed that I judged one round and after that I was sat down for the next four rounds. The lakeland coach was very close to the higher ups running the tournament you people know how to add right politics in debate right brown boy from Queens just stepping in on the high school scene and white male coach that knows all the right people. put two and two together. This was expected what suprised me was I tried to talk to his assistant coach I knew him because I was instructed to help him teach a lab at a Urban Debate Lab in NY during this past summer. before I can get two words out of my mouth he said " you fucked my team" and walked away while I was talking to him. Conclusion- This was telling of the coaches character and what assumptions where made 1. I am not competent in judging a High school Varsity round and must justify my reasons for being a high school varsity judge even if I am more compentent than other judges. 2. A team from the NYUDL cannot beat a team from Lakeland high school.(even though they did) I just wanted to tell the community that this really hurt my feelings because it seems an educational activity is just like the real world politics of who you know not what you know can take you far in life. why must I justify myself is it because I am Brown. why do I have to justify my existence in "your World". And if I begin to feel all avenues of ration thought have been exhausted then why try rational actions why not start up the Black Panthers again and finish the Job that those that where sick of what is currently happening in the status quo if I keep knocking at your door and the only way I can survive is to get into your house if you dont let me in I will get desperate and knock the door down just as Darwin its survival of the fittest right. so I am begging you people in debate to have an open mind when partaking in the activity and please let us minorites voices be heard leave your prejudices at home and dont bring them with you. This Has been a public service announcement from Keenan Winn Thank You. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page ? Try My Yahoo! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20050116/f5836213/attachment.htm From ferrits Sun Jan 16 22:06:21 2005 From: ferrits (Joe Schatz) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 12:06:21 +0800 Subject: [eDebate] BINGHAMTON INVITE - Repost Message-ID: <20050117040621.D76FC1027BE@ws3.hk5.outblaze.com> Below is a repost of the Binghamton invite. Remember, when you e-mail in registration to include the organization name that your squad will be debating for, or if you just want your fees to go to the tournament for teams that can't donate to organizations. We even have an airport in Binghamton for those of you interested in flying to upstate New York and debate for a cause. Hope to see you all in Feb! joe schatz director of debate at binghamton university vice president of atuu international aid campaigns coordinator of the binghamton/vestal vegan society ---- The Seventeenth Annual Forensics Festivals Invite 2/12/04-2/13/05 NOTICE: The structure of the tournament and the nature of the awards and requested division entries will be different than most tournaments, which will make you want to consider reading over this invite early and discussing it with your squads. AWARDS: In the spirit of doing more with debate than just continually funneling funds into our own activity, all registration fees will go to the financing of this year?s awards, which will consist of checks written out to non-profit organization of each school?s choice. Squads deciding to enter the tournament select one organization with registration that the entire team will be competing for. Money will be divided up with a mathematical formula so that winning the tournament will be worth a certain percentage of the total money raised, with a lesser percent for quarterfinals, and so on. Speaker awards will also be worth a certain percentage of money raised. Squads will receive a check made out to an organization of their choice accumulated by the combined success of all individual teams. Other more novel awards will be given out for debaters to hold onto as well. It has come to my attention that some schools might have logistical problems with being able to donate money without lengthy paperwork. In those cases, Universities can decide to donate their portions of what they win to the tournament itself, which would then function as normal registration fees, or you can indicate that you won?t be debating for a non-profit organization and just declare the money as registration that can then be redivided among other participants. Since more tangible awards will also be provided you won?t have to go home empty handed if you win either. DIVISIONS: In order to promote novice debate and in order to offer all three divisions, while we will abide by CEDA & ADA eligibility guidelines, we strongly convince you to register debaters as follows: Novice debaters should include students who are in there first semester of competition so that newly joining debaters aren?t tournaments behind more advanced novice debaters. We ask all debaters that have either three tournaments of experience or have advanced in elimination rounds to register in the JV bracket. We ask all debaters who are in their second year or more of policy experience, and have advanced to elimination rounds at least once, enter the Open division, which welcomes more experienced debaters as well. The more teams the more money can be raised and the bigger the donation your team can claim if you win. The novice division will host 5 rounds with one educational round to watch, while the JV and Open divisions will have the full 6 rounds. The hope in doing this is to promote continual participation and education of new novices as well as allow more experienced debaters to push themselves to their limits by debating up, which is another excellent means of learning how to debate. In the event we cannot break all brackets to at least semifinals we will collapse the JV and Open bracket but we hope this will not be the case. AS A SIDE: During the course of the tournament we will be holding fundraising activities in order to increase the amount of money we can raise for the organizations squads will be debating for. Urge debaters to bring spare change and dollar bills. Fund raising events will include things like penny-wars between Universities to see which squad has the most team spirit so to speak, as well as things like sending loved one?s back home e-mail messages from the tournament, or love-o-grams for your loved one?s at the tournament, and so on. Small things, which if encouraged can make a big difference in raising money and can be a lot of fun. NOW THE NORMAL INFO: Registration: $75 per team (but in the spirit of new organizations, all student run teams will have their registration fees waived, with the encouragement to be extra active in the other fundraising events, which will have awards as well) Uncovered Team: $80 ($160 for full obligation, this however cannot be waived); we encourage schools to bring extra judges if possible and for hired judges to donate some of their payment to the prize money, but in no sense require it. Entries should be sent to Joe Schatz at ferrits at sailormoon.com, with a cc sent to bsdeboard at listserv.binghamton.edu. They can also be phoned in to Joe at 607-765-3659. We will be accepting registration up until the Thursday before the tournament at 6pm. Any changes after that time should be phoned in immediately. Entries should include names of debaters and which divisions, a list of judges, and name of non-profit organization your program will be debating for. Hotel Information: Holiday Inn ? University, Vestal NY is directly across the street from the University. A mere hop, skip, and/or jump from the tournament. Reservations can be place by calling the Holiday Inn at 607-729-6371. Alternative accommodations can be made at the Skylark Motor Lodge at a cheaper rate. It?s located about five minutes away from campus on the same road as University (Rt 434). Reservations can be made by calling 607-748-3392. Schedule: We advocate reasonable starting times for debates to allow for coaching and still run a punctual tournament. Rounds will NOT run late, and all WILL be pleased. We have no delusion on getting out late, and we will provide snacks throughout so no one will starve. Fri, February 13th 8:00-10:00pm Early registration at Holiday Inn, confirmations can also be phoned into Joe still at 607-765-3659. Sat, February 14th 6:45am-7:25am Late Registration 7:30am Pairings for Round 1 & 2 8:00am-10:15am Round 1 10:45am-1:00pm Round 2 1:00pm-2:00pm Lunch 2:00pm Pairings for Round 3 & 4 2:30pm-4:45pm Round 3 5:15pm-7:30pm Round 4 7:45pm Pairings for Round 5 8:15pm-10:30pm Round 5 (JV & Open, Novice Watch) Sun, February 15th 7:00am Pairings 7:30am-10:00am Round 5 (Novice), Round 6 (JV & Open) 10:30am Pairings for first elimination round released 11:15am-1:30pm Quarterfinals 1:30pm-2:30pm Awards & Lunch 3:15-5:30 Semifinals 6:15-8:15 Finals Directions: Binghamton University is located one mile west of the city of Binghamton (in Vestal) and is a short drive from major urban centers in New York and neighboring states. A number of bus companies serve the area, and the Binghamton Regional Airport provides major airline service. Follow 81 North or South to 17 West, towards Elmira, get off at exit 70S, heading towards ?Binghamton Univ.? You will hit a traffic circle. Veer off on the first exit (201S) over the Fredrick Johnson Bridge so that you?re barely ever on the circle but you don?t take the right immediately before it. To hotel: take the second exit (434 East) and the Holiday Inn will be on your right and the University on your left. Take your first right and turn into the parking lot, or continue down 434 East for several miles until the Skylark on your left near a Burger King, Vestal High School, and the Skylark Diner. To campus: take the third and final exist (434 West). Stay in the right lane that will put you on campus. You?ll hit traffic circle. You want to take the circle but stay to your right and not veer off entirely by simply going right. If you?ve done the maneuver correctly you?ll pass a parking garage on your right. Continue to follow the road until it puts you in front of a whole bunch of meter parking, which will happen after it makes you veer right. Meter parking is free on weekends and the Fine Arts building is right in front of you, registration is on the second floor. Signs should be posted around campus to make this process easier for you. Hotel to campus: turn left coming out onto 434 at the intersection with Denny?s, then turn right onto campus at the next traffic light and follow above directions. -- _______________________________________________ Come to http://www.sailormoon.com the sailormoon friends & fan community where you get chat, e-mail and can even build your own homepages! Powered by Outblaze From bbcoulte Sun Jan 16 23:35:54 2005 From: bbcoulte (Benjamin Coulter) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 23:35:54 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] Still looking to hire 3 rounds at CAL Message-ID: Samford will pay you $30/round in cash at the tournament. We need to hire 3 rounds. Get back to me at bbcoulte at samford.edu. Thanks, Ben Benjamin Coulter Debate Coach and Instructor Department of Communication Studies Samford University From les_phillips98 Mon Jan 17 06:40:31 2005 From: les_phillips98 (Les Phillips) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 04:40:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [eDebate] Also Seeking Josh Tandlich Message-ID: <20050117124031.74362.qmail@web51008.mail.yahoo.com> Just email, OK? (-: Les Phillips ===== WMIBWLEO IWLAIWDFY __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From smithr Mon Jan 17 07:17:50 2005 From: smithr (ross smith) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 08:17:50 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] West GA Message-ID: <41EBBAFE.1000501@wfu.edu> Jenny Heidt here... My edebate post about the judges last night was "awaiting moderation." Sorry. Bracket and judges: 1-Northwestern BM meets 16-Northwestern DJ 2-Wake CH v 15-Iowa KL with Shalmon, Heidt, Stevenson 3-Emory GP v 14-FHSU RB with Maurer, Turner, Wiese 4-Texas AM v 13-Georgia CW with Newnam, Garen, Varda 5-Emory CG (A) v 12-CSU Long Beach with Whitmore, Eastwood, Vats 11-Dartmouth BeMa (A) v 6-MSU HV with Smith, Stevens, Deatherage 7-MSU BH v 10-Dartmouth BrMa with Waldinger, Lacy, Silber 8-Alabama GS v 9-Dartmouth CS with Atchison, Ramachandrappa, Roland From slusher Mon Jan 17 09:46:25 2005 From: slusher (Eric Slusher) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 07:46:25 -0800 Subject: [eDebate] Weber RR Message-ID: Now in Semifinals: Regis RS 7-1 (aff) vs. Weber BS 7-1 Idaho St. BD 7-1(aff) vs. Wyoming CD 6-2 Teams with winning records who missed: Gonzaga HH 6-2 Idaho St. DY 6-2 SMS KO 6-2 Wyoming JS 5-3 Speakers: 1. Brian Schrader - Regis 2. Chris Crowe - Wyoming 3. Izak Dunn - Idaho St. 4. John Reif - Regis 5. Colin Hahn - Gonzaga 6. Desi Brown - Weber 7. Brian DeLong - Wyoming 8. Mike Shakelford - Weber 9. Charlie Hutchison - Gonzaga t10. Martin Osborne - SMS Mike Kearney - SMS From Robert.Becker Mon Jan 17 11:24:58 2005 From: Robert.Becker (Robert Becker) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 10:24:58 -0700 Subject: [eDebate] FW: [Parli] Judges for Phi Rho Pi Nats in Philly Message-ID: ________________________________ From: parli-bounces at willamette.edu [mailto:parli-bounces at willamette.edu] On Behalf Of Trent Webb Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 8:07 AM To: ie-l at cornell.edu; parli at willamette.edu Subject: [Parli] Judges for Phi Rho Pi Nats in Philly Dear Colleagues: If you are interested in judging for the 2005 Phi Rho Pi National Tournament in Philadelphia, PA, please contact me ASAP!!! We are currently hiring judges for a 3-day commitment (Tues-Thur). PRP pays $300 and provides a hotel room which you may share with another hired judge. We are currently looking for judges who can judge in more than one category (Individual Events, Parliamentary Debate, CEDA L/D & Team Policy). The national tournament takes place April 10-16, 2005 at the Wyndham Hotel-Franklin Plaza in Philadelphia, PA. You may go to www.phirhopi.org or www.geocities.com/phirhopi2005 for more info. Trent Webb, DOF-Nassau Community College 2005 Phi Rho Pi Host Email: webb_trent at hotmail.com or TWebb49778 at aol.com Phone: 516-572-9614 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20050117/70bd7a38/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... 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Robert _______________________________________________ Parli mailing list Parli at willamette.edu http://lists.willamette.edu/mailman/listinfo/parli From bsumekpk Mon Jan 17 14:01:15 2005 From: bsumekpk (pete bsumek) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 15:01:15 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Madison Cup Invitation: March 16 Message-ID: January 10, 2004 On behalf of the James Madison Center and JMU Debate we are pleased and excited to invite you to compete for the Madison Cup at the third annual ?James Madison Commemorative Debate and Citizens Forum? on Wednesday March 16, 2004. The James Madison Commemorative Debate and Citizens Forum is a unique inter-collegiate debate competition, which combines the excitement and challenge of tournament competition with the relevance and empowerment of a public audience and audience participation. It is also one of the showcase events of our university?s James Madison Day Celebration. Other cool and unique features: *$10,000.00 in prize money *Debating and competing in front of public audiences *Excellent Reception at local restaurant *Web-cast on the internet *Great PR for your debate program *DVD copies of the final round for each team The tournament details are enclosed with this letter. If you should have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact us. We look forward to hosting you in March! Pete Bsumek, Ph. D. Eric Jenkins JMU Debate Background: Timed to coincide with James Madison University's yearly celebration of James Madison's birthday in mid-March, The James Madison Commemorative Debate and Citizen Forum centers on an important question facing American democracy. Last year?s topic was ?Freedom of the Press." Debaters argued both sides of the resolution: Resolved: Resolved: that current corporate media conglomerates are an insult to the ideals of the First Amendment. The James Madison Center at James Madison University sponsors the event in the spirit of James Madison's ideal that a republican democracy is healthy only when informed and civil debate thrives. The entire event will be broadcast live on the World Wide Web. Last year?s debate featured teams from George Mason University, Georgetown University, James Madison University, Marist College, Mary Washington College, Towson University, the University of Pittsburgh, the University of Richmond, and Wake Forest University. It is archived at the following web site: http://www.jmu.edu/birthday/audio.shtml This year the intellectual theme for Madison Week is ?Citizenship in times of peril.? 2005 Topic: Resolved: That the time has come for the United States to reinstate ?a draft? for compulsory military service. Eligible Participants: Each school may enter one two-person team. The debate is open to undergraduate students who are in good standing at their respective institutions. Competition Format: The debates use a ?long table? format. This is a public debate competition. Last year there was an audience of around 250 people for the final round. We expect good size audiences for each of the preliminary debates this year as well. The ?long table? format features two, or three (two person) teams on each side of the question. Speeches start with the affirmative and alternate between the affirmative and negative throughout the debate. Teams are randomly assigned to sides and speaker positions. *Please see the appendix, which details the debate format, for more information. Jury Adjudication Procedure: A three to seven member panel will adjudicate each debate. Juries will be comprised of local residents, students, distinguished JMU alumni, and special invited guests. At the completion of the debate, the jury will adjourn to discuss, deliberate and decide upon the winners as a group. The jury votes for (2-person) teams, not sides of the question. In other words, first place could go to an affirmative team, while second place could be awarded to a negative team. The jury for the final round will be announced as soon as is possible. Tournament Procedures: >Number of rounds: This year we will offer two preliminary rounds of debate and one final round. >Flip side debate: Each team will debate once on the affirmative and once on the negative. >Side & position: Sides (affirmative or negative), and positions (first affirmative team, first negative team, second affirmative team, etc) for the preliminary debates will be determined by random drawing. >Judging: Judges will rank teams 1-6 in each preliminary debate, and assign each team quality points based on a thirty-point scale (1-30). >Advancing to the final round: The six teams with the lowest total ranks will advance to the final round. Quality points will be used to break ties. >Sides and Speaking Positions in the final round: Sides and speaking positions in the final round will be based on seeding after the preliminary rounds. For example, the highest seeded team after the preliminary rounds will choose their ?side and position? first, the seconded ranked team will choose ?side and position? next, and so on. Public Participation: While the jury deliberates, the floor will be opened for audience comments and speeches. An award for the best floor speech will be presented. Local newspapers, politicians, and the general public are invited. We hope to have C-SPAN type coverage in the not too distant future. Awards: The first place team will leave with the Madison Cup?a very nice traveling trophy. Once again this year there is a $10,000.00 purse of prize money. Unique individual awards will also be given to first, second and (assuming there are six teams in the final round) third place teams. All participants in the final round will be recognized with awards. Prize money will be awarded as follows: 1st place: $5000.00 donation to your debate program 2nd place: $2500.00 donation to your debate program 3rd place: $1000.00 donation to your debate program 4th-6th place: $500.00 donation to your debate program Entry: There are no entry fees. We can accommodate 24 teams. Entry is on a first come, first serve basis. Deadline for entry is March 4. This is necessary so we can determine how many preliminary debates we will be hosting. Second teams will be considered on a case-by-case basis, if space permits. Lodging: We have reserved a block of hotel rooms at the newly renovated Best Western Inn of Harrisonburg (formerly the Guest House Inn). The Best Western Inn is located at exit 247A off of I-81. Go east on Highway 33?the hotel is on the right side of the road. The phone number for the Best Western is 540-433-6089. The rate for 1-4 people per room is $51.00 + tax. This special tournament rate will be available until March 1. When calling the Best Western Inn please ask for Gini Boyers, or Janice Hartman, and mention that you are attending the JMU High School Debate Tournament. Travel: James Madison University is located in Harrisonburg, VA, which is two hours southwest of Washington, D.C. on I-81. If you plan to fly consider Dullas and Washington National/Reagan Airports in Washington DC (2 hours away), Richmond airport (2 hours away), Charlottesville airport (one hour away) and the Shenandoah Regional Airport (15 minutes away). We are happy to provide transportation to and from any of these airports. Schedule: Wednesday March 16, 2005: James Madison Commemorative Debate and Citizens Forum 8:30 AM: Preliminary debate round 1 11:00 AM Preliminary debate round 2 1:30 PM Lunch & Awards assembly (final round participants announced) 2:30 PM: Madison Day Address (participants and finalists recognized by President Rose) 6:00 PM: Final round (presentation of the Madison Cup) 8:00 PM: Reception & Dinner at a local restaurant Questions: Please do not hesitate to contact us. Appendix: Example Debate Format: A brief explanation: Teams are assigned speaker positions, not individual speakers. In other words, if a team is selected to be the first affirmative, they will give the first two affirmative speeches in the debate. The first and last speech on each side of the question is uninterruptible. Any member of the opposing team may interrupt the speeches in the middle of the debate in order to ask the speaker to yield to a question. Speakers are not required to answer these questions (although not answering questions may cause the audience to think that the speaker is ?dodgy?). The 2004 final round proceeded as follows. 1st Affirmative Speech (Wake Forest #1): (4 minutes) uninterrupted 1st Negative Speech (George Mason #1): (4 minutes) uninterrupted 2nd Affirmative Speech (Wake Forest #2): (5 minutes): The first and last minute of the speech are uninterruptible. In the 2nd-4th minutes of the speech any opposition debater may ask the speaker to yield to a question. The speaker may accept, or decline the question. 2nd Negative Speech (George Mason #2): (5 minutes): The first and last minute of the speech are uninterruptible. In the 2nd-4th minutes of the speech any opposition debater may ask the speaker to yield to a question. The speaker may accept, or decline the question. 3rd Affirmative Speech (Georgetown # 1): (5 minutes): The first and last minute of the speech are uninterruptible. In the 2nd-4th minutes of the speech any opposition debater may ask the speaker to yield to a question. The speaker may accept, or decline the question. 3rd Negative Speech (James Madison #1): (5 minutes): The first and last minute of the speech are uninterruptible. In the 2nd-4th minutes of the speech any opposition debater may ask the speaker to yield to a question. The speaker may accept, or decline the question. 4th Affirmative Speech (Georgetown #2): (5 minutes) The first and last minute of the speech are uninterruptible. In the 2nd-4th minutes of the speech any opposition debater may ask the speaker to yield to a question. The speaker may accept, or decline the question. 4th Negative Speech (James Madison #2): (5 minutes) The first and last minute of the speech are uninterruptible. In the 2nd-4th minutes of the speech any opposition debater may ask the speaker to yield to a question. The speaker may accept, or decline the question. 5th Affirmative Speech (Mary Washington #1): (5 minutes) The first and last minute of the speech are uninterruptible. In the 2nd-4th minutes of the speech any opposition debater may ask the speaker to yield to a question. The speaker may accept, or decline the question. 5th Negative Speech (Towson #1): The first and last minute of the speech are uninterruptible. In the 2nd-4th minutes of the speech any opposition debater may ask the speaker to yield to a question. The speaker may accept, or decline the question. 6th Affirmative Speech (Mary Washington #2): (4 minutes) Uninterrupted 6th Negative Speech (Towson University #2): (4 minutes) Uninterrupted Pete Bsumek, Ph.D. Assistant Professor/Dir. of Debate 341 University Blvd. CISAT Modular Bld., Room 100 MSC 2106 School of Communication Studies James Madison University Harrisonburg, VA 22807 (o) 540-568-3386 (h) 540-433-9302 (c) 540-421-4105 (f) 540-568-6059 From kkuswa Mon Jan 17 14:12:56 2005 From: kkuswa (Kuswa, Kevin) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 15:12:56 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] fw: position announcement--asst. director Message-ID: <12E81F39195C00468C4DE42509951D3802312622@castor.richmond.edu> University of Richmond Assistant Director of Debate The Dept. of Rhetoric & Communication Studies at this highly selective, private, primarily undergraduate university invites applications for an Assistant Director of Debate (three year, renewable contract) to join a growing department and a debate program with a rising national profile. Teaching excellence and experience coaching policy debate are a must, with teaching responsibilities to include 2 courses per semester from the candidate's areas of expertise (ideally including public speaking and argumentation & debate). PhD preferred, MA required. In addition to teaching two courses per semester, the successful candidate will assist in directing and coaching a national NDT/CEDA debate program, including hosting a national tournament, traveling with the team to competitions, directing a summer debate institute, and conducting research assignments. Applicants should submit a curriculum vitae, copies of graduate transcripts, statement of teaching/coaching philosophy, sample syllabi, and contact information for at least three references to Dr. Kevin Kuswa, Search Committee Chair, Dept. of Rhetoric & Communication Studies, University of Richmond, VA 23173. (Address questions to kkuswa at richmond.edu.) Review of applications will begin Feb. 21st, with an anticipated starting date of August 2005. Salary commensurate with experience. The University of Richmond is committed to increasing faculty diversity and strongly encourages applications from women and minorities. For more information about the department, see http://rhetoric.richmond.edu/. ************************************** Dr. Kevin Douglas Kuswa (U) Director of Debating Spide(R)bate Dept. of Rhetoric and Comm. Studies University of Richmond, VA 23173 (804) 289-8269 ************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20050117/46dc9c82/attachment.html From jtedebate Mon Jan 17 15:20:38 2005 From: jtedebate (J T) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 13:20:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [eDebate] paging Jen Schrader or Matt Farmer Message-ID: <20050117212038.67096.qmail@web20107.mail.yahoo.com> Could one of ya'll backchannel me about some cites? thanks JT Asst. Debate Coach Emporia State University --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20050117/7b69d18e/attachment.htm From matt_moore85 Mon Jan 17 16:43:12 2005 From: matt_moore85 (Matt Moore) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 16:43:12 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] Position Announcement- Director of Debate, Augustana College Message-ID: Ryan is leaving us (sniff), below is the job announcement. Any questions about the position should be directed towards Dave Snowball, but if you have any questions about the team let me know. Matt Augustana College invites applications for a tenure-track position as Assistant Professor and Director of Debate in the Department of Speech Communication. Ph.D. preferred, ABD considered. Responsibilities will include a 2-2-1 teaching load in basic and upper division courses, and directing the College's debate program with the support of an assistant director. The program is oriented toward NDT/CEDA debate, seeks to be nationally competitive and enjoys strong support from the College and the department. Augustana is a private liberal arts college affiliated with the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America. Augustana is an E.O. employer and encourages applications from women and minorities. Send letter of application, curriculum vitae, statement of teaching philosophy, graduate school transcript, and three letters of recommendation to: Dr. Jeff Abernathy, Dean of the College. Augustana College, 639 - 38th Street, Rock Island, IL 61201-2296. We will begin to review applications on January 31. Additional information is available at the College's prospective faculty website (http://www.augustana.edu/academic/faculty_search/) and from the chair, David Snowball (Snowball at Augustana.edu). Rock Island is one of the Quad Cities, a diverse metropolitan area on the Mississippi River with about 350,000 residents. Augustana College is a selective undergraduate liberal arts college of 2,200 students, an equal opportunity employer, and does not discriminate on the basis of age, race, color, ethnic background, gender, sexual orientation, disability or creed. From lemuel30034 Mon Jan 17 17:23:06 2005 From: lemuel30034 (Ed Williams) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 15:23:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [eDebate] Re: Why do you doubt me Message-ID: <20050117232306.35945.qmail@web54205.mail.yahoo.com> Dear Mr Winn, Wow! I think accusing another coach of racism is a pretty strong accusation. In addition, I think making such accusations in a public forum is also pretty strong. Did you know the intentions of the coach? Why did his cutting you off during your decision become a race issue? I think you have made a mountain out of a molehill because I know this coach would not have cared who his team lost to- no matter what school the team was from. Why does this have to be an issue between Lakeland and Bronx Law-doesn't the coach have the right to ask questions of the judge? I would have done the same if I thought questions needed to ask, and by the way for the record I am a coach of color. I guess it would not have been racist or classist if I ask the question or cut you off. Maybe not because I teach at an elite private school, and maybe I forgot about the problems I faced as a debater. We need as coaches and judges to stop making distinctions between teams and programs. A win is win and we should leave it at that. We as a community need to stop accusing people of racism until we get to know each other. I know all the coaches atLakeland, and I do not consider any of them to be racist-or having any predispositions about "brown" judges. One final note if you call a person out, you should have the courtesy of calling the person by name. I know Kevin can defend himself, but I could not let this slide without saying something. I hope the team from bronx law does not read this and think the team from lakland does not respect them because I also judge bronx law, and thought they were a good team. Thank you so much for telling me that they were from the NYUDL, I did not know. I just calling like I see them. Ed Williams __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com From Cleverprof Mon Jan 17 18:19:45 2005 From: Cleverprof (Cleverprof at aol.com) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 19:19:45 EST Subject: [eDebate] Re: Why do you doubt me Message-ID: Ed: I agree in part, disagree elsewhere. First, I agree that if you have a problem with a judge or a team and discuss it, you should name people. Second, I am not sure if the people herein understand the looks you receive when you are an African-American (Black) judge. I have found that most debaters typically assume that (1) you are not qualified, and (2) you will vote to the minority team, despite nuclear war impacts, and critical thought, or (3) you are in over your head. Third, what do most teams think when they see an African-American at the back of the room that they do not know and never heard about? I believe that some debaters assume that she is clueless, never went to Nats, never competed sucessfully. We need further discussion. Mark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20050117/ab5339d3/attachment.html From sykesjason Mon Jan 17 19:24:51 2005 From: sykesjason (Jason Sykes) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 19:24:51 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] North Texas HS Tournament 2/11-12 Message-ID: <000801c4fcfc$8338c370$6501a8c0@SYKES> All high schools are invited to participate in the revival of an old tradition--the North Texas High School Tournament, to be held this year on Feb. 11-12. The invitation and online entry is available at www.joyoftournaments.com We look forward to seeing you there! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ben Coulter, Mike Janas, and the Samford Debate Team Benjamin Coulter Debate Coach and Instructor Department of Communication Studies Samford University From stroube Mon Jan 17 22:10:59 2005 From: stroube (Jack Stroube) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 23:10:59 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] seymore hersch: cuming wars Message-ID: <200501180410.j0I4Axk12560@hsdebate.com> can't say we didn't tell u so while ago so: http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?050124fa_fact http://www.ndtceda.com Phallus Jerkins Dabait League From cpwiii Tue Jan 18 01:02:22 2005 From: cpwiii (charles woodbury) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 01:02:22 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] Any W Ga update??? Message-ID: Does anyone know how W Ga went???? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20050118/19ffc6dc/attachment.html From berchnorto Tue Jan 18 08:39:26 2005 From: berchnorto (NEIL BERCH) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 09:39:26 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] WVU hotel deadline is this Saturday Message-ID: Hi, everyone! The deadline for our block at the Hampton Inn is this Saturday, the 22nd. The phone number is 304-599-1200, and the contact person is Jody White. If you've already made reservations at the Hampton Inn, please let me know how many rooms, and in whose name the reservations are. The hotel appears to have co-mingled block and non-block rooms, and we're in the process of reconciling the two lists. Not a problem for you, just for me. We look forward to seeing all of you in Morgantown. Invite below again. --Neil Berch West Virginia University November 15, 2004 Dear Friends and Colleagues: On behalf of the West Virginia University Debate team, I am pleased to invite you to the fifth annual John A. Jacobsohn Memorial Mountaineer Classic Debates, to be held in Morgantown, February 4-6, 2005. The tournament, sponsored by WVU's Eberly College of Arts and Sciences, will be sanctioned by CEDA, ADA, and SAMBA. As indicated, the tournament will honor the memory of our late colleague John Jacobsohn. The Sunday awards ceremony will feature the presentation of the 5th annual Jacobsohn award to a member of the debate community who has also done significant public service. We expect to be joined at the ceremony by Professor Jacobsohn's family. Previous winners of the Jacobsohn Award: 2001: Frank Harrison, Trinity University 2002: Larry Watts, Mansfield University 2003: Chris Baron, Baltimore Urban Debate League, and Sarah Snider, Marshall-Brennan Urban Debate League 2004: Maxwell Schnurer, Marist College We will hold 6 preliminary rounds of debate in each division (varsity, junior varsity, and novice), followed by the appropriate number of elimination rounds. We will clear up to half of the teams in each division. In the unlikely event that it is necessary to hold partial double octafinals, we will do so on Saturday night. Because we expect to take a substantial loss on the tournament (see below for why!), WVU teams may participate in preliminary rounds in larger numbers than usual. However, WVU teams will not be eligible for elimination rounds or speaker awards. The resolution will be this year's national policy debate resolution, and the time limits will be 9-3-6, with ten minutes of preparation time for each side. Rounds one and two will be pre-set. Rounds three through six will be power matched (none will be lagged). We will operate under the rules of the ADA, a copy of which may be obtained upon request. We will also observe the CEDA by-laws. The WVU debate team supports CEDA's sexual harassment policy, and we will enforce it. Eligibility for junior varsity and novice divisions will be as determined by the ADA rules. Hybrid teams are eligible to participate, and they will be eligible to qualify for elimination rounds. Awards will be given to the top eight teams in the novice and junior varsity divisions, as well as the top four teams in varsity, and to the top 10 speakers in the novice and junior varsity divisions, and the top three speakers in varsity. Ties between teams will be broken on the basis of: 1. adjusted points 2. total points 3. opponent wins 4. coin flip Speaker awards will be based upon adjusted points. Ties will be broken by: 1. total points 2. judge variance Special awards will be presented to: 1) the school that wins the most debates during preliminary rounds; 2) the school that is not ranked in the NDT top 50 as of February 1, 2005 winning the most debates during preliminary rounds; 3) the novice speaker with the highest speaker points in her/his first or second lifetime debate tournament (the "Best Newcomer" Award); 4) the highest ranked JV team where both members have remaining novice eligibility (the "Movin' On Up" award); if there is no such team, the award will go to the highest ranked varsity team where both members have remaining jv eligibility. 5) the judge whose written ballots are deemed by the tab room staff to be the most educational (the Neil Butt Award). Judges: Each school is responsible for providing a qualified judge for each one or two teams entered in the tournament. A judge will be responsible for covering three preliminary rounds for each team entered. All judges are required to judge through the quarter final round or one round after your last team is eliminated, whichever occurs later (though we will of course do our best to get eliminated schools on the road as early as possible). A VERY LIMITED number of judges will be available for hire at $100 per uncovered team. If you need to hire judges, please enter early! Unless we have an unexpectedly small entry, we will use a mutually preferred judging system. All preferences received prior to round 1 will go into effect for round 3. Entries: Please send your entries by 4:00 PM on Tuesday, February 1, 2005. Entries should be made through the ultra-fantastic Bruschke Web Page (www.debateresults.com). TOURNAMENT ENTRY IS FREE FOR ALL TEAMS (though we reserve the right to charge a nuisance fee of $50 for voluminous late drops), but we will still provide a variety of amenities, including dinner between rounds 1 and 2 on Friday night, lunch between rounds 3 and 4 on Saturday, lunch after the awards ceremony on Sunday, a hospitality room with healthy and less-healthy snacks, awards, a Saturday night bowling tournament (with one lucky recipient to be chosen for the Maxwell Schnurer Bowling Award), and a reception for women coaches and debaters on Friday night. Entries may be sent by telephone (304-293-3811, ext. 5290), fax (304-293-8644, or e-mail (berchnorto at msn.com). We would be especially appreciative of early entry estimates. Changes on the day of the tournament should be made via email or cell phone (412-445-3957). The tournament hotel will be the Hampton Inn of Morgantown. Pairings will be distributed there on Saturday and Sunday mornings, and the Friday night reception for women coaches and debaters (sponsored by STAND) will take place there as well. Our block has a flat rate of $60 for up to 4 people, with continental breakfast included. The direct number for the Hampton Inn is 304-599-1200, or you may use the national reservations number (1-800-Hampton). Please use the code for our block (EAS). Our contact at the Hampton Inn is Mr. Jody White. If you run into problems, please let me know. The deadline for the block is January 22. Schedule (and please note that we will vigorously enforce the 15 minute forfeit rule. Please also note that we are attempting to operate on more college student-friendly hours. We will end late on both Friday and Saturday evenings, but you will leave already having had dinner.): Friday, February 4: 3:30 PM-4:30 PM: Registration on the 3rd floor of Woodburn Hall (the building with the clock). Most business will already have been done via email. 5:00 Opening meeting 5:30 Round 1 7:45 Dinner break (sandwiches, probably from Subway) 8:15 Round 2 11:00 Reception for women judges, coaches, and debaters at the Hampton Inn, hosted by WVU Assistant Coach Becky Evans-Wilson, and others. Saturday, February 5: 8:30 Round 3 pairings available at Hampton Inn and at Woodburn Hall 10:00 Round 3 12:00 lunch-probably pizza 1:15 Round 4 4:00 Round 5 6:00 Dinner on your own (please note the Food Court in the Mountainlair just across the street from the tournament rooms. It features a burger place, a Sbarro's, a sandwich shop, and a Chinese fast food establishment, which has a fantastic tofu dish that is vegan-compliant). 7:15 Round 6 9:45 Bowling Party in Mountainlair (last year, more than half the schools participated, and teams that participated did well on Sunday!) Sunday, February 6: 7:30 Elimination round pairings released at Hampton Inn and Woodburn Hall. 8:30 First elimination round 10:45 Awards Ceremony 11:30 Lunch-probably sandwiches, chips, etc. 12:45 Second elimination round 3:30 Third elimination round 6:00 Fourth elimination round if needed. Morgantown is easily accessible by Interstate 68 from the East, and by Interstate 79 from the North and South. The hills of West Virginia are beautiful any time of the year, but they are especially pretty in February (really!). We hope to see many of you, and we look forward to returning the hospitality that many of you have shown us these past several years. Sincerely, Neil Berch Associate Professor of Political Science and Debate Coach on behalf of the WVU Debate Team DIRECTIONS TO THE HAMPTON INN >From I-79 North: Take exit 155, Star City. Stay in the right lane after you leave the ramp, and bear right at the traffic light. You will cross a bridge and travel through a traffic light. As you reach the top of the hill, you will come to another traffic light. Make a left at that light (on to Patteson Drive). Travel through 3 more traffic lights, and continue until you see the Hampton Inn on your left (just as you come around a bend). >From I-79 South: Take exit 155, Star City. Make a left at the end of the ramp. Get in the right lane, and bear right at the traffic light. You will cross a bridge and travel through a traffic light. As you reach the top of the hill, you will come to another traffic light. Make a left at that light (on to Patteson Drive). Travel through 3 more traffic lights, and continue until you see the Hampton Inn on your left (just as you come around a bend). >From I-68 West: Take exit 7, Pierpont Road, and turn right. Follow for about a mile, and turn left on to 119 South. At the second light, turn right. Continue to the 5th light and turn left on to Van Voorhis Road. The Hampton Inn is about a half mile on your right. To the Mountainlair from Hampton Inn Turn RIGHT out of Hampton Inn Take LEFT at the second stop light Continue straight through light, pass McDonald's (will be on road a little bit) Go STRAIGHT through light at four way intersection, pass large new building and around a loop; Turn LEFT at 2nd light (Spruce Street) after loop (you will have gone about 1.8 miles from the Hampton Inn by then) At stop sign, turn LEFT At stop sign, turn RIGHT (High Street) Take immediate LEFT Park in Area 3 of Mountainlair Garage (furthest entrance) On Friday, you may park in lot 3 in the Mountainlair Garage. WVU debaters will be at the entrance with parking permits. They will also direct you to Woodburn Hall, the tournament headquarters (about a block and a half from the parking area). Please allow a reasonable time to get to Woodburn, as Friday afternoon traffic in Morgantown is surprisingly heavy. After 5pm on Friday, you may park in spaces behind Woodburn that are not designated as reserved or handicapped. On Saturday and Sunday, parking in lot 3 is free, and you may also fight each other for the free (not reserved or handicapped) spaces behind Woodburn. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20050118/805d46a5/attachment.htm From slusher Tue Jan 18 09:35:37 2005 From: slusher (Eric Slusher) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 07:35:37 -0800 Subject: [eDebate] Weber RR Finals Message-ID: Semifinals: Regis RS(Aff) def Weber BS 2-1 Wyoming CD def Idaho State CD (Aff) 2-1 Finals: Wyoming CD def Regis RS* *went to a physical challenge. Regis was disqualified after interference by their manager. From dbteam Tue Jan 18 09:36:06 2005 From: dbteam (dbteam) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:36:06 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Any W Ga update??? Message-ID: <41E8EA52@cliff.westga.edu> yes, there is news from the Tisinger Debate Tournament: Lunch on Saturday was catered by Burrito Jones. reviews were very positive, especially concerning the fresh jalapeno slices. Lunch on Sunday was catered by Cathy Ho's. Nobody does it like the Ho. Pepper Steak and Sesame chicken for the meat-eaters, lo mein and a vegetable stir fry for the hippies, and more egg rolls than all the White House Easter celebrations combined. Sunday evening also included a surprise pizza fest, with even the vegans satisfied by the offerings. The Sunday late-night social, with punch and potpourri, was well attended, too. and of course, there were the usual chocolate and salty snack treats for between rounds. overall, everyone seemed well fed and content. From kebolous2000 Tue Jan 18 09:57:20 2005 From: kebolous2000 (Kebo Lous) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 07:57:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [eDebate] In response to Ed Williams Message-ID: <20050118155720.85055.qmail@web54201.mail.yahoo.com> Mr. Williams: Most of us understand that before you can fix a problem but you have to realize that you have one first. If it isnt viewed as a problem then it cannot be fixed. Yes I understand the fact that a coach might be upset with a Judge voting down their team, however if I cannot even finish my analysis and explanation of why a certian strategy didnt work then there is an asumption being made because before even hearing my side you have decided that I am wrong. If Debate is a speech activity then part of it would be listening if you in turn cannot listen then you are preventing the activity from reaching its full educational value. I have never been instructed to walk out while a judge was speaking its simple Ethos and I could have been a jerk and docked his team speaker points but I did not. On your next point yes you know this man Kevin but I do not he never tried to speak to me after the round but there are things that can be said without words. Body language is a powerful tool and if indeed you throw your hands up when you just hear a decsion without even seeing the round the implications are great. 1. there is no way that I know what i am doing as a judge.(why he would think that if he has no knowledge of who I am essentially he judged me before he would listen to what I had to say about the whole round) 2. that his team could not be beaten by a UDL team, and as a coach you are in a powerful position you are training the future generations and setting up a foundation for their future. It is no wonder why some judges at the Lexington tournament told my kids from the nyudl that they did not belong there. The next point is the Good old boys club, I sat out of four rounds after that round I watched as judges where missing and I was standing right in front of the ballot table telling them I am free this round as they passed me up like I wasnt even there, I observed how close Kevin the head coach of lakeland was buddies with the people in the tab room as well as the top people involved with running the debate why is an educational activity so bias and political. It shouldnt be that way it should be about fairness and who is the better team not who knows more people at the top. I should not be sat down because a coach did not like my decsion in a round and please save me the, do you know why you where sat down speech I am not an idiot I would not make wild accusations about a tournament if I didnt feel it was correct I love debate and have never in my life seen some shit like this happen. It was in your face you cannot deny it type of Bias. I am just letting the community know and everytime something like this happens to me I am going to post it to as many people as possible. This is our struggle as a community and to say it doesnt happen just because you know the guy give no warrents to why what happened at Lexington Mass. last weekend to me wasnt a discriminatory act on the part of the head coach of Lakeland. Sorry I stated the facts there is no molehill here its a mountain and I will not stand for it anymore. anytime this happens to me I will let it be known thank you for your response Mr. Williams but we must realize the problems so that we can fix them. Thank you Keenan Winn --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! ? Try it today! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Northwestern's undefefated run through the Tisinger not only served as a Copeland-response to Harvard's fantastic west coast swing, it also resulted in the team of Branson and Morales unifying the US and World tag team titles. Their 1st and 2nd speaker awards combined with their Tisinger and WDA championships to make for a three-way that would make even the beloved hedgehog, ron jeremy, jealous. congrats to all. as usual, it was a pleasure to serve as your host. UWG Debate From jwpatt00 Tue Jan 18 09:48:13 2005 From: jwpatt00 (JW Patterson) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:48:13 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] TOC: Dowling, Auburn, College Prep, Valley, and Crestian In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MISSING RESULTS: WE ARE CURRENTLY MISSING RESULTS FROM USC AND MBA. Under our new rules, these results should have been reported by January 1, 2005 in order to count as a bid. NOTE CAREFULLY: UNLESS RESULTS FROM USC ARE RECEIVED BY JANUARY 25TH THESE TOURNAMENTS WILL BE REMOVED AS A TOC QUALIFIER FOR 2006 AND THOSE WHO RECEIVED QUALIFICATIONS THERE THIS YEAR WILL NOT BE ELLIGIBLE TO USE THESE TOURNAMENTS AS BIDS. TOC APPLICATIONS: APPLICATIONS AND TOC TOURNAMENT INFORMATION ARE NOW AVAILABLE AT THE FOLLOWING WEBSITE: www.uky.edu/studentaffairs/deanofstudent/debate PLEASE NOTE: SCHOOLS DEBATING UNDER AN INDEPENDENT NAME AS OPPOSED TO THEIR SCHOOL NAME CANNOT BE CERTIFIED FOR A BID. SUCH BIDS WILL NOT COUNT TOWARD QUALIFICATION TO THE TOC. > > DEADLINES: BOTH FULLY-QUALIFIED AND AT-LARGE APPLICATIONS WITH FEES ARE DUE IN > LEXINGTON BY MARCH 15, 2005. PLEASE NOTE, NOT POSTMARKED ON THIS DATE, BUT IN > LEXINGTON BY THIS DATE. > > THE ROAD TO THE FIFTH TOC OF THE TWENTY-FIRST CENTURY > DATES: SATURDAY, SUNDAY, MONDAY > APRIL 30, MAY 1, AND 2, 2005 > > TOURNAMENT HOTEL: RAMADA INN (ASK FOR INTERNET ACCESSIBILITY) > > PHONE # - 859-299-1261 (Hotel is rapidly filling) > > DISCLAIMER: THE RESULTS POSTED FROM EACH TOURNAMENT ARE ALWAYS SUBJECT TO > CHANGE IF THE TOURNAMENT DIRECTOR REPORTS THAT A MISTAKE WAS MADE IN THE > ORIGINAL CERTIFICATION. IT SHOULD ALSO BE NOTED THAT THE NAMES ARE SPELLED AS > REPORTED BY THE TOURNAMENT DIRECTOR AND ARE SUBJECT TO CORRECTION IF A > MISSPELLING HAS APPEARED. > > 1) TOURNAMENT DIRECTORS PLEASE NOTE: WHEN CERTIFYING THE TOC QUALIFIERS PLEASE > INCLUDE FULL NAME, SCHOOL, AND STATE OF THE DEBATERS. > > 2) COACHES AND DEBATERS PLEASE NOTE: A DEBATER IN LD OR A TEAM IN POLICY MUST > ACTUALLY PARTICIPATE IN A QUALIFYING ROUND TO RECEIVE A TOC 'BID.' IN OTHER > WORDS, IF A DEBATER OR TEAM DOES NOT DEBATE THE ROUND FOR WHATEVER REASON THEY > CANNOT RECEIVE A TOC 'BID' FOR THAT ROUND. THIS REQUIREMENT WAS OVERWHELMINGLY > RECOMMENDED BY THE TOC ADVISORY COMMITTEE . > > DOWLING (IA) > > Tim Sheaff, Director of the Dowling Catholic Debate Tournament in Iowa, has > certified the TOC Qualifiers for 2005. The Dowling Catholic Debate Tournament > is a TOC Qualifier in Policy at the semi-final level and in Lincoln Douglas > Debate at the final level. Policy Leodis McCray and Geoffry Stone Kansas City Central (MO) Dan Rocklin and Elliot Weiss Iowa City West (IA) Lauren Gannon and Emily Gesing Cedar Rapids Washington (IA) Matt Jarvey and Kyle Vint Cedar Rapids Washington (IA) Lincoln Douglas Ernie Rose Des Moines North (IA) Kate Rice Iowa City West (IA) AUBURN (WA) ` Bob Horlick, Director of the Auburn Invitational in Washington, has certified the TOC Qualifiers for 2005. Auburn is a TOC Qualifier in Lincoln Douglas Debate at the semi-finals level and in policy at the finals level. POLICY Spencer Janyk and David Heck Sehome H.S. (WA) Allen Jacson and Paul Montreuil Eagle H.S. (ID) LINCOLN DOUGLAS Sam Grausz Mercer Island H.S. (WA) Jeff Kingshott Mt. Vernon H.S. (WA) Sam Kleiner Catalina Foothills H.S. (AZ) Rebecca Sivitz Bainbridge Island H.S. (WA) COLLEGE PREP (CA) Lexy Green, Director of the College Prep Debate Tournament in California, has certified the TOC Qualifiers for 2005. College Prep is a TOC Qualifier at the finals level in LD Debate. LD Shyaam Subramanian Lynbrook (CA) Mike Joshi James Logan (CA) VALLEY MID AMERICA CUP (IA) Sonja Hansen, Director of the Mid America Cup in Iowa, has certified the TOC Qualifiers for 2005. Mid America is a TOC Qualifier in Policy Debate at the Semi-Finals Level and in LD Debate at the quarter finals level. POLICY Grant Dasher and Nathan Elliott Edina (MN) Kathy Bowen and Sasha Tuzel Gulliver Prep (FL) Bistra Anguelova and CC Huang Iowa City West (IA) Emily Gessing and Lauren Gannon Cedar Rapids Washington (IA) LD Jessica Duby Hockaday (TX) Adwait Parker Paul D. Schreiber (NY) Prashant Rai Mountain View (CA) Fabien Thayamballi Mission San Jose (CA) Sam Abba Des Moines North (IA) Katie Poulos St. Paul Highland Park (MN) Ernie Rose Des Moines North (IA) Kim Larson Des Moines North (IA) CRESTIAN (FL) Ernie Querido, Director of the The Crestian Debate Tournament in Florida, has certified the TOC Qualifiers for 2005. The Crestian is a TOC Qualifier in Lincoln Douglas Debate at the Quarter- Finals Level. LINCOLN DOUGLAS Sara Robinson Atlantic HS (FL) Evan Mayo Battle Ground Academy (TN) Peter Sturdivant Battle Ground Academy (TN) Nathan Musgrove Battle Ground Academy (TN) JR Thorsen Lake Highland Preparatory (FL) Michael Holzer Lake Highland Preparatory (FL) Brent Bielski Lake Highland Preparatory (FL) Matthew Best Nova (FL) Sincerely, JW Patterson TOC Director and Founder _______________________________________________ cx-l mailing list cx-l at debate.net http://total.confusion.net/mailman/listinfo/cx-l ------ End of Forwarded Message -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Finally thanks to John Foy and the Regis debaters, Brian Schrader and John Rief, for just being incredible people, and true friends of ours. We've been through a lot together and this weekend was no exception, but our feeling on the drive home was that there's nobody we'd rather go through it all with. stannard UW debate From jbhdb8 Tue Jan 18 10:33:44 2005 From: jbhdb8 (Josh Hoe) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:33:44 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Miami of Ohio thanks Message-ID: Hello, Just wanted to say what a great time the Wolverines had in Oxford at the Miami of Ohio tournament. Thanks to Ben, Steve, Sarah, Omar, and all the debaters and coaches at Miami of Ohio. Congratulations also to Case Western for winning the tournament. Thanks agian, the hospitality, administration, and the tvs available for football were all outstanding. Wireless in the hotel, at the campus, and providing a full computer lab with free printing was OURSTANDING! Thanks again, Josh From dave Tue Jan 18 11:22:22 2005 From: dave (David Steinberg) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 12:22:22 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] 2005 NCA Call for Papers Message-ID: <001b01c4fd82$48b2f500$9fe0ab81@com.nb> Cross Examination Debate Association David L. Steinberg, University of Miami, 305-284-5553 dave at miami.edu The Cross Examination Debate Association invites submission of papers, panels, or extended abstracts for the 2005 National Communication Association Convention to be held in Boston, Massachusetts on November 16-20. CEDA encourages scholarship which promotes and develops understanding of argumentation and debate in contexts including but not limited to academic debate, political debate, legal argumentation, and debate in the public sphere. Proposals for presentation and discussion of issues important to competitive debate practice as well as argumentation theory, philosophy of argument, advocacy, decision making, argument across cultures and argument in applied contexts are welcomed, as are interdisciplinary linkages within and beyond the Field(s) of Communication. Submissions which address the Convention theme, "The Health of Discipline," are also encouraged. All submissions must be made electronically through the NCA Convention online program planning system (All Academic). The DEADLINE for submissions is February 16, 2005. David L. Steinberg, Director of Debate University of Miami PO Box 248127 Coral Gables, FL 33124 Wolfson Building #3015 305-284-5553 (office) 305-284-5216 (fax) dave at miami.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20050118/6679ecd3/attachment.html From blackdebateguy Tue Jan 18 11:59:04 2005 From: blackdebateguy (doug dennis) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 09:59:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [eDebate] Re: Why do you doubt me In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050118175904.45076.qmail@web50203.mail.yahoo.com> you are correct...some of us are just lazy:) but seriously, it's not just a racial thing, it's part of the arrogance of the activity. we need to look at ourselves and be honest with our prejedgements and try to deal with them from there... doug d Cleverprof at aol.com wrote: Ed: I agree in part, disagree elsewhere. First, I agree that if you have a problem with a judge or a team and discuss it, you should name people. Second, I am not sure if the people herein understand the looks you receive when you are an African-American (Black) judge. I have found that most debaters typically assume that (1) you are not qualified, and (2) you will vote to the minority team, despite nuclear war impacts, and critical thought, or (3) you are in over your head. Third, what do most teams think when they see an African-American at the back of the room that they do not know and never heard about? I believe that some debaters assume that she is clueless, never went to Nats, never competed sucessfully. We need further discussion. Mark --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! ? Try it today! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Joe Carver Whitman College -- "What would love be without wishful thinking" Wilco Listen in to HARD FEELINGS, Tuesdays at 11 a.m. on KWCW http://www.hardfeelings.net From Ceda2vp Tue Jan 18 12:52:40 2005 From: Ceda2vp (Ceda2vp at cs.com) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 13:52:40 EST Subject: [eDebate] Lakeland, Keenan posts Message-ID: <1ac.2fe0f4d5.2f1eb4f8@cs.com> The message that I sent on our internal NYC listserv is reprinted below. The views expressed in the previous posts on this matter do not reflect the opinions or official position of the IMPACT Coalition or our program the NYUDL in any way, shape or form nor are they condoned by us. Several program alumni and others have already backchanneled reminders of what we stand for and believe as a program internally. Appropriate conversations will ensue. Responsible Communication It is MLK Day today. There is no better time to celebrate and be conscious of the power of words we deploy and the potential for greatness which exisits. On several occassions over the last year, I have been disgusted and disappointed by exchanges that have happened on this listserv. I've stayed out of the discussion, hoping that the free marketplace of ideas and the grip of commonsense would solve but with the messages reaching a fever pitch once again, I feel compelled to join the conversation. As public speakers and agents of critical thought, we have a unique responsibility to engage our differences in ways that are not demeaning to others, use appropriate language and move the discourse forward in ways that we will be proud of when we look back on it the next day, the next month or the next year. The practice is contagious and pays back dividends once it takes hold. Posting on a listserv is a privilege not a right. It presumes an understanding that there are novices who are looking to senior members and coaches as role models, that there are those who are checking out debate to decide if they wish to join and participate. Most importantly, it presumes that there will be a "safe space" to communicate ideas, exchange logistics and information, without being subjected to the toxicity and hostility which has erupted periodically. There is not a right to inflict your choices and conflicts on others in this forum. The fact that part of this discussion revolves around an IMPACT program and relates to issues of defending debaters and people I care about sickens me. History is litterd with examples of people fighting, killing, committing rhetorical violence, in the name of this or that cause or group. Governments, terrorists, deluded individuals and others have been led astray believing that these efforts were just. IMPACT did not ask anyone to demean in our name or the name of our program. We try hard to find other ways and model that for the high school students who look to us. Do not be confused, this message does not pretend that everyone gets along in some pollyanish world. Some folks you will like and others you won't. Some will treat you fairly. Others will not. It does presume that any person who participates in policy debate, works as a part of the NY Coalition, and gives of their time deserves to be addressed and treated in a manner of respect in a PUBLIC FORUM. And further, if someone falls beneath that standard in your estimation, it becomes EVEN more incumbent upon you to elevate the conversation instead of falling to their depths. The signficance of people's choices and postings are apparently unclear. I do not look forward to having to explain away the irresponsible communication choices of others and will not allow the advance of debate in the city to be held libel. As I've said in the past, people do not have any idea who is shadowing this listserv (deans, novices, former hs debaters) and have no right to jeopardize this space for others. We need to be welcoming and recognize that our numbers are way too small to be assisted by internal squabbles much less internal squabbles that become public. Step One: Think Before You Send An Email Step Two: Think If It REALLY Needs to Go to the Listserve Step Three: Attempt Resolution & Discussion Through Backchannel Step Four: Think of Ways to Re-frame Your Message Positively So Others Gain Someone else, far wiser and greater than I, had a dream that was repeated for years to come. I just have an expectation that we can do much better. Peace & Justice, Will Baker Chief Executive Officer, IMPACT Coalition Steinhardt School of Education Culture and Communication Department Director of Debate, New York University 330 West 42nd Street Suite 2420 New York, NY 10036 212-702-0944 (tel) 212-471-8664 (fax) wb17 at nyu.edu Help us have an IMPACT. Support debate in schools and in your community. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20050118/5f80670c/attachment.html From lemuel30034 Tue Jan 18 13:05:34 2005 From: lemuel30034 (Ed Williams) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:05:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [eDebate] Response to Mr. Winn Message-ID: <20050118190534.14372.qmail@web54210.mail.yahoo.com> Dear Mr. Winn, You still did not answer the question I ask concerning why this was a race question versus a disagreement about a decision. Can a coach not disagree with a decision without being racist? Does he or she not also have the right to walk out in disgust? I think he or she does. I agree problems exist in all levels of debate, but not all problems begin with race. I also understand your concern about judges telling some of your students that they do not belong in debate. I disagree with any judge that says someone does not belong. Now, that is practice you should challenge openly, and call those people out in a public forum. I would like to know those names, however I do not think that was the issue in the debate you were judging. If you had a problem with the way Kevin treated you that should first been between you and Kevin, and then if you still felt slighted then maybe this forum-that is why I used the mountain and molehill analogy. Coaches and judges disagreeing is good for this activity. It is ok if we do not see debates the same way, but we should as coaches and judges talk about decisions and even walk out on decisions in which we disagree if people so choose. If I posted in this forum every time one of my fellow coaches not of color disagreed with my decision then I might have little time for other things. Coaches by nature tend not to agree when their teams lose no matter who the judge happens to be. This activity will move forward when we start dealing with people as individuals, and find common ground. If you have a problem with the tab room at Lexington, then talk to the people at Lexington. The tab room are the only people that can provide you with an explanation for why you did not judge the last four debates. If the tab room told you that a coach compliant was the reason why you were not allowed to judge-then call them out for that. We are teaching debate skills because we think good communicators can transform the world by bridging gaps between different groups in our society. We must practice what we preach by first talking to each other when we coaches disagree. Ed __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From michaelklinger Tue Jan 18 13:18:33 2005 From: michaelklinger (Michael Klinger) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 13:18:33 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] NWU BM Challenge Message-ID: To Big Bird and Ernie- Josh, it?s great to see you managed to pull that dead weight all the way through another tournament. Unfortunately, in the process you?ve been awarded something that we?d like to have back, namely the WDA title belts. If you want, you could save time and effort by just bringing them to Dartmouth and handing them over to us now. Or, a more sporting offer would be to put them up for grabs to the winner of the Round Robin. Given the stiff competition, it would be an impressive forum in which to begin your title belt defense. Refusing to compete for the belts at Dartmouth would essentially covet them until the NDT since you host the only other major invitational this semester. While this is a move that you no doubt have considered, it would represent an unparalleled degree of cowardice, even for a couple of Astros fans. In all seriousness, congratulations on a truly outstading performance at West Georgia... perhaps the boys really are "back in town." Yours, Harvard KT _________________________________________________________________ Don?t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From michaelklinger Tue Jan 18 13:37:53 2005 From: michaelklinger (Michael Klinger) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 13:37:53 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] Who Wants Some?! Message-ID: I feel like Tejinder doing all this shit-talking on edebate, but here it goes? Stacey and I are going to return to the Heart of America tournament this year to defend our title. The purpose of this email is to invite/harass any and all competitors who want a piece of the action. Surely someone from the high school class of 2001 wants some revenge for the days when Stacey and I beat on y?all like a herd of rented mules. And if that forcibly arrogant and questionably offensive remark doesn?t do the trick, Stacey called out some of the following people/teams specifically: Scotty P. [if you haven't switched to Parli you should come and debate with Darren, OR, and think about this: Ballen] Alex More [If you could get Eddie Ahn that would be killer, but Snapel is ok too] Tristan [c'mon buddy, Kansas City casinos? Varant?] Greenstein [c'mon buddy,Kansas City casinos? um... Singer?] Pitt JM [you rule] MSU HV [every story needs a villain] West Georgia KT [you have my team initials, i'd like them back] Berkeley RS [her exact words were, ?I?m sick of this A Team ?controversy? let?s settle this shit once and for all?] Kansas CS/JT [you?re already there! Step up and dance!] Wake CH [this is easily as much fun as the policy round robin] Anyone from Dartmouth [you used to bring teams to this event, where has the love gone?] Also, I'm not sure if any eligibility requirements apply at this tournament, if not, the following teams should also consider themselves challenged: Dartmouth [Berger/Thorpe] Glenbrook North [Shalmon/Powers] Georgia [Ramachandrappa/Watson] Kentucky [Hubbard/Tetzlaff] Michigan State [Strauss/Stahl] Whitman [Olney/Blank] Michigan [Feldman/Oden] Kentucky [Patil/Skiermont] Ok, with the excpetion of most of the last section, we're being totally serious that everyone with the chance should come to the Heart to debate. Remember people, this tournament lets you debate with ANYONE. Unregardless of whether or not you have a bone to pick with Snathan and me, debating at the Heart is a lot of fun. It?s the only tournament that has yellow sub and no elim side constraints. So please, everyone, come to Kansas and throw down?if you dare. Cheers, Klinger and Stacey p.s. Anyone who doesn't want to debate at the Heart is a racist. There I've said it. _________________________________________________________________ Don?t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From gabejmurillo Tue Jan 18 14:24:57 2005 From: gabejmurillo (gabe murillo) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 12:24:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [eDebate] Someone from Iowa Message-ID: <20050118202457.24847.qmail@web51907.mail.yahoo.com> hey, I was hoping to get some cites... specifically the north korea disad you read in octas at West Georgia, and your states CP cards that say it leads to federal legislation and answers to the state budget da thanks gabe murillo wayne state __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com From jd.rollins Tue Jan 18 14:37:04 2005 From: jd.rollins (Joel Rollins) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 14:37:04 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] thanks WGA! In-Reply-To: <41EBBAFE.1000501@wfu.edu> References: <41EBBAFE.1000501@wfu.edu> Message-ID: just wanted to thank mike, sarah, jenny, james, sharp (virtual wga), joe, and the rest of the wga crew for another outstanding job. if you haven't heard about the speaker awards, they are something special-- joel On Jan 17, 2005, at 7:17 AM, ross smith wrote: > Jenny Heidt here... > > My edebate post about the judges last night was "awaiting moderation." > Sorry. > > Bracket and judges: > > 1-Northwestern BM meets 16-Northwestern DJ > 2-Wake CH v 15-Iowa KL with Shalmon, Heidt, Stevenson > 3-Emory GP v 14-FHSU RB with Maurer, Turner, Wiese > 4-Texas AM v 13-Georgia CW with Newnam, Garen, Varda > 5-Emory CG (A) v 12-CSU Long Beach with Whitmore, Eastwood, Vats > 11-Dartmouth BeMa (A) v 6-MSU HV with Smith, Stevens, Deatherage > 7-MSU BH v 10-Dartmouth BrMa with Waldinger, Lacy, Silber > 8-Alabama GS v 9-Dartmouth CS with Atchison, Ramachandrappa, Roland > > _______________________________________________ > eDebate mailing list > eDebate at ndtceda.com > To subscribe, UNSUBSCRIBE, and see the subscriber list, go here: > http://ndtceda.com/mailman/listinfo/edebate > > Joel D. Rollins, Ph.D. Director University of Texas National Institute of Forensics Dept. of Communication Studies CMA 7.114 One University Station A1105 Austin TX 78712 512-471-1918 (o) 512-232-1481 (f) jd.rollins at mail.utexas.edu www.utdebate.com From miamidebate Tue Jan 18 14:50:30 2005 From: miamidebate (Miami Debate Team) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 12:50:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [eDebate] Miami Sanders Results Message-ID: <20050118205030.43661.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> We had a good and chilly tournament this weekend. Here are some results. Novice Speakers 1. Stephanie Misciasci (auggie) 2. Jason Bantle (auggie) 3. Adam Probst (Case) 4. Lindsey Barrett (Capital) 5. Karim Naijairim (Case) Finals Auggie BM d. Case NP 2-1 Weitz, Boykin, Dutcher* (this is one of the cases when the 1 is not on the bottom of the decision) JV 1. Caroline Hogan (U of M) also the 5th speaker in Varsity congrats. 2. Michele Kesling (Wayne, breaking the trend) 3. Laura Pisarello (U of M) 4. Frank Cao (U of M) 5. William Moon (U of M) JV Finals Case BT d. Michigan CM 3-0 Varsity 1. Dylan Keenan (U of M) 2. Justin Joque (U of M) 3. Nick Dorsey (Case) 4. Melvenna Fant (Wayne) 5. Caroline Hogan (U of M) 6. Debbie Lai (MSU) 7. Brian Gillis (Loyola) 8. Nick Denissen (Case) 9. VARSHA (rules) Ramakrishnan (MSU) 10. Christina Reipel (Loyola) Quarters Case DD d. MSU LR 2-1 Warner (Tria)*, Kall, Hoe MSU MT d. Michian FV 3-0 (?) Romanelli, Cherney, Moore Michigan JK d. Loyola DR 3-0 Gonzo, Eber, Eber Wayne FG advances over Wayne ER Semis Case DD d. MSU MT Kall, Dutcher Weitz* 2-1 Michigan JK d. Wayne FG 2-1 Eber A, Gonzo, Kimbrell * Finals Case DD d. Michigan JK 3-0 Siddiq, Cherney, Voth Thanks to everyone for coming out this weekend. And, Wayne, the challenge still stands.... --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20050118/b4202985/attachment.htm From utdallasdebate Tue Jan 18 15:47:46 2005 From: utdallasdebate (UTD Debate) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 15:47:46 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] Seeking JV Hybrid partner at Baylor Message-ID: We have a Junior Varsity debater who needs a partner at the Baylor tournament. She attended ADI during the summer. She cleared at the Wichita, Emporia, and North Texas tournaments. She had the record to clear at the UTD tournament but our own teams were not eligible to do so. Also, she's a talented and very nice person. Please contact me if you know of a suitable match. Thanks, Chris Burk UTD Debate _________________________________________________________________ Don?t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From erm868f Tue Jan 18 15:56:51 2005 From: erm868f (Morris, Eric R) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 15:56:51 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] Seeking Judging For Baylor Message-ID: $25 a round. Backchannel if available. Ermo SMS From paulj567 Tue Jan 18 16:48:36 2005 From: paulj567 (Paul Johnson) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 14:48:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [eDebate] Klinger the Meek In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050118224837.74908.qmail@web53505.mail.yahoo.com> I patently refuse to answer the call to go to the Heart unless Klinger decries the Dartmouth Round Robin as elitist and, in a show of solidarity with the meek, returns to the tournament at the Naval Academy on that very same weekend in order to attempt to exorcise two demons located in Annapolis that he is RUNNING AWAY FROM (and um Fullerton doubles doesnt count so there) -PJ --- Michael Klinger wrote: > I feel like Tejinder doing all this shit-talking on > edebate, but here it > goes? > > Stacey and I are going to return to the Heart of > America tournament this > year to defend our title. The purpose of this email > is to invite/harass any > and all competitors who want a piece of the action. > Surely someone from the > high school class of 2001 wants some revenge for the > days when Stacey and I > beat on y?all like a herd of rented mules. And if > that forcibly arrogant and > questionably offensive remark doesn?t do the trick, > Stacey called out some > of the following people/teams specifically: > > Scotty P. [if you haven't switched to Parli you > should come and debate with > Darren, OR, and think about this: Ballen] > Alex More [If you could get Eddie Ahn that would be > killer, but Snapel is ok > too] > Tristan [c'mon buddy, Kansas City casinos? Varant?] > Greenstein [c'mon buddy,Kansas City casinos? um... > Singer?] > Pitt JM [you rule] > MSU HV [every story needs a villain] > West Georgia KT [you have my team initials, i'd like > them back] > Berkeley RS [her exact words were, ?I?m sick of this > A Team ?controversy? > let?s settle this shit once and for all?] > Kansas CS/JT [you?re already there! Step up and > dance!] > Wake CH [this is easily as much fun as the policy > round robin] > Anyone from Dartmouth [you used to bring teams to > this event, where has the > love gone?] > > Also, I'm not sure if any eligibility requirements > apply at this tournament, > if not, the following teams should also consider > themselves challenged: > > Dartmouth [Berger/Thorpe] > Glenbrook North [Shalmon/Powers] > Georgia [Ramachandrappa/Watson] > Kentucky [Hubbard/Tetzlaff] > Michigan State [Strauss/Stahl] > Whitman [Olney/Blank] > Michigan [Feldman/Oden] > Kentucky [Patil/Skiermont] > > Ok, with the excpetion of most of the last section, > we're being totally > serious that everyone with the chance should come to > the Heart to debate. > Remember people, this tournament lets you debate > with ANYONE. Unregardless > of whether or not you have a bone to pick with > Snathan and me, debating at > the Heart is a lot of fun. It?s the only tournament > that has yellow sub and > no elim side constraints. So please, everyone, come > to Kansas and throw > down?if you dare. > > Cheers, > Klinger and Stacey > > p.s. Anyone who doesn't want to debate at the Heart > is a racist. There I've > said it. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Don?t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN > Search! > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > eDebate mailing list > eDebate at ndtceda.com > To subscribe, UNSUBSCRIBE, and see the subscriber > list, go here: > http://ndtceda.com/mailman/listinfo/edebate > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From mvega69 Tue Jan 18 17:06:08 2005 From: mvega69 (M Vega) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 23:06:08 +0000 Subject: [eDebate] Kansas City Area College Debaters--make some money In-Reply-To: Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20050118/7a008983/attachment.html From delliott Tue Jan 18 17:35:58 2005 From: delliott (Darren Elliott) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 17:35:58 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] Eric Marlow or SELA Rep Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.1.20050118173510.01c4e478@kckcc.toto.net> Marlow or anyone at SELA (which I guess would be Zach!) please shoot me an email. Thanks Chief Darren Elliott Director of Debate KCKCC From andy.edebate Tue Jan 18 18:47:58 2005 From: andy.edebate (Andy Ellis) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 19:47:58 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] brushke system some questions for the community Message-ID: <9368bc9b05011816474078137a@mail.gmail.com> Hello not trying to provoke a fight, aint got an agenda , just asking some questions 1)I have noticed that some regional tournaments dont use the brushke system for enteries and others do. Do folks think this effects participation at tournaments? If for example you where deciding weather or not to go to a tournament and one of them listed 40 some odd teams as early as two to three weeks ahead of time and the other one listed no one until two or three days at the earliest would you prefer to go to the tournament thats entries where public and transparent or to the more traditionaly attened tournaments? 2) If the same scenario applies and both are listed on the brushke site and one has lots of entries and the other has been sparsley entered does that effect your decision? 3)Will any of the districts that rank debaters for their district tournament use the brushke rankings as a offical objective determianat? 4)finally, has the brushke inspired trend in transparency helped, hurt, or been nuetral regarding how you prepare for a tournament? 5) How would people feel about making the brushke system at bot the entry and the results level a requirement for ceda sanctioning of tournaments? A From cornellforensics Tue Jan 18 19:34:04 2005 From: cornellforensics (Jethro Hayman) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 20:34:04 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Cornell Tournament Message-ID: Dear Debate Community, Cornell will be hosting a full-service Forensics tournament Jan 28-30 in Ithaca. Please register for the tournament on the www.debateresults.com website. The invite and all needed information is available there. However, I have also attached the invite for your convenience. We will have three divisions of policy debate and extraordinary hospitality. We look forward to seeing many of you soon in south central NY! -- Jethro A Hayman Director of Forensics Society Argumentation and Debate Instructor Department of Communication Cornell University 301 Kennedy Hall jethro at cornell.edu 607-255-2124 office 607-351-4427 cell -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Kristin From hansonjb Tue Jan 18 22:53:22 2005 From: hansonjb (Jim Hanson) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 20:53:22 -0800 Subject: [eDebate] brushke system some questions for the community References: <9368bc9b05011816474078137a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <160501c4fde3$bc15b800$ed07070a@whitman.edu> i'll respond; see below ------ jim :) hansonjb at whitman.edu ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Ellis" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 4:47 PM Subject: [eDebate] brushke system some questions for the community Hello not trying to provoke a fight, aint got an agenda , just asking some questions 1)I have noticed that some regional tournaments dont use the brushke system for enteries and others do. Do folks think this effects participation at tournaments? If for example you where deciding weather or not to go to a tournament and one of them listed 40 some odd teams as early as two to three weeks ahead of time and the other one listed no one until two or three days at the earliest would you prefer to go to the tournament thats entries where public and transparent or to the more traditionaly attened tournaments? ------in the two and a half years of operation, this affected our decision to travel only once and only partially--other factors were probably more prominent. our decisions of what tournaments to travel to are based on habit and based on what "people are saying" will be the "good" tournaments to go to (good, meaning ones that fit what we want for our teams, a criteria that varies). we typically make our travel decisions in august which is why we don't change our travel schedule based on what the results page shows is a heavy versus light turnout. 2) If the same scenario applies and both are listed on the brushke site and one has lots of entries and the other has been sparsley entered does that effect your decision? ------perhaps but again, only once has that happened. basically, i don't want to go to a tournament that lacks enough competition (typically i would define enough as being 15 teams) 3)Will any of the districts that rank debaters for their district tournament use the brushke rankings as a offical objective determianat? -------i won't. i will look at results and head to heads at the site though. 4)finally, has the brushke inspired trend in transparency helped, hurt, or been nuetral regarding how you prepare for a tournament? -------i think it helps. you get constant updates of who is going to be at the tournament--and the students get more access to it. in the past, entries weren't even known sometimes and when they were, they were emailed/sent to the coach only and that required another step to get to the students. 5) How would people feel about making the brushke system at bot the entry and the results level a requirement for ceda sanctioning of tournaments? -------i would prefer it for two reasons. one, for my and jon's sake: when tournaments don't use the system, it adds work to what jon has to do (he has to make more corrections in the team names i believe when he adds in the tournament data though jon would be best to confirm this)--and usually that means more work for me (for the ndt rankings system as it usually means more errors in the results that i need to fix). two, so people can see who's coming to the tournament and for ease of tournament entry. jim :) A _______________________________________________ eDebate mailing list eDebate at ndtceda.com To subscribe, UNSUBSCRIBE, and see the subscriber list, go here: http://ndtceda.com/mailman/listinfo/edebate From kenedebate Tue Jan 18 23:42:27 2005 From: kenedebate (Ken DeLaughder) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 23:42:27 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] ADA "rules" - Auggie... someone? (how about Matt moore!) Message-ID: I'm not trying to start another ada discussion, but I do need some help. I know I should pay attention when the ADA folks talk about this stuff, but I usually wander through those posts, and so I'll pay for it now. I've read the rules as written, but can anyone from Augustana, ADA land, etc clarify the following rules... The Kritik rule, how is it enforced, what types of criticisms don't break the rules, etc... what the part about alternatives mean. Are kritiks of methodology ok? etc? The counterplan rule, how is it enforced, and what exactly do the limitations mean...does the topicalilty rule means that PICs arent allowed (that a good chunk of emporia files.. heh) whats the deal about stuff linking.. etc... I know its supposed to be, but is this stuff really voting issues, what gets excluded, etc... and who decides all of this? We talked about strats today for Auggie, when someone mentioned they might violate rules! I forgot Augustana was an ADA tournament. If anyone has clarifications or insights to offer, help me out here, its our first foray into that stuff! I'd hate for my kids to lose rounds on that stuff. Ken _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement From debate Wed Jan 19 00:36:46 2005 From: debate (debate at ou.edu) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 00:36:46 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] 2nd Round Requirements Message-ID: <4f07d042558d.41edab9e@ou.edu> I have a question and i know someone who reads this harbors the answer. How many rounds are required for a team to apply for a second round? and Is that total between both debaters? or as a team? Peace, Massey OU Debate From sberr7uk Wed Jan 19 01:13:41 2005 From: sberr7uk (scott m. berry) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 02:13:41 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Need Some Help to get a Bigger Squad Room Message-ID: <1106118821.7ddd8e60sberr7uk@umw.edu> Hello all My name is Scott Berry from Mary Washington. We're putting together a proposal to our administration in which we're asking for a larger squad room. And we were just wondering what the square footage other teams have. If anybody happens to have this info on hand, off the top of their head, could venture a guess, or measure real quick...our school would be super greatful! Thanks for your help! From el_grindio Wed Jan 19 03:59:57 2005 From: el_grindio (El Grindio) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 03:59:57 -0600 (CST) Subject: [eDebate] Heart of America: GOT JV HYBRID? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050119095957.77711.qmail@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> "What happens at the Heart stays at the Heart" THIS JUST IN: Recovering debater fell off the wagon; starting to again hit the search engines. . . hard. Consumed by debate dependency, spiralling ever downward in a caffeine-frenzy, he cuts ev "to make it all just go away" in the cheap thrills of a lost weekend debating hybrid at that rumored Vegas Wedding Chapel for hybrid debaters: The Heart of America tournament. Him: A former, nonsexist babe-magnet (did it with personality, smoke, mirrors and good lighting) with highly developed research skills, work ethic and the sense of self communicated by authoring this post. . . and his code name: "Have Laptop Will Flow". You: Breathing. Possesing cognitive processes that register favorably on a brain scan. Terminally hip is good but this is key: desire to debate sufficient to brave venturing to a hostile "red state" to compete in something called "The Heart of America" tournament with the above-described usual hybrid suspect. Interested parties please contact: Ken Sherwwod Director of Debate LACC sherwokg at lacitycollege.edu For full disclosure: contact the above responsible adult For the "Hollywood Spin" version: backchannel to "El Grindio" (aka the Artist Formerly Known As A Debater) --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Todo lo que quieres saber de Estados Unidos, Am?rica Latina y el resto del Mundo. Vis?ta Yahoo! Noticias. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20050119/aa36acae/attachment.html From jd.rollins Wed Jan 19 04:44:15 2005 From: jd.rollins (Joel Rollins) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 04:44:15 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] 2nd Round Requirements In-Reply-To: <4f07d042558d.41edab9e@ou.edu> References: <4f07d042558d.41edab9e@ou.edu> Message-ID: <107C6527-6A07-11D9-AB51-000D932B645C@mail.utexas.edu> relevant sections of the standing rules. Second Round At-Large selection: these teams must follow the current procedures for selection, and must meet the 50% or greater preliminary win-loss requirement for Second Round At-Large Bids. b. Eligible teams: To submit for the bid allocation process, a team must have paid their NDT subscription fee and have either (1) a minimum of 18 intercollegiate preliminary rounds on the fall CEDA topic or its NDT topic parallel either both as individuals or as a team of varsity or open debate in at least three tournaments, each consisting of a minimum of 6 preliminary rounds with at least 6 teams from at least four different schools in varsity or open division, or (2) one member of the team with a minimum of 32 intercollegiate preliminary rounds on the fall CEDA topic or its NDT topic parallel in at least four tournaments, each consisting of a minimum of six preliminary rounds, with at least six teams from at least four different schools in varsity or open division (i.e., if one member of the team has at least 32 rounds satisfying the above requirements, no minimum number of rounds is required of the partner in order for the team to be eligible for the bid allocation process). c. Second Round At-Large process. (1) Any teams not selected for participation in the NDT through the First Round At-Large or district processes may apply for a Second Round At-Large bid. (2) All teams selected through the Second Round At-Large process must have a 50% or greater preliminary round win-loss record in rounds on the fall CEDA topic or its NDT topic parallel immediately prior to the District tournament or at the time of submission for second round bids. The team's record for every tournament attended prior to submission must be reported on the application form. (3) Teams submitting Second Round At-Large applications may include a paragraph of explanation concerning extenuating circumstances. (4) Unless a school has received two bids in the First Round At-Large process, participation in the district process shall be a prerequisite for receipt of a Second Round At-Large selection. (5) If a school has not qualified two teams through a First Round At-Large or district process, it shall not be eligible to qualify a third team through the Second Round At-Large process unless the team(s) that participated in the district process shall also have qualified through the Second Round At-Large process. (6) The next two lower teams that do not qualify for Second Round At-Large bids will be designated as first and second alternate. (7) Should there be an odd number of teams selected through the three qualification processes, the first alternate (or the second, should the first be unable to attend), will be allowed to participate at the National Debate Tournament. Should there be no additional alternate teams, the tournament director will make arrangements to assure an even number of teams. On Jan 19, 2005, at 12:36 AM, debate at ou.edu wrote: > I have a question and i know someone who reads this harbors the answer. > > How many rounds are required for a team to apply for a second round? > and > Is that total between both debaters? or as a team? > > Peace, > > Massey > OU Debate > > _______________________________________________ > eDebate mailing list > eDebate at ndtceda.com > To subscribe, UNSUBSCRIBE, and see the subscriber list, go here: > http://ndtceda.com/mailman/listinfo/edebate > > Joel D. Rollins, Ph.D. Director University of Texas National Institute of Forensics Dept. of Communication Studies CMA 7.114 One University Station A1105 Austin TX 78712 512-471-1918 (o) 512-232-1481 (f) jd.rollins at mail.utexas.edu www.utdebate.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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E >From: Joel Rollins >To: debate at ou.edu >CC: edebate at ndtceda.com >Subject: Re: [eDebate] 2nd Round Requirements >Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 04:44:15 -0600 > >relevant sections of the standing rules. > > > >Second Round At-Large selection: these teams must follow the current >procedures for selection, and must meet the 50% or greater preliminary >win-loss requirement for Second Round At-Large Bids. > >b. Eligible teams: To submit for the bid allocation process, a team must >have paid their NDT subscription fee and have either (1) a minimum of 18 >intercollegiate preliminary rounds on the fall CEDA topic or its NDT topic >parallel either both as individuals or as a team of varsity or open debate >in at least three tournaments, each consisting of a minimum of 6 >preliminary rounds with at least 6 teams from at least four different >schools in varsity or open division, or (2) one member of the team with a >minimum of 32 intercollegiate preliminary rounds on the fall CEDA topic or >its NDT topic parallel in at least four tournaments, each consisting of a >minimum of six preliminary rounds, with at least six teams from at least >four different schools in varsity or open division (i.e., if one member of >the team has at least 32 rounds satisfying the above requirements, no >minimum number of rounds is required of the partner in order for the team >to be eligible for the bid allocation process). > >c. Second Round At-Large process. > > (1) Any teams not selected for participation in the NDT through the First >Round At-Large or district processes may apply for a Second Round At-Large >bid. > > (2) All teams selected through the Second Round At-Large process must >have a 50% or greater preliminary round win-loss record in rounds on the >fall CEDA topic or its NDT topic parallel immediately prior to the District >tournament or at the time of submission for second round bids. The team's >record for every tournament attended prior to submission must be reported >on the application form. > >(3) Teams submitting Second Round At-Large applications may include a >paragraph of explanation concerning extenuating circumstances. > > (4) Unless a school has received two bids in the First Round At-Large >process, participation in the district process shall be a prerequisite for >receipt of a Second Round At-Large selection. > > (5) If a school has not qualified two teams through a First Round >At-Large or district process, it shall not be eligible to qualify a third >team through the Second Round At-Large process unless the team(s) that >participated in the district process shall also have qualified through the >Second Round At-Large process. > > (6) The next two lower teams that do not qualify for Second Round >At-Large bids will be designated as first and second alternate. > > (7) Should there be an odd number of teams selected through the three >qualification processes, the first alternate (or the second, should the >first be unable to attend), will be allowed to participate at the National >Debate Tournament. Should there be no additional alternate teams, the >tournament director will make arrangements to assure an even number of >teams. > > >On Jan 19, 2005, at 12:36 AM, debate at ou.edu wrote: > >>I have a question and i know someone who reads this harbors the answer. >> >>How many rounds are required for a team to apply for a second round? >>and >>Is that total between both debaters? or as a team? >> >>Peace, >> >>Massey >>OU Debate >> >>_______________________________________________ >>eDebate mailing list >>eDebate at ndtceda.com >>To subscribe, UNSUBSCRIBE, and see the subscriber list, go here: >>http://ndtceda.com/mailman/listinfo/edebate >> >> >Joel D. Rollins, Ph.D. >Director University of Texas National Institute of Forensics >Dept. of Communication Studies CMA 7.114 >One University Station A1105 >Austin TX 78712 > >512-471-1918 (o) >512-232-1481 (f) >jd.rollins at mail.utexas.edu >www.utdebate.com From jem144+ Wed Jan 19 07:27:07 2005 From: jem144+ (Jane Munksgaard) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 08:27:07 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] ATTN: JOE KOEHLE OR ANYONE WHO TALKS TO HIM Message-ID: <140993668.1106123227@debate2> Emailing didn't work. Calling didn't work. You have forced me into PUBLIC SHAMING. If you are Joe send me my keys. If you are not Joe, but you talk to him on IM, the phone, or email your first question should be: did you send Jane her keys? I was more than happy to let you chill at my house so you didn?t have to wait at the airport for your Cali swing flight but come on. It?s COLD in Pittsburgh. Even colder when its 2 AM, I?m drunk, my roommate?s phones are off, and I?m locked out. Sorry to waste people?s email space with this but I?m sure you all had a good laugh imagining me drunk and locked out in the snow. From bigbabyjesus4eva Wed Jan 19 10:10:22 2005 From: bigbabyjesus4eva (joseph illyich) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 16:10:22 +0000 Subject: [eDebate] silly jane, trusting the WGLF Message-ID: should have known they would steal your keys _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From overbey Wed Jan 19 10:33:27 2005 From: overbey (Daniel Overbey) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:33:27 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Navy Entries/ Judging Message-ID: The online entry system is now closed. Any changes to entries need to be emailed to me at this point. These changes include covering your judging, especially if you are 21 rounds shy of your comittment at this point (you know who you are). Also, if you are bringing lots of judges who are partial comittments we will be offering them cash money to judge some extra rounds. Please be cooperative, our options are to buy more judging or to draft people. Please, please, please, let me know if you are intending to hire judging, hired judges in Annapolis are VERY SCARCE (and thus very expensive for both of us). Dan From berchnorto Wed Jan 19 11:01:02 2005 From: berchnorto (NEIL BERCH) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:01:02 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Navy Entries/ Judging In-Reply-To: Message-ID: West Virginia University still has 2 full judges available for hire if the price is right. Email with an offer. --Neil Berch West Virginia University >From: "Daniel Overbey" >To: >Subject: [eDebate] Navy Entries/ Judging >Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:33:27 -0500 > >The online entry system is now closed. Any changes to entries need to >be emailed to me at this point. > >These changes include covering your judging, especially if you are 21 >rounds shy of your comittment at this point (you know who you are). >Also, if you are bringing lots of judges who are partial comittments we >will be offering them cash money to judge some extra rounds. Please be >cooperative, our options are to buy more judging or to draft people. > >Please, please, please, let me know if you are intending to hire >judging, hired judges in Annapolis are VERY SCARCE (and thus very >expensive for both of us). > >Dan > > >_______________________________________________ >eDebate mailing list >eDebate at ndtceda.com >To subscribe, UNSUBSCRIBE, and see the subscriber list, go here: >http://ndtceda.com/mailman/listinfo/edebate From FijiPapabear Wed Jan 19 11:07:39 2005 From: FijiPapabear (FijiPapabear at aol.com) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:07:39 EST Subject: [eDebate] JOHN RIEF holler Message-ID: <1de.32f1f462.2f1feddb@aol.com> John get back to me. Subsequently i have a feeling glue will get back to me first so i will take both of you, (prolly not man enough to) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20050119/13927a44/attachment.html From alfred.snider Wed Jan 19 11:28:36 2005 From: alfred.snider (Alfred C. Snider) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:28:36 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] CEDA East/NDT Dist 8 Invite Message-ID: Due to popular input from members and the District 8 rules we will have a two-day tournament. ------------ LAWRENCE DEBATE UNION 475 Main St., University of Vermont Burlington, Vermont 05405-4225 802-656-0097 FAX 802-656-4275 Email: Alfred.snider at uvm.edu The Lawrence Debate Union and the University of Vermont are proud to invite you to: THE ROBERT HUBER DEBATES CEDA EAST CHAMPIONSHIP DISTRICT 8 NDT QUALIFIER February 26-27 2005 Robert Huber coached debate at the University of Vermont for over 45 years, winning several national titles. He invented the plan and was named one of NCA's outstanding members of the 20th century. He arranged for the endowment of the LDU and the Lawrence Professorship. We hold this tournament each year to salute his commitment to debate. This year we are very pleased to be able to host the CEDA EAST CHAMPIONSHIP in junior varsity, and novice divisions. We will also be hosting the DISTRICT 8 NDT QUALIFIER on this weekend. We urge all schools to support BOTH competitions. We will try and coordinate the two competitions as much as possible. We urge all varsity teams attending to enter the NDT Qualifier division. The tournament will feature six rounds of Cross Examination Debate Association/National Debate Tournament debating on the 2004-2005 CEDA/NDT topic. There will be divisions of switch-side debating at the NDT Qualifier, Junior Varsity CEDA (students in their first two years of college debating), and Novice CEDA (CEDA definition of "novice") levels. There will be an appropriate number of elimination rounds. Time limits will be 9-3-6 with 10 minutes preparation time. We are asking that judges disclose their decisions and deliver an oral critique unless they would prefer not to. This is a request, not a command. The NDT Qualifier will take place under the rules and procedures of the NDT and District 8. Please contact John Katsulas, Boston College, katsulas at bc.edu for more information. CAUTION: THERE ARE STRINGENT ENTRY REQUIREMENTS FOR THE NDT QUALIFIER, INCLUDING FILING PROOF OF STUDENT ELIGIBILITY. John will handle NDT registration. NDT entries should anticipate paying the normal entry fee for the tournament as well as an additional fee to District 8 for extra judging at the District 8 Qualifier should it be needed. Fees will be $80 per team, but all teams over four will be charged only $50 each. There are VERY FEW hired judges available at $75 per team. Schools are expected to supply six rounds of qualified judging for every two teams entered or else they must hire judging. CAUTION: THE NDT QUALIFIER REQUIREMENT WILL BE DIFFERENT. Unique and memorable awards will be presented to teams placing, the top speakers in each division, the teams qualifying for the NDT, and the judge rated highest in mutual preference. In CEDA East Regionals divisions of debate Prof. Snider will be using the computer program developed by Rich Edwards of Baylor University to pair the tournament. CEDA East Rep. Berch of West Virginia will be invited to participate in pairing and tabulation. Rounds Three, Four, Five and Six will be power-paired high-low within brackets. We will be using the mutual preferred judging system for judge assignment, where each team will rate judges as A, B, or C and then the computer will attempt to assign a judge with the highest mutual preference possible to each round. Mutual preference judge sheets must be turned at the end of Round One in order to take effect in later rounds. In the NDT Qualifier Prof. Snider will be arrange for pairing the tournament according to District VIII and NDT rules. There will be four pre-set debates, two power paired debates, and run-off rounds if necessary. Schools who are financially strapped may apply for free dorm housing (warm and dry but not luxurious). Extra judging can always be swapped for fee reduction. GIVE US YOUR PRELIMINARY ENTRY AS SOON AS YOU CAN! Email alfred.snider at uvm.edu or 802-656-0097. AND FOR NDT QUALIFIER John Katsulas, Boston College, katsulas at bc.edu. THE ROBERT HUBER COMMEMORATIVE DEBATES February 26-27 2005 Friday, February 25 2005 Registration Call 802-238-8345 on arrival Saturday, February 26 2005 7:00 AM Registration changes by phone (above #) 7:30 AM Beverages & Pastries 8:00 AM Round One 10:30 AM Round Two 12:30 PM Lunch Break - food is served 1:30 PM Round Three 4:00 PM Round Four 6:30 PM Round Five (CEDA only) Sunday, February 27 2005 7:30 AM Beverages & Pastries 8 AM Round Five (NDT Qualifier only) 8 AM Round Six (CEDA) 11:00 AM Elimination Debates (CEDA) 11:00 AM Round Six (NDT Qualifier) 1:30 PM Lunch & Awards 2:30 PM CEDA East Meeting during elims 2:30 PM Elimination Debates (CEDA) 2:30 PM Run-offs (NDT Qualifier) if needed 4:30 PM Elimination Debates 7:00 PM Elimination Debates MOTEL FOR THE TOURNAMENT: Best Western, 1076 Williston, South Burlington 802-863-1125. Ask for UVM DEBATE rate. Which is $69 per night. Reserve early. Other fine spots, but there are no special rates. No promises. Anchorage Inn, 108 Dorset, South Burlington 802-658-3351 (moderate) Comfort Inn, 1285 Williston, Burlington 802-865-3400 (moderate) Ho-Hum Motel, 1660 Williston, South Burlington 802-863-4551 (nifty) Holiday Inn, 1068 Williston, South Burlington 802-863-6361 (typical) Queen City, 428 Shelburne, South Burlington 802-864-4220 (moderate) Ramada, 1117 Williston, South Burlington 802-658-0250 (typical) Sheraton, 870 Williston, South Burlington 802-862-6576 (upscale) Swiss Host, 1272 Williston, South Burlington 802-862-5734 (easy & clean) If you would like to receive housing from us at no charge, you must ask early, tell us the male-female split, and bring towels and sleeping bags. We will try to do our best. Burlington International Airport is served by United (through Chicago), USAir (through Pittsburgh), American (through NYC), Delta (through Boston), Continental, Jetblue, Independence Air and other major airlines. BUY TICKETS EARLY AND SAVE! The hotels and the campus are a short 8-10 minute cab ride from the airport. Taxis are waiting at the airport, but for special taxi needs (large groups, transport around the city) call Benway Taxi at 802-862-1010. We will not be able to supply ground transportation this year. -- --------------------------- Alfred C. Snider, AKA Tuna Edwin W. Lawrence Professor of Forensics, University of Vermont 475 Main, UVM, Burlington, VT 05405 USA World Debate Institute; World Debate Organization 802-238-8345 mobile; 802-656-0097 office; 802-656-4275 fax http://alfred.snider.name website -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20050119/7d2aace4/attachment.htm From dperkins Wed Jan 19 13:50:25 2005 From: dperkins (Dallas Perkins) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:50:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: [eDebate] Northwestern Hotel Needs Message-ID: Greetings. I need one additional double room at the Orrington for the Coon. If anybody has an extra, please drop my a line. Thanks, dp From delliott Wed Jan 19 14:00:24 2005 From: delliott (Darren Elliott) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:00:24 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] Korcok or Lechtrek Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.1.20050119135945.01c8a428@kckcc.toto.net> Would one of you fine Bakersfield boys message me back? chief From delliott Wed Jan 19 14:01:22 2005 From: delliott (Darren Elliott) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:01:22 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] ADA "rules" - Auggie... someone? (how about Matt moore!) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.1.20050119140058.01c669c8@kckcc.toto.net> I agree with Ken. We too are discussing strats today and need some insight before next weekend. Thanks Chief At 11:42 PM 1/18/2005, Ken DeLaughder wrote: >I'm not trying to start another ada discussion, but I do need some help. > >I know I should pay attention when the ADA folks talk about this stuff, >but I usually wander through those posts, and so I'll pay for it >now. I've read the rules as written, but can anyone from Augustana, ADA >land, etc clarify the following rules... > >The Kritik rule, how is it enforced, what types of criticisms don't break >the rules, etc... >what the part about alternatives mean. Are kritiks of methodology ok? etc? > >The counterplan rule, how is it enforced, and what exactly do the >limitations mean...does the topicalilty rule means that PICs arent allowed >(that a good chunk of emporia files.. heh) whats the deal about stuff >linking.. etc... > >I know its supposed to be, but is this stuff really voting issues, what >gets excluded, etc... and who decides all of this? > >We talked about strats today for Auggie, when someone mentioned they might >violate rules! I forgot Augustana was an ADA tournament. If anyone has >clarifications or insights to offer, help me out here, its our first foray >into that stuff! > >I'd hate for my kids to lose rounds on that stuff. > >Ken > >_________________________________________________________________ >On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to >get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement > >_______________________________________________ >eDebate mailing list >eDebate at ndtceda.com >To subscribe, UNSUBSCRIBE, and see the subscriber list, go here: >http://ndtceda.com/mailman/listinfo/edebate From kkuswa Wed Jan 19 14:34:59 2005 From: kkuswa (Kuswa, Kevin) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:34:59 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] ADA "rules" - Auggie... someone? (how about Matt moore!) Message-ID: <12E81F39195C00468C4DE42509951D380231267D@castor.richmond.edu> ultimately it comes down to the judges and the teams. The worse thing you could do would be to change your coaching or arguments or even worry about it very much. The Cp rule has changed to be "CPs must compete"--which gets rid of a lot of the problems. The other problems can usually be debated out in terms of interpretation. The ADA is important for its organization and community, NOT FOR ITS ARCHAIC CONTENT RULES. Just go and debate....if you need to, ask the judge before the round how she feels about rules debates. If you have any other specific questions, you can back-channel me. Kevin U Richmond -----Original Message----- From: edebate-admin at ndtceda.com [mailto:edebate-admin at ndtceda.com] On Behalf Of Darren Elliott Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 3:01 PM To: Ken DeLaughder; eDebate at ndtceda.com Subject: Re: [eDebate] ADA "rules" - Auggie... someone? (how about Matt moore!) I agree with Ken. We too are discussing strats today and need some insight before next weekend. Thanks Chief At 11:42 PM 1/18/2005, Ken DeLaughder wrote: >I'm not trying to start another ada discussion, but I do need some help. > >I know I should pay attention when the ADA folks talk about this stuff, >but I usually wander through those posts, and so I'll pay for it >now. I've read the rules as written, but can anyone from Augustana, ADA >land, etc clarify the following rules... > >The Kritik rule, how is it enforced, what types of criticisms don't break >the rules, etc... >what the part about alternatives mean. Are kritiks of methodology ok? etc? > >The counterplan rule, how is it enforced, and what exactly do the >limitations mean...does the topicalilty rule means that PICs arent allowed >(that a good chunk of emporia files.. heh) whats the deal about stuff >linking.. etc... > >I know its supposed to be, but is this stuff really voting issues, what >gets excluded, etc... and who decides all of this? > >We talked about strats today for Auggie, when someone mentioned they might >violate rules! I forgot Augustana was an ADA tournament. If anyone has >clarifications or insights to offer, help me out here, its our first foray >into that stuff! > >I'd hate for my kids to lose rounds on that stuff. > >Ken > >_________________________________________________________________ >On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to >get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement > >_______________________________________________ >eDebate mailing list >eDebate at ndtceda.com >To subscribe, UNSUBSCRIBE, and see the subscriber list, go here: >http://ndtceda.com/mailman/listinfo/edebate _______________________________________________ eDebate mailing list eDebate at ndtceda.com To subscribe, UNSUBSCRIBE, and see the subscriber list, go here: http://ndtceda.com/mailman/listinfo/edebate From andy.edebate Wed Jan 19 14:44:17 2005 From: andy.edebate (Andy Ellis) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:44:17 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] ADA "rules" -prempting jake In-Reply-To: <12E81F39195C00468C4DE42509951D380231267D@castor.richmond.edu> References: <12E81F39195C00468C4DE42509951D380231267D@castor.richmond.edu> Message-ID: <9368bc9b05011912442a856ee8@mail.gmail.com> > The ADA is important for its organization and community, NOT FOR ITS > ARCHAIC CONTENT RULES. Hey kevin you dont speak for all of us some of us dont think the rules are archaic jake GMU From lsd041 Wed Jan 19 15:22:02 2005 From: lsd041 (Scott Deatherage) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:22:02 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] Northwestern Hotel Info (Orrington) Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20050119150820.032faf28@lulu.it.northwestern.edu> Greetings, all. I hope this note finds you well. We are busily preparing for your arrival in Evanston; as always, we look forward to hosting in February. Two or three quick notes for those of you staying at the Orrington: 1. The Hotel requests that you provide them with a rooming list prior to your arrival. They wish to put all names into their computer. This way, if one of your students looses a room key, they can get another by presenting their ID at the desk. You can e-mail your rooming list to Bris Villanueva, planning coordinator for our event. Her address is brisv at hotelorrington.com. Please take a few minutes to do this in a timely fashion; they do have 500 names to enter into the computer, so it will take some time on their end. Bris is aware that a coach will check in for your entire group; the rooming list will not invalidate your capacity to have one person check-in. The computer system is set-up so that the reservations remain held under the name you used when reserving rooms, with the occupants entered in a different field of the computer screen. 2. If you would, include in your e-mail to Bris an estimated time of arrival at the Hotel. This will help them plan their staffing needs. They are aware that many of your are flying and that, accordingly, your arrival time my be influenced by air traffic delays. 3. Credit card confusion: you do NOT have to fax the Orrington a copy of your credit card in advance if you don't want to. My apologies: I did not know about this request until after it was made to the group. Some of your number brought it to my attention. If you do not do so, you will need to stop at the registration desk, let the person at the desk take an imprint of your card, sign a preprinted registration card, then pick-up your pre-made room keys. If you have or if you do send them a copy of both sides of your credit card, you can skip the swipe and sign step and simply pick-up your keys. I am working on classrooms for the wait list as I write, and will post something about that prior to my departure for Berkeley on Friday. Best. SD Scott Deatherage Director of Debate Northwestern University Evanston, Illinois From vikeenan Wed Jan 19 16:27:35 2005 From: vikeenan (V I Keenan) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:27:35 GMT Subject: [eDebate] ADA "rules" - a sane approach Message-ID: <20050119.142835.23783.1592@webmail26.nyc.untd.com> to second Kevin, I don't really think the ADA seal of approval on a tournie means a judge intervention free for all. In my experience visiting ADA land most folks are reasonable, and the rules are just another standard to evaluate an arguement by IF IT IS ARGUED THAT WAY. (and the only reason I interject is I am decidedly NOT an ADA judge, nor are my teams, but I've had a fluky travel schedule the last 2 seasons so I've gotten a lot of exposure beyond people waving the rule book). Yes, some teams have "it's an ADA rule" in their blocks, but remember there will be lots of non-traditonally ADA judges who, if you ask them (as I have) about their stand on ADA rules, will respond,"What are ADA rules?" It's just judge adaptation, that thing we used to coach before the MJP frenzy. just coach. What makes the ADA unique is that it's a group of folks dedicated to community and novice and jv development, amongst other things, with a particularly legislative approach to it (and a seeming aversion to theory debates in round - although meetings seem to be an entirely different matter.) Besides, some ADA rules can be positive - the no nudity rule forces debaters to do laundry. VIK ___________________________________________________________________ Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/month -visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! From gordonm+ Wed Jan 19 16:46:13 2005 From: gordonm+ (Gordon Mitchell) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:46:13 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] NCA panel on media in the war on terror Message-ID: Hi folks. It's that time of year again to submit scholarly work for presentation at the upcoming the National Communication Association convention in Boston! Last year, you folks FLOODED the American Forensic Association with quality papers and panels - the volume of excellent work submitted enabled us to successfully gain SIX extra slots in the convention schedule! See the slate of 2004 panels here: http://convention.allacademic.com/nca2004/browse_by_division.html?area_id=3 This year, I pass the torch to Carol Winkler, newly elected Vice-president of the AFA, who will be organizing the division's panel slate at the convention. You can see her call for papers and instructions on how to submit work at: http://www.americanforensics.org/news.html#convention More general info on the Beantown shindig (November 16-20, 2005) is here: http://www.natcom.org/Convention/default.htm If you are interested in submitting a paper dealing with THE MEDIA IN THE WAR ON TERROR, please backchannel me - I would like to form a panel. Possible angles include: embedded reporters; media objectivity and war coverage; Robert Novak and the Valerie Plame case; Judith Miller and INC leakage; talk radio; blogs in the war on terror . . . I also encourage folks interested in rhetoric of science to submit papers and panel ideas to the American Association for Rhetoric of Science and Technology (AARST) division: http://aarst.jmccw.org/pre.htm In this division, I am forming panels on issues relating to politics and science in the Bush administration. Visit here for left-leaning ideas of possible paper and panel topics: http://democrats.reform.house.gov/features/politics_and_science/index.htm http://www.ucsusa.org/global_environment/rsi/index.cfm In the interest of equal time, here is the White House response to charges made by the UCS regarding politicization of science in the Bush administration: http://www.ostp.gov/html/ucs.html Amandla! Gordon * * * Gordon R. Mitchell Associate Professor of Communication / Director of Debate University of Pittsburgh CL 1117, 4200 Fifth Ave. Pittsburgh, PA 15260 Phone: (412) 624-8531 Fax: (412) 624-1878 http://www.pitt.edu/~gordonm/ From gregachten Wed Jan 19 17:15:40 2005 From: gregachten (ACHTEN, GREGORY ALAN) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:15:40 -0800 Subject: [eDebate] Cal Pref Sheets Message-ID: Hello, Cal preference sheets are now available for varsity teams at www.debateresults.com Please let me know if you are having trouble entering your prefs (or really to save a step you could just email Bruschke). Preference sheets that are entered by 7 PM Friday will go into effect round one. We will only accept preference sheets that are entered online. If you are unable to enter your prefs until Friday the tournament hotel has free high speed internet in all rooms and the first two floors are wireless as well. The weather for this weekend is supposed to be mostly sunny and dry with highs in the 50's to 60's. Looking forward to seeing you all this weekend, Greg From oguevara Wed Jan 19 18:21:54 2005 From: oguevara (OMAR GUEVARA) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:21:54 -0700 Subject: [eDebate] Val Browning Round Robin wrap up, 2005 Message-ID: Hi Folks, I just want to thank Eric and Glenn from Zaga for being willing and able to run such a professional round robin at this year's Val Browning. Thanks a bunch guys. I would also like to congratulate Wyoming Crowe/Delong for winning this year's Val. It was a bit of an unorthodox wrap up to a gruelling and competitive tournament, but it is a win all the same. Lastly, I want to congratulate Joe Carver for being this year's Val Browning Coach of the Year. Professor Emeritus Niel Warren from CEU gave a beautiful speech in recognizition of Joe's accomplishments, as I consider that one of the most moving moments I have ever witnessed in college debate. 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I'd also like to express my appreciation as a member of D9 for Whitman, Gonzaga, Michigan-Dearborn, USC, and Santa Clara's participation in what was the best Val Browning RR in some time. The Gonzaga tab team did an excellent job and the judging burden was extremely humane. Michael C. Souders, Graduate Assistant Debate and Forensics Program Department of Communicative Arts & Sciences Eastern New Mexico University he seemed so unashamed of how he operated corresponds to the facts that you want despite his expectations he turned out mediocre his master plan was so so we're special in other ways ways our mothers appreciate -bts >From: "OMAR GUEVARA" >To: >Subject: [eDebate] Val Browning Round Robin wrap up, 2005 >Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:21:54 -0700 > >Hi Folks, > >I just want to thank Eric and Glenn from Zaga for being willing and >able to run such a professional round robin at this year's Val Browning. > Thanks a bunch guys. > >I would also like to congratulate Wyoming Crowe/Delong for winning this >year's Val. It was a bit of an unorthodox wrap up to a gruelling and >competitive tournament, but it is a win all the same. > >Lastly, I want to congratulate Joe Carver for being this year's Val >Browning Coach of the Year. Professor Emeritus Niel Warren from CEU >gave a beautiful speech in recognizition of Joe's accomplishments, as I >consider that one of the most moving moments I have ever witnessed in >college debate. Please enjoy your time in Vegas Joe, you deserve it. > >the dates of next year's Val Browning will be January 13-16, 2006. >Please consider joining us! > >Yours, > >Omar > >Omar G Guevara >Director of Forensics >Weber State University > > > > From kebolous2000 Wed Jan 19 19:02:38 2005 From: kebolous2000 (Kebo Lous) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:02:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [eDebate] Response to Mr. Williams. Message-ID: <20050120010238.25930.qmail@web54203.mail.yahoo.com> Mr. Williams: I wanted more than anything to confront the situation by speaking to the people running the tab room as well as your friend from Lakeland I have already stated in my last posts what happened. If you dont believe me see it the way that I see it then that is your option. However I know what happened to me at Lexington and if you cannot see it I cannot fault you for that its your subject position look I am not going to be able to prove to you beyond a shadow of a doubt that what happened to me was due to racism however there is no doubt in my mind that it happened due to underlying assumptions that exist that are racist. I never called your friend Kevin a racist I simply stated the facts. Please I will no longer respond to your posts on this edebate list If you have something to say to me please send it backchannel to me I will be pleased to go more in depth with things on a one on one basis. Thank You Keenan Winn __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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PLEASE make all of your changes by that time. i will activate the online prefs tomorrow about 1pm (hopefully) on the bruschke website. if you want your preferences to be honored as of round 1, please submit them online by 7pm on Friday. we are looking forward to seeing you all, and by the way, it was 73 degrees here today and supposed to be nice throughout the weekend. gerber From tufir Wed Jan 19 23:26:48 2005 From: tufir (Scott Herndon) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 23:26:48 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] umkc fr Message-ID: could one of you email me please? thanks, herndon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20050120/eb7dae1c/attachment.html From sstopp Thu Jan 20 09:28:36 2005 From: sstopp (Sarah Topp) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 09:28:36 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] HEART HOTEL BLOCK CLOSING TODAY!!! and other announcements. Message-ID: <4212B156@webmail.ku.edu> A reminder that the room block at the Holidome closes today. Several teams that have indicated interest have yet to register online. Please do so soon, so that we can make adequate food and T-shirt decisions. I also want to echo Klinger's post about the Heart being open to swing teams and other such shenanigans. If you have particular grudge matches or requests, let us know and we will do all me can to accomodate. Please also be on the look out for Heart book materials. We would love incriminating pictures, juicy rumors (real or made up) and funny quotes to add to the Heart book. Send anything you got to sarah.topp at gmail.com. Sarah Topp We are all filled with a longing for the wild. There are few culturally sanctioned antidotes for this yearning. We were taught to feel shame for such a desire. We grew our hair long and used it to hide our feelings. But with the shadow of Wild Woman still lurks behind us during our days and in our nights. No matter where we are, the shadow that trots behind us is definitely four-footed. -Clarissa Pinkola Estes From tweiner1 Thu Jan 20 09:29:00 2005 From: tweiner1 (tweiner1 at gmu.edu) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 10:29:00 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] ADA "rules" - a sane approach Message-ID: Its pretty cool when someone gets it. As I have said before the "ADA rules" (quotes intentional) are the biggest boogeyman in all of debate. Oh and there is far too much evidence that the nudity rule does nothing to enforce laundry... one only wish it could... :) Jake ----- Original Message ----- From: V I Keenan Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 5:27 pm Subject: Re: [eDebate] ADA "rules" - a sane approach > > to second Kevin, > > I don't really think the ADA seal of approval on a tournie means a > judge intervention free for all. In my experience visiting ADA > land most folks are reasonable, and the rules are just another > standard to evaluate an arguement by IF IT IS ARGUED THAT WAY. > (and the only reason I interject is I am decidedly NOT an ADA > judge, nor are my teams, but I've had a fluky travel schedule the > last 2 seasons so I've gotten a lot of exposure beyond people > waving the rule book). > > Yes, some teams have "it's an ADA rule" in their blocks, but > remember there will be lots of non-traditonally ADA judges who, if > you ask them (as I have) about their stand on ADA rules, will > respond,"What are ADA rules?" It's just judge adaptation, that > thing we used to coach before the MJP frenzy. > > just coach. What makes the ADA unique is that it's a group of > folks dedicated to community and novice and jv development, > amongst other things, with a particularly legislative approach to > it (and a seeming aversion to theory debates in round - although > meetings seem to be an entirely different matter.) > > Besides, some ADA rules can be positive - the no nudity rule > forces debaters to do laundry. > > VIK > > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. > Now includes pop-up blocker! > Only $14.95/month -visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! > > _______________________________________________ > eDebate mailing list > eDebate at ndtceda.com > To subscribe, UNSUBSCRIBE, and see the subscriber list, go here: > http://ndtceda.com/mailman/listinfo/edebate > From lexdevil Thu Jan 20 10:51:38 2005 From: lexdevil (Lexy Green & John Seal) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:51:38 -0800 (GMT-08:00) Subject: [eDebate] 2005 TOC Julia Burke Award Nominations Sought Message-ID: <4847179.1106239899248.JavaMail.root@wamui10.slb.atl.earthlink.net> High school coaches and assistants, please pass this message on to your TOC bound policy debaters. Thanks! THE JULIA BURKE FOUNDATION IS SEEKING NOMINATIONS FOR THE 2005 JULIA BURKE AWARD Any high school policy debater who is eligible, or expected to be eligible to compete in the TOC may be nominated for the award. Policy debaters, coaches and judges are invited to nominate one individual by March 15. Nominations should include the name and school of the nominee, the reasons for the nomination preferably including examples and anecdotes, and the identity of the person submitting the nomination. Nominations should be submitted to The Julia Burke Award Committee by e-mail to: Marilyn_Burke at JuliaBurkeFoundation.com or callmehuls at aol.com From arsenalgunners2 Thu Jan 20 10:51:38 2005 From: arsenalgunners2 (Mick Souders) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 16:51:38 +0000 Subject: [eDebate] Val Browning Round Robin wrap up, 2005 In-Reply-To: <29CFD164.3193697E.181E2C32@aol.com> Message-ID: my bad and apologies. Michael C. Souders, Graduate Assistant Debate and Forensics Program Department of Communicative Arts & Sciences Eastern New Mexico University he seemed so unashamed of how he operated corresponds to the facts that you want despite his expectations he turned out mediocre his master plan was so so we're special in other ways ways our mothers appreciate -bts >From: FijiPapabear at aol.com >To: arsenalgunners2 at hotmail.com ("Mick Souders"), oguevara at weber.edu, >edebate at ndtceda.com >Subject: RE: [eDebate] Val Browning Round Robin wrap up, 2005 >Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 09:11:40 -0500 > >Mick did miss out on those travelled from the D6 and defended themselves >pretty well in this Wild West Shootout, Miami and Mercer, but I will chalk >that up to those years he spent lost in the Northwest. > >Alex Acosta >University of Miami > >_______________________________________________ >eDebate mailing list >eDebate at ndtceda.com >To subscribe, UNSUBSCRIBE, and see the subscriber list, go here: >http://ndtceda.com/mailman/listinfo/edebate From dbteam Thu Jan 20 11:20:53 2005 From: dbteam (dbteam) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 12:20:53 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] WDA Title defense at the Dartmouth RR Message-ID: <41E9B7D1@cliff.westga.edu> The WDAGC has just concluded an emergency meeting discussing the possible title defense. here's their decision: The US belts will NOT be on the line at any RR. The US belts will be defended by the current champs on the first day of prelims at the next tournament they attend. They can choose to defend them throughout prelims and into elims if they want. The World Belts are in play for Dartmouth RR. NU BM is the current champ. They are required to bring the belts to Hanover and display them throughout the RR. At the awards ceremony, Dartmouth officials will award the belts to the winner of the RR. Northwestern only has to relinquish control of the belts if they do not win the RR. WDA Governing Council From delliott Thu Jan 20 13:55:03 2005 From: delliott (Darren Elliott) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:55:03 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] Bruschke Pref System Help Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.1.20050120135326.01c740c8@kckcc.toto.net> Anyone, (Jim or Jon): When I click on the prefs links for my teams it always only displays three judges. For the TX swing this was true and now for Baylor it is happening again, although 3 different judges. Does anyone have any ideas? We leave at 9am for Waco and wont be there in time to do a paper pref system before the deadline. Thanks Chief From alfred.snider Thu Jan 20 14:15:00 2005 From: alfred.snider (Alfred C. Snider) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:15:00 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] NEEDED: 1 room at Orrington Message-ID: We need just one room at the Orrington for Northwestern. If you can help Vermont out on this I would really appreciate it (as would our debaters). Thanx, Tuna -- --------------------------- Alfred C. Snider, AKA Tuna Edwin W. Lawrence Professor of Forensics, University of Vermont 475 Main, UVM, Burlington, VT 05405 USA World Debate Institute; World Debate Organization 802-238-8345 mobile; 802-656-0097 office; 802-656-4275 fax http://alfred.snider.name website From matt_moore85 Thu Jan 20 14:46:42 2005 From: matt_moore85 (Matt Moore) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:46:42 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] Augustana Tournament Updates Message-ID: A few poepl have been asking some questions about the tournament here are some happenings here in balmy Rock Island: 1. Novice and JV- we will do everything to make these divisions independent and viable. We will enter at least one team in each and could enter more to make them competitive and balanced. We have also heard from several other schools that they plan on attending but have not entered yet who say the will be bringing teams. The entries are in the mail we swear. Please, if you have novice and JV teams send them. It is getting late in the year, and here in the center part of the country we are running out of opportunities to get them rounds. 2. ADA Rules: Yes we are an ADA sanctioned tournament. Does that mean all sorts of craziness will happen- no. The discussion about the rules on this list seems to be indicative of the impact. I have backchanneled others who had specific concerns and if you have questions ask us. We made this move because there was a demand among other schools in the area to move in this direction. It will probably have zero effect on the quality of debate or on the strategic choices made by the debaters. Since most of the issues are round specific they will be decided by the judge. It has been my experience most of the concerns about the ADA rules have resulted from misunderstandings about the rules and not what the actual rules. The rules do not say you lose for reading an incomplete citation or anything like that. Look at the judging pool when you choose your strats- it is a better indicator than the ADA rules as to what strat would be appropriate. The largest impact the rule might have is that it sets a guideline for number of teams clearing. Right now we might be looking at partial octs in open. If we can get the judging to work out we will follow these guidelines. 3. Hospitality- we will be providing lunch on Saturday. A fabulous fajita fest. Those who have been here in the past will tell you it is a tasty treat. Good for any dietary needs you might have (the vegan/veggie version is with portabellos). We are also planning a coaches reception for Saturday. 4. Awards- We are still waiting on the arrival of our speaker awards, but the first place trophies are here for novice and open. The open division trophy is a full viking helm, complete with horns. Not plastic it is 18 gauge steel. For pictures visit: http://users.augustana.edu/spmoore/fabulousprizes.html I have been having a little trouble with the page in Firefox. If there are no pictures right click the area they should be and then select view image. Please let me know if there are problems with the site- I will use it to post results. We also have a special award for top speaker in the open division. 5. Misc.- if you have any problems please let me know asap. We pride ourselves on having an enjoyable and competitive tournament. We have many new teams this year and the level of competition keeps growing. We are real excited about getting more teams entered and are close to making the open division break to partial octas. I'll will send out more updates as needed, Matt From matt_gerber27 Thu Jan 20 15:19:43 2005 From: matt_gerber27 (Matt Gerber) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:19:43 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] BAYLOR PREF Issues Message-ID: There were some issues with the Bruschke site, probably caused by my incompetence. PLEASE check your entries and make any changes needed by 5pm. I will activate the prefs at that time. I think most entries are correct, but if you made changes in the past 24 hours you may need to make them again. Thanks for your patience, and we will see you soon. Registration is Friday night, 7-10pm, at the Clarion. Gerber From matt_gerber27 Thu Jan 20 15:19:43 2005 From: matt_gerber27 (Matt Gerber) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:19:43 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] BAYLOR PREF Issues Message-ID: There were some issues with the Bruschke site, probably caused by my incompetence. PLEASE check your entries and make any changes needed by 5pm. I will activate the prefs at that time. I think most entries are correct, but if you made changes in the past 24 hours you may need to make them again. Thanks for your patience, and we will see you soon. Registration is Friday night, 7-10pm, at the Clarion. Gerber From matt_gerber27 Thu Jan 20 15:25:32 2005 From: matt_gerber27 (Matt Gerber) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:25:32 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] Prefs are active Message-ID: OK, my last message was inaccurate. The prefs are now active (I think JB just did this for me since I couldn't figure it out!). Do your prefs online. Make any needed changes. I believe that the only changes at this pint are in terms of team entries, not judging. So, your prefs should be accurate. Good luck, and sorry for any inconvenience. Gerber From rob.eback Thu Jan 20 16:08:55 2005 From: rob.eback (Rob Eback) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:08:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: [eDebate] Brent Culpepper of U of Georgia fame Message-ID: <20050120220855.2AD06299C7@xprdmailfe22.nwk.excite.com> If you are him or know of an e-mail address he checks I can contact him at I would appreciate the info/backchannel. Thanks y'all, Rob Eback West Georgia _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! From elliottdarren Thu Jan 20 18:23:36 2005 From: elliottdarren (DARREN ELLIOTT) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:23:36 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] Prefs are active In-Reply-To: Message-ID: There are no judges when I click on load prefs in the Bruschke site. Is this a problem for anyone else or is it just ours? Should I see judges? Someone please let me know--this is very frustrating. Chief >From: "Matt Gerber" >To: edebate at ndtceda.com >Subject: [eDebate] Prefs are active >Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:25:32 -0600 > >OK, my last message was inaccurate. The prefs are now active (I think JB >just did this for me since I couldn't figure it out!). Do your prefs >online. Make any needed changes. I believe that the only changes at this >pint are in terms of team entries, not judging. So, your prefs should be >accurate. Good luck, and sorry for any inconvenience. > >Gerber > > >_______________________________________________ >eDebate mailing list >eDebate at ndtceda.com >To subscribe, UNSUBSCRIBE, and see the subscriber list, go here: >http://ndtceda.com/mailman/listinfo/edebate From antonucci23 Thu Jan 20 18:39:42 2005 From: antonucci23 (Michael Antonucci) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 16:39:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [eDebate] re: Lexington Tab Room Message-ID: <20050121003942.76540.qmail@web61003.mail.yahoo.com> Mr. Winn, Hello there. I'm Michael Antonucci. I supervised the Lexington tab room, along with Omri Ceren. I want to speak with you more in backchannel. I apologize for your discomfort, and Lexington wants to do everything possible to address your concerns. If there is a form of oppression in debate, I oppose it. If there is injustice in play, I would hope to join you in combatting it, if you'll let me. If there's an Old Boy's Network somewhere, I'm firmly convinced that I'm way, way, way outside of it, like whoa. I'm bad with people generally; I think it should be apparent that I'm equally awkward and socially inept with pretty much everyone. If I did discriminate on the basis of vested interest, which I don't, it would just be silly for me to discriminate against New York City teams. That's a very large part of Lexington's draw - and we very much appreciate it. If I were corrupt, I'd go with the numbers. Let me address a few of your suspicions in public. 1. Hamrick influence? Kevin Hamrick had no special access to the tab room. No coaches made any requests to punish a given judge. Indeed, outside coaches were kept out of the tab room, and I gleefully booted people who judged me in high school. Ironically, Kevin spent most of the prelims hiding from the tab room and its minions. Our primary concern was trying to push a ballot on him against his will. 2. Many judges had a lot of rounds off after presets. That is not because of their decisions. It's because, as new tournament administrators concerned with optimizing our pool, we overbooked hired judging. I heard the same complaint from a wide variety of judges, with all sorts of debate experience. I never got an order from anyone to "pull Keenan Winn." Guaranteed. I *did* receive an order to try to use the judges we hired at a flat rate. Some judges dropped out of the rotation because of their pointing patterns. Judges who tried to go below 20 probably had some rounds off. Judges who gave triple 30s also probably got some rounds off as well. 3. I hope there's no pattern of bias against judges from the NY UDL. I know that I personally ranked several of the UDL judges high, because I knew them from this summer at CITI. One was accidentally pulled from doubles because of some substitutions, which was unfortunate. Sometimes, admittedly, there are some problems based on recognition. Some judges may be very competent yet be misranked because of problems with name recognition. This isn't a conspiracy - it just means I'm not perfect, and I don't know everything. We compiled our data fairly late, and, as I mentioned before, we're new at this - so judges may have been misranked on the fly. Maybe the most constructive solution to this would just be transparency measures. I'd be grateful if the UDL had a representative present during the judge rankings, so that I can get an accurate read on the experience level of various judges. I know that Lexington did something like this in the past; I would have arranged it this year were I not busy coughing up phlegm. Please let me know your reaction this proposal. I appreciate your instincts, and want to alleviate your suspicions. Finally, having been involved with debate for many years, I can confidently say that chewing out judges is a phenomenon that crosses every imaginable social barrier. Michael Antonucci __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From fem2n Thu Jan 20 18:40:55 2005 From: fem2n (Max Archer) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 16:40:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [eDebate] kansas jt Message-ID: <20050121004055.78912.qmail@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> todd and/or jordan - please backchannel me max unt __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Is >this a problem for anyone else or is it just ours? > >Should I see judges? > >Someone please let me know--this is very frustrating. > >Chief > >>From: "Matt Gerber" >>To: edebate at ndtceda.com >>Subject: [eDebate] Prefs are active >>Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:25:32 -0600 >> >>OK, my last message was inaccurate. The prefs are now active (I think JB >>just did this for me since I couldn't figure it out!). Do your prefs >>online. Make any needed changes. I believe that the only changes at this >>pint are in terms of team entries, not judging. So, your prefs should be >>accurate. Good luck, and sorry for any inconvenience. >> >>Gerber >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>eDebate mailing list >>eDebate at ndtceda.com >>To subscribe, UNSUBSCRIBE, and see the subscriber list, go here: >>http://ndtceda.com/mailman/listinfo/edebate > > >_______________________________________________ >eDebate mailing list >eDebate at ndtceda.com >To subscribe, UNSUBSCRIBE, and see the subscriber list, go here: >http://ndtceda.com/mailman/listinfo/edebate From berchnorto Thu Jan 20 21:08:31 2005 From: berchnorto (NEIL BERCH) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:08:31 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] WVU hotel block closes on Saturday Message-ID: Hi, everyone! Our block at the Hampton Inn ($60 for a double-double) closes on Saturday, but it probably makes more sense to call them (304-599-1200) on Friday, while their Sales Manager (Jody White) is likely to be around. Looking forward to seeing everyone in Morgantown! --Neil Berch West Virginia University November 15, 2004 Dear Friends and Colleagues: On behalf of the West Virginia University Debate team, I am pleased to invite you to the fifth annual John A. Jacobsohn Memorial Mountaineer Classic Debates, to be held in Morgantown, February 4-6, 2005. The tournament, sponsored by WVU's Eberly College of Arts and Sciences, will be sanctioned by CEDA, ADA, and SAMBA. As indicated, the tournament will honor the memory of our late colleague John Jacobsohn. The Sunday awards ceremony will feature the presentation of the 5th annual Jacobsohn award to a member of the debate community who has also done significant public service. We expect to be joined at the ceremony by Professor Jacobsohn's family. Previous winners of the Jacobsohn Award: 2001: Frank Harrison, Trinity University 2002: Larry Watts, Mansfield University 2003: Chris Baron, Baltimore Urban Debate League, and Sarah Snider, Marshall-Brennan Urban Debate League 2004: Maxwell Schnurer, Marist College We will hold 6 preliminary rounds of debate in each division (varsity, junior varsity, and novice), followed by the appropriate number of elimination rounds. We will clear up to half of the teams in each division. In the unlikely event that it is necessary to hold partial double octafinals, we will do so on Saturday night. Because we expect to take a substantial loss on the tournament (see below for why!), WVU teams may participate in preliminary rounds in larger numbers than usual. However, WVU teams will not be eligible for elimination rounds or speaker awards. The resolution will be this year's national policy debate resolution, and the time limits will be 9-3-6, with ten minutes of preparation time for each side. Rounds one and two will be pre-set. Rounds three through six will be power matched (none will be lagged). We will operate under the rules of the ADA, a copy of which may be obtained upon request. We will also observe the CEDA by-laws. The WVU debate team supports CEDA's sexual harassment policy, and we will enforce it. Eligibility for junior varsity and novice divisions will be as determined by the ADA rules. Hybrid teams are eligible to participate, and they will be eligible to qualify for elimination rounds. Awards will be given to the top eight teams in the novice and junior varsity divisions, as well as the top four teams in varsity, and to the top 10 speakers in the novice and junior varsity divisions, and the top three speakers in varsity. Ties between teams will be broken on the basis of: 1. adjusted points 2. total points 3. opponent wins 4. coin flip Speaker awards will be based upon adjusted points. Ties will be broken by: 1. total points 2. judge variance Special awards will be presented to: 1) the school that wins the most debates during preliminary rounds; 2) the school that is not ranked in the NDT top 50 as of February 1, 2005 winning the most debates during preliminary rounds; 3) the novice speaker with the highest speaker points in her/his first or second lifetime debate tournament (the "Best Newcomer" Award); 4) the highest ranked JV team where both members have remaining novice eligibility (the "Movin' On Up" award); if there is no such team, the award will go to the highest ranked varsity team where both members have remaining jv eligibility. 5) the judge whose written ballots are deemed by the tab room staff to be the most educational (the Neil Butt Award). Judges: Each school is responsible for providing a qualified judge for each one or two teams entered in the tournament. A judge will be responsible for covering three preliminary rounds for each team entered. All judges are required to judge through the quarter final round or one round after your last team is eliminated, whichever occurs later (though we will of course do our best to get eliminated schools on the road as early as possible). A VERY LIMITED number of judges will be available for hire at $100 per uncovered team. If you need to hire judges, please enter early! Unless we have an unexpectedly small entry, we will use a mutually preferred judging system. All preferences received prior to round 1 will go into effect for round 3. Entries: Please send your entries by 4:00 PM on Tuesday, February 1, 2005. Entries should be made through the ultra-fantastic Bruschke Web Page (www.debateresults.com). TOURNAMENT ENTRY IS FREE FOR ALL TEAMS (though we reserve the right to charge a nuisance fee of $50 for voluminous late drops), but we will still provide a variety of amenities, including dinner between rounds 1 and 2 on Friday night, lunch between rounds 3 and 4 on Saturday, lunch after the awards ceremony on Sunday, a hospitality room with healthy and less-healthy snacks, awards, a Saturday night bowling tournament (with one lucky recipient to be chosen for the Maxwell Schnurer Bowling Award), and a reception for women coaches and debaters on Friday night. Entries may be sent by telephone (304-293-3811, ext. 5290), fax (304-293-8644, or e-mail (berchnorto at msn.com). We would be especially appreciative of early entry estimates. Changes on the day of the tournament should be made via email or cell phone (412-445-3957). The tournament hotel will be the Hampton Inn of Morgantown. Pairings will be distributed there on Saturday and Sunday mornings, and the Friday night reception for women coaches and debaters (sponsored by STAND) will take place there as well. Our block has a flat rate of $60 for up to 4 people, with continental breakfast included. The direct number for the Hampton Inn is 304-599-1200, or you may use the national reservations number (1-800-Hampton). Please use the code for our block (EAS). Our contact at the Hampton Inn is Mr. Jody White. If you run into problems, please let me know. The deadline for the block is January 22. Schedule (and please note that we will vigorously enforce the 15 minute forfeit rule. Please also note that we are attempting to operate on more college student-friendly hours. We will end late on both Friday and Saturday evenings, but you will leave already having had dinner.): Friday, February 4: 3:30 PM-4:30 PM: Registration on the 3rd floor of Woodburn Hall (the building with the clock). Most business will already have been done via email. 5:00 Opening meeting 5:30 Round 1 7:45 Dinner break (sandwiches, probably from Subway) 8:15 Round 2 11:00 Reception for women judges, coaches, and debaters at the Hampton Inn, hosted by WVU Assistant Coach Becky Evans-Wilson, and others. Saturday, February 5: 8:30 Round 3 pairings available at Hampton Inn and at Woodburn Hall 10:00 Round 3 12:00 lunch-probably pizza 1:15 Round 4 4:00 Round 5 6:00 Dinner on your own (please note the Food Court in the Mountainlair just across the street from the tournament rooms. It features a burger place, a Sbarro's, a sandwich shop, and a Chinese fast food establishment, which has a fantastic tofu dish that is vegan-compliant). 7:15 Round 6 9:45 Bowling Party in Mountainlair (last year, more than half the schools participated, and teams that participated did well on Sunday!) Sunday, February 6: 7:30 Elimination round pairings released at Hampton Inn and Woodburn Hall. 8:30 First elimination round 10:45 Awards Ceremony 11:30 Lunch-probably sandwiches, chips, etc. 12:45 Second elimination round 3:30 Third elimination round 6:00 Fourth elimination round if needed. Morgantown is easily accessible by Interstate 68 from the East, and by Interstate 79 from the North and South. The hills of West Virginia are beautiful any time of the year, but they are especially pretty in February (really!). We hope to see many of you, and we look forward to returning the hospitality that many of you have shown us these past several years. Sincerely, Neil Berch Associate Professor of Political Science and Debate Coach on behalf of the WVU Debate Team DIRECTIONS TO THE HAMPTON INN >From I-79 North: Take exit 155, Star City. Stay in the right lane after you leave the ramp, and bear right at the traffic light. You will cross a bridge and travel through a traffic light. As you reach the top of the hill, you will come to another traffic light. Make a left at that light (on to Patteson Drive). Travel through 3 more traffic lights, and continue until you see the Hampton Inn on your left (just as you come around a bend). >From I-79 South: Take exit 155, Star City. Make a left at the end of the ramp. Get in the right lane, and bear right at the traffic light. You will cross a bridge and travel through a traffic light. As you reach the top of the hill, you will come to another traffic light. Make a left at that light (on to Patteson Drive). Travel through 3 more traffic lights, and continue until you see the Hampton Inn on your left (just as you come around a bend). >From I-68 West: Take exit 7, Pierpont Road, and turn right. Follow for about a mile, and turn left on to 119 South. At the second light, turn right. Continue to the 5th light and turn left on to Van Voorhis Road. The Hampton Inn is about a half mile on your right. To the Mountainlair from Hampton Inn Turn RIGHT out of Hampton Inn Take LEFT at the second stop light Continue straight through light, pass McDonald's (will be on road a little bit) Go STRAIGHT through light at four way intersection, pass large new building and around a loop; Turn LEFT at 2nd light (Spruce Street) after loop (you will have gone about 1.8 miles from the Hampton Inn by then) At stop sign, turn LEFT At stop sign, turn RIGHT (High Street) Take immediate LEFT Park in Area 3 of Mountainlair Garage (furthest entrance) On Friday, you may park in lot 3 in the Mountainlair Garage. WVU debaters will be at the entrance with parking permits. They will also direct you to Woodburn Hall, the tournament headquarters (about a block and a half from the parking area). Please allow a reasonable time to get to Woodburn, as Friday afternoon traffic in Morgantown is surprisingly heavy. After 5pm on Friday, you may park in spaces behind Woodburn that are not designated as reserved or handicapped. On Saturday and Sunday, parking in lot 3 is free, and you may also fight each other for the free (not reserved or handicapped) spaces behind Woodburn. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20050120/6f107800/attachment.html From ap0549 Fri Jan 21 08:27:31 2005 From: ap0549 (Francesco Micheal Esposito) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 09:27:31 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Paging Morris From SMS Message-ID: Hey Morris, the jump drive i put those cites on from my round against Alabama at UTD in octos got lost/stolen before i could put them on my computer. If you could do me a huge favor and send them to me i would really appreciate it. Sorry for the inconvience, and have a good one. Thanks, Francesco Esposito Wayne State Debate From matt_gerber27 Fri Jan 21 08:53:31 2005 From: matt_gerber27 (Matt Gerber) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:53:31 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] Prefs are active In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Apologies to Chief and anyone else who got confused. I didn't realize that you only had JV teams. There are no prefs for that division. Again, no prefs in JV. Matt >From: "DARREN ELLIOTT" >To: matt_gerber27 at hotmail.com >Subject: RE: [eDebate] Prefs are active >Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 21:03:28 -0600 > >Are prefs in existence for JV? If they are its just a matter of activating >them in the setup program. If JV gets no prefs than thats why they arent >showing up--I only have JV teams. > >Chief > >>From: "Matt Gerber" >>To: elliottdarren at hotmail.com, edebate at ndtceda.com >>Subject: RE: [eDebate] Prefs are active >>Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:17:24 -0600 >> >>i am working on it....i will try to fix it. >> >>gerber >> >>>From: "DARREN ELLIOTT" >>>To: matt_gerber27 at hotmail.com, edebate at ndtceda.com >>>Subject: RE: [eDebate] Prefs are active >>>Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:23:36 -0600 >>> >>>There are no judges when I click on load prefs in the Bruschke site. Is >>>this a problem for anyone else or is it just ours? >>> >>>Should I see judges? >>> >>>Someone please let me know--this is very frustrating. >>> >>>Chief >>> >>>>From: "Matt Gerber" >>>>To: edebate at ndtceda.com >>>>Subject: [eDebate] Prefs are active >>>>Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:25:32 -0600 >>>> >>>>OK, my last message was inaccurate. The prefs are now active (I think JB >>>>just did this for me since I couldn't figure it out!). Do your prefs >>>>online. Make any needed changes. I believe that the only changes at this >>>>pint are in terms of team entries, not judging. So, your prefs should be >>>>accurate. Good luck, and sorry for any inconvenience. >>>> >>>>Gerber >>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>eDebate mailing list >>>>eDebate at ndtceda.com >>>>To subscribe, UNSUBSCRIBE, and see the subscriber list, go here: >>>>http://ndtceda.com/mailman/listinfo/edebate >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>eDebate mailing list >>>eDebate at ndtceda.com >>>To subscribe, UNSUBSCRIBE, and see the subscriber list, go here: >>>http://ndtceda.com/mailman/listinfo/edebate >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>eDebate mailing list >>eDebate at ndtceda.com >>To subscribe, UNSUBSCRIBE, and see the subscriber list, go here: >>http://ndtceda.com/mailman/listinfo/edebate > From matt_gerber27 Fri Jan 21 09:02:39 2005 From: matt_gerber27 (Matt Gerber) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 09:02:39 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] Baylor Entries/changes deadline Message-ID: I believe we have all of the team/judge changes reflected. Any new changes should be brought to my attention via email or tonite at registration. PLEASE do your judge prefs online. We will only accept those submitted online. The Clarion has wireless throughout the hotel, so it should be easy to do once you get here. Prefs apply in the Open division only (we are very tight on judging). Travel safely, and we will see you this evening. Matt Gerber From overbey Fri Jan 21 10:57:52 2005 From: overbey (Daniel Overbey) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:57:52 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Navy Entries Message-ID: With a couple schools who have contacted me yet to enter, and a respectable pile of changes coming in, online entries are re-opened at this point. For schools who have sent me changes, I made most of them myself, but you may want to verify them. Dan From matt_gerber27 Fri Jan 21 13:43:53 2005 From: matt_gerber27 (Matt Gerber) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:43:53 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] Baylor Prefs Update Message-ID: It looks like we are only missing prefs from a few folks-- get online, and get these in when you arrive in Waco: ASU, Case western, UNT AG, Northwestern, Texas State, Wayne, and Wichita DM. Thanks to everyone who did these early. Matt From DUTCHERM Fri Jan 21 15:27:10 2005 From: DUTCHERM (Dutcher, Michael) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:27:10 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Hotel Rooms for Northwestern Message-ID: <03603D4CD9B6D2468687A2285F42BC7F171F56@MAIL01.cua.edu> Hello, I was hoping that someone might have a couple of rooms they are not going to use for the weekend. If you do, please let me know. Thanks, Michael Dutcher Assistant Director of Debate The Catholic University of America From jem144 Fri Jan 21 16:57:45 2005 From: jem144 (jem144 at imap.pitt.edu) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:57:45 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Whitman BM Message-ID: <1106348265.41f188e94960f@webmail.upb.pitt.edu> Can one of y'all hit me back. I need some cites. Thanks! Jane jem144 at pitt.edu Pitt From andy.edebate Fri Jan 21 20:40:55 2005 From: andy.edebate (Andy Ellis) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 21:40:55 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Need VARSITY/ Swing debater for cornell Message-ID: <9368bc9b0501211840528188cb@mail.gmail.com> Bard is looking for a swing partner for one debater for cornell. He would prefer to debate in varsity but is jv eligible. He is nice, recently enough out of high school that he showers frequently, and pretty good by our estimation, besides that he can debate in almost any style with ease. He also plays poker pretty well or at least dave arnett says so ;) Email zisman at bard.edu if you are interested From andy.edebate Fri Jan 21 22:21:53 2005 From: andy.edebate (Andy Ellis) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 23:21:53 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Need VARSITY/JV Swing debater for cornell In-Reply-To: <9368bc9b0501211840528188cb@mail.gmail.com> References: <9368bc9b0501211840528188cb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9368bc9b050121202143262267@mail.gmail.com> is what the subject should read From Air0331 Sat Jan 22 16:12:19 2005 From: Air0331 (Air0331 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:12:19 EST Subject: [eDebate] Emory HW Please Message-ID: Could you e-mail Todd at _Todd-Lantz at uiowa.edu_ (mailto:Todd-Lantz at uiowa.edu) for some citation requests? Thanks - -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20050122/cf5ad813/attachment.html From hansonjb Sun Jan 23 13:09:24 2005 From: hansonjb (Jim Hanson) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:09:24 -0800 Subject: [eDebate] judges for finals at ceda nats Message-ID: <001401c5017f$3ef51290$69030a0a@whitman.edu> we've had this discussion before but i would like to submit a different proposal for addressing this issue. i'm posting this to get feedback before i formally submit it. currently, the ceda nationals finals round is judged by representatives from each region (except the regions of the two teams debating). this is a great way to get each region represented. the downside is that in the final round, one of the teams is disadvantaged because the makeup of that panel may favor one of the teams. this proposal seeks to augment the regionally selected finals round panel so that preferences between the two teams are equalized as much as is possible. this keeps representatives from each region while adding in judges to equalize preferences--addressing what i believe is both sides' positions on this issue. JUDGE ASSIGNMENT FOR THE FINAL ROUND AT CEDA NATIONALS Each regional representative shall provide a judge and an alternate to judge the finals round at the national tournament. That region's judge shall judge the final round unless that judge is from the same region as one of the teams in the finals round. During the octafinals debate, the tournament staff shall post a list of judges highly preferred by the remaining teams with a request that they make themselves available to judge the finals round. The tournament staff shall review the preferences of the judges in the finals round and shall add 2 to 4 judges to the panel to equalize as much as is possible the two teams' preferences for all of the final round's judges as much as is possible. jim :) hansonjb at whitman.edu From hansonjb Sun Jan 23 13:10:43 2005 From: hansonjb (Jim Hanson) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:10:43 -0800 Subject: [eDebate] number of teams advancing to elims References: <000d01c5016a$0b2a4d50$69030a0a@whitman.edu> Message-ID: <001501c5017f$3f6ab7c0$69030a0a@whitman.edu> i'm posting this to get your feedback before i submit it. normally, i'm opposed to requirements on tournaments (and i'm sure some people will speak out against this on that basis) but we already have ceda and ndt requirements on this issue--this would just change the requirements. This proposal seeks to do two things: 1) Encourage participation and rewards for teams "in the middle" who are on the verge of breaking by having a consistent breaking procedure. 2) More closely align the CEDA and NDT rules for how many teams should break at a tournament. This proposal sends a powerful message to teams "in the middle:" you count and you will be rewarded. The teams "in the middle" are the backbone of our activity. They keep our divisions healthy sized. They are hard working and good contributors. They are good debaters (the "middle" today is pretty damn good if you ask me). They should be encouraged--not discouraged. Advancing to elimination rounds means a lot and this proposal seeks to make that happen more frequently and more consistently. It does this by having half the teams in a division advance to elimination rounds. The NDT rankings system allows this. This new rule would require it and it does so to benefit the middle, to provide consistency among tournaments, and to make the CEDA and NDT breaking procedures more consistent with each other. Downsides to this proposal? Some tournaments will need to add an additional elimination round and a few might want to consider shifting to a 7 rather than 8 round model (though they could certainly do as wake forest does--hold doubles through finals on the last day). Note that no tournament is required to have more than a full double-octa finals (I'm quite aware that this would make those tournaments too long for a 3 day time period with 7 or 8 preliminary rounds). Judging for these partial elimination rounds would not be a problem. I reviewed each tournament posted on debateresults.com and no tournament would have a shortage of judges in order to comply with this new procedure (not even close; i've included numbers at the end of this message). Specifically, my proposal would make this change: VI. SWEEPSTAKES PROCEDURES Section 2. To be eligible for CEDA points, a division must contain at least six teams from a minimum of three different schools. Section 4. Points in elimination rounds will be awarded as follows: A. Tournaments may advertise as many elimination rounds as is desired, but only elimination rounds meeting the following specifications will be counted toward CEDA Sweepstakes: for semifinals, there must be a field of 8 teams in the division; for quarterfinals, there must be a field of 15 teams in the division; for octafinals, there must be a field of 29 teams in the division; for double octafinals, there must be a field of 58 teams in the division; for triple-octas, there must be a field of 115 teams in the division. B. In calculating the number of teams in a division for the purpose of determining the number of CEDA sweepstakes eligible elimination rounds, each team must have participated in more than half of the number of scheduled preliminary rounds at the tournament. CHANGE TO Section 2. To be eligible for CEDA points, a division must contain at least six teams from a minimum of three different schools and half of the teams shall advance to elimination rounds (rounded down; for example a tournament with 26 to 27 teams would mean 13 teams advance) however it shall be at the tournament director's discretion to have additional elimination rounds beyond double-octa finals. In calculating the number of teams in a division for determining how many teams need to advance, each team must have participated in more than half of the number of scheduled preliminary rounds at the tournament. Section 4. Points in elimination rounds will be awarded as follows: Remove A and B. --------------numbers gonzaga 54 teams, 44 judges uni 34-11-3 teams, 32 judges wichita, 21-8-8 teams, 29 judges g state, 119-10 teams, 118 judges kansas city cc 20-16-5 teams, 19 judges richmond, 18-26-26 teams, 47 judges pepperdine, 56-18-25 teams, 70 judges 54 judges needed emporia state, 29-14-5 teams, 32 judges sms, 20-15-8 teams, 25 judges, not a problem west point, 15-15-29 teams, 3 judges (?) harvard, 64 teams, 60 judges wayne state, 29-5-8 teams, 29 judges liberty 44-24-26 teams, 48 judges central oklahoma, 36-22-8 teams, 35 judges northridge, 17-10-24 teams, 30 judges app state 5-4-13 teams, 12 judges wake forest 146 teams, 145 judges john carroll 23-16-20-9 teams, 43 judges usc, 66-14 teams, 89 judges fullerton, 69-8-10 teams, 88 judges north texas, 46-18-1 teams, 56 judges miami hurricanes, 19-9 teams, 14 judges u texas dallas, 54-16-3 teams, 63 judges george mason, 17-11-16 teams, 33 judges west georgia, 50 teams, 50 judges miami oh, 18-5-5 teams, 21 judges baylor, 36-14 teams, 44 judges berkeley, 56-13-10, 69 judges augustana, 24-8-6 teams, 27 judges (not happened yet) naval academy, 43-23-23 teams, 57 judges (not happened yet) jim :) hansonjb at whitman.edu From don1299 Sun Jan 23 15:34:37 2005 From: don1299 (Donny Peters) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 21:34:37 +0000 Subject: [eDebate] NCA: Public Sphere and the Public Screen In-Reply-To: <001501c5017f$3f6ab7c0$69030a0a@whitman.edu> Message-ID: Hello everyone, I am putting together a panel for NCA addressing whether the concept of the Public Screen can adaquately replace Habarmas's Public Sphere. If any of you are interested how these concepts relate to social movement rhetoric, and would be willing to participate on the panel, then please contact me. The citation for the Public Screen article is below, thanks Donny Peters Graduate Debate Assistant Department of Communication Studies Ball State University don1299 at hotmail.com djpeters at bsu.edu DeLuca, Kevin and Peeples, Jennifer. "From Public Sphere to Public Screen: Democracy, Activism, and the 'Violence' of Seattle." Critical Studies in Media Communication 19 (June, 2002): 125-151. _________________________________________________________________ Don?t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From krazevedo Sun Jan 23 17:34:10 2005 From: krazevedo (Azevedo, Kelly Renee) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 18:34:10 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Pittsburgh Message-ID: <0EE32D049567794FA08AE220A11F45310101D8D0@dopey.University.liberty.edu> could I get the sites from the China disad you read at George Mason? Specifically the shell cites and any extensions from the 2NC. Thanks, Kelly Azevedo Liberty University -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20050123/ca665964/attachment.htm From Kenneth.M.Strange Sun Jan 23 19:10:07 2005 From: Kenneth.M.Strange (Kenneth M. Strange) Date: 23 Jan 2005 20:10:07 EST Subject: [eDebate] Dartmouth RR results Message-ID: <48283557@newvixen.Dartmouth.EDU> Below are the results of the Dartmouth Rond Robin Within a couple of days I will post fairly extensive round reports. Team Results: 1st Dartmouth 5-1 340.5 2nd Wake Forest 5-1 336 3rd Harvard 3-3 341 Speakers 1st Brian Smith 171.5 114.5 57 9 ranks 2nd Josh Branson 171.5 114.5 57 13 ranks 3rd Stacey Nathan 171 114 57 8 ranks Mike Klinger 171 114 57 12 ranks Tristan Morales 171 114 57 16 ranks From lsd041 Sun Jan 23 12:20:16 2005 From: lsd041 (Scott Deatherage) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 12:20:16 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] Northwestern Tournament Reminders Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20050123120103.01d6d988@lulu.it.northwestern.edu> Greetings, all. A couple of quick reminders: 1. The deadline for entries is fast approaching: Tuesday, January 25. Please adjust your entry no later than 5 p.m. Central time on that day. AT that juncture, the entry function for the tournament at www.debateresults.com will be disabled. After that date, please send changes to nudebate at northwestern.edu. 2. I am working diligently to find more classrooms in order to clear out the wait list. At present, I don't have enough rooms for the teams we have entered, so I am not terribly optimistic. But I said two years ago, and came up with enough rooms for exactly 150 teams. So we shall see. Northwestern operates on a decentralized room assignment model, so it is difficult to cobble together space. I am aware of the plane ticket problem. Don't fret: my experience is that the seven day advance purchase price to and from Chicago is typically no cheaper than the 14, 21, or 30 day price. Per the invitation, I will make a definite decision on the status of wait list teams no later than Thursday, January 27, which leaves you 24 hours to get affordable tickets. I will update you sooner if possible. 3. If you are overbooked at the Orrington, please let me know. Do not release your rooms; they will go back to the general pool if you do that. All you have to do is tell me what extras you have and I'll take it from there. Please shore up your hotel room arrangements with me asap; there are still schools trying to get into the Orrington, and this is the most expedient method of accomplishing that end. 4. The Hotel requests that you provide them with a rooming list prior to your arrival. They wish to put all names into their computer. This way, if one of your students looses a room key, they can get another by presenting their ID at the desk. You can e-mail your rooming list to Bris Villanueva, planning coordinator for our event. Her address is brisv at hotelorrington.com. Please take a few minutes to do this in a timely fashion; they do have 500 names to enter into the computer, so it will take some time on their end. Bris is aware that a coach will check in for your entire group; the rooming list will not invalidate your capacity to have one person check-in. The computer system is set-up so that the reservations remain held under the name you used when reserving rooms, with the occupants entered in a different field of the computer screen. 5. If you would, include in your e-mail to Bris an estimated time of arrival at the Hotel. This will help them plan their staffing needs. They are aware that many of your are flying and that, accordingly, your arrival time my be influenced by air traffic delays. See you in February. Best. SD Scott Deatherage Director of Debate Northwestern University Evanston, Illinois From berchnorto Sun Jan 23 23:11:10 2005 From: berchnorto (NEIL BERCH) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 00:11:10 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] WVU entry update Message-ID: With the entry deadline still a week or so away, here are early entries for the WVU tournament (February 4-6). Based on hotel reservations and early entry estimates, we also expect entries from (at least) Binghamton, Cornell, Rochester, New York Coalition, Navy, Georgia State, Miami (Florida), James Madison, Clarion, and Pitt. Others are welcome; please enter via the Bruschke site as soon as you can. Also, please let me know if you need to hire judging through the tournament; it's getting a little tight. Also, the block closed on Saturday officially. I haven't spoken to the hotel in 3 or 4 days, but I would guess they'll try to accommodate if you haven't made reservations yet. Current estimate is that we will have partial octas in all 3 divisions. --Neil Berch West Virginia University John Carroll Univers Tasha Forchione & Matt Gayetsky Varsity Towson Trinya Smith & Lawrence Grandpre Varsity Towson Sabina Cudic & Sergejs Saksonovs Varsity U.S. Military Academ Sake Spiritos & Gene Page Varsity U.S. Military Academ Colby Horowitz & Casey Keyes Varsity U.S. Military Academ Patrick Linford & Ryan Sullivan Varsity U.S. Military Academ Adam Karr & Ricky Waters Varsity West Virginia Univer Kate Huleatt & Norman Wright Varsity West Virginia Univer Emily Renzelli & Kayden Skinner Varsity Case Western Ben Schiller & Kyle Kaliebe Junior Varsity Richmond (Univ. of R Jeff Peil & Joe Chicvak Junior Varsity Towson Camelia Hostinar & Simonida Subotic Junior Varsity Towson Normunds Pelnens & Nicole Wheeler Junior Varsity Towson Barbora Ondruskova & Rafal Kosmider Junior Varsity U.S. Military Academ Rich Bazemore & Allison Pan Junior Varsity Wisconsin Oshkosh Tim Ernst & Matt Werner Junior Varsity Appalachian State Patrick Diamfimpa & David Hamilton Novice John Carroll Univers Bryn Davies & Erin Kaminski Novice Richmond (Univ. of R Flemming Schneider & Lee Hoyle Novice U.S. Military Academ Derek Kent & Steven Warner Novice U.S. Military Academ Chris Hammett & Tyler Jost Novice U.S. Military Academ Redion Qirjazi & Gilberto Nieves Novice Wisconsin Oshkosh Stephen Haapapuro & Erin Kisley Novice Wisconsin Oshkosh Morgan Applebey & Connie Johnston Novice -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20050124/d264ecd9/attachment.htm From blackmon47 Mon Jan 24 12:01:57 2005 From: blackmon47 (Neil Blackmon) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:01:57 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] someone from rochester, too Message-ID: Need a backchannel.... thanks-- neil w blackmon pace From blackmon47 Mon Jan 24 12:01:23 2005 From: blackmon47 (Neil Blackmon) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:01:23 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Someone from Cornell Message-ID: Can ya'll backchannel a guy when ya get a chance.... ? neil pace From berchnorto Mon Jan 24 12:07:18 2005 From: berchnorto (NEIL BERCH) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:07:18 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] WVU hotel block extended until Tuesday Message-ID: Our block is full, but Jody White at the Hampton Inn has agreed to squeeze in some more folks if you call him by Tuesday (if he runs out of rooms, contact me, and I'll suggest some alternates). The number is 304-599-1200. As of now, we have reservations for Clarion, Pitt, App. State, John Carroll, James Madison, Towson, Richmond, Navy, Army, Wisconsin-Oshkosh, Cornell, New York Coalition, and Capital. Others that have indicated they are coming (do you have reservations elsewhere?) are Miami (Florida), Georgia State, Rochester, Binghamton, and Case Western. Others welcome as well! --Neil Berch West Virginia University From hansonjb Mon Jan 24 12:50:10 2005 From: hansonjb (Jim Hanson) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 10:50:10 -0800 Subject: [eDebate] berkeley octas Message-ID: <007801c50245$8a358750$69030a0a@whitman.edu> its just finishing up but here it is csulb kp vs usc is dartmouth bm vs samford pm harvard lm vs northwestern hs michigan jk versus fullerton mm northwestern dj vs whitman bm redlands st vs northwestern bc west georgia kt vs fort hays br whitman ss vs fullerton kl there were 3 doubles rounds last night, i think. i don't have that info with me. jim :) hansonjb at whitman.edu From hansonjb Mon Jan 24 13:57:07 2005 From: hansonjb (Jim Hanson) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:57:07 -0800 Subject: [eDebate] berkeley octas results References: <007801c50245$8a358750$69030a0a@whitman.edu> Message-ID: <00d001c5024f$903e2170$69030a0a@whitman.edu> csulb kp vs usc is WINS dartmouth bm WINS vs samford pm harvard lm WINS vs northwestern hs michigan jk WINS 2-1 versus fullerton mm northwestern dj WINS 2-1 vs whitman bm redlands st WINS vs northwestern bc west georgia kt WINS vs fort hays br whitman ss WINS vs fullerton kl the wins were 3-0 except as noted and the redlands-northwestern round, i don't know the ballot count on that. jim :) hansonjb at whitman.edu _______________________________________________ eDebate mailing list eDebate at ndtceda.com To subscribe, UNSUBSCRIBE, and see the subscriber list, go here: http://ndtceda.com/mailman/listinfo/edebate From matt_gerber27 Mon Jan 24 16:00:20 2005 From: matt_gerber27 (Matt Gerber) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 16:00:20 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] Baylor Speakers Message-ID: All I have in front of me is the speaker awards...we are in the Open Semi's now, I will post some updates in a bit. Open: 1. More (UT) 2. Peterson (UT) 3. Murillo (Wayne St.) 4. Farmer (Wayne St.) 5. Tinsley (Kansas) 6. Gordon (UMKC) 7. Jordan (Kansas) 8. Johnson (Oklahoma) 9. Faltesek (Concordia) 10. Foster (UMKC) JV 1. Tuck (KCKCC) 2. Davick (Oklahoma) 3. DiPiazza (UT-San Antonio) 4. Foell (Oklahoma) 5. Reyna (UT-San Antonio) From overbey Mon Jan 24 18:06:31 2005 From: overbey (Daniel Overbey) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 19:06:31 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Navy Tournament Logistics Message-ID: Important Announcements: 1. Registration will be in the tournament hotel. You MUST come to the tournament hotel on your way to campus, otherwise the very polite, reasonably well-dressed and very well armed Marines will turn you away at the gate. Here is the scoop, each driver will have a pass, to be distributed at registration. Registration will run from 11:00am to 2:30pm at the Radisson. NOTE THE SLIGHT CHANGE FROM THE INVITE, THIS IS TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO GET TO THE ACADEMY (and for me to copy pairings). I will announce the room soon (but it will be either 280 or 282). 2. Online entries will close in 24 hours. PLEASE verify your entry and make any changes that need to be made. If you are donating rounds to a different school, please up your obligations as well. 3. If you are going to be in town, and would like to join for dinner Thursday evening at a really nice steak house, please let me know, as I will be making reservations in the next day or so. We can't wait to see you all in Annapolis, this tournament is about 10-15% larger than last year and the Mids are looking forward to showing off the Academy (but they will not be allowed to wake you up at 0500 for PT). Dan p.s. Remember, this tournament WILL run on time. From hansonjb Mon Jan 24 18:27:12 2005 From: hansonjb (Jim Hanson) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 16:27:12 -0800 Subject: [eDebate] berkeley octas results References: <007801c50245$8a358750$69030a0a@whitman.edu> <00d001c5024f$903e2170$69030a0a@whitman.edu> Message-ID: <010a01c50274$d46a8620$69030a0a@whitman.edu> northwestern dj WINS 3-0 vs usc is west georgia kt WINS vs dartmouth bm harvard lm WINS vs michigan jk whitman ss WINS 2-1 vs redlands st semis is whitman ss vs northwestern dj west georgia kt vs harvard lm jim :) hansonjb at whitman.edu ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Hanson" To: "EDebate Listserv" Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 11:57 AM Subject: [eDebate] berkeley octas results csulb kp vs usc is WINS dartmouth bm WINS vs samford pm harvard lm WINS vs northwestern hs michigan jk WINS 2-1 versus fullerton mm northwestern dj WINS 2-1 vs whitman bm redlands st WINS vs northwestern bc west georgia kt WINS vs fort hays br whitman ss WINS vs fullerton kl the wins were 3-0 except as noted and the redlands-northwestern round, i don't know the ballot count on that. jim :) hansonjb at whitman.edu _______________________________________________ eDebate mailing list eDebate at ndtceda.com To subscribe, UNSUBSCRIBE, and see the subscriber list, go here: http://ndtceda.com/mailman/listinfo/edebate _______________________________________________ eDebate mailing list eDebate at ndtceda.com To subscribe, UNSUBSCRIBE, and see the subscriber list, go here: http://ndtceda.com/mailman/listinfo/edebate From greenjm5 Mon Jan 24 18:36:14 2005 From: greenjm5 (Justin Green) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 18:36:14 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] Looking to hire 4 Rounds at Navy Message-ID: If interested - email at jmg78 at georgetown.edu - pay $25 per Thanks Justin Green From sarah Mon Jan 24 20:20:05 2005 From: sarah (Sarah Snider) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:20:05 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Job Announcement- DC Urban Debate League Message-ID: <200501250220.j0P2K5H18883@hsdebate.com> The DCUDL is adding an additional full time staff position. The official announcement is below. Sarah ******************************************************************** Position Announcement Project Coordinator * Salary Range: $33,628 - $40,143 Date: 01-13-04 Location: Van Ness Campus Closing Date: Open Until Filled Responsible to: Chairperson, Urban Affairs, Social Science and Social Works College of Arts and Sciences, Provost and Vice President, Academic Affairs Brief Description of Duties Manages the day-to-day activities and projects of the District of Columbia Urban Debate League. Identifies and develops funding opportunities with private institutions, donors, and foundations to support the sustainability of the District of Columbia Urban Debate League. Serves as the liaison between the Board of Directors and principal investigator of the grant and leaders of the District of Columbia Public School system Coordinates the administrative and reporting requirements of the Department of Urban Affairs, Open Society Institute and the District of Columbia Urban Debate League Board of Directors. Develops and implements a strategy for public relations and media outreach. Qualification Required Two and one half full years of progressively higher level graduate education or one and one half years of specialized experience is required. Specialized experience is experience that has equipped the applicant with the particular knowledge, skills and abilities to perform successfully the duties of the position, and that is typically in or related to the position as described above. The one and one half years of specialized experience must be equivalent to the next lower grade level. Candidate must have demonstrated skills in grant writing and acquiring grant funds. University of the District of Columbia is an equal opportunity employer The Residency Preference Amendment Act of 1988, D.C. Law 7-203, created a system which provides that any applicant for employment in the Career or Educational Services who is a bona fide resident of the District of Columbia may claim a residency preference at the time of application. An applicant selected for appointment based on District residency will be required to submit proof of bona fide District residency. Bona fide District residency must be maintained from the date of appointment to the position and for five consecutive years. All candidates will be considered without regard to race, color, religion, national origin, sex, age, martial status, personal appearance, sexual orientation, familial status, family responsibilities, matriculation, political affiliation, disability, source of income, place of residence or business. This position is not in the collective bargaining unit. * This position is grant funded and it is subject to terminate at anytime. Please submit UDC Professional Application and r?sum? to: Mrs. Mary Miller University to the District of Columbia Office of Human Resources Building 38, Suite 301 4200 Connecticut Avenue, N.W. Washington, D.C. 20008 -- Sarah J. Snider Program Director- DCUDL 100 Peabody St. NW- 1st floor Washington, D.C. 20011 (703)582-2040 The DC Urban Debate League - www.dcdebate.org From matt_moore85 Mon Jan 24 21:17:32 2005 From: matt_moore85 (Matt Moore) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:17:32 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] Need Help Finding Study Message-ID: Hey all, I am posting this on behalf of Amber Davisson: I need to find out who published a study about a year ago on male and female participation in HS forensics. Looking for the cite for a research paper. Please backchannel me at: cuteasalilbutton at yahoo.com. Thanks, Amber From iriamenzo Mon Jan 24 22:41:11 2005 From: iriamenzo (Phillip Samuels) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 22:41:11 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] Unoffical Baylor results Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20050124/6e9c3b3b/attachment.html From bms37 Mon Jan 24 23:24:05 2005 From: bms37 (Brian Simmonds) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 00:24:05 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Berkeley Finals Message-ID: <22fdc9a22fd1da.22fd1da22fdc9a@law.georgetown.edu> West Georgia v. Northwestern Panel and sides unknown. Brian -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Brian From KCunningham Tue Jan 25 07:52:08 2005 From: KCunningham (Cunningham, Kenda) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 08:52:08 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Job opening - Miami, FL Message-ID: Carrollton School of the Sacred Heart in Miami, Florida is looking to hire a second full-time debate coach starting in the fall of 2005. We are a nationally competitive all girls policy debate team located in Coconut Grove. The program is currently in its 7th year of existence and has strong administrative support. The job would require teaching a few classes and traveling regularly to both local and national tournaments. A teaching certificate is not required. If you are interested, please feel free to contact me for more information. Thanks a lot, Kenda Cunningham Director of Debate Carrollton School of the Sacred Heart 305-446-5673 Ext 1584 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If you aren't going to Navy and want to make some money, please let me know as soon as possible so we can get you hired..schools are desperate. Duane "You may be whatever you resolve to be." Thomas J. Jackson" "If all mankind minus one were of one opinion and only one person were of the contrary opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that person that he, if he had the power, would be in silencing mankind? If the opinion is right, they are deprived of the opportunity of exchanging error for truth; if wrong, they lose, what is almost as great a benefit, the clearer perception and livelier impression of truth, produced by its collision with error." John S. Mill --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20050125/388fba21/attachment.html From Karla_Leeper Tue Jan 25 09:41:16 2005 From: Karla_Leeper (Leeper, Karla) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 09:41:16 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] STUDENT CERTIFICATION/BID DEADLINES Message-ID: <3E798250B7BD144D87BF0E7C0667FDCA1C4228@FS-EXCHANGE2.baylor.edu> ENROLLMENT CERTIFICATION. The rule states: To be an eligible debater for the National Debate Tournament, a student must provide, by February 8th to the NDT committee chair, an official document from appropriate university officials verifying that he/she is registered as a full time or degree seeking undergraduate student and is in good standing at the school, for which he/she is participating, as of February 1st immediately preceding the NDT in which he/she wishes to participate. If the week preceding February 8th is the first week of instruction for an institution, that institution may submit to the NDT committee chair by February 8th a list of students who intend to submit verification documents, and those documents must be received by the NDT committee chair no later than the day prior to the announcement of first round at large bid recipients. (This year that date is February 13, 2005). The bold type reflects the changes in the rule that were unanimously passed by the NDT committee at the Northwestern meeting in February of 2004. Please note those changes from last year. Letters should be sent (By US mail or fax) to: Dr. Karla Leeper, NDT Chair Department of Communication Studies One Bear Place #97368 Baylor University Waco, TX 76798 Fax-254-710-1563 (a fax may be sent to meet the deadline, but should be followed by the paper copy with the registrar's seal) I will be at the Northwestern tournament and I will be happy to accept your documents there as well. FIRST ROUND AT LARGE BIDS, DISTRICT DECLARATIONS, SECOND ROUND AT LARGE BIDS Those subscribing schools wishing to nominate their teams for at large consideration must submit copies of their completed electronic Official NDT At Large Application (without covering letters or other supplementary materials). Applications must be received by the dates listed below. Schools submitting at large applications must have paid their NDT subscription fee prior to submitting their application for the bid to be considered. In addition, all teams wishing to be considered for an at large bid must pay $50.00 to the treasurer of the NDT board of trustees. A system has been set up to pay using paypal, or the treasurer also will accept a check or money order made out to the NDT, RECEIVED BY THE APPLICATION DEADLINE, sent to the following address: Brett O'Donnell NDT Treasurer Liberty University Debate 1971 University Blvd. Lynchburg, VA 24502 The electronic at large bid form may be found at: http://commweb.fullerton.edu/jbruschke/web/index.aspx First Round at Large Bids Must be received by Committee Members Thursday, February 10, 2005 (5 p.m. CST) Committee calls or email to Director Saturday and Sunday, February 12 and 13, 2005 Director announces Monday, February 14, 2005 District Procedures Declaration of intent to attend district Tuesday, February 15, 2005 Announcement of district bids Wednesday, February 16, 2005 Second Round at Large Bids Must be received by Committee Members Thursday, March 3, 2005 (5 p.m. CST) Committee calls or email to Director Saturday and Sunday, March 5 and 6, 2005 Director announces Monday, March 7, 2005 Director's email is John.Fritch at uni.edu Should any problems arise, members of the committee may be reached the following way. Also, fax and emails are provided for the sending of application forms. Karla Leeper (Chair) Fax 254-710-1563 Karla_Leeper at baylor.edu John Fritch (Director) Fax 319-273-7356 John.Fritch at uni.edu Gordon Stables (D1) stables at usc.edu Glen Frappier (D2) frappier at gem.gonzaga.edu Joel Rollins (D3) Jd.rollins at mail.utexas.edu Fred Sternhagen (D4) sternhag at cord.edu Dick Lesicko(D4) lesicko at macalester.edu Mike Eber (D5) eber at msu.edu Ross Smith (D6) smithr at wfu.edu Kevin Kuswa (D7) kkuswa at richmond.edu John Katsulas (D8) john.katsulas.1 at bc.edu Sarah Partlow (D9) partsara at isu.edu Tim O'Donnell (AFA E) todonnel at mwc.edu Joe Zompetti (AFA MW) Zompetti at aol.com Ed Lee (AFA S) edlee3 at BAMA.ua.edu Leeper is AFA W Frappier is the host -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20050125/87ffc038/attachment.htm From jwpatt00 Tue Jan 25 09:34:10 2005 From: jwpatt00 (JW Patterson) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 10:34:10 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] TOC: USC, Churchill, and Colleyville Quals In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MISSING RESULTS: WE ARE CURRENTLY MISSING RESULTS FROM MBA AND LEXINGTON MASS. UNDER OUR NEW RULES THESE RESULTS MUST BE POSTED BY FEBUARY 10, 2005. TOC APPLICATIONS: APPLICATIONS AND TOC TOURNAMENT INFORMATION ARE NOW AVAILABLE AT THE FOLLOWING WEBSITE: www.uky.edu/studentaffairs/deanofstudent/debate PLEASE NOTE: SCHOOLS DEBATING UNDER AN INDEPENDENT NAME AS OPPOSED TO THEIR SCHOOL NAME CANNOT BE CERTIFIED FOR A BID. SUCH BIDS WILL NOT COUNT TOWARD QUALIFICATION TO THE TOC. > > DEADLINES: BOTH FULLY-QUALIFIED AND AT-LARGE APPLICATIONS WITH FEES ARE DUE IN > LEXINGTON BY MARCH 15, 2005. PLEASE NOTE, NOT POSTMARKED ON THIS DATE, BUT IN > LEXINGTON BY THIS DATE. > > THE ROAD TO THE FIFTH TOC OF THE TWENTY-FIRST CENTURY > DATES: SATURDAY, SUNDAY, MONDAY > APRIL 30, MAY 1, AND 2, 2005 > > TOURNAMENT HOTEL: RAMADA INN (ASK FOR INTERNET ACCESSIBILITY) > > PHONE # - 859-299-1261 (Hotel is rapidly filling) > > DISCLAIMER: THE RESULTS POSTED FROM EACH TOURNAMENT ARE ALWAYS SUBJECT TO > CHANGE IF THE TOURNAMENT DIRECTOR REPORTS THAT A MISTAKE WAS MADE IN THE > ORIGINAL CERTIFICATION. IT SHOULD ALSO BE NOTED THAT THE NAMES ARE SPELLED AS > REPORTED BY THE TOURNAMENT DIRECTOR AND ARE SUBJECT TO CORRECTION IF A > MISSPELLING HAS APPEARED. > > 1) TOURNAMENT DIRECTORS PLEASE NOTE: WHEN CERTIFYING THE TOC QUALIFIERS PLEASE > INCLUDE FULL NAME, SCHOOL, AND STATE OF THE DEBATERS. > > 2) COACHES AND DEBATERS PLEASE NOTE: A DEBATER IN LD OR A TEAM IN POLICY MUST > ACTUALLY PARTICIPATE IN A QUALIFYING ROUND TO RECEIVE A TOC 'BID.' IN OTHER > WORDS, IF A DEBATER OR TEAM DOES NOT DEBATE THE ROUND FOR WHATEVER REASON THEY > CANNOT RECEIVE A TOC 'BID' FOR THAT ROUND. THIS REQUIREMENT WAS OVERWHELMINGLY > RECOMMENDED BY THE TOC ADVISORY COMMITTEE . > UNIVERSITY OF SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA (CA) ` Gordon Stables, Director of the USC Invitational in California, has certified the TOC Qualifiers for 2005. USC is a TOC Qualifier in Policy Debate at the quarter-finals level. POLICY Mike Jones and JR Maycock Highland (UT) Jadon Marianetti and Albert Yeh Leland (CA) Matt Berggren and Roi Ceren Damien (CA) Kevin Kooi and Andrew Lee College Prep (CA) Kate Avansino and Clare Velasquez Nevada Union (CA) Melissa Hanna and James Mollison Notre Dame (CA) Emily Ferenbach and Thomas Kenny Meadows (NV) Izzi Blachman-Biatch and Kailash Srinivasan College Prep (CA) COLLEYVILLE HERITAGE (TX) Cynthia Timmons, Director of the Colleyville Heritage Debate Tournament in Texas, has certified the TOC Qualifiers for 2005. Colleyville is a TOC Qualifier at the semi-finals level in Policy Debate, and at the finals level in LD Debate. POLICY Chipp Schwab and Liz Potter Clear Lake (TX) Tim Schweitzer and Ralph Paone Galveston Ball (TX) Nathan Baum and Jessica Stolbach Greenhill (TX) Mathew Andrews and Sam Iola Highland Park (TX) LINCOLN DOUGLAS Bryan Cory Jersey Village (TX) David Wolfish Greenhill (TX) CHURCHILL (TX) Kandi King, Director of the Churchill Debate Tournament in Texas, has certified the TOC Qualifiers for 2005. Churchill is a TOC Qualifier in Lincoln Douglas Debate at the Finals Level. LINCOLN-DOUGLAS Ryan Cooper Westlake HS (TX) Mack Coleman Marcus HS (TX) Sincerely, JW Patterson TOC Director and Founder _______________________________________________ cx-l mailing list cx-l at debate.net http://total.confusion.net/mailman/listinfo/cx-l ------ End of Forwarded Message _______________________________________________ cx-l mailing list cx-l at debate.net http://total.confusion.net/mailman/listinfo/cx-l ------ End of Forwarded Message -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20050125/3299e191/attachment.html From mmdoggett Tue Jan 25 11:32:43 2005 From: mmdoggett (Matthew Doggett) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 12:32:43 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] AppState Asst. debate coach Message-ID: Hey everyone, I have attached the job description for an asst debate coach at App State. As I hope you know, Appalachian has had a long proud debate history. We have strong institutional support, so I hope that everyone looking for a job next year will seriously consider Appalachian. Matthew Doggett Communication Generalist/Assistant Forensics Coach Appalachian State University?s Department of Communication is seeking an outstanding Lecturer in Communication beginning August 2005. An earned master?s degree in the communication discipline is required. Experience in debate or other speech competition activities is necessary. After the initial one-year appointment as Lecturer, a multi-year appointment is possible. Primary teaching responsibilities will be in the Organizational/Public concentration including public speaking and one or more of the following: introduction to human communication, nonverbal communication, small group communication and argumentation and advocacy. Assignment will include assisting with an award-winning nationally known forensics program. Responsibilities include advising undergraduates and participating in departmental, university and professional service activities. A completed application will include an application letter, a curriculum vitae, a separate teaching philosophy statement, photocopies of official college transcripts and the names, addresses, phone numbers and email addresses of at least three references. Review of applications will begin on December 13, 2004, and will continue until the position is filled. Submit application material to: Chair, Communication/Forensics Search Committee, Department of Communication, ASU Box 32039, Appalachian State University, Boone, North Carolina 28608-2039; Fax number: 828-262-2543. The Department of Communication(http://www.asucom.appstate.edu ) has a strong commitment to promoting diversity among our five concentrations (Advertising, Electronic Media, Journalism, Organizational/Public, and Public Relations) and throughout the university community. Appalachian State University is an Equal Opportunity Employer, promotes diversity among students and employees, and is actively recruiting women and minorities. From FijiPapabear Tue Jan 25 11:40:26 2005 From: FijiPapabear (FijiPapabear at aol.com) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 12:40:26 EST Subject: [eDebate] Towson and USMA Message-ID: I am trying to get in touch with yall that are coming to WVU for some case info. thanks Alex Acosta University of Miami -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20050125/51964af3/attachment.htm From kenedebate Tue Jan 25 12:22:34 2005 From: kenedebate (Ken DeLaughder) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 12:22:34 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] AFA website problem In-Reply-To: <0EE32D049567794FA08AE220A11F45310314E8EE@dopey.University.liberty.edu> Message-ID: Hey Brett, The AFA website keeps messing up after I enter my data and hit "next page" so I can't pay my dues online (which is the way they want me to do it here!). Any ideas? I called Pratt to let him know, and I"ll keep trying. Ken DeLaughder ESU Debate _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee? Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From bodonnel Tue Jan 25 13:07:42 2005 From: bodonnel (O'Donnell, Brett M.) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 14:07:42 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] 4 rounsd to sell at Navy Message-ID: <0EE32D049567794FA08AE220A11F45310314E921@dopey.University.liberty.edu> Liberty has four rounds of judging to sell at the Naval Academy Tournament. Please e-mail me if interested. Brett M. O'Donnell Director of Debate Liberty University 1971 University Blvd. Lynchburg, VA 24502 434-582-2080 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20050125/b2769d0b/attachment.html From vandy.debate Tue Jan 25 14:06:26 2005 From: vandy.debate (M L Sandoz) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 20:06:26 GMT Subject: [eDebate] Vanderbilt Feb 11 - 13 Message-ID: <20050125.120707.5132.99222@webmail12.lax.untd.com> If you are planning on entering the tournament, please let me know as soon as you can: ML.Sandoz at vanderbilt.edu M. L. Sandoz Vanderbilt University Director of Debate 615-322-3784 (O), 615-322-2307 (O) 615-343-7918 (F), 615-673-7340 (H) ___________________________________________________________________ Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/month -visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! From stannardmatt Tue Jan 25 16:43:55 2005 From: stannardmatt (matt stannard) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 15:43:55 -0700 Subject: [eDebate] Air Force Results Message-ID: Rachel Woodward of USAFA does not subscribe to edebate, but I would be remiss not to thank her for offering a division of NDT/CEDA debate at her tournament. These regional tournaments, however small, are vital to the survival of resource-challenged programs in our geographic area. I hope more teams will consider attending in the future. The top JV-designated speaker was Denver's Logan Martin. Open Speakers: 1. Brittany Parsons, Wyoming 2. Rebecca Fisher, Wyoming 3. Thomas Howard, Eastern New Mexico 4. Sean Sargent, Denver 5. Tyler Warner, Denver Open Semis: Denver EM 3-0 over Wyoming FP Wyoming EL 2-1 over Denver KM Finals: Wyoming EL 3-0 over Denver EM JV Breakout: Wyoming SW 3-0 over Northwest AF All the best, Matt Stannard Director of Forensics University of Wyoming From andyliudebate Tue Jan 25 16:49:38 2005 From: andyliudebate (andy liu) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 22:49:38 +0000 Subject: [eDebate] NDT Help for Hire Message-ID: I'd like to travel to the NDT this year and experience it for once. I am willing to cut cards, scout, whatever for any team willing to pay for my ticket, hotel room, etc. for the weekend. My career will be over by then, so I won't really have a vested competitive interest for/against any team and would be willing to fully channel my efforts to helping someone else have a successful, end-of-the-year/career tournament. If you're interested in hiring me, please email me at abl2002 at columbia.edu -- and not this address. thanks for reading andy liu From NDIDC30Round Tue Jan 25 20:29:44 2005 From: NDIDC30Round (NDIDC30Round at aol.com) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 21:29:44 EST Subject: [eDebate] Sophia Vickery from G-town Message-ID: Are you out there? Anyone know her contact info? Sorry to clutter the list, couldn't figure it out from the subscriber list. Corey Turoff -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20050125/23bbb276/attachment.htm From KWhalen Tue Jan 25 20:48:16 2005 From: KWhalen (Whalen, Kristina) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 18:48:16 -0800 Subject: [eDebate] Last Call-Research grant Message-ID: <15E29EFEC45DC34F8A91C46CBE80BF4409C99C56@ESCHE.csuchico.edu> Applications for the CEDA research grant are due his Friday. Application materials can be found at www.cedadebate.org under member services. Contact me if you have questions. Kristina Whalen CEDA President -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20050125/918b073c/attachment.html From let_the_american_empire_burn Tue Jan 25 21:08:27 2005 From: let_the_american_empire_burn (Kevin Sanchez) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 21:08:27 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] wondering what you all thought of this disposition.... Message-ID: welcome any comments; sorry for any typos. .k __ I. THESIS : An Introduction to the Non-Fascist Life Rooting out all forms of fascism in everyday speech/acts is essential to ethics as an art of living. Michel Foucault, writing in 1972. (Preface to, Anti-Oedipus: Capitalism & Schizophrenia. pxiii-iv.) Last but not least, the major enemy, the strategic adversary is fascism (wheras Anti-Oedipus' opposition to the others is more of a tactical engagement). And not only historical fascism, the fascism of Hitler and Mussolini - which was able to mobilize and use the desire of the masses so effectively - but also the fascism in us all, in our heads and in our everyday behavior, the fascism that causes us to love power, to desire the very thing that dominates and exploits us. I would say that Anti-Oedipus (may its authors forgive me) is a book of ethics, the first book of ethics to be written in France in quite a long time (perhaps that explains why its success was not limited to a particular "readership" : being anti-oedipul has become a life style, a way of thinking and living). How does one keep from being fascist, even (especially) when one believes oneself to be a revolutionary militant? How do we rid our speech and our acts, our hearts and our pleasures, of fascism? How do we ferret out the fascism that is ingrained in our behavior? The Christian moralists sought out the traces of the flesh lodged deep within the soul. Deleuze and Guattari, for their part, pursue the slightest traces of fascism in the body. Paying a modest tribute to Saint Francis de Sales, * {*A seventeenth-century priest and Bishop of Geneva, known for his Introduction to the Devout Life} one might say that Anti-Oedipus is an Introduction to the Non-Fascist Life. This art of living counter to all forms of fascism, whether already present or impending, carries with it a certain number of essential principles which I would summarize as follows if I were to make this great book into a manual or guide to everyday life: Free political action from all unitary and totalizing paranoia. Develop action, thought, and desires by proliferation, juxtaposition, and disjunction, and not by subdivision and pyramidal hierarchization. Withdraw allegiance from the old categories of the Negative (law, limit, castration, lack, lacuna), which Western thought has so long held sacred as a form of power and an access to reality. Prefer what is positive and multiple, difference over uniformity, flows over unities, mobile arrangements over systems. Believe that what is productive is not sedentary but nomadic. Do not think that one has to be sad in order to be militant, even though the thing one is fighting is abominable. It is the connection of desire to reality (and not its retreat into the forms of representation) that possesses revolutionary force. Do not use thought to ground a political practice in Truth; nor political action to discredit, as mere speculation, a line of thought. Use political practice as an intensifier of thought, and analysis as a multiplier of the forms and domains for the intervention of political action. Do not demand of politics that it restore the "rights" of the individual, as philosophy has defined them. The individual is the product of power. What is needed is to "de-individualize" by means of multiplication and displacement, diverse combinations. The group must not be the organic bond uniting hierarchized individuals, but a constant generator of de-individualization. Do not become enamored of power. II. LINKS : Oedipal Forms. Current debating practices commodify literature and argument into cards and timed speeches, which neurotically fixate on the goal of winning and deaden the revolutionary potential of debate. Gilles Deleuze & Felix Guattari, writing in 1972. (Anti-Oedipus. p133-4.) As for ideology, it is the most confused notion because it keeps us from seizing the relationship to the literary machine with a field of production, and the moment when the emitted sign breaks though this "form of content" that was attempting to maintain the sign within the order of the signifier. Yet it has been a long time since Engels demonstrated, already apropos of Balzac, how an author is great because he cannot prevent himself from tracing flows and causing them to circulate, flows that split asunder the catholic and despotic signifiers of his work, and that necessarily nourish a revolutionary machine on the horizon. That is what style is, or rather the absence of style - asyntactic, agrammatical: the moment when language is no longer defined by what is says, even less by what makes it a signifying thing, but by what causes it to move, to flow, and to explode - desire. For literature is like schizophrenia: a process and not a goal, a production and not an expression. Here again, oedipalization is one of the most important factors in the reduction of literature to an object of consumption conforming to the established order, and incapable of causing anyone harm. It is not a question here of the personal oedipalization of the author and his readers, but of the Oedipal form to which one attempts to enslave the work itself, to make of it this minor expressive activity that secretes ideology according to the dominant codes. The work of art is supposed to inscribe itself in this fashion between the two poles of Oedipus, problem and solution, neurosis and sublimation, desire and truth - the one regressive, where the work hashes out and redistributes the nonresolved conflicts of childhood, and the other progressive, by which the work invents the paths leading toward a new solution concerning the future of man. It is said that the work is constituted by a conversion interior to itself as "cultural object." From this point of view, there is no longer even any need for applying psychoanalysis to the work of art, since the work itself constitutes a successful psychoanalysis, a sublime "transference" with exemplary collective virtualities. The hypocritical warning resounds: a little neurosis is good for the work of art, good material, but not psychosis, especially not psychosis; we draw a line between the eventually creative neurotic aspect, and the psychotic aspect, alienating and destructive. As if the great voices, which were capable of performing a breakthrough in grammar and syntax, and of making all language a desire, were not speaking from the depths of psychosis, and as if they were not demonstrating for our benefit an eminently psychotic and revolutionary means of escape. It is correct to measure established literature against an Oedipal psychoanalysis, for this literature deploys a form of superego proper to it, even more noxious than the nonwritten superego. Oedipus is in fact literary before being psychoanalytic. There will always be a Breton against Artaud, a Goethe against Lenz, a Schiller against Holderlin, in order to superegoize literature and tell us: Careful, go no further! No "errors for lack of tact"! Werther yes, Lenz no! The Oedipal form of literature is its commodity form. We are free to think that there is finally even less dishonesty in psychoanalysis than in established literature, since the neurotic pure and simple produces a solitary work, irresponsible, illegible, and nonmarketable, which on the contrary must pay not only to be read, but to be translated and reduced. He makes at least an economic error, an error in tact, and does not spread his values. Artaud puts it well: all writing is so much pig shit - that is to say, any literature that takes itself as an end or sets ends for itself, instead of being a process that "ploughs the crap of being and its language," transports the weak, the aphasiacs, the illiterate. At least spare us sublimation. Every writer is a sellout. The only literature is that which places an explosive device in its package, fabricating a counterfeit currency, causing the superego and its form of expression to explode, as well as the market value of its form of content. III. IMPLICATIONS : Micro-Fascism Focusing too much on the state blinds us to the micro-political groups and gestures that sustain fascism. Gilles Deleuze & Felix Guattari, writing in 1980. (A Thousand Plateaus. p214-5.) Doubtless, fascism invented the concept of the totalitarian State, but there is no reason to define fascism by a concept of its own devising: there are totalitarian States, of the Stalinist or military dictatorship type, that are not fascist. The concept of the totalitarian State applies only at the macrophysical level, to a rigid segmentarity and a particular mode of totalization and centralization. But fascism is inseparable from a proliferation of molecular forces in interaction, which skip from point to point, before beginning to resonate together in the National Socialist State. Rural fascism and city or neighborhood fascism, youth fascism and war veteran's fascism, fascism of the Left and fascism of the Right, fascism of the couple, family, school, and office: every fascism is defined by a micro-black hole that stands on its own and communicates with the others, before resonating in a great, generalized central black hole. There is fascism when a war machine is installed in each hole, in every niche. Even after the National Socialist State had been established, microfascisms persisted that gave it unequaled ability to act upon the "masses." Daniel Guerin is correct to say that if Hitler took power, rather then taking over the German State administration, it was because from the beginning he had at his disposal microorganizations giving him "an unequaled, irreplaceable ability to penetrate every cell of society," in other words, a molecular and supple segementarity, flows capable of suffusing every kind of cell. Conversely, if capitalism came to consider the fascist experience as catastrophic, if it preferred to ally itself with Stalinist totalitarianism, which from its point of view was much more sensible and manageable, it was because the segementarity and centralization of the latter was more classical and less fluid. What makes fascism dangerous is its molecular or micropolitical power, for it is a mass movement: a cancerous boduy rather than a totalitarian organism. American film has often depicted these molecular focal point; band, gang, sect, family, town, neighborhood, vehicle fasisms spare no one. Only microfascism provides an answer to the global question: Why does desire desire its own repression, how can it desire its own repression? The masses certainly do not passively submit to power; nor do they "want" to be repressed, in a kind of masochistic hysteria; nor are they tricked by an ideological lure. Desire is never separable from complex assemblages that necessarily tie into molecular levels, from microformations already shaping postures, attitudes, perceptions, expectations, semiotic systems, etc. Desire is never an undifferentiated instinctual energy, but itself results from a highly developed, engineered setup rich in interactions: a whole supple segmentarity that processes molecular energies and potentially gives desire a fascist determination. Leftist organizations will not be the last to secrete microfascisms. It's too easy to be antifascist on the molar level, and not even see the fascist inside you, the fascist you yourself sustain and nourish and cherish with molecules both personal and collective. IV. ALTERNATIVES : Real Inorganization We must push the forum toward its own self-critique, moving beyond theater to 'pure positive mulitiplicity'. Gilles Deleuze & Felix Guattari, writing in 1972. (Anti-Oedipus. p.309.) This reverse side is the "real inorganization" of the molecular elements: partial objects that enter into indirect syntheses or interactions, since they are not partial in the sense of extensive parts, but rather partial like the intensities under which a unit of matter always fills space in varying degrees (the eye, the mouth, the anus as degress of matter); pure positive mulitiplicities where everything is possible, without exclusiveness or negation, syntheses operating without a plan, where the connections are transverse, the disjunctions included, the conjunctions polyvocal, indifferent to their underlying support, since this matter that serves them precisely as a support receives no specificity from any structural or personal unity, but appears as the body without organs that fills the space each time an intensity fills it; signs of desire that compose a signifying chain but that are not themselves signifying, and do not answer to the rules of a linguistic game of chess, but instead to the lottery drawings that sometimes cause a word to be chosen, sometimes a design, sometimes a thing or a piece of a thing, depending on one another only by the order of the random drawings, and holding together only by the absence of a link (nonlocalizable connections), having no other statutory condition than that of being dispersed elements of desiring-machines that are themselves dispersed. Experimenting with new articulations requires caution and patience - wild destruction is the worst option. Gilles Deleuze & Felix Guattari, writing in 1980. (A Thousand Plateaus. p160-1.) You have to keep enough of the organism for it to reform each dawn; and you have to keep small supplies of significance and subjectification, if only to turn them against their own systems when the circumstances demand it, when things, persons, even situations force you to; and you have to keep small rations of subjectivity in sufficient quantity to enable you to respond to the dominant reality. Mimic the strata. You don't reach the BwO, and its plane of consistency, by wildly destratifying. That is why we encountered the paradox of those emptied and dreary bodies at the very beginning: they had emptied themselves of their organs instead of looking for the point which they could patiently and momentarily dismantle the organization of organs we call the organism. There are, in fact, several ways of botching the BwO: either one fails to produce it, or one produces it more or less, but nothing is produced on it, intensities do not pass or are blocked. This is because the BwO is always swinging between the surfaces that stratify it and the plane that sets it free. If you free it with too violent an action, if you blow apart the strata without taking precautions, then instead of drawing the plane you will be killed, plunged into a black hole, or even dragged toward catastrophe. Staying stratified - organized, signified, subjected - is not the worst that can happen; the worst that can happen is if you throw the strata into demented or suicidal collapse, which brings them back down on us heavier than ever. This is how it should be done: Lodge yourself on a stratum, experiment with the opportunities it offers, find an advantageous place on it, find potential movements of deterritorialization, possible lines of flight, experience them, produce flow conjunctions here and there, try out continuums of intensities segment by segment, have a small plot of new land at all times. It is trough a meticulous relation with the strata that one suceeds in freeing lines of flight, causing conjugated flows to pass and escape and bringing forth continuous intensities for a BwO. Connect, conjugate, continue: a whole "diagram," as op[posed to still signifying and subjective programs. We are in a social formation; first see how it is stratified for us and in us and at the place where we are; then descend from the strata to the deeper assemblage within which we are held; gently tip the assemblage, making it pass over to the side of the plane of consistency. It is only there that the BwO reveals itself for what it is: connection of desires, conjunction of flows, continuum of intensities. You have constructed your own little machine, ready when needed to be plugged into other collective machines. _____ i've also sketched out a few insertions/extensions here : links - debate as familial institution : AO, p319-20. debate as state-function : ATP, p375-6; ATP, p385-7. fear of losing : ATP, p227. monomanical clarity : ATP, p228. segregation : AO, p103-4. ballot as emantiomorphosis : ATP, p107. impotent power : ATP, p229. implications - tribunals of guilt : AO, p269-71. machinic enslavement : ATP, p458. cruelty of signs : AO, p145. state violence : ATP, p447-8. being a cop : AO, p344-7. war on unspecified enemy : ATP, p420-3. alternatives - becoming-minority : ATP, p471; ATP, p292. singing : AO, p334. atomic poetry : ATP, p344-6. deoedipalization : AO, p112. outside thought : ATP, p376-8. rebel : ATP, p403. answers to... - performative contradiction : AO, p14-5. ATP, p78-9. reformism : AO, p277. performativity : ATP, p77-8. random items - 'international' : ATP,p435. treating people as numbers : ATP, p390. mental health : AO, p320-1. humanism : AO, p225. gay liberation : AO, p350-1. terror without precedent : AO, p192. anti-drugs : ATP, 282-6. racism : ATP, p178. nation-state system : ATP, p453-6. private property : AO, p303. generation gap : AO, p350. overcoding : AO, p199. consumption as last word of oedipus : AO, p312-4. From SSbauschard2 Tue Jan 25 21:32:00 2005 From: SSbauschard2 (SSbauschard2 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 22:32:00 EST Subject: [eDebate] Scouting -- NDT 2005 Message-ID: <9b.57ab6ede.2f286930@aol.com> Hi everyone, As March approaches, we are trying to make some preliminary plans for the scouting system at the NDT. It was a big hit last year, and thanks to the efforts of Adri and Slusher it went incredibly well. The biggest potential hurdle this year is the raw number of scouts. Last year we had almost enough scouts to cover almost every debate. This year, given the price of plane tickets for many, some concern has been voiced that a more limited # of scouts will show up. We'd like to get a feel for how many people will still bring scouts &how many they are willing to contribute to the greater community effort. We'll probably need to rely on some hefty support from West coast schools, the same way we relied a lot on East coast schools last year. If you are planning on bringin a scout or scout you are willing to contribute, please let me know so we can make some preliminary plans. Stefan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In addition to the teams on the debateresults site (WVU, Bing, West Point, NYU, and Bard) we have the following entries: Umass teams: Novice: Alexa Roscoe & Aaron Smith Jenn Gorson & Jessica Hoffman JV: Alex Ambroz & Randall Brueckner Rochester teams: OPEN Anna Czapla and Ilana Kaplan-Shain Steve D?Amico and Buddy Khan Liz Gaskell and Mike Morosi JV Contessa Gibson and Eric Miller Chris Lavin and Pat Hitchcock Simon Gong and Ben Wittwer NOVICE Sarah Morrill and Mary Ellen Chieco Jo Smith and Jon Elkin Mike Gunther and David Merkle Maya Chandally and Vera Zavin Bryan Bernsetin and Ron Ro Rachel Thibo and Nick Wrem Buffalo team: Yasin Davila/Renee Elich - Open Vermont teams: Harlow-Keller JV Sanders-Kimerer open Nelson-McMahan open Landsman-Roos-Hitchcock open Benjamin-Yeasir JV Clark-Whiting JV Fletcher-Meany open Jokajtys-Schaefer novice Mantone-Ottman novice Cornell teams: Sherin Varghese and Ahmed Mousa (open) Linda Obioha and Neelu Toor (open) Steven Wu and Brianna Dollinger (open) Candice Williams and Alvin Liu (jv) From thevcmaster Tue Jan 25 22:42:32 2005 From: thevcmaster (Ahmad Abbas) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 22:42:32 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] Baylor JT Message-ID: <7199c0b105012520423e0072bb@mail.gmail.com> Hey, Could one of you please e-mail me thanks, ahmad abbas utd debate From Kenneth.M.Strange Tue Jan 25 22:45:12 2005 From: Kenneth.M.Strange (Kenneth M. Strange) Date: 25 Jan 2005 23:45:12 EST Subject: [eDebate] Round reports from the Dartmouth RR Message-ID: <48452408@newvixen.Dartmouth.EDU> Thanks to the hardwork of a number of Dartmouth debaters, we were able to compile the enclosed round reports during our tournament last weekend. Special thanks go to Maggie Berthiaume for coordinating this effort. If anyone has trouble reading these, let me know and I will try to post them as message text. Ken Strange -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: DARTMOUTH ROUND ROBIN AFF REPORTS.21500DEFANGED-doc Type: application/defanged Size: 399872 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20050125/5c1c2f46/attachment.bin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Strange) Date: 26 Jan 2005 01:14:52 EST Subject: [eDebate] Dartmouth aff reports/message text Message-ID: <48456350@newvixen.Dartmouth.EDU> BERKELEY Berkeley, AFF, Rd 2 VS MSU 1AC INHERENCY Bush is pursuing voluntary emissions caps in the status quo?guarantees increasing energy consumption and CO2 emissions Knox, Associate Prof of law @ Penn State, 2004 (Winter, 12 Penn St. Envtl. L. Rev. 135, lexis) In March 2001, when President THE UNITED STATES FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SHOULD ESTABLISH AN UPSTREAM, AUCTIONED, CAP AND TRADE SYSTEM WITH A CAP THAT REDUCES DOMESTIC NON-GOVERNMENTAL CARBON EMISSIONS TO BELOW 1990 LEVELS BY 2012. CONTENTION TWO- WARMING SUBPOINT A- ECOSYSTEM COLLAPSE -- Warming is occurring quickly and is human induced?the most qualified scientific evidence proves Gelbspan, long time science reporter and winner of the Pulitzer Prize, 2004 (Ross, Boiling Point, p. 23-32) That argument was first answered in -- Fossil fuel consumption is the major contributor to this massive biodiversity loss McDaniel and Borton, bio scientists, 2002 (10/1, Bioscience, No. 10, Vol. 52, p. 929) When we use fossil fuels as an -- Biodiversity is critical to prevent extinction Richard Margoluis, Biodiversity Support Program, 1996, http://www.bsponline.org/publications/showhtml.php3?10 Biodiversity not only provides -- Slowing the rate of warming is critical?gives ecosystems time to adapt Thomas professor of Biodiversity and Conservation at the School of Biology at U Leeds 2004 (Carl et. al. Nature, January 8, ?Extinction Risk from Climate Change?) Despite these uncertainties, we believe that the SUBPOINT B AGRICULTURE -- Warming will cause frequent extreme weather events generating massive climate instability Godrej 2001 ? Former editor of New Internationalist The No-Nonsense Guide to Global Climate Change, p. (23-24) All change So what's in store? -- Climate oscillations will destroy agriculture and the world economy?kills billions Milbrath, Director of the Research Program in Environment and Society at the State University of New York-Buffalo, 1994 (THE FUTURIST, May, p. 28.) Another scenario suggests that CONTENTION TWO- OIL -- Oil will run out? the peak will be reached by 2010 John Attarian, Ph.D., doctorate in economics from Michigan, 2002 (?The Coming End of Cheap Oil? The Social Contract, Summer http://www.thesocialcontract.com/cgi-bin/showarticle.pl?articleID=1094&terms=) Other geologists have recently applied Hubbert?s -- Without immediate efforts to reduce consumption the oil peak will destroy the global economy Roberts, Harper's Magazine, Finalist for the National Magazine Award, 2004 (Paul, The End of Oil: A Perilous New World, p. 12-14) Yet despite the staying power of the status quo -- This causes multiple nuclear wars Lewis 98 (Chris, Coming Age of Scarcity, Amercian Studies at UC Boulder) Most critics would argue, -- As supplies run out the U.S. will initiate a massive military campaign to secure oil supplies, collapsing hegemony Richard Heinberg, New College of California, program of Culture, Ecology, and Sustainable Community, 2003 (The Party?s Over, p. 197-8) Regional rivalries and long-term -- Causes extinction Heinberg, core faculty member at New College of California, 9/27/2004 (http://www.energybulletin.net/2291.html) Last One Standing CONTENTION THREE- COMPETITIVENESS -- A renewable energy transition is happening globally?a new market will emerge in 10-20 years El-Ashry, CEO of the Global Environment Facility, 2001 (http://www.gefweb.org/Outreach/outreach-PUblications/New_Business_Renewable_Energy.pdf) Around the world, a transition -- The US is losing out on the renewables market worth billions of dollar to Germany and Japan?development of domestic industries is critical to international competitiveness Sawin, Greenpeace, 2002 (March, ?Climate Wise? http://www.greenbiz.com/news/columns_third.cfm?NewsID=20066) We are now falling farther -- US renewables dominance is critical to maintaining the American technological lead in the global economy Kammen, Professor of Energy and Society Director, Renewable and Appropriate Energy Laboratory (RAEL) Energy and Resources Group, 7/11/2001 (FDCH, lexis) In the last decade, the case -- US technological dominance is key to hegemony Khalilzad, 1995 (Washington Quarterly, lexis) The United States is unlikely -- The impact is global nuclear war Zalmay Khalilzad, RAND, The Washington Quarterly, Spring 1995 Under the third option, the United States CONTENTION FOUR- SOLVENCY -- An upstream tradable carbon system allows a reduction is fossil fuel use that effects all levels of the US economy and costs less than any other approach Nordhaus and Danish, Pew Center for Climate Change, 2003 (?Designing a Mandatory Greenhouse Gas Reduction Program for the U.S.?, March, http://www.pewclimate.org/docUploads/USGas%2Epdf) Upstream Cap-and-Trade -- Reducing emissions levels to 1990 levels by 2012 would pave the way for aggressive reductions in CO2 Krupp, President of Environmental Defense, 2003 (1/8, FDCH) Targets and Timetables. -- Emissions trading gives businesses the incentive to invest in new technologies that curb emissions- a domestic scheme would help jumpstart the movement to a stop climate change globally Browne, Group Chief Exec. Of BP, 2004 (John, Foreign Affairs, July/August, lexis) The role of business is to transform -- Emissions trading enhances environmental goals?garners support for reductions below the cuts, causes innovation and gathers information necessary to solve future environmental problems Ellerman, Joskow, and Harrison, MIT and National Economics Research Associates, 2003 (?Emissions Trading in the U.S.?, May, www.pewclimate.org) The use of emissions trading has enhanced -- US leadership is critical?causes other countries to change their CO2 emissions Roberts, Harper's Magazine, Finalist for the National Magazine Award, 2004 (Paul, The End of Oil: A Perilous New World, p. 14-5) By necessity, much of this book will focus -- State regulations make businesses uneasy- federal regulation is key New York Times, 2004 (7/5) Federal legislation must POLITICS Plan solves backlash and increase leverage - Lane, 2003, September, "Allowance Allocation Under a Carbon Cap and Trade Policy www.cpc-inc.org The primary political...politically viable option Plan is Bipart - Black and Pierce, 1993 (93 Colum. L. Rev. 1341) Scholars have long understood...electric power generation Plan is a win LA Times 7/25/02 At a first step, Bush...by suprising us Winners Win - Orstein 93 Tort Reform Won't pass - Boston Globe 1/11/05 He's spent the months...professionals and corporations Democrats will block tort reform - NYT 12/20/'4 Democrats say they still...malpractice damage awards Plans an O/B to the dems Guardian 2004 (11/10) America's well funded green...for White House action TOPICALITY W/M c/a Norhaus and Danish - upstream limits the availability More ev - Hargrave, 1998 ("US Carbon Emissions Trading", March, www.ccap.org The same dynamic...from fossil fuel producers Emission lmits require a reduction in consumption of fossil fuels Bohringer and Welsh, 2000 www.upmf-grenoble.fr/iepe/techmeet/TMtext/ZEW.pdf The domestic policy...for REC and low for PAO CI Energy Policy is Emissions Reduction Power Center on Global Climate Change, 2001 (www.pewclimate.org/policy_center/policy_reports_and_analysis/brief_us_domestic_response/program_intro.cfm) Climate change is...GHG emissions reductions Requiring is a cap Boston College Environmental Affairs Law Review, 1993 (20 B.C. Envtl. Aff. L. Rev. 1) Sullivan, supra note 191...to 1950 tons per day COUNTERPLAN DA Auction revenues goes to defecit reduction Cramton, 2k2 Energy Policy 30, 333-345 Ballard, Shover and Whalley...reduce the deficit Kills the Economy The Economist, 11/8/03 The economic consequences are...No Ronald Reagan We can get HE3 from the moon www.space.com/scienceastronomy/Helium3_000630.html researchers and space...something to trade Space Militarization won't fuel crises Lambakis, 2001 (Policy Review, Feb March, pg 410 Space Key to Heg, Miller, 2002 National Review 7/15/2002 vol. LIV no 13 In addition toan assorment..dominate earth Space Milit Inevitable Bell, 1999 www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/awcgate.htm China and Russia Both are creating anti-space Blank, 2000 7/19/2000 Berkely aff v. Northwestern (Round 5) 1AC Same as wake Case Book 2AC Topicality: 1. we meet - our requirement starts immediately 2. you still get perception links 3. specification prevents aff conditionality 4. its normal means 5. c-i: 2012 is the only predictable cap 6. its whats in the literature 7. we meet normal means 8. no abuse in this debate 9. plan is contextually defined as requirement 10. contextual definitions key to predictability 11. don't vote on potential abuse Natural Gas DA Seasonal variations take out price volatility impact Public Utilities Fortnightly, 11-2004 "But the influence of the natural... ...other times of the year." Studies their ev is based on don't substantiate a link to the econ nor where they effectively conducted Public Utilities Fortnightly, 11-2004 "What micro questions should... ...pertinent question is, How much?" Upstream regulation doesn't encourage energy efficiency - even if it brings up costs slightly the system still will bring large savings Hargrave, March 1998, "U.S. Carbon Emissions Trading: Description of an Upstream Approach" www.ccap.org "There are several potential... ...requires further resolution." Renewable energy and energy efficiency programs result in decreased natural gas prices Energy Optimization News, 12/2003 "Another recent ACEEE study... ..these exemplary programs represent." Promoting nergy efficiency and renewable energy causes natural gas prices to plummet Energy Optimization News, 12/2003 "A new study by the American... ...could exceed $75 billion." POLITICS Agenda won't pass Washington Post 1/20/5 "Now, as he embarks... ...and legislative strategies." Tort won't pass Boston globe, 1/11/5 "He's spent the months... ...professionals and corporations." Democrats will block tort NYT, 12/20/4 "Democrats say they still... ...malpractice damage awards." Congressional Support for GHG regulations Guardian 11/10/4 l/n "Nevertheless, Eileen Claussen, the... ...better engage the US"." BW terrorist attack kills very few Orlando Sentinel, 9/11/2 "The scientist in Sanchez... ..in spreading fear." K Commodification good in context of plan - causes better enforcement and creates deeper societal norm against environmental harm Strahilevitz, Fall 2K, 75 Ind L.J. 1231 "As Michael Sandel correctly... ...Express Lanes cheaters." Plans artificial tradeable value can act as a proxy for deeper environmental concerns - it is the only way to make businesses act to stop emissions Corporation for Economic Development, 2004, www.cfed.org/focus.m?parentid=34&siteid=47&id=93 "Why do we have to.... ...for this to be the case." Permits resolve ecological conflicts and solve scarcity problems, promoting sustainability David Schmidtz, Environmental Ethics, 2k, p 379-408 "I will treat as basic... ...patterns of sustainable use." Perm solves - transformative projects can't ignore support for market based values - the alternative guarantees political marginalization David Schmidtz, Environmental Ethics, 2k, p 379-408 "To some extend a... ...environmentally benign ways." CP Ontario proves counterplan is functionally the squo Ontario Energy 2k4 "Alternative fuels in government fleet... ...clean sources of energy." DOE already providing support for renewables policy implementation Wind Energy Council 2k4 "The US Department of Energy's... ...PV (solar electric systems)." International Agreements - Plan key to international leadership and future agreements on climate Andrew Keeler, July, 2002, "Designing a Carbon Dioxide Trading System: The Advantages of Upstream Regulation" cpc-inc.org Compatability between a us program and international programs key to solvency Danish, 2003, "A Climate policy framework: balancing policy and politics." Pew Center on Climate Change. www.pewclimate.org "Promoting compatibility of a ... ...cooperation over the long-term." Cap and trade and subsidies solves Hsu, 2001, 14 Tul. Environmental L.J. 427 "In such a volatile legal and political... ...than princely sum." The perm has 4 net benefits Hsu, 2001, 14 Tul. Environmental L.J. 427 "Can we finally reverse... ...instruments need each other." Deficits Turn Counterplan doesn't auction revenues - that's key to deficit reduction Cramton, 2k2, Energy Policy, 30, 333-345 "Ballard, Shoven and Whalley... ..and reduce the deficit." Deficits kill economy The Economist, 11/8/3 "The economic consequences are indisputably... ...for the world economy. No Ronald Reagan." Bush and congress don't really support renewables - overall policy still focuses on fossil fuels - and theyre against supporting a new industry Denver Post 9/6/4 "At the conference this week... ....for the oil business Berkeley aff vs Dartmouth *AFF previously read + 1 New advantage(Blair) 2AC's AT SPEC Upstream is spec Infinitely regressive We specify allocation No ground loss No right to args Normal means, empirical Cx checks abuse PIC's bad No voter No resolutional basis AT CP [card] Perm - plan and additional regime Perm - Do both Doesn't solve Blair Can't solve case only says 'or' so can come from other things, shift and not cut PIC's bad We'll win CO2 cuts alone solve If they win cheaper, means they won't cut CO2 CO2 is the root cause of warming Regulatory Uncertainty bad Carbon sinks are overloaded now - increasing amounts of CO2 will cause sinks to die fof rapidly increasing warming - causes extinction August Edwards '01 http://www.medialens.org/articles_2001/de_number_one.html "Evidence for Shantideva's assertion is all around us. Climate scientists are now warning..." AT DA - chemical Recycling solves No impact to high prices of N.G. oil will peak Turns - Insurance companies Oil Shift from oil Peak, postdates Depletion now high price leads to war No stable regulatory climate NG peak in short term Warming Co2 is critical Our EV better It is a potent gas Warming will be fast Below 1990n levels by 2012 would prave the way for aggressive reductions and generates Kyoto credibility Krupp 03 (1/8 FDCH) "Target and Timetables. AS mentioned above..." 1990 is a key baseline Krupp again "The importance of the 1990 baseline..." Turns: A The plan is critical to international leadership and future agreements on climate change Andrew Keeler 02 cpe-inc.org "Designing a Carbon Dioxide Trading system: The advantages of upstream regulation," B. Compatibility between a US program and international programs is key to solvency- a divergent program will short circuit long term climate negotiations needed to solve the case Danish 03 www.pewclimate.org "A Climate plicy framework:balancing policy and politics" - "promoting compataibility of a US climate program with programs in other countries is critical..." Competitiveness Can't compete Renewables will be a bigger market Lack of us ghg commitment will cripple the insurance industry - dwarfs the energy industry in economic importance Fontaine and Frankenthaler '02 Risk & Insurance, 12/1, lexis "AS a result of the us's withdrawal from Kyoto, global efforts..." Emissions trading solves insurance industry losses Fontaine and Frankenthaler '02 Risk & Insurance, 12/1, lexis "The world is on the cusp of enormous challenges..." 2005 US growth will not hit its target causing a slowdown in the global economy John Makin 1-21 http://www.aei.org/publicatins/pubID.21826/pub_detail.asp "A look at historical data suggests about a 2.4-percent growth outlook for the U.S. economy in 2005..." Auctioning causes revenue recycling- solves the conomic impact Energy Journal 6/1/04 "A further potential benefit to the US econmy from using auctioned permits..." Cuts boost growth- multiple studies prove initial cuts 10percent below 1990 levels wouldn't injure the economy Howard Geller '98 Federal News Service, "Reducing Greenhouse Gas Emissions Can Benefit the economy. A strong commitment to cut U.S. emissions of carbon dioxide" Regulatory uncertainty delays investment in new technology plan's key to save the economy Stewart and Wiener 03 http://www.aei.org/docLib/20040218_book211.pdf "U.S. accession to a global greenhouse gas regulatory regime..." Upstream regulation doesn't encourage energy efficiency - even if it brings up costs slightly the system still will bring large savings Hargrave, '98 www.ccap.org "U.S. Carbon Emissions Trading: Description of an Upstream Approach" quote: "there are several potential drawbacks to an upstream approach." Blair - New Advantage We solve the reason for this debate Blair is pushing now, will get credit Critical to turkey Warming could be a creitical concessin to solve iraq Terroirism. They can easily get these weapons The 2005 election is set for may - the question is whether blair will have the majority he needs to secure support domestically FT, 12/28/2004 "Britain will go to the polls in 2005. Of that, there is not the slightest doubt." Resolving the peace process is key to stopping terrorism Russert, Tim '04 CNBC News Transcripts, 11/12 "So along comes Tony Blair and says..." Terrorism risks extinction Yonah Alexander '03 Washington Times 8/28 " Last week's brutal suicide bombins in Baghdad and Jerusalem have once again illustrated dramatically that the..." Absent terrorism middle ease conflict will make nuclear war inevitable Steinbach '02 http://www.wagingpeace.org/articles/02.03/0331steinbachisraeli.htm "Meanwhile, the existence of an arsenal of mass destruction in such an unstable region..." The EU is in the process of discussing Turkish accession - blair has been the key power broker that has kept negotiations going The independent 12/18/2004 "Tony Blair was involved in nearly all the negotiations between clusters of leaders..." Talks for Turkish accession will start with the british presidency of the EU - giving blair a unique opportunity for influence Press Association, 12/16/2004 "Mr. Blair has always backed continued EU expansin, and has vowed to get Turkey in..." Integrating Turkey into Europe is critical for Wrold Peace - isolation makes war inevitable Hugg-McAulay [23 Fordham Int/l L.J. 606] "The Middle East was dominated by the Arab-Israeli conflict in this century, but..." Also, rejection undermines Turkish/European relations - destroys the ability of the west to contain Russian instability Hugg-Mcaulay (above) "Presently, three mammoth countries must be considered Europe's 'big outsiders' - Russia, Turkey , and Ukraine..." DARTMOUTH DARTMOUTH CS (Aff) v. EMORY GP 1AC - SAME AS PREVIOUS OCVs 2AC AT TDP CP Perm do both TDP won't solve the peak Savinar The Oil Age is Over: What to expect... '4 TDP doesn't solve - oil running out means less waste for the TDP process Heinberg 5/03 www.museletter.com/archive/135.html "The April issue of Discover... overall net energy availability" Federal Government will preempt state regulations Giovinazzo 3 30 Ecology L.Q. 893 "Before it takes effect, however... as preempted by federal law" Federal government will rollback state efforts absent the plan - Jaegar 5/24/4 "There are desirable circumstances from the perspective... succumb to pressure to regulate" 50 state fiat illegit (a) Uniform action not in the lit (b) Object fiat ? Doesn't address the federal action issue (d) Enforcement can't be fiated (e) voting issue Links to politics TDP = drop in the bucket Money 7/03 p.92 Ebsco "Whether TDP turns out to be a niche technology or an actual..." AT Global/Local Localist environmental alternatives guarantee increased resource exploitation. We cannot escape the need for regulation in order to deal with global environmental issues. Taylor Beneath the Surface ed. Katz 2K p.282 Localist approaches to the enviroment are exclusionary Harvey 99 Global Ethics and Environment ed/ Low p.124 Global institutional change key Low 99 same cite p.1 Decentralized local alternatives for environmental policy fail Taylor 99 p.283-284 Local environmental communities would wage wars over communal identity Taylor p.281 AT Fossil Fuels = Plural Only 6 cases We regulate oil shale Do the research Not bidirectional FF just one of 3 SS One of 3 XX WM - decrease all in transport sector Total defines scope - justifies whole res A reduction not the reduction - W&P 64 Never research all the DAs PICs Link turns standards - PICs worse Lots of neg ground Substantial sufficient AT T Require a Cap Same as other T Energy Policy - Transportation CNN '4 Plan = total oil for 25% - no alt means we require Not whole res A vs. the from other T Reduction even if switching - less than otherwise Cars Not a VI Reduction in consumption permits specification XX Reduction in consumption permits specification More specific debates AT Budget DA No ev enforce leadership over deficit No internal link to perception Deficit at record levels Plan stimulates the economy just like a tax cut Lovins '4 Plan not impose new administrative costs XX Economy failing now XX No foreign investor pullout XX Class Action Politics DA Immigration reform drains PC killing agenda XX No PC - democratic opposition XX No spillover - Jones 2K Internal link about torn reform - different bills Spending PC on energy now - momentum No Class Action reform XX Dispersal issues limit CBW attack XX CBW impact bad - US only one to have those weapons Anthrax disproves dispersal PC insufficient for agenda XX US-Europe Relations (Iran) DA Links to CP - link assumes reduction Relations high now - not increase over others US-EU key to solve terror US has given up on trying to get Europe to go hardline on Iran US can't convince allies on Iran US and Europe no coop on Iran Round 4 - Dartmouth Aff v. Wake Neg 1AC Listed below are the new cards for the feebates aff - cards on oil peak were the same Japan taking over auto sector - failure to act kills auto competitiveness CNN, 9-20-4. www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/09/20/big.cars.tm/ "So far, Japanese... ...for political leadership." Failure to improve auto efficiency will cause us to fall behind Amory Lovins, 2004. Winning the Oil Endgame. P 136-7. "With such competition looming... ... regulatory and price environment." Enviro regs spur innovation, increasing productivity and competitiveness Michael E. Porter and Claas van der Linde, 1995. Journal of Economic Perspectives. Vol 9 Issues 4 EBSCO "Our central message is that... ... actually enhance competitiveness." Market forces don't solve fast enough Amory Lovins, 2004. Winning the Oil Endgame. P 166 "The market will ultimately... ...wiat for business-as-usual." SUVs won't solve auto industry competitiveness Amory Lovins, 2004. Winning the Oil Endgame. P 138 "In The Innovator's Dilemma, Harvard... ...the cheapest commodity watches." Efficient cars solve up-front costs Amory Lovins, 1999. Natural Capitalism, Creating the Next Industrial Revolution. P. 114 "Actual engineering practice, however... ...original, unimproved versions." Transport tech is key to economic growth Amory Lovins, 2004. Winning the Oil Endgame. P 159-60 "Technological advances are... ...kind of wealth creation." US competitivness key to world economy Candace Howes and Ajit Singh, 2000, Competitiveness Matters. P. 17 "The main thesis of this... ...and the world economies." US key to world economy, germany and japan can't fill in The Independent, 9/16/4, http://news.independent.co.uk/business/comment/story.jsp?story=562217 "The starting point has... ..be in grave trouble." Econ decline causes war Business world, 9/10/98, l/n. "What would it be like... ..its ways internationally" Competitiveness key to global leadership Zalmay Khalilzad, Spring 95. Washington Quarterly, Vol 18 No 2 academic universe "The United States is unlikely... ..raise the savings rate" Leadership solves global nuclear exchange Zalmay Khalilzad, Spring 95. Washington Quarterly, Vol 18 No 2 "Under the third option... ...balance of power system" PLAN The United States Congress should establish an energy policy requiring a 25 percent reduction of total non-governmental oil consumption in the United States over 15 years, implemented through a system of vehicle feebates. Solvency Feebates key to continuous efficiency improvements - help car companies and consumers Amory Lovins, 2004. Winning the Oil Endgame. P 188 "The centerpiece of our... ..difference to our findings." Feebates don't hurt auto profis Automotive News, 4/4/96, l/n. "Fuel-economy-based fees and rebates... ...revenue-neutral system." Plan solves auto competitiveness, trucking, jobs, and economic stimulus Amory Lovins, 2004. Winning the Oil Endgame. P 127-8 "Imagine a revitalized and globally... ...to meet national needs." Automotive efficiency can cut oil consumption in half CNN, 9-20-4. www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/09/20/big.cars.tm/ "Lovins, [Rocky Mountain... ...wasted two decades." Enhanced vechile efficiency can provide substantial overall reductions, even after accounting for junker and rebound effects David L. Greene and Andreas Schafer, 5/3 "Reducing Greenhouse Gas Emissions from U.S. Transportation." www.pewclimate.org/document.cfm?documentID=212, p. iv "Because the energy efficiency... ...lowered by efficiency gains." RD 4 - Dartmouth AFF - VS. Harvard Current attempt to increase automobile fuel efficiency are doomed to failure because they don't take into a c count industry and union support Schellenbberger and Nordhaus, 1/15/'5 (www.grist.org/news/maindish/2005/01/13/doe-reprint/ Given CAF?'s initial...for alliance building ADV EV same as Feebates The US Congress should establish and energy policy requiring the executive branch to reduce total nongovernmental oil consumption by 25 percent within 15 years. The executive branch should engage in binding regulatory negotiations to determine implementation. Parties will have no more than one year to negotiate. Reg Neg key to effective fossil fuel reduction - solves controversial issues and democracy Sharma, 98 (12 Emory Int'l L. Rev. 1215 The same arguments that led...nature of U.S. democracy. Forging coalitions between environmentalists and industry is the only way to solve Schellenbberger and Nordhaus, 1/15/'5 (www.grist.org/news/maindish/2005/01/13/doe-reprint/ The marriage betwe vision...and "the environment." Isolating economic arguments in support of the plan key to build broad coalitions and political support Schellenbberger and Nordhaus, 1/15/'5 (www.grist.org/news/maindish/2005/01/13/doe-reprint/ "Global warming is an apt...out of their "issue" boxes. Reg Neg key to break down adversalialism Mee, 97 (25 B.C. Envtl. L. Rev. 213 Benefits that accure...improve future interactions Reg Neg key to cost effective solution Weber, 98 (Pluralism by the rules: conflict and cooperation in environmental regulation, p 222-23) Process costs...with environmental results Reg Neg key to innovation Porter and van der Linde, 95 (Journal of Economic Perspectives, Vol. 9 Issue 4, ebsco) Coordination of environmental...than adopt incremental solutions Reg Neg solves vehicles Karamanos, '1, Journal of Environmental Planning and Management; Vol. 44 Issue 1, p67, EBSCO In the USA, the...and other groups Auto efficiency can cut oil consumption in half CNN, 9/20/'4 www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/09/20/big.cars.tm Lovins, who has been...wasted two decades Decreasing consumption can smooth transition from oil Roberts, 04 pg. 14 Congress can place requirements on agencies and leave to to decide Harter, 82, 71 Geo. L.J. 1 @ 12-13 Changes also occurred on the...by New Neal model. COUNTERPLAN Fundamental Values shouldn't be negotiated Harter, '82, 71 Geo. L. J. 1 @ 49050 Competing interests cannot...individual regulations Reg Neg Can only solve through a threat of command and control Richard B. Stewart, '1 (Cap. U.L. Rev. 21, ln) Environmental agreements are...into an agreement Deadlines Key to Reg neg, Cichetti, 96, Administrative Law Journal, Winter Negotiated rulemaking is an...within these criteria Deadlines are the most important fact to reg neg Maida, Mediating Environmental Conflicts, pg 47-48 Deadlines key to move negotiations - Mee, 97, 25 B.C. Envtl. Aff. L. Rev. 213 The Reg-Neg Act...limited Time period Deadline key to motivate participants Edward Weber, 98, Pluralism by the rules, pg 11 RUSSIA Russia Economy Declining Despite High Oil prices World Market Analysis, 1/11/'5 The Oil Sector has been...banking sector reform High Oil Prices Not Key to the Economy UPI 10/29/01 Though many link...will be created High Oil prices cause econ collapse t/ ruble appreciation Russia Business Monitor 10/27/'4 Ruble has been...multimillion losses EMORY Rd.1 Emory GP aff v. Cal NW AFF Report 1AC - Nuke power Inherency Use of domestic nuclear power declining Michael driscoll, ADV. 1 - economy A. brownouts Nuclear power solves brown-outs that will derail the economy. Bernard L. Cohen, Professor of Physics at the University of Pittsburgh, 1990 [The Nuclear Energy Option, [ http://home.pacbell.net/sabsay/nuclear/index.html ]http://home.pacbell.net/sabsay/nuclear/index.html] --Last, but far from least, of the new developments is a growing need for more electricity-generating capacity. Our expanding population and production -- US Economic collapse causes war. Walter Russel Mead, 8/29/98 [The Record, "Markets are biggest threat to World Peace"] Nuclear power is critical to the stability of the energy grid Fertel, Senior Vice President of the Nuclear Energy Institute, 2004 (Marvin, Utility Fleet Management, Vol 23, issue 3, Project Muse) Nuclear plants provide voltage support because reactor operators can raise or lower power levels as -- And, the energy grid could not function without nuclear baseload generation NEI 2004 (September, http://www.nei.org/index.asp?catnum=3&catid=1256) -- Electricity drives the U.S. economy and is an integral part of our daily lives. It is critical to our major -- Black Outs will permanently cripple the US economy United Press International, 8/18/03 g the blackout would last, what caused it, whether it was terrorist induced or accidental failure and how widespread it would be. In the end, Bush would learn it was the largest electric blackout ever. Though apparently not caused by terrorism, in the span C. Price Shocks -- Over reliance on any one energy source like Natural Gas will cause price shocks due to supply disruptions - Nuclear Power is critical to solve Fertel, Senior Vice President and Chief Nuclear Officer @ the Nuclear Energy Institute, 2004 (Marvin. S, Congressional testimony FDCH, march 4, "Nuclear Power Generation") -- New nuclear plants will be essential in the years ahead to achieve a number of critically important -- Limited Natural Gas resources cause price shocks and act as a brake on economic growth. Foster Natural Gas Report March 27, 2003 Parker referred to a number of "reasonable and practical options." First, and most importantly, new frontiers within the United States must be found. Further growth in production from this resource base is jeopardized by limitations currently placed on access to it. The -- Nuclear Power is the most reliable electricity source NEI 2004 (September, http://www.nei.org/index.asp?catnum=3&catid=1256) -- Global nuclear war (Steinbach 02, Centre for research on globalization, "Israeli Weapons of Mass Destruction: A Threat to Peace" "The Israeli nuclear arsenal....could trigger a world conflagration" 8. Mideast war escalates to global nuclear war (Taylor 01 "Proliferation of nuclear weapons" www.globalcommunity.org/breakthrough/books/pdfs/taylor.pdf "Limited nuclear wars between....into a global nuclear war." 2AC's Water Wars 1. Solve Domestic Ag 2. Alt Cause wrong 3. Most likely scenario for war 4. Irrigation uses lots of water Backstopping 1. No evid we'll stop transition 2. No evid OPEC can flood 3. OPEC c/n increase capacity 4. NL: to Caspian Arg 5. No Threshold Ag Advantage 1. Biodeisel just an additive 2. Biodeisel not subject to spikes 3. Evid assumes Kyoto 4. Ag not sustainable now WTO 1. A decine in the farm exonomy will spill over to the broader exonomy and create a backlash against trade liberalization (Francl 1998 Am Farm Bureau Fed, www.heartland.org/pdf/gwag-study.PDF) 2. AT : Fek, Their author concludes in the enxt paragraph that regulations SPUR competitiveness (Feketekuty 93 " In practice, there is ...in environmental goods and services") 3. Doha is on the brink, only US leadership on reversing domestic hypocrisy can prevent the collapse of multilateral trade regime (Oxfam 2004, "one minute to midnight" Briefing Paper "Almost three years after.....which benefits all countries" T require Couter interpr- aff just has to be large chunk of the whole A: A means one when before a singular noun, like "reduction", which doesn't have an 's' (Merriam Websters 04) B: In means within in -we only have to take a chunk from the whole (American Heritage 00) C: For their interpretation to make sense it would have to say 'throughout', not 'in' D: Only our interpration is correct, in can only be a preposition, because the sentence has an object 'consumption" (websters 96, dict.com) E: When 'in ' is a preposition and comes before a nound, like 'the consumption' it means within a PART of the whole (Websters 99 dict. Com) Biz Con 1. Small Farms K to Econ 2. Rural Econ K to US Econ (Atkinson 04 )3 All assume Kyoto 4. Businesses like the plan, they see it has an opportunity to jockey for profits (Zywicki 1999 "Environmental Externalities" Tul L Rev 845 "business is becoming ever more...structure of environmental regulation" 5. Biz con decline now (Bos Herald 04) Business forecast not strong (International Herald Tribune, 2004)6. Environ Reg now, diesel and brownfields (Washington Post 10-19, James L Connaughton: this is ....no conflict, no story"7. USDA passing new regs on deer farms now-requires farmers (McCoy, 12-24-04 Charleston Gazette "According to DNR records....to meet those requirements") Aspec 1. We spec 2. No evid USDA w/n do 4.... 5. Aspec Bad 6. No voter Oil w/ peak on thanksG (Deffeyes 2004 "Juoin us as we watch the crisis unfolding" www. Princeton.edu/bubbert/current-events-01-16-04.htm "At the end of December....of the 1906 earthquake" Ending FF in Ag would transition to sustainable Ag (Youngquist 99, "The post petroleum paradigm" Population and Environment "When one examines...bby any other energy source" 1. NORTHWESTERN RD.2 - northwestern BM v. Wake CH Aff report 1ac American debates about energy have reached a state of catastrophic closure - short term political and economic debates have mad a sustainable energy policy unthinkable. The result is choking the life our of democracy and the planet Brian oleary, 2k1 (http://home.independence.net) Unfortunately, in the eyes of the mass media, discussion about ending pollution Treating the symptom and not the source is the defining theme of this arrangement. Precautionary requirements for sustainability have been squelched in a barrage of technological and economic fixes that license unlimited consumption and ecological eradication. Gary bryner, 2k2 (73U.colo.l.rev.341) A cautious, conservative, ethically defensible PP stands for democratic justice - refusal to give primacy to this commitment provides a pitiful response to the most fundamental question of our time - failure of restraint = atrocity on a grand scale Low and Gleeson, 98 (justice, society, and nature: an exploration of political ecology) 25-8 What are the implication of this escape? Accelerated consumptive economy ensures war for fossil fuels Robert freeman, 3-1-4 (commondreams.org/views04/0301-12.htm) America has its own hand in a coconut We ask you to affirm that: the United states federal government should sue the precautionary principle as the criteria for formulating and implementing regulations on the non-governmental consumption of fossil fuels in the united states such that precautionary measure apply even if some cause and effect relationships proving harm to present or future human and non-human communities can not be established scientifically. Cont. 2 - precaution is a principle Voting for the plan is a normative endorsement of a new ethical vision of energy policy. Reducing the debate to a programmatic assessment of the economic and political barriers to the principle erases the most important role for decisionmaking and guarantees the termination of the planet Joel kassiola, 2k4 (environmental values 12:4, p 489-5-14 In opposition to this view of callicotts Success of energy imagination depends on inclusion of the principle it's the best method for initiating ecological restraint and democratic inclusion in decisionmaking Robyn eckersley, april '4 (the green state: rethinking democracy and sovereignty) 134-8 In cases of scientific uncertainty The principle best challenges ecologcail eradication and the economic and technological forces which ensure it Jordan and O'Riordan, the pp in contemporary environmental policy and politics, 1998, www.johnsonfdn.org/conferences/precautionary/jord.html, safeguarding ecological space the pp.. .alters the sq.. .tide of the times principle imposes a binding requirement for reduction - our ev. References the most cited application of the principle phillippe sands, 94 (1 ind.j.global leg. Stud. 293) there is no uniform understanding principle doesn't close down tech debate - it makes it possible by taking control out of the market - it drives public value driven energy decisionmaking carloyn raffensperger, 9-1-4 (multinational monitor, 9:25) the second mode of implementation 2AC - T require plan is a binding requirement for continuous reduction - german emission context proves isable rauch, 2K (11 fordham envtl.law j.307) an emissions trading statue may violate specific environmental laws including principle requires binding GHG caps michael weisslitz, 2k2 (13 colo.j.int'l envtl.l.& pol'y 473) whereas a great deal of the rationale counter-interpretation: requirements do not have to be command and control, but must force a change in behavior peterson, 2K (www.bcest.bc.ca/decisions/2000/d498_00.pdf) an employer must not require an employee structural restrictions preserve ground policy means principle blacks law dictionary 99 (p.1179) no case meets - no policy in literature advocates mandiating a broad cut 2ac - case cards Util makes extinction inevitable Fricker, 2k2 (the ethics of enough - futures 34 p.430-33 The hard/soft, individual/collective Util calculation break down in crises - manipulated to justify infinite atrocity Kateb, 92 (the inner ocean) 10-11 I do not mean to take Cost-benefit analysis is the root of eradication of nature and worst form of violence - it authorizes ethics free corporate primacy in the name of objectivity Plumwood, 2k2 (environmental culture: the ecological crisis of reason) 41-5 Modern scientific knowledge prepares itself Loss of ecological democracy causes global atrocity and termination of planet Moore, 2k2 (democracy: a vision of the earth) www.rmpjc.org Is it the case that denial of self-rule is a Embrace of scientific and economic justifications in defense of inequitable consumptive commitments embodies a more structural exclusion of ethical and environmental considerations in decision making processes. These faulty prioritizations cannot help but authorize the total exclusion of nature Plumwood, 2k2 (environmental culture: the ecological crisis of reason) 15-21 In the stampede to apply the abstract Imagination of a fossil fuel free future can break the bonds of dependence break the addiction to avoid the sacrifice of the plant Tooker gomberg, 12-8-3 www.greenspiration.org What about climate change? 2ac biz con economic savings from breaking FF addiction will swamp the transition cost verweij, 4-03 (www.mpp-rdg.mpg.de) combating climate change will certainly CO2 regulations are inevitable Global power report, 10-28-04 A majority of executives at power Northwestern Aff vs Emory Rd 4 1AC same T - require 1. plan is the most expansive form of the PP, 1Ac evidence 2. Fossil fuel consumption can't pass the test 1AC ev 3. FF consumption can't pass GHG test 4. plan = binding requirement for reduction -x 5. still get core ff arguments 6. contextual ev solves their ground args 7. offense/defense = arbitrary neg interps and distinctions 8. policy = principle 9. only finite principles, infinite policies 10. no lit for a broad based cut 11. require = force change 12. not extra T we focus all on FF ASPEC 1. rez just says USFG 2. rez basis is crucial, predictability is the prereq to any of their ground args 3. minute details are bad, ev from 1AC, reject technical decisionmaking 4. normal means checks 5. we have stable advocacy, not conditional 6. 1AC birner ev says we can still call for the USFG to act 7. CX checks - a baseline for neg links 8. neg can pick different agent every week 9. procedural focus eliminates public sphere Eckersley '2 Consult EU 1. EU version of the PP excludes non human communities which prevents true democracy ---x 2. no net benefit, no evidence that consult on plan key to alliance 3. ev doesn't say one issue consult 4. empirically denied-cooperation on env has empirically led to war on environment 5. Perm: do plan and consult on unspecified issue a. breaks CP into two logical parts consult and do plan b. forces them to have specific links 6. consult cps bad- infinite different countries 7. disads solve their offense 8. it's a PIC steals aff 9. artificial comp, not reason to reject plan 10. dispo kills 2AC decisionmaking Case Util args 1. castigola evidence contextualizes our ethical stance, not absolutism 2. their framework makes possible the economic technicism that's bad 3. util makes extinction inevitable Fricker 2K2 "The ethics of enough" futures 34 2002 430-33 4. we don't eliminate consequences but just changes the way you evaluate them 5. util justifies infinite atrocity Kateb Some 2AC cards Role of the ballot is an ethical choice of ecological principles, prior role to evaluating neg's args the alt is global eradication Kassiola, 2K3 Joel "can environmental ethics 'solve' environmental problems and save the world? Yes but first we must recognize the essential normative nature of environmental problems" Environmental Values 12 489-514 Making normative environmentalism the primary framework is key to stave off termination of planet Kassiola 2k3 above p. 489-514 Ethical considerations precede policy and technical disads-framework is only way to avoid decisionmaking slavery Gillroy and Bowersox 2K2 John Martin and Joe The moral austerity of environmental decisionmaking p. 19-22 Principle doesn't close down debate Raffensperger 2k4 9/1no. 9 vol 25 pg. 26 multinational monitor "precautionary precepts" "the second mode...precautionary principle" Northwestern AFF v Dartmouth Rd 6 *Precautionary AFF previously read Dartmouth ran T-Require, Vagueness, CP - , DA and Framework on PP 2AC's AT Counterplan Not Textually Competitive AT DA turns Fossil fuel addiction requires kicking the habbit Ensures democratic decision making Logic of disad justifies historical atrocities Neg - industry propoganda AT Framework We control the uniqueness Prime barier is ignoring normative impacts All or nothing Undemocratic tech bad - reject their framework [get Beckman 2K, Rotherberger 93, Kaufman X, Baslinger 96, Koslan 2K, AT CP/DA Making normative environmentalism the primary framework is key to stave off termination of the planet Joel Kassiola 2K3 Environmental Values, 12, 489-514 ' The aim of this assay, therefore, is to examine Dickson's analysis of the foundation environmental ethics/ environmental problem relation." AT Vagueness Impact makes inevitable We pick specific PP Infinitely regressive The principle is a comprehensive directive for action - principles are the foundation of legal decisionmaking - due process and rule of law prove David Dana, 2K3, Nw. U.L. Rev. 1315 "The essence of the indeterminacy critique is that the precautionary principle is so vague as to be meaningless." Principle's vagueness doesn't mean its not a legal mechanism of requirement Dobos 2K3 [13 Fordham Envtl. Law J. 375] "Opponents of the precautionary principle may argue that its vagueness precludes its useful peration, as illustrated in the Beef Hormones case" AT T Require Sweeping action Binding requirement Reasonable No case meets Principle demands binding GHG caps to force shift away from fossil fuels Michael Weisslitz 2K3 [13 Colo. JU. Int'l envitl. L. & Pol'y 473] "Whereas a great deal of the rationale underlying the need for differential standars in any GHG regime focuses on the need to ensure the continued growth of the economies of developing states, little attention has been paid to the direction in which these economies will grow if no binding and uniform GHG..." AT CP Renewables doesn't access the case - corporate monopoly and consumptive eradication is ensured absent explicit mandate for the plan Cromwell 2k3 http://uuhome.de/global/english/WTO037.html "In their 1996 book "Who Owns the Sun?", solar energy..." Fossil Fuel dependent hydrogen defeats the whole point of a hydrogen economy - successful hydrogen transition requires we avoid fossil fuel reliance King 2k4 http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200304/cmselect/cmenvaud/490/4033005.htm "It seems to me that that is to miss the whole point of the hydrogen fuel economy. " PP ensures democratic and effective decisionmaking alternative is corporate planetary eradication Multinational Monitor - 2K4 [September 1, No. 9, Vol. 25;pg. 5] "the industrial age's experience..." PP doesn't close downthebate, it makes it possible... Raffensperger 2K4 Multinational monitor No. 9, vol 25 pg 26 "the second mode of implementation is to reverse the burden of prrof..." This argument is industry propoganda Raffensperger... "The other industry argument is always a specious one..." Fossil fuel consumption is an addiction - transition requires kicking the habit Kliejunas 2K1 http://www.redefiningprogress.org/media/opeds/2001may_energy.html "No one would consider hiring drug dealers to create a recovery program for drug addicts." Allowing any exemption to our challenge to consumption sanctions all of consumption's ecological and relational violence - reaccesses the whole case Kaza 2K Buddhist-Chrisitan Studies 20, 23-42 "The Consumer class is clearly responsible for most of the environmental impacts" The counterplan negates the universal reach of the pp = it negates the necessity of .... Verhoog '96 http://www.bandlands.com/earth/chearth/gmreport21.html "what are my arguments why we ought to strive after this integration?" WAKE FOREST AFF Wake Forest - RD 1 VS HARVARD 1AC Warming US Refusal to accept C02 cuts means warming will increase rapidly Ethier, 9/12/02 www.interventionmarg.com/cms/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=177 Warming Is Anthropgenic, fast, leads to climate bad shitt Gelbspan, 2004 (Boiling Point, p. 24-32) The argument was first...the card's we've been dealt) Warming Hurting Biodiversity, Ross Gelbspan, environmental editor at Washington Post, 2004 (Boiling Pont, p. 33-36) Although the disappearance of the.. by 2050 Biod stops Human Extinction California Academy of Sciences, lost modified 8/21/'4 (www.calacademy.org/research/library/biodiv.htm) Currently, more than... survival as a species Competitiveness Lack of carbon regulations shuts the US out of the renewables market - German and Japan are pulling ahead Time, July 16, 2001, ln As the global market.. than 25[cents] a kw-h Lack of US national trading market collapses competitiveness-allows Europe and Asia to take a huge lead Ricardo, Bayon, New American Foundation Fellow, sept 22, 2002 (World Policy Journal, ln) Finally, and perhaps most...their emission Renewable Energy Key to competitiveness and leadership Kammen, 7/11/2002 (fns, congressional testimony) As a nation we are ignoring...in this vital area Tech key to US Heg Khalilzad, 95 (WQ) The United State is unlikely..the savings rate Nux War Khalilzad 95 CO-Op Failure to act crushes all US Legit and International Co-op Ikenberry and Kupchan, Fall 2004 (Liberal Realism: The Foundations of A Democratic Foreign Policy, The National Interests, Incorrectly dated on Lexis as Summer 2004) p lexis Contemporary national security...emissions of greenhouse gases Impact-WOMD Terrorism Jerusalem Post, 5/12/2004, p. 6, l/n SOLVENCy Domestic Trading with a firm cap reduces emissions without cost Browne, 2004, July/August www.foreignaffairs.org/20040701faessay83404/john-browne/beyond-kyoto.html?mode=print Plan Spurs renewable development and saves the economy Podesta, 2003 (Foreign Affairs, ln) A dozen years later...change in the economy Permit solves better than the market alone creates a huge boom in the renewable industry Gregg Easterbrook, collumist for The New Republic, 11/8/99 (TNR, ln) An example of a successful...no greenhouse emissions Cutting to 30 or 40 Is necessary to spur renewables Business Week, August 30, 2004 (ln) Indeed, ther is suprising...carbon emission future Plan Leads to International Trading Fred Krupp, 2002 www.aspeninstiute.org/aspeninstitute/files/Img/KruppEEEClimate.pdf The Kyoto protocal, the Boom Agreement...society tackles this threat AT China Only US plan can solve middleastern instability and War with US Ga Luft, 2004 (LAT, ln) Sixty-seven years ago...allegiance of its own people China energy needs is the rootcase of the aggressiveness Kane, Fall 01 (Parameters, Proquest) To summarize, China's resource needs...acting as they do) High Prices Crush Chinas economy Kan, Fall 01 (Parameters, Proquest) In the early 21st century, China's shortage...China's economic growth MPX War Kan, Fall 01 (Parameters, Proquest) Despite China's Problems with...attacking adjacent countries AT CP Doesn't solve for developing countries Perm do both PICS bad C.C Crash the economy. Temple, JD candiate, 2002 (28 Brooklyn J. Int'l L. 213) Command-and-control regulations...trading system work Command and Control decrease the environment and the economy. Richard Stewart, Spring 1992 (19 B.C. Envtl. Aff. L. Rev. 547) The command-and-control approach often is...circumstances or obsolescent It Backfires - Systemic Fragility Results - incentives solve CS Holling and Gary K. Mefe, April 1996, p 328-37 http://landscape.forest.wisc.edu/courses/readings/Holling_Meffe1996.pdf AT: Immigration Will Pass Now Washington Times 1/13 No Vote - Agenda Overload LA Times, 1/18, 2005 Sen. Chuck Hagel...into private accounts Emissions Trading solves resource depletion and inevitable collapse Australian Financial Review, 1/18/03 Still, emissions trading may...resource base: nothing. Growth solves the environment and eco resources Taylor, 2003 www.cato.org/pubs/handbook/hb108-43.pdf AT: Social Security Deficits stop HIV assistance - terrorism and HIV kills millions IHT, 12/24/'4 It was with great...our foreign policy Deficits spur rapid depreciation of the dollar New Republic 2k4 (11/29, Risen) As a result of Bush's profligacy...major pocketbook crises) Deficit collapses US readiness and power projection National Defense, 5/1/'4 One of the Washington clich?s...will implode," he bemoaned. AT: Russia Dutch Disease Now Otto Latsis, Russky kuryer The Current Digest of the Post-Soviet Press, September 8, 2004 We already know...into a laughingtock? Russian Law Prevents It Banking and stock exchange, Finance. Economics (Russia) October 25, 2004 At the same time...of the year AT: K Plan doesn't lead to right to pollute Johnathan Wiener, 2002 (Climate Change Policy, pg 166) Fifth, incentive mechanisms do not reprsesent..is committing an immoral act. Round 3 - Wake (AFF) v. Berkeley (NEG) AFF 1AC same as before Tort reform Pcap cant' get it passed Pittsburgh Post Gazette 1-9-05 lexis No link bush won't push plan, minimal fiat Dems, trial lawyers and wary reps block it NPR 1-18-05 Dems oppose Rocky Mtn News 1-15-05 No TF for a couple a years Insurance Day 1-20-05 Counterplan Circumvention: they'll blow the cap comps will automatically bid up to the safety valve to bank for the future and sell intly Its disinicentive to make big long term reductions Eileen Claussen 34 George Washington International Law Review 2002. 247 Destroys global consensus to stop warming Sangmin Shim 15 Georgetown Intl Envtl Lrev 203, 2003 Cap busted kills warming Solv Jacoby and Ellerman 2002 online dspace.mit.edu/bitstream/1721.1/3561/1/MITJPSPGC_Rpt83.pdf "even with unrestricted annex B trading, the price to achieve the Kyoto targets (the U.S. participating) was variously estimated to be in the neighborhood of $50 to $100 per ton" Both conservatives and greens hate the cp The Economist 2-16-02 "combine cap and trade with a safety valve... most American conservatives hate this idea" No congressional support for safety valve emp prov Richard Morgenstern 9-21-04 cigionline.ca/v.2/conf_docs/g20.newyork.morgenstern.pdf "some see the absence of a safety valve in the proposal ... as a sign that the concept is not politically viable." Intl trading is destroyed by the cp Henry D Jacoby and A Denny Ellerman, July 2002 online "private agents... could purchase permits at the govt safety valve window and either sell them directly into the intl market or use them in place of other permits transferred abroad." Permit banking and borrowing solves your delay CP and allows for the most efficient way to restrict warming - Michael toman and suzi kerr, resources for the future and agricultural and resource economics department @ Maryland, sep 98 http://ntj.tax.org/wwtax/ntjrec.nsf/15BF70BD63C6172585256AFC007F04D2/$FILE/v51n3453.pdf - "banking of unused permits is important for improved efficiency when regulatory targets are such that marginal control cost is rising over time faster than the relevant rate of interest." Banking is key to solve biz con and make deep cuts - Gary E. Marchant, Associate, Kirkland & Ellis, Washington, D.C. J.D. 1990, Harvard Law School; M. P. P. 1990, John F. Kennedy School of Government, Winter 1992 (22 Envtl. L. 623) - "it is widely agreed that banking can lower barriers to emissions trading and thus lower compliance costs for industry, therefore making deeper cuts in emissions levels economically feasible. Plan leads to international trading - Michael Toman and Suzi Kerr (same cite as above) - "deployment of a relatively efficient and transparent system seems within our grasp" Plan solves developing countries' emissions, solving int'l trading key to solve warming - John Podesta et al., professor of law at Georgetown and former chief of staff to Clinton, august 2003 (Foreign affairs, 1/n) - "growing faster in poor countries than in rich ones, and in time the ddeveloping world will assume the majority share." Plan leads to modeling by developing countries - suzie kerr, director of motu-economic and public policy research, 2000 (global emissions trading, pg. 3) - "understanding of how to design an Annex B trading market is a critical building block for addressing climate effectively in the long run." Developing countries are starting to control emissions - john browne, group chief exective of BP plc, July/August 2004 (Foreign Affairs, http://www.foreignaffaris.org/20040701faessay83404john-browne/beyond-kyoto.html?mode=print) - "in China and India, infrastructure necessary to substitute natural gas for coal is already being put in place." Round Wake Forest AFF VS. Emory NEG AFF: Cap 2AC Politics Tort Reform w/n pass (New york sun, Jan 21) 2. P.C c/n get it passed (Pittsburgh post gazette, Jan 9) 3. NL bush w/n push the plan 4. Plan is an olive branch ( Platts Power, Nov/Dec 2004) 5. Increased Relations Solves back Bioterror (Cohen, The New Atlantis, No 5 "Energy Dreams and Energy Realities" p 3-17) 6. K to Agenda (Times Picayune, 11-7-04) 7. Winners Win 8. Dems K to Tort, last congress proves (Hofmann, business Insurance Daily News, Jan 19, www.businessinsurance.com) Cp 1. perm 2. d/n sove warming 3. No renewable shift 4. Death penalty K to deterrence 5. WW 3 Impax 6. Conditionality Bad 7. EU will sanction the US for failure to acto o n climate -it'll happen in the next month (Andrew Simms, New Statesman, 11-15-04) 8. Nuclear Winter (Copley news service, December 99) 9. CP d/n solve relations 10. TF K to third world countries 11. No Solvency for competiveness 12. Links to PTicks clean coal 1. clean coal subs fail (taylor and van doren, National Review, sept 13 2004) 2.Clean coal 15-20 years away (Mieszkowski, Salon, 9-11-04) 3. Plan K to Solve CC (Easterbrook, The new Republic, Oct 18 2004) Australia 1.No IL: Relations based 2. Japan Solves 3. Reg Inevitable 4. Plan w/n hurt coal industry 5. Coal Collapse Inevitable 6. States Suing now (Cybercast News Service, Feb 21, 2003, cnsnew.com) 7. Inaction -> state regulation, destroying economy ( The Washington Post, 1-12-05) 8 N. War From Kenneth.M.Strange Wed Jan 26 00:16:15 2005 From: Kenneth.M.Strange (Kenneth M. Strange) Date: 26 Jan 2005 01:16:15 EST Subject: [eDebate] Dartmouth Neg reports as message text Message-ID: <48456377@newvixen.Dartmouth.EDU> BERKELEY NEG Rd. 1 Cal NW neg vs Emory GP NEG Report T - Require Require means command Merriam Webster online, 2K4 To impose a compulsion Command and control regimes make requirements in the context of the resolution Wilkins and hunt, 95 (63 geo. Wash. L. rev. 479) The descriptive phrase "command and control" is a common Violation - plan doest not require a decrease in fossil fuel consumption, only increase in nuclear Limits, Extra T Investor Confidence Investor confidence is up Business wire, 1-18 State street global markets, the investment research Freaks out industry Megawatt daily, 12-19-1 With investor confidence in energy companies Its key to the economy Philip defeo, 02 (www.pacificex.com) As long as investors do not trust 1NR stuff regulatory cutbacks key to energy investment Milwaukee journal sentine, 5-13-1 Big oil companies plan to invest Govt regs tank investment - sarbanes oxley proves The independent institute , 10-13-3 These reasons all point out how the Sarbanes Regs hurt investor confidence Devine, 98 www.hydro.org Hydropower is key to reducing greenhouse gas emissions Ripple effects magnify link Marxsen, 97 www.cato.org But professor robinson argues Blair DA Blair facing domestic pressure - needs to get the US to take a more moderate approach to foreign policy to secure support Dallas morning news, 11-17-4 Pressure is mouning on british prime minister tony Blair domestic popularity will determine support for attack on iran - if unpopular wont back bush Daily record, 11-8-4 Blair knows he is taking a political gamble Blair is pushing the US to go beyond voluntary - required reductions are key to his warming proposal Alvaraz, NYT, 2-25-3 Prime minister tony blair laid out ambitious Us preemptive strike against iran = nuclear war Sieff, 8-11-4 (www.globalpolicy.org) However, blaming iran for Americas Politics - tort reform Tort will pass cuz political capital NYT 12-20-4 With legislation on social security Tort reform will pass The record (Bergen county, 1-17-5 Now relief may be at hand...top legislative priority Top of the docket The economist, 1-15 In recent weeks, priorities have been set Bush pushing tort - pol cap key to passage The weekly standard, 1-17 President bush went to Madison county CP is a net benefit - command and control decision will be politiczed through lobbies and in congress Kellogg, 03 (www.cato.org) That brings us to the fifth problem Energy policies drain polcap Fox news, 8-8-3 Legislatively, congress has long been Reduction in consumption is political suicide - Scully, the chronicle for higher education, 10-1-4 While the group's report Energy bills are partisan Cohen, new atlatis, spring 04 More often than not Infighting kills the agenda Light, 99 (the presidents agenda) p.288 No reform collapses the pharmaceutical industry New york sun, 12-20-4 The American pharmaceutical industry, for all its faults Pharma innovation key to combating HIV Phrma.org '03 Fourteen of the 17 medicines available Aids will extinguish life on the planet Mathiu, africa news,7-15-2k Every age has its killer More 2nc stuff Will pass - GOP gains in senate The economist 1-15 Shaking up the tort system Will pass cuz bush spending capital Lloyds list, 1-14 The prospects of meaningful Malaria impact kills millions - innovation key Anti-infectives week, 2-24-3 Biosante pharmaceuticals Genetic research sovles environmental crisis Murphy, winter, 01 (42 harv.int'l. l.j. 47) The genetic engineering made possible Presidents cant win - too many constraints Light, 99 (the presidents agenda. P202) There is always a tendency Pushing too many items jacks the agenda Light, 99 (the presidents agenda. 32-3) A contextual model of choice Bush political capital strong The frontrunner, 12-27-4 Still, some white house officials Biotech key to immortality Pittsburgh post-gazette, 8-14-3 Wanna live to the age of 600? This may not be Biotech growing fast - will be prominent world Markey, Malinowski, 96 (60 alb.l.rev.119( The humane genome project has drawn together CP - Voluntary The United States Federal Government should establish a depreciation period for capital investment in nuclear power plants of seven years. The USFG should declare its intentions to require that nuclear power constitute fifty percent of non-government electricity by2015 unless electric utilities and other relevant industries voluntarily commit to a self-regulatory scheme that ensures that nuclear pwer constitutes fifty percent of non-governmental electricity generation by2015 meeting this requirement through the construction and us of all needed gas turbine-modular helium reactors. Compliance will be determind by an accredited priveat 3rd party auditor, th USFG should offer public recognition to compliant industries and engage in informational support if requested by industry . the USFG will preempt any contradictory citing decisions. Solves case and avoids disads Coglianese and nash, 11-02 (environment, www.findarticles.com/) A third policy option is to chart a "middle way" Threat of regulation solves - gets business on board Wallace, 5-2K (www.selfregulation.gov.au) Governments can influence th effectiveness of self-regulation Their 1ac author concludes neg Marvin fertel, 3-4-4 (congressional testimony FDCH NEI believes that lack of investment in our nation's Solvency Impossible to construct nuclear plants fast enough FEASTA, 2004, www.feasta.org But as the UK atomic energy authority wrote Nuclear energy = extinction Caldicott, 94 (nuclear madness.) p.21-2 As a physician, I contend that nuclear Nuclear power = prolif Caldicott, 94 (nuclear madness.) p.93-4 This spread of nuclear power Wast is radioactive and cant be disposed of Lovins, 8-27-1 (insight on the news) Promoters similarly fail to disclose Expanding industry risrks terrorsm. Makhijani, '4 (24J. land resources & envtl.l.61) The vulnerability of nuclear power plants EPA tradeoff EPA resources are finite Eilperin, Washington post, 11-25-4 (www.truthout.org) There is little question in my mind if congress New jobs trade off with homeland security protection - epa key preventing terrorism Suarez, us newswire, 4-26-4 Since septermber 11, 2001, our governemtn has experienced an enormous Terrorism cuases extinction Steinbrunner, foreign policy, 12-22-97 The deceptively simple observation China ADV Nuclear adoption in other countries has no relation to the US Nucleonics week, 12-2-4 European nuclear industry leaders No export diversification Irish times, 7-10-4 The international monetary fund and other leading Economic interests and commercial ties keep china in check Ivan eland, 2-'3 www.cato.org because chinas highest priority is economic growth Economy adv Nuclear pwer relies on electricity grid - cant solve Southeralliance for clean energy, '4 www.cleanenergy.org ironically, nuclear power plants rely on electricity electricity production doesn't justify the plan brownstien, 4-17-84 (cato policy analysis NO.36) of all the arguments of nuclear power natural gas price stabilizing foster electric report, 12-15-4 in this outlook average wellhead volatility inevitable public utilities fortnightly, 9-04 no one can deny the inflation grid vulnerabilities exist regardless of supply factors lovins, 2001 (www.rmi.org) the roots of this vulnerability are not hard to find Round 3 -Berkley (NEG) vs Wake (AFF) NEG Econ 1nc Price spikes Morgenstern 2002 rff.org "many fear that any effort to rigidly cap emissions in the near term could result in unpred shortages and/or unacceptable price hikes" Predictability/cost compliance uncert k growth Press Association Newsfile 11-16-93 "predictability is the mother of confidence" Investor confidence: PR Newswire 8-6-2002 "It is critical that we restore inv conf in the markets (Sodano)" I turns case and global instability Silk 96 Making Capitalism Work p 27-8 Oil glut link decreases on oil consumption lt OPEC flood to up demand Miskel o4 Backstopping link: climate polcy lower ww demand for oil. Lt flood to lower prices Noreng 02 pg 203-4 oil glut kills econ and civilization Ross Gelbspan Harpers Magazine December 1995 Glut ow and good from low prices Lombard Street Research Monthly Economic Review 5-16-03 Ow case reg signals worse for oil security than natural adjustments Octane Week 7-2-2001 "Markets respond to price signals and markets are the best means of adjusting to changes in supply and demand" Regs worst than market adj Oilgram News 6-28-01 Only a risk of glut cuz of fears fo oil independence, hi prices stabilize Dr. Canto 2004 Natl Review 6-4 No impact ot hi prices there is a low % of recessn and even then it wouldn't affect growth Business wk online 1-11-05 Hi prices don't hurt economy significantly Financial times 10-1-04 Hi prices don't hurt us econ: improved energy eff and lo inflation risk Nivola (LA times 2-11-01) 2nc us k consumption sets market price, makes europes greenness irrelevant Oystein boring Crude Power p 208 2002 guarantees glut: ME oil exp want low prices " " p 143 most studies prove supply is stable and transition smooth, market forces and alt tech prove EIA 04 USDOE energy outlook (web) Iraqi Reconstruction impact High oil prices key to Iraqi reconstruction and government stability - Alhajji 2004 - Prof Buisiness @ Ohio Northern University, The Edge Malaysia, July 26 - "Maintaining the flow of funds into the Iraqi oil sector is essential, not only for its growth, but for it very survival" Failure of Iraqi reconstruction causes global war and terrorism and devastates US leadership - National Review 7-28-2003 - "Shiites will smell opportunity that will only advance their organizing energies. The Kurds will see no choice but to circle the wagons and begin thinking" Iran Economy Impact High oil prices key to prevent Iranian economic collapse - Economist 9-4-2004 - "Iran has benefited hugely from the high oil prices of the past five years, with its GDP growing at about 6% a year." Economy is the lynchpin of a stable Iran - Zahedi et al 2004 - Visiting Scholar @ US Berkeley and Law Student @ UC Berkeley, Newsday, November 24 - "History suggests that economic and not just social development must antecede political development, and the key to a peaceful and sustained transition to stable democracy is a propertied middle class." The impact is massive terrorism, instability in Iraq, and nuclear wars with North Korea - Defense and Foreign Affairs Daily 11-4-2004 - "The response of both the Iranian clerics and the bin Laden networks will be to escalate terrorist, guerilla and military operations inside Iraq and elsewhere to hold the US at arm's length, Iran's response will include even closer coordination with the DPRK (North Korea) leadership of Kim Jong-II" T - Emission not consumption Distinction between emission and consumption - Richardson and Chanwai, 2003, Env Law 2003.15(39), lexis - "The resulting Lord Marshall report recommended that both taxation and tradable emission permits" Energy efficiency is not intrinsically linked to reduced consumption - E Parliament Climate and Energy Action Network 2k3 http://www.e-parl.net/energy/learn/energy-more.htm - "it leads to an energy efficiency imporvment of almost 30% but still has about the same fossil fuel consumption, and, hence, CO2 emissions as today. Safety Valve CP Politics - Tort Reform Good Berkeley Neg vs Harvard 5 off 1. Efficiency is not linked to consumption Coal- clean coal Cooperation with Asia is critical d. Nuclear war Cohersion b. Politics- Republicans opposed to impacts if...? Limiting gov. intereference llimits envi. Protection 2. Pharmaceutical innovation key Impact is extinction Counterplan 50 states CP - conditional Oil - stable transition away from oil helps economies Oil demand/intervention Turn Glut? - get these Climate more food from CO2 b Russia Rectify problems of glo warming Turn- innovation Trading doesn't cost future deals 2NC objectivist status quo can make renewable energy federal bad- energy policy generally reserved to states Permutation makes no sense- creates confusion as to who's doing it Doesn't solve because causes policy disaster Federal state cooperation obscures EPA tradeoff We can't run CP's without conditionality of CP Turn- the plan Impact extinction- Now on to Russia debate Countries that are dependent on fossil fuels/natural gas don't want to make the change Oil prices are key to economy 1NR- Russia, warming, oil, CP , disad Inevitable US attack They have a Harvard 1NC Each of the 50 states of the united states should establish a primary fuel producer cap and trade system for non-governmental consumption of fossil fuels within each state based on potential emissions requiring a minimum 2-% reduction within 15 years and a minimum 45% reduction within 45 years using 1990 levels in each state as a baseline. Each state should allocate permits through an annual auction. Each state should create a registry, if one does not already exist, to register all emissions and emissions trading within the state, based on the EPA's sulfur dioxide registry. All relevant actors should defer to the mandates of the counterplan. Funding and enforcement are guaranteed through all necessary means. Observation 1- Solvency First- States can do upstream auction tradable permit policies similar to the FG's SO2 program! - McKinstry, Maurice K. (12 Pen St. Envtl. L. Rev. 15) Winter 2004 "An Alternative approach that would deal effectively include the transportation sector in a climate change strategy without running afoul of challenges based on preemption would be one relying upon price mechanisms." Second- State policies to reduce GHG emissions don't violate the doctrine of pre-emption, they are key to innovation. Hodas, (David, 21 Pace Envtl. L. Rev. 5) "Generally, from a federalism perspective, it is hard to imagine any argument that state and local GHG initiatives are constitutionally offensive. They do not conflict with an federal statutes or regulations." Third- State registries solve for reductions, enforcement and accuracy. McKinstry, Maurice K. (12 Penn St. Envtl. L. Rev. 15) Winter 2004 "A final component of the CCAP's overall vision for state action with respect to reduction in emissions of greenhouse gasses includes a registry for keeping track of and "scoring" the reductions that result from the state's emission reduction strategy." Observation 2- Net benefit Avoids politics- state action is below the political radar. Celli, Chief of civil rights Buereau, 2001 (Andrew, G. 64 Alb, L. rev. 1091) "I also saw that state enforcement officers, like me and like peter lehner, with our small and agile offices operating below the national political radar, that we can use these federal laws in creative and aggressive ways and perhaps a way that is insulated.from the kinds of political pressure that, say, the civil rights difvision of the justice department faces. Turn- Glut Disad 1 NC- A link. Climate policies will lower the demand for oil worldwide. Fcaed with declining revenues oil exporters will flood the market to lower prices and regain market share. Oysein Noreng, (crude power, p. 203-4_ 2003. Defending economic rent in climate politics International climate politics are about the costs and alternative ways of reducing CO22 emissions. Republican link extensions. Republicans oppose reductions- Fead economic impact of regulation. Cohen, New Atlantis, 2004 Spring To take the term conservatism in it's political meaning is to see that conservatives seek to preserve what works, they seek to advance gradually along a path off incremental recovery.... Tort Reform will pass-political capital key NYT 12/20/04 With legistlation on social security and taxe still in the early stages of development, malpractice is likely to be on eo fhte first of bush's campain issues. Disads- A. Uniqueness- Clean coal tech has federal fuding and industry support in the SQ. Modern Power system 8/13/2004 The us department of energy has received proposals for a new generation of clean coal projects, altogether valued at nearly $6 billion. B. Link- reduction in fossil fuels like coal kills clean coal Kyoto talks prove. Pittsburgh Post Gazette 12/21/97 Whilee steel company execs say they can adapt to a "flexible" program for reducing emissions and still remain globally competitive, the coal industry is digging in for what it is portraying as a life-or-death struggle against mandated reductions in the use of carbon-based fuels." 2NC Impact module- Asian energy cooperation Turn- Asian energy cooperation A. Coal is key to it B. Inside Energy/With Federal lands 4/19/1999 The united states and china agreed to cooperate on Coal 4&D and fossil energy tech during an energy policy working group.... b. Cooperation with asia on natural gas infrastructure key to solve conflict Snyder, Asia Foundation Analyst 2001 (energy 3/22) China is the primary source in asia of increased energy demand, and much of the speculation over possible enrfy demand induced conflict assumes an emerging china will increasingly compete" The US gets involved in Asian resource wars- Same as B. Although asia is a resource poor and us energy security policy has focused on enegy supply.... Sino-US conflict causes global nuclear war Chicago Tribune 1996 While a peaceful solution remains a priority, both the politburo and the peoples liberation army have pledged to use force if necessary to regain the island.... DARTMOUTH DARTMOUTH NEG VS MICHIGAN STATE 1NC Toipcality - requiring indicates present participle - guide to grammar and writing -11-15-4 http://cctc2.commnet.edu/grammar/verbs.htm "Participle: a verb form acting... ...further help on this issue." B. violation - plan doesn't require a present reduction c. aff unreasonable moving target, avoids links and uniqueness potential abuse is a voter Tort Reform A. Tort will pass - Bush's top priority - Eric Peters, Consumers' Research Magazine, 1/17/5 - Bergen County Record - L/N. "Now relief may be at hand... ...need for wacky warning labels." B. Plan kills political capital - political capital key to agenda Mark Seidenfeld, Law Florida States 10/94 - 80 Iowa L Rev 1 @ 38-9 "The cumbersome process of enacting legislation... ...regulatory policy will still be intact." C. Failure to enact tort would kill pharmies - New York Sun 12/20 - l/n. "The American pharmaceutical industry, for all... ...lawyers or politicians to destroy it" D. pharmies key to solve aids - Pharma.org '3. www.phrma.org/publications/publications/2003-10-16.855.pdf "Pharmaceutical Advances... ...prevent the spread of the virus." E. Aids = exn - The Nation (Kenya) 7/15/2k L/N "Every age has its killer... ...if it exists, is well concealed." Russia NG A. Nat Gas prices increasing - Ottawa Sun, 10/26/4 "Price in Alberta and... ...price of which has soared recently" B. Govt policies have impact on nat gas prices NGSA 4 (Natural gas supply association, www.ngsa.org/docs/NG%20factors.pdf) "Government policies can interfere... ...smaller, more expensive fields." C. Low gas prices kill Russian economy - Polit.ru 4/2/3 (what the papers say (Russia)) "Chief Executive Director of Hermitage... ...gas export to Western Europe." D. Nat gas key to Russian econ - RIA Novosti 3/23/4 "According to Putin, Gazprom... ...has so far been achieved." E. Russian econ key to nuclear war - Steven R. David - Foreign Affairs Jan/Feb 99 "If internal war does strike Russia.... ...would follow a Russian civil war" Iraq A. high oil prices key to Iraqi stability - A F Alhajji, 7/26/4 - The Edge "At the same time, maintaining... ... reconstruction, debt and war reparations." b. instability in iraq causes civil war, terrorism worldwide, and kills hege turning case National Review, 7/28/03 "As trouble goes, that's the best... ...Now this is really trouble." Terrorism Adv 1. terrorists will just shift to a different target 2. bioweapon threat low - hard to obtain and use - Canadian Press Newswire, Dec 22, 2002 "It's highly unlikely that terrorirists.. ...agents to terrorist groups." 3. HTI chemicals can incinerate cbw warheads - Jane's defence weekly - 9/16/2 "The DTRA and Office... ...remaining BW agents." 4. No CBW impact a. Assumes large scale dispersal b. Extinction claim is just rhetoric c. Anthrox disproves d. Vaccines and antibiotics check 5. dispersal problems check - Sir Martin Rees, 2003. Our Final Century: A scientists warming: how terror, error, and environmental disaster threaten humankind's future in this century - on earth and beyond. P 50 "Achieving efficient dispersal... ...would be a real challenge." 6. no apocalyptic response -Joseph F. Pilat, Winter 98/99 - Survival, No 40 No. 4 "WMD terrorism: an exchange." P. 173-4 "The second questionable assumption... ...threats tend to be underestimated." Oil Peak Transition won't cause depression or war - Steven Shafersman - 10-10-2 www.freeinquiry.com/skeptic/badgeology/energy/commentary.htm "Furthermore, when the peak... ...I don't think so." Market will ensure effective transition- govt control less effective - Bob Williams, 8/18/3 - Oil and Gas Journal "Some of the depletion... ...technical advances wil also be factors." New tech means lotsa oil - Robert A. Manning, 2001. "Tiger's Roar: Asia's recovery and its impact" ed by Weiss. 186-7 "New technologies for enhanced exploration... ...barrels of oil available." Oil pessimists empirically wrong - "Robert A. Manning 2k "The Asia Energy Factor: Myths and Dilemmas of Energy, Security and the Pacific Future." P. 21 "Set against the aforementioned... ...flawed in the past." AG-ECON ADV 1. biodeisel will replace fossile fuels - national biodiesel board 04 - www.biodiesel.org/news/events/farmaid/2004/default.shtm "with increasing support... ...Soy's fuel to farm aid." 2. flips monoculture - Mario Giampietro and Sergio Ulgiati October 97. Bioscience 47(9) online.) "moreover, the expansion of monoculture..picture would still be gloomy" 3. ag not key to growth - Peter F. Drucker Foreign Affairs. Spring 86. "The changed world economy." 325. "In the late 1920's... ...and developing countries alike." 4. single sectors not key - Rocky Mountain News, 9/29/98. l/n "Those same economists... ...few percentage points." 5. us not key to world econ - Martin Wolf, Sept Oct 2K. Foreign Policy Issue 120 http://search.epnet.com/login.aspx?direct=true&autotype=cookie,ip,url,uid&db=buh&an=3538960 "The notion that the strong... ...the crisis ridden regions." 6. wto not key to trade -Andrew Rose 11/02. NBER working paper 9347, www.nber.org/papers/w9347 "in 1987, Indian tariff... ..or is actually liberalizing it?" 7. wto collapse =/= trade wars, "Walden Bello, 1/2k. www.foodfirst.org/progs/globa/trade/wbello.html "The alternative to a powerful... ... strategies of their choice." 8. WTO resilient - Financial Times 11/25/99 "So will the new trade... ...based global trade system" 9. seed banks solve monoculture - ecologist 10-3 EBSCO "One response to this loss... European vegetable varieties." 10. can't solve consumer pressure for monoculture, Scott C. Lucas, Sring 2. 17 J. Envtl L. & Litig 161 l/n. "A pressure of a different... ...true cost of what is produced." 11. organic kills yield, Anthony Trewavas, Sept 4 - Crop Protection, online "For many reports it is clear... ...most UK arable farming." 12. 12. pop trends kill solvency - Scott C. Lucas, Sring 2. 17 J. Envtl L. & Litig 161 l/n. "even if consumers, industry.. .. natural resources and large families." Dartmouth Neg v Northwestern Northwestern read previously read PP AFF Dartmouth ran T-require, Vagueness, CP, DA and framework ethics of PP "CP - The USFG should use the precautionary principle as the criteria for formulating and implementing regulations on the non-governmental consumption of fossil fuels in the US except when they are used in the production, dissemination, and implementation of renewable energy technologies, in the US such that precautionary measures apply even if some cause and effect relationships proving harm to present or future human or non-human communities cannot be established scientifically we'll clarify." PIC's good NB A. The plan's massive cut in fossil fuel use prevents transition to alternative energy. Energy shortage would cause social catastrophe and massive starvation Jesse Tatum '95. Energy Possibilities: Rethinking Alternatives and the Choice-Making Process p. 18-20 B. Our Disad Turns their advantage - develping a legitimate environmental ethic means avoiding revolutionary shocks that cause totalitarianism. Thei advantage author concedes there is no possible advantage to the plan's shock therapy. Nicholas Low And Brendan Gleason '98 Justice, Society and Nature: An exploration in political ecology p. 20 E. The plan I s counterporoductive for developing a precautionary ethic. Incremental application of the precautionary principle is superior to the plan's immediate 90% reduction in fossil fuel consumption. Timothy O'Riordan and James Cameron '94 Interpreting the Precautionary Principle p. 293 F. Puishing the precautionary principle too fast destros democratic input-this turns the case solvency Oriordand and Cameron p. 27-28 Our Net-Benefit - the counterplan avoids our disad and prevents backlash against a precaustionary environmental framework. Economice hardship and starvation produced by the plan would cause a massive backlash against environmentalism. The transition to alternative energies that break the link between economic hardship and environmental regulation is crucial to the legitimcacy of environmental ethics Low and Gleason p. 212 Evaluate Our Disad. DA turns A. Enviromental ethics must consider environmental consequences, economics, and social economic consequences. This is the best way to balance short term and long term consequences. Alyson C. Flournoy '3 Enviorns Envtl. L. & Pol'y J. 1 L/N "Decions or policies are deemed sustainable only if they incorporate consideration of three co-equal factors: ecology, economics and social equity B. Environmental ethics demand we evaluate the economic consequences of the plan. Economic questions are crucial for perceived legitimacy Barton Thompson Environs Envtl. L. & Pol'y J. 175 L/N "Those who believe in a strong code of environmental ethic...see the prevalence of economic analysis in current environmental policy debates as an error." C. Our ethical framework creates ethical stepping-stones instead of imposing a new revolutionary environmental ethics Alyson Flournoy 1 L/N. "Philosophers must help us to create a discourse that describes ways of valuing the environment that build on people's current values..." D. Balancing environmental consequences, future generations, non-human interests, and socio-economic consequences prevents dogmatic ethics. The plan's failure to balance these concerns puts all of our eggs in one disastrous ethical basket. Christopher Barrett '99. Environmental Ethics Vol. 21 Spring "We argue the importance of pluralistic stewardship, invoking the economic concept of path dependene, which emphasizes that there exist multiple paths society can follow in environmental ethics and polic..." E. Environmental Ethics cannot be wepearated from political context, evaluating the socio-economic effects of environmental positions is crucial for their legitimacy. John Barry '99 Rethinking Green Politics: Nature, Firtue and Progress p. 41 Vagueness Must specify to whom and to what extent their required reductions apply Lets them spike out of DA and CP So many different versions of PP T - definite course of action mandating a decrease in fossil fuel consumption Applying principles unlimits the topic May or may not reduce consumption Effects unlimits the topic Dartmouth neg vs Berkeley 1NC T-emissions, Spec sector, CP - upstream cap and trade, Chem DA, and advantages T emisioins Emissions not consumption + effects Specification Aff must specify which sector is influenced Aff out of da and cp Moving target CP - upstream cap and trade + methane abatement Provided for methane reduction equivalents to susbtitute for fossil fuel/CO2 reductions in meeting caps. 1 - less than the plan b - non T 2 - solves warming a methane abatement compensates for the fact that the counterplan doesn't reduce carbon dioxide as much as the plan. Climate change is irrelevant to a comparison of the plan and the counterplan Jesper Jensen and Martin Thelle '1 http://www.feem.it/feem/pub/publications/wpapers/wp2001- b substantial reduction of methane emissions combined with modest reductions of carbon dioxide emissions can prevent drastic climate change. James Hanson et al.. 2K http://dx.doi.org/10.1073/pnas.170278997 "A common view is that the current global warming rate will continue or accelerate." c methane only way to address warming right now, quickly Katharine Hayhoe et al '99 http://dx.doi.org/10.1126/science.286.5441.90 ? "although ch4 reductions are attractive from a purely economic standpoing, there are ancillary benefits to reducing ch4..." d you should prefer short term solvency Katharine Hayhoe et al 99 above "the immediacy criterion. All else being equal, more-immediate threats..." 3 - solves by inducing people 4 - competitive Kyoto international b internation maket for methane abatement EPA 97 http://www.epa.gov/etv/sitedocs/meetings/ghg/rfa-12.pdf "Business Opportunities. With the public awareness that will be increasing at an ever faster rate with the coming of mandatory emission targets..." CP avoids Cost disads. Allowing methane abtement reduces costs by 25 to 40 percent Katharine Hayhoe (above) "If reductions in co2 alone are used to meet the target, costs rise..." 5 cp solves blair argument 6 solves Natural Gas DA's Block Cap and trade would cause producers to shift to natural gas Marc Breslow 04 http://www.massclimateaction.org/PrimerCarbonCap&Trade2.doc "The point of cap-and-trade is to obtain the goal of reducing GHG emissions..." 2NC - SOME STUFF ON METHANE Chemical DA Gas prices kill domestic chemical manufacturing which is key to domestic energy efficiency and technology - it's the number one threat to us chemical producers Raj Gupta '03 FDCH "The current price of natural gas is the chemical industry's number one economic issue" High natural gas prices kill the chemical industry which is key to the economy and competitiveness (as above) "The $460 billion business of chemistry is a key..." The chemical industry is key to national security military innovationand industry growth Frederick Webber '01 http://epw.senate.gov/107th/webber_1114.htm "first, our industry is a critical and indispensable part of the nation's infrastructure..." Impact is extinction - laundry list Chemical and Engineering News '99 Vol. 77, No. 49. pp. Pp.46-47. http://pubs.acs.org/sci-bin/bottomframe.sci?hotartcl/cenear/991206/7749spintro2 "the pace of change in today's world is truly incomprehensible." OIL Wrong before Market will insure a good transition New tech Russial sources Unconventional oil will solve Steven Schafersman 02 (http://www.freeinquiry.com/skeptic/badgeology/energy/commentary.htm) "Next, the doomsayers universally ignore petroleum resources other than oil" Richard George 98 (scientific American, vol. 278, issue 3) "Digging for oil is certainly more troublesome than simply drilling and pumping, but the enormity of this resource makes it hard to ignore" Blair Can't solve blair credibility Won't get credit No cred. Competitiveness Us companies competing Competitiveness doesn't affect economic growth Paul drugman 94 http://www.pkarchive.org/global/pop.html "the idea that a country's economic fortunes are largely determined by its success on world markets is...flatly wrong" Climate Focusing only on Co2 ineffective. Co2 doesn't cause warming Less than 2% cost Costs drain money from CO2 reduction efforts Lakshman Guruswamy 2K J. of Land Use & Environmental Law 15, 341 "Similarly, electric utilities would have to add costly equipment that would be used tofor only a few years beyond 2010..." CO2 caps would hurt all industries due to higher prices Charli Coon '4 http://www.heritage.org/research/energyandenvironment/wm530.cfm "Likewise, Charles River Associates, an eocnmics, finance, and business consulting firm, analyzed the proposal and found that imposing and emissions cap..." Increased energy costs will ripple through every sector of the economy Lawrence Horwitz '96 An economic perpective on climate change policies p. 133 EMORY EMORY GP (Neg) v. DARTMOUTH CS 1NC K The affirmative is trapped within the logic of globalization. Their call to the state is a 'think globally, act locally' mentality that obliterates our ability to think and act locally. This is doomed to failure and is a cause of prior environmental destruction. Esteva and Prakash 1997 The Post-Development Reader p.277-278 "Think globally, act locally... the watchdogs in the global environmental movement" Ecological extinction is inevitable because of social hierarchies enforced by the state. The affirmative's piecemeal reforms hasten extinction by deflecting efforts away from challenging the social institutions that are the root cause of their harms Bookchin 91 Defendiong the Earth: Debate Between Murray Bookchin and Dave Foreman p.75-77 Global approaches to environmental protection mask our personal roles in consumption and reinforce environmental destruction - Bobertz 95 73 Texas LR 711 "To date, explanations for the intellectual bedlam of environmental... creating the appearance of reforming" Their appeal to the state as a source of salvation is the root cause of war and genocide Beres 94 Arizona Journal of International and Comparative Law Spring "The state requires its members to be... corpses of others" Shocks 1NC No supply shocks - diversity, efficiency and trading solve Gorak 99 www.heartland.org/Article/cfm?artId=13011 "Oil shortages like those experienced... Bradley writes" Prices increases are always short term - no impact LeVine 2004 (8/29) St. Louis Post-Dispatch "The best the producers can hope... industrialized world does" Peaks 1NC Tech solves Newsweek 9/20/4 "For years most such firms ignored... run out any time soon" Reserves grow - 46 years of oil left Gorak 99 (same as above) "Fossil-fuel availability has been increasing... usage, respectively" TORTS 1NC Class action reform will despite democratic criticism BestWire 1/11/5 "Not long after congressional Republicans... doomed its passage" PC key to pass class action before Congress becomes swamped in judicial nominations Financial Times 11/15/4 "Bush won a close election and his party gained four seats... he turned out to be right" Energy policies destroy capital - The Hill 2004 "pro-energy-production Republicans solidified... aren't easily passed" Impact - Reform prevents destruction of pharmaceutical industry - New York Sun 12/20/4 "The American pharmaceutical industry, for all its faults... their case to the public" Pharmaceutical countries key to combating bioweapons Bailey 01 www.opensecrets.org/alters/v6/altertv6_33.asp "With fears of bioterrorism on the rise... development of new cures" Bioweapons attack results in global extinction which outweighs all else OCHS 2 www.freefromterror.net/other_articles/abolish.html "Of all the weapons of mass destruction... the game is over." 1NC IRAN DA EU successfully resolving the Iranian nuclear threat Newsday 11/17/4 "may have to take Iran off the... stringent UN economic sanctions hanging like Damocles'" Reducing GHG emissions key to US-EU relations Gelbspan 2004 Boiling Point p.94-95 "Nine days after his announcement... USA and the EU" Weak relations with Europe are key to the success of European efforts at stemming Iranian proliferation Meland 2004 www.gcsp.ch/e/about/News/Faculty-articles/Smeland.pdf "All of these proposals are more easily described...charting its own course" Iranian Prolif leads to Israeli preemption - Salema and Rister 9/9/4 http://cns.miis.edu/pubs/week/040812.htm "In Israel, planning and rhetoric appear to have progressed... consequences of any preemptive action" BUDGET 1NC Plan's massive spending sends the signal that Bush's vow to fiscal responsibility is hollow destroying the pubic support necessary for budget cuts Sarasota Herald-Tribune 2005 (1/2) "Bush and his allies in Congress may finally reacquaint... contributed to our huge deficit" Presidential leadership is the only way to restore international confidence in the economy and prevent the most dangerous economic decline in decades 12/8/4 "Foreign investors, who have been the biggest buyers... most dangerous decline in decades" T Require a Cap A. Interpretation 1. Requirements must mandate a uniform cap on consumption levels Bownes 1981 Carlos Romero-Barcelo, Etc., Et Al., plaintiffs-appellants, v. Harold Brown No. 79-1626 1/26 "The key issue, therefore, is the definition of... This type of control relies on relatively precise standards capable of uniform application" 2. Total means net reduction - Encarta World English Dictionary 2004 http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/ditionary/DictionaryResults.aspx?refid=1861721047 "Overall: with all elements added or considered together" B. Violation - the affirmative might claim to reduce consumption, but they don't create a legal cap on total consumption levels C. This is a voting issue - 1. Its key to negative ground - our consumption good links depend on actual net reduction in overall consumption - given that consumption is increasing, affirmatives that don't cap it can claim that existing increases overwhelm their plan 2. Its key to limits - our interpretation excludes cases that eliminate certain types of technology but allow consumers to expand their consumption in other ways - their aff justifies regulating SUVs, or banning gas-powered lawnmowers that don't address overall levels of consumption 3. Extra T - they say what they replace consumption with - It's a voting issue, otherwise it becomes a no risk option for the affirmative to put extra topical planks in their plan - it also underlimits T Fossil Fuels A. Definitions - Fossil Fuels is a count noun because of "s" Using English 2002 www.usingenglish.com/glossary/count-noun.html "A Count Noun is a noun that has both a singular and a plural form. Plurals of Count Nouns are normally made by the addition of '-s'" Lack of an article preceding fossil fuels means the resolution refers to the whole class - Gillett 99 www.uefap.co.uk/accuracy/accfram.htm "The indefinite article is used with singular countable nouns... rather than an individual" Fossil Fuels is a collective term Sharp 99 http://rockhoundingar.com/geology/energy.html "Coal, oil and gas are collectively called fossil fuels... (living) matter" B. Violation - The affirmative only limits consumption of one fossil fuel C. Reasons to prefer - 1. The grammatical distinction between count and non-count nouns is important Guide to Grammar 2004 http://webster.commnet.edu/grammar/noun_exercize.htm "It is this fourth column of nouns that confounds many writers... count or non-count form" 2. Limits - there are 6 core fossil fuels Demets 2002 www.geology.wisc.edu "Fossil fuels are derived from the remains of dead organisms... natural gas" There are 10 derivatives of natural gas an oil Basurto 28 U. Miami Inter-Am. L. Rev. 479 1996 "In response to this crisis... or any such combination" The aff makes the resolution bidirectional because there can be a shift to another fuel after the plan Santa 2003 Public Utilities Fortnightly "While fuel-neutral on their face... lead time technologies for new generation" D. Voting issue - fairness, education, jurisdiction CP text - The 50 states and all relevant sub-national actors should, through an interstate compact, establish a system of oil conservation vouchers for ground transportation vehicles, phased in to achieve a 25 percent reduction in non-governmental consumption within 15 years. The 50 states and all relevant sub-national actors should allocate vouchers so as to minimize negative economic impact. They should devise implementation systems. They should fund the mass commercialization of thermal depolymerization as a ay to eliminate oil dependence, providing incentive, subsidies and loans for the creation of up to 1000 thermal depolymerization plants. To fund the counterplan, they should deploy electronic lotto machines. If more funds are needed, they should make .5% across the board cuts. All actors will defer to the counterplan. We'll clarify. EMORY BLOCK CP State programs can't be preempted Chanin NYU Annual Survey of American Law 2003 "As explained below, the Morales decision... rely heavily on semantic definitions" Court has radically strengthened presumption against preemption Giovinazzo 2003 TDP solves - Lemeky 2003 www.apfn.net/messageboard/4-24/03/discussion.cgi.44.html TDP solves Roberts et al 2003 www.changinworldtech.com/pdf/NaturalGasTechConf2_11_04.pdf "Fuel, power and industrial chemicals derived from.... Billion barrels of oil if processed through" Solves dependence Roberts 2003 same as above "How much oil we import affects our economy... renewable feedstock and turns wasted into oil, gas, and coke" Emory neg vs Northwestern ASPEC T- require Consult EU CP Cooperation must be binding -x Not consulting puts relations in jeopardy US/EU coop key to solve environmental problems -x Case arguments PP based on selective science and agendas -x Applying PP is impossible -x Europe proves PP just leads to new bureaucracy -x Their ethical framework depends on appeals to extinction which is consequentialism Moral absolutism is evil Isaac '2 Moral purity = complicity with power ---x Role of ballot doesn't cause change Ballot should evaluate winner/loser otherwise judge forced to intervene Use ballot to reject their ethical stance Ethics aren't political useful, reject dogmatic ethics -x Geoeconomics privileged over ethics key to env protection -x Rejecting impact assessments causes more harm ---x Information overload kills decisionmaking -x PP kills action, env harms vs. economic harms etc -x Prevents environmental improvement lewis '2 Fuel cell revolution on the way -x PP kills hydrogen economy Schwartz '03 "the insincerity principle" 6/23 www.iainmurray.org/fme/archives/00732.html "environmentalists have...among them" Hydrogen key to stop environmental destruction Rifkin 12/23/02 http://www.thenation.com/docprint.mhtml?i=20021223&s=Rifkin PP would ban high yield ag Robert James Bidinotto 3/04 www.objectivistcenter.org/navigator/articles/nav+rbidinotto_death-by-environmentalism.asp Key to solve defo Avery '00 "Will the world throw away high yield agriculture?" www.cgfi.org/materials/speeches/yield_ag.htm Defo = south asian conflict The World Conversation Unio 2K www.iucn.org/places/asia/livelihood/pdf/susliv.PDF Hydrogen inevitable George Crabtree and Mildred Dresselhaus 05 www.physicstoday.org/vol-57/iss-12/p39.html Emory NEG vs Wake Forest AFF Round 6 AFF: Cap 1NC Australian Coal will email cites it to Maggie* 1. Coal Prices UP (coal weekly)........... T-substancially 1. requirements must mandate a uniform cap on consumption levels (Bownes, No. 79-1626, 1/26) 2. Substncial reduction means 80-90 % 3. Reduction refers to percentage by which something is diminished 4. The US consumes 98.5 quadrillion BTUs in energy a year 5 Total means net reducton. B violation: aff might claime to reduce consumption but they don't create a legal 80% cap on total consumption Voters T-A 1. A is one 2. d/n require 'a' reduction 3. A. leads to cheating on TF B. Justifies Delay Fiat C. Grammatically unsound 4. voters CP Text: the USFG should implement a policy mandating a shift from Portland Cement to magnesiaum carbonate based cement in 80 % of total cement use, ban death penalty A theoretically legit, non topical group is ours to test B Eco Ecment solves global Warming (New Scientist, July 13 2002, Green Foundations; It's time to Make the Concrete Jungle Emulate the Real Thing, Fred Pearce) C. The Death Penalty is Critical to US leadership (Richard Dieter, Oct 99, www.deathpenaltyinfo.org) D The death penalty is the most important issue to relations (UPI 10/9/03) Clean Coal: SQ coal demands exceeds supply ratcheting coatl prices upward. US domestic utility plays a crucial role (The US Coal Review, November 22 2004) sorry this is all I got TORT 1. Class Action Reform will despite democratic critism (BestWire 1-11-05) 2. PC K to pass class action before congress becomes swamped in judicial nominations (financial Times 11-15-05) 3. Energy Policy Destroy Bush's Polical Capital (The Hill 11-10-05) 4. Reform prevents destruction of the pharmaceutical industry (New York Sun 12/20) 5. Pharmaceutical companies k to combat biopower (Bailey 11-27-01, Open secrets.org, 6. Bioweapon attack, global extinction (OCHS 02, "Biological weapons must be abolished immediately" www. Freefromterror.net) HARVARD Rd 1 NEG Harvard vs. Cap and Trade (Wake Forest aff) CHINA China Has Limited Economic Growth - Economist 8/21/4 The main reason is that around 70%...economic growth could grind to a halt Plan Incorp with China - Stewart and Wiener, Reconstructing Climate Policy, pg 11-13 Accordingly, we urge a third option: that the United States... into the World Trade Organization MPX Econ growth ' US conflict - Mearsheimer, Sept/Oct 2001 (Foreign Affairs) The second scenario would...a more formidable superpower Nuke War - Straits Times 6/25/00 The high-intensity scenario...destruction of civilization China economy key to its military NY Post 6/1/99 How are we to make...you weaken its military Chinese econ dowturn leads dependence on others SC Morning Post 11/2/02 Apparently oil-rich islands...the value of the yuan RUSSIA Russia economic is booming and exchange rates are stable Prime-TASS 8/11/2004 Over the pass few years the fixation.. .post-1998 crises C/A 1AC goes global US Part Makes Russia Hot Air leads to Dutch Disease Destabilizing exchange rates Victor, 2001 (Climate Change 49, Pg. 63) Exchnge Key to the economy - Vedomosti 8/19/2002 (Banking and stock exchanges. Finance. Economics) Foreign trade conditions...the CB's ex-chair says Nux War - David '99 Trade DA US non-involvemtn is carbon key to driving down the value of international permit trading - Varat, 2003 (UCLA Journal of Law & Policy) One reason that Kyoto...close to zero, probably US Collapse leads to war - McKibben, 98 (May) A second problem with...to developing countries (no cite, guessing google able) MPX Nux War - Copley News Service 98 S.S DA Increase budgt defecit means no social security reform - Chattanooga Times Free Press 1/2/05 The president is also...with congressional priorities Plan o/b on defecit ' social security - Cramton, 2002 (www.cramton.umd.edu/papers2000-2004/02ep-tradeable-carbon-permit-auctions.pdf_ S.S. leads to depression - Waelti, July 14, 2003, Capital times, The third, least obvious...there for future generations MPX Nux war - Lewis 98 Comodification K Commodification of the environment through trade leads to extinction - Tokar, 1996 (http://www.puaf.umd.edu/courses/puaf741/notes/7-Acid/trading_away_the_earth.html Without admitting the underlying..all the earth's inhabitants Turns the case - Beder 2000 (www.uow.edu.au/arts/sts/sbeder/liability.html) Economic instruments are...or value-based change Immigration Bush Pushing Immigration Reform - wont pass - LA Times 1/18/05 Even as President Bush...to develop Bipartisan Legislation Political Capital Key - LA Time 1/18 In an interiew published...expenditure of capital Plan Increase - the counterplan doesn't - Dallas Morning News 4/22/4 "The differences between Bush and Kerry...as their pocketbooks Increase the number of immigrants - American '4 Stops population control - Nowak August 3, 1993, FDCH Perhaps most important, many of... own population growth Nux War - Ehrlich, 1990 (The Population Explosion, pg. 174-5) The population explosion..globla environment CP - Do the Cap - not the trading Trading doesn solve stops innovation - command and control best Drury, Spring 99 (Duke Environmental Law & Policy Forum) Understanding whether pollution trading has a...innovation and emissions reduction SOLVENCY Trading Kills Innovation Driesen, Fall '98 (Boston College Environmental Affairs Law Review) Emission trading in the...but politically difficult, change. Innovatin Key to solve Driesen, Fall '98 (Boston College Environmental Affairs Law Review) Avoidance of innvation would...for the coal and oil industries Trading Undermines Monitoring and enforcement Driesen, Fall '98 (Boston College Environmental Affairs Law Review) Emissions trading also..non-trading program Enf and monitoring and enforcement Stanford Law Review Journal, January 01 Once market participants are...finance these costs Emissions Trading Won't solve - Overestimation of Reduction Akers, 2001 (Hastings West-Northwest Journal of Environmental Law and Policy) Other critics of emissions trading have...the actual reduction Markets power undermines solvency Weiner, January 1999 (Yale Law Journal) Third, restricting the quantity of... could seek to depress prices Even if Permit trading has worked in other areas-greenhouse means it will fail Green, 1999 (RPPI Policy Study #252) Chapter 2 explores the most...approach to climate change INTERNATIONAL TRADING They don't solve - Russia Hot Air stops innovation Driesen, Fall '98 (Boston College Environmental Affairs Law Review) Permit Regimes stops diffusion, Drezko, 1996 (Harvard Environmental Law Review) Having evaluated the need... to desirable levels Diffusion is the most important aspect Drezko, 1996 (Harvard Environmental Law Review) The final stage...and international levels International trading causes an incentive to cheat - Frischmann, 01 (13 Geo. Int'l Envtl. L. Rev. 463)the dilemma begins with...limited state funds) Sovereignty stops effective verification Llobet 98 (George Washington Journal of international Law & Economics) Concerns about national ... on these grounds) Weak International Monitoring means no solvency Victor, 2002 (The Sciences, 3/22) And all that is just the..same minefield-instantly Emissions trading undermines internaional environment law - collapses free trade Driesen, Fall '98 (Boston College Environmental Affairs Law Review) The issue of what...solutions to them Harvard neg vs Emory Rd 3 Social Security Bush will get SS reform Boston Globe 1/20/05 "the only question...see it through" Bush can win SS reform if he can lobby effectively Fred Barnes, exec editor of weekly standard Yahoo News "Is a bipartisan coalition required"..."democrats break ranks first" Plan opposed by FF lobby The Nation 8/16/04 "nevertheless, the current low goals...around the issue" Econ Regs are reviewed for cost-benefit analysis before implementation, fiat creates cost blind regulation that is disasterous for the economy Robert v. Percival, 1997 U Chi Legal F 159, "regulationary evolution and the future of environmental policy" lexis "since 1981...industry's objections" Env regs have spillover effects that devastate all sectors of economy William G. Laffer, Feb 16 1993 www.heritage.org/research/regulations/bg926.cfm Reg Neg Normal means is command and control reg, which is distinct from regneg Mark Stach 1997 22 iowa j corp L 621 "during the past...the negotiations" Regneg facilitates consensus decisions quickly that are legit and enforced Phillip Harter, 1997 46 Duke L. K. 1389 "the most well developed of these techniques"..."most valuable" CP restores bizcon nullifies backlash Stach '97, above "the cost of complying...environmental regulation" HARVARD neg vs. Dartmouth Regulatory Negotiations RUSSIA High Oil Prices key to the Russsia Economy National Interests, 2003, Summer The improved appearance...economic crises Russia Decline Cuases War, David '99 BUSH Social Security - Same Dissad as Previous Round ECONOMY Stable Growth Now - Yalen '5 Plan Hurts Business Confidence - Something 2000 COUNTERPLAN Missed Counterplan text - It was The Plan without the mandated Cap and without the one year time limit Regulations that result from negotiations are often more stringent than the initial proposal Philip Harter, 97 (46 Duke L.K. 1389) The rules that emerge...emphasizing them here Negotiated Rulemaking change the psychological orientation Jody Freeman, 2000 (75 N.Y.U.L. Rev 543) Perhaps this form of...those of others Reg Neg takes little time Harter 82 (71 Geo. L.J. 1) Rulemaking by negotiation can reduce...theoretical data Only Open-ended negotiations can create an atmosphere of participation Jody Freeman, June, 2000 (75 N.Y.U.L. Rev 543) STEALTH K Negotiated Rulemaking reverses the technocratic authority of administrative power Werhman, 1996 (1996 U. III. Rev. 423) Just as the NPR sought to...more acceptable Deliberative Democracy engagement on consumption is necessary to avoid extinction Plumwood, 1997 www.arbld.unimelb.edu.au.envjust/papers/allpapers/plumwood/home.htm As ecological and human problems...its ecological relationship Fiat of Plan locks in agency rulemaking Stern, '2 (63 U. Pitt. L. Rev. 589) The goal of reasoned deliberation...expensive procedural artifice C/P spills over into a reorintationthat allows communicative emancipation Rubin, 2001 (149 U. Pa. L. Rev. 711) IN his recent book, between...establish channels Interaction B/w Agencies and the populace define the citizenary's retlations with the admin state Rubin, Jan, 2001 (149 U. Pa. L. Rev. 711) Both legally regulated and...treatment for themselves Ethic of the c/p means vote neg Eckersley, 2004 (The Green State, p. 127-8) Even if we don't achieve a consensus - vote neg for ethic Eckersley, 2004 (The Green State, pg 130) Participatory decision-making is the only alternative to global war Scott and Fishman, October 26, 2004 (www.zmag.org/content/print_article.cfm?itemID+6498§ion ID=41) MICHIGAN STATE Rd 2 NEG MSU vs. Cap and Trade- CAL BERKELEY Competitiveness We are outpacing everyone - AZ Republic 8/29/4 As with its athletic...the rest of the field Alt caus - education - Islam Online 12/3/'4 The Us restriction place on granting.. the weekly maintained B. tax reform Investor's Business daily 10/5/4 The United States still...thereby hurting Competitiveness not key to the economy or heg Chandrasekhar & Ghosh '03 http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CHA209B.html Second this persistence...well during those years Renewables not key to competitiveness Jepma, 98, Climate Change Policy, didn't list a page # Conversely what often makes up...dominant for decades to come Europe cant out compete US - internal barriers Financial times '04 (6/4) You don't have to swallow...Spain can levy OIL Their studies are flawed - fossil fuel use sustainable Fumento 04 www.techcentralstation.com052704F.html Let's get a little...worrisome as this Efficency solves Kanovsky '3 www.meforum.org/article/527 In fact, there is no indication...the extraction of oil Gold's Theory Disproves Bennet '04 Wwww.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38645 By the late 80's...Corporations, Houston, Texas Consense airs neg Bradley '99 www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa341txt.pdf Screwed No matter what www.seaspower.com/EnergyCrises-Bearden.htm The 2003 date appears...collapse and Armageddon WARMING Nothing you can do will solve warming Michaels, '01 (www.cato.org/dailys/07-31-01.html) The "New Kyoto" replaces...warming by 288 days China won't cut emissions - they value economic growth Cooper, '99 (Georgetown Int'l Environmental LR) It is clear from...by the year 2000 China will produce 40% Cooper, '99 (Georgetown Int'l Environmental LR) Despite China's...countries' emissions reduction Nanotech solves case Its inevitable - multiple factor Marlow, 2004 (http://johnrobertmarlow.com) The benefits those able...can nanotechnology not happen? Solves Warming-cleans c02 Drexler and Peterson, '91 (www.foresight.org/UTF/Unbound_LBW/chapt_1.html) In Earth's atmosphere...in the year 1800 Negative feedbacks compensave for warming Idso's, '4 (co2science.org/about/position/globalwarming.htm Strong negative climatic feedbacks...C02 content TOPICALITY A. Consumption means heating or Power - EIA 2004 (www.eai.doe.gov/glossary.glossary_e.htm Energy consumption...manufacturing process B. Plan is emissions C. That's bad 1. Limits and ground 2. Vaccume Test 3. Extra T - tradable permits isn't T 4.Grammer 5.Qualified souce D. Voter COUNTERPLAN - THE USFG should establish an upstream, granfathered, cap and trade system with a cap that reduces domestic non-governmental carbon emissions from fossil fuels to below 1990 levels by 2012 Removing Auction solves the c ase with political anger or harm to industries Goulder, 2004 www.stanford.edu/~goulder/Bozenberg-Goulder-Gurney%20paper.pdf To the extent that...and "downstream" Federal Auction use a price discrimination that sets the price too low, prevents innovation Fordham Environmental Law Journal, 2000, Spring Congress Intened the EPA...is unrealistically low Auction Price Signals are so inept that any hope of innovation is gone Stanford Environmental Law Journal, June 1996 EPA designed the auction to be...price confusion Effect of Grandfathering and Auctioning are the same Vesterdal, '04 www.esei.purdue.edu/pccrc/Publications/lit_club/vesterdal.pdf With regard to the...resource allocation Grandfathering solves just as well Bohm, 02 www.ne.su.se/paper/wp02_11.pdf Permit prices and incentives...distribution only Same tag as above Allen consulting group 00 (www.greenhouse.gov.au/emissiontrading/publications/pubs/allocation_permits.pdf It needs to be clearly... in Figure 4.1. Grandfathering doesn't hurt efficiency Center For Clean Air Policy, '99 www.ccap.org/pdf/5allocation/pdf Grandfathering will have no adverse... in each case Basing Permits on 1990 stop companies from icnreasin Pollution for larger allocation - soves Rent seeking Boemare, '02 www.ucd.ie/pepweb.catep/Papers/boemare.pdf At last, before... in the United States Auctions Link to Rentseeeking Allen Consulting, 00 (www.greenhouse.gov.au/emissiontrading/publications/pubs/allocation_permits.pdf Furthermore, Cranton and Kerr...affected sectors Auctioning Permits creates Cash Flow Problems for Industry (www.greenhouse.gov.au/emissiontrading/publications/pubs/allocation_permits.pdf A major equity...intense and localized The Undermines R and D - key to renewables Steeger and Rueter in 97 (Costs of Kyoto 1997 The economic and social costs...and unemployment), no page number listed Auctions Harm Business - Require them to restrict supply Goulder, 2004 www.stanford.edu/~goulder/Bozenberg-Goulder-Gurney%20paper.pdf The degree to which environmental...affected parties Cap and Trade Schemes Hurt the Economy Inhofe, 2003 www.serve.com/Linconheritage2/Articles/The_Adress__Aricle_Search/Adress_Articles_sinces_1997/Address__1997___Energy/Inhofe_Speech_-_Page_1/inhofe_speech_-_page_1.html As to the broader...and "workers" Cap and trade hurts growth withouth producing renewables Electric Utility Week, march 8, 2004 The cap would attempt... to reduce emission in the future Auctioning Kills Business Confidence and Competitiveness-Grandfathering Key Key www.greenhouse.gov.au/emissiontrading/publications/pubs/allocation_permits.pdf Greenhouse gas abatement...creation in Australia Grandfathering C02 won't be biases against new firms Merchant, 1992, Environmental law, Winter Second, while it is true that...under the CAA Allowing Existing Firms to Benefit More Does Not Hurt Solvency Merchant, 1992, Environmental law, Winter Furthermore, there are several...than an auction Grandfathering Doesn't Hurt New Firms Center For Clean Air Policy, '99 www.ccap.org/pdf/5Allocation.pdf Policy makers are frequently...not to their ongoing activities Grandfathering Permits Don't hurt New Firms - 2 Reasons Allen Consulting Group, '00 www.greenhouse.gov.au/emissiontrading/publications/pubs/allocation_permits.pdf If markets are perfect, the argument...leave the market Auctioning Creates Fears of Competitiveness Losses www.greenhouse.gov.au/emissiontrading/publications/pubs/allocation_permits.pdf This Causes Protectionism American Spectator, '2 (March Protectionism is always...appeal for help PROMETHEUS Auction leads to Recycling and the Political Agenda - Cramton and Kerr, 1998 ("Tradable Carbon Allowance Auctions: How and When to Auction," March, Center for Clean Air policy) pg 10 Auction revenuce can replaces...create efficiency gains Fuels Project Prometheus - Aviation Week and Space Technology, 9/27/'4 Project Prometheus takes...to hold its breath MPX is Nuclear Disaster - Grossman, 2003 http://zmagsite.zmag.org/Apr2003/grossmanprint0403.html Gagnon says: "Serious...into space Impact is Extinction - Grossman 2003 http://zmagsite.zmag.org/Apr2003/grossmanprint0403.html The Columbia shuttle...Global network Space weaponization spurs global arms race Robb, 1999, Washington Quarterly, Winter In a secondm more...graver consequences This Kind of Accident Kills everyone Grossman, 1997 (The Wrong Stuff, Page 13-14) Plutonium, man-made element...toxic nuclear poison NASA Budget Tight Now Flight International 1/4'/05 NASA Begins the year...off the ground Prometheus Accident Inevitable Grossman, 1997 (The Wrong Stuff) pg 225 With Cassini on the horizon...sensible, possible Space Militarization causes nux war Mitchell, 2001 (www.isisuk,demon.co.uk/0811/isis/uk/bmd/no6_paper.html A buildup of space...conflict ever seen US is key, international co-operation can prevent space, US weapon increases insecurity Johnson, 2003 (www.acronym.org.uk/space/rejintro.htm) Those who argue...case of America Weaponization not inevitable - other nations want to draw the line ABC News.com 2004 www.military.com?NewsContent/0,13319,FL_space_033104,00.html Theoretical benefits of space weapon's won't work - costs outweigh DeBlois, 2004 (International Security) Finally, the article considers space...antisatellite capability Space Weapons can't protect US satellites Deblois et al, 2004 (International Security, Fall) Denial and Deception...450 kilometers Space weaponization undermines US military effectivenss and supremacy Krepon, 2004 (www.armscontrol.org/act/2004_11/Krepon.asp If Rumsfeld's plans...minimum of causualties Space weaponization undermines US alliances, leads to arms race, stops nonprolif Krepon, 2004 (www.armscontrol.org/act/2004_11/Krepon.asp If the Bush administration does...nonproliferation accords Delay will use influence to ensure excess goes to NASA New Scientists 12/25/'4 Not to wory...moon and mars NASA will be the target for excess revenue Aviation Week, 11/29/'4 But it remains to be seen...meet cost growth NASA is an administration favorite - they'd be targeted Ventura County Star, 12/17/'4 The white house is telling...3 percent annually POLITICS Class Action Will Pass - Requires Political Capital Washington Times 1/10/'5 Also look for some early... will become law Auction is Unpopular Cramton and Kerr, 1998 (Tradable Carbon Allowance Auctions: How and When to Auction, march, Centerfor clear Air policy, pg 15) In contrast, the main..indirectly affected sectors Class Action Key to Bioweapons - Washington Times 1/17/03 But these assertions by.. -right away MPX Is Extinction - Steinbrenner 97 (Dec 22, Foreign Policy, pg 85) Although human...its outer limit Key to the Economy - Business Insurance, 1/3/05 Excessive litigation is one... enacted during 2005 MSU VS Harvard Rd 4 COUNTERPLAN Procurement and R&D subsidies are less effective than the plan - posner judge of the US court of appeals and lecuturer at chicago law school 2k4 - Richard, catastrophe, Risk and Response, p. 159-60 - "Subsidizing research on measures to control global warming might seem more efficient than a technology-forcing tax because it would create a direct..." AT: subsidies cp - Kemp, researchers at Maastricht economic research institute on innovation and technology, 11/26/99 (http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:jsbpCDfvwLkJ:www.few.eur.nl/few/research/ocfeb/pret/steering%2520of%2520technical%2520change2.doc+%22innovation+waiver%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8) - "economic incentives such as taxes and subsidies provide a too weak and indirect stimulus." Tech promotion by itself fails - reducing GHG emissions requires brining tech to the market - Claussen, 6/16/04, www.pewclimate.org, "Energy efficiency, Climate Change, and our Nation's Energy Future - "we need a policy that will draw the technologies into the marketplace." Tech advancement not sufficient - Wirth, april 97, USIA Electronic Journal, Vol 2, No. 2 - "The availability of low carbon technologies is a prerequiresite for, but not a guarantee of, the ability to reduce greenhouse gas emissions at reasonable cost." Reg lead to adoption of new tech - Richard and Jonathan, Reconstructing Climate Policy, pg. 57 2k3 - "the appropriate new technologies will nto be developed and adopted unless market actors, including both producers and consumers, have an incentive to demand and adopt them." Subsidies don't solve - kemp same cite as before - "the conclusion that emerges from the different studies is that investment subsidies were only of limited effectiveness in promoting the diffusion of environmentally beneficial technologies" Stricter regulations induce comparative stronger innovation . Biz invest when forced to, increases competativeness and reduces long term costs - Adam Jaffe Prof @ Brandeis NBER 95, Journal of Economic Literature Vol XXXIII March, pp. 132 - 63 - "under stricter environmental regulations, some regulated firms will benefit competitively" International Subsidies create perverse incentives that cause increased pollution - Winer, prof law duke, jan 99, yale law journal - "abatement subsidies have the crucial drawback that they involve actual payments to pollution sources to cover the costs of abatement. Such payments generate perverse incentives for increased pollution." The CP allows the US to change Kyoto and get others on board - Paul Roberts, Harper's Magazine, The End of Oil: A perilous new world, 2004 p. 325-326 - "a new U.S. energy policy would send a powerful message to the res o fthe players in the global energy economy." KYOTO Emissions trading allows the United states to derail Kyoto by creating a parallel program - Pomeroy, Env Reporter for Reuters, 10/1/04, http://www.enn.com/ch_clim.html?id=9 - "Washington should take a lead in confronting global warming - although he also says it is too late to sign up for Kyoto." The international community will follow the US, they will agree to alt. Kyoto - Environmental News Network 11/6/00 http://www.enn.com/about_enn_main.html - "an international community concerned about climate change and pepared to convene for a conference in the Netherlands appears to be waiting for the United States, the world's leader in carbon emissions, to come up with a plan to curb the crud." A global climate regime incrementally growin gout of dom policy will compete w/ Kyoto - Bodansky prof Law Washington, Fall 2001 National Interest - "the United States should decide what it is willing to do domestically, and then examine the ways that itnenrnational process can help support these efforts." Bush is hell bent against Kyoto - Bulletin's Frontrunner, June 12, 2001 - "Bush made clear today that he had no intention of revrsing his opposition to a global warming accord supported by the European leaders he will meet with this week." NEG Cp text:the usfg should redirect all fossil fuel subsidies to renewable energy, shift all usSg fossil fuel investments abroad to the Global Environmental Facility, earmarked for renewable energy assistance to Developing countries, require non military federal entities to make 7.5% of their total energy purchases from renewable sources by 2010, implement a natl net metering program, enhance department of energy renewable energy research and development commitments from $500 million to $733 million, and reinstate the highest prioriy existing credits and incentives for renewable energy and energy efficiency as per the Daschle and Bingaman recommendations in the 2003 energy bill debate. The USFG should subsidize protective suits being developed by DuPont and fully fund Dupont to ensure destruction of chemical and biological weapons. All renewables will be clean, non fossil fuel based sources. All necessary funding will come from cuts in agricultural subsidies. Ending US FF investments in dev countires S warming: US inv creates more emissions than china India, brazil and mexico combined Daphne Wysham 4-17-01 Institutes Policy Studies, Ascribe Newswire Shifting investments abroad solves warming and renewables same cite Renewable energy assistance solves deve countries better than permits Thomans Schelling June 02 Foreign Affairs Cutting FF subsidies cause emissions to decline way below Kyoto levels Norman Myers 01 Perverse Subsidies S oil and renewables Tufts climate Initiative o4 Net metering k to renew Financial Times 8-10-04 S ghousegases warming and renew Valerie Faden 00 Widener journal of Public Law S oil same cite Renewable RnD suprs renew, S warming and oil Antonia Herzog December o1 Environment US ulateral renewable rnd S US climate cred and EU anger Wysham o1 Federal procurement of renewable tech lt economies, shfts natl market away from FF Stronberg and Singh o1 solsice.crest.org/repp_pubs/articles/pv/4/4.html "government purchases ... will lead to increased private parket demand, which in turn will encourage the technology's manufacturers to increase production levels and capture new economies of scale.: R+D and tax incentives solve renew by spurring private invest and creating predict Herzong o1 Eliminating FF subs S renew Richard Ottinger spring o2 Environmental Law, Pace Law School Cuts in FF subs spur renew funding same cite Solves economy Murray Weldenbaum July 98 USA today Subsidy shift spurs renew, S emission reductions Financial times 12-18 -04 Cutting FF subs solves GHG emissions Cena Swisher 11-24-97 Taxpayers for Commonsense V2 Shifting FF inv Abroad to renew solves warming Wysham o1 US spends 250billion on farm subsidies Anuradha Mittal 02 Food First online Bingaman-daschle proposal. Rod Franklin 10-4-02 T: military reliance on FF locks in dependence only a shit to alt energy checks future crisis Lawton and Andrews 99. almc.army.mil/alog/issues/JulAug99/MS406.htm "little or no effort is being directed toward developing and using alternative energy sources. This is a shortsighted plan that leaves the Army vulnerable..." Gvt purchases of products seeds the market and causes an economy wide shift-emp prove Scot Case october 02 govpro.org Fed procurement spurs renewables through demonstration effect DOE o1 "by demonstrating effectiveness, feasibility and value of these products and services, Federal agencies provide a model for other government purchasers as well as the private sector" Military already uses renewable energy Satish Sharma 6-15-04 eere.energy.gov/femp/pdfs/re_goals_workshop_phili_sharma.pdf The Army is reducing its use of FF now Financial Times 10-8-03 "the development is a sign of an increased focus bu the U.S. government on using alternative fuel systems to power the country's military" AT: plan replaces Kyoto 1ac ev concedes in part they don't read Bodansky 2002 ceip.org/files/pdf/policybrief15.pdf "such and agreement could coexist with Kyoto because it would simply provide supplementary actions and mechanisms," Won't hurt Kyoto in short term and will merge in long term Stewart and Wiener 2003 Reconstructing Climate Policy: Beyond Kyoto p 132 Not a turn Kyoto doesn't do anything w/o the US Bohringer 02 Energy Journal Heg: hard power is the K determinant of global ldrship Nye 02 the paradox fo American power p7 " Military strength k Khalilzad 95 Kyoto crushes military readiness: limits training, forces military to choose energy efficiency over military effectiveness, allows military espionage during inspections Brett Schaefer 97 heritage.org "Jeopardizing US military readiness... Gaffney ...pointed out this mandate could have several serious consequences" Kyoto lt deforestation: forest plantations for carbon credits cause deforestation and species loss Alternatives sept 01 Kyoto causes global forest destruction and species loss cuz deforestation doesn't incur carbon debit Greenpeace oo Carbon sinks cause massive deforestation, up emissions, delay transition to renewables "respiration will increase faster than co2 uptake and forests are likely to start returning their carbon to the atmosphere at a faster rate" Kyoto pushes species over the brink to ext and causes massive deforestation cuz of carbon sink plantations Greenpeace oo Forests k to solve ext Miguel Santos Environmental Crisis 1999 p 35-6 New compromises at Kyoto allow plantation projects Chicago tribune 6-25-02 Kyoto requires inclusion of carbon sinks in determining emissions levels Angela Antonelli 2000 Heritage.org Kyoto will include carbon sequestration Tim Cadman 00 greenpeace.org/~climate/sinks/ Kyoto killsl readiness and pwer projection 4 reasons Gaffney 97 Washington Times 9-16 Specifically: w/drawal from japan Gaffney FDCH 5-18-98 Greener military technology takes too long costs a lot trading off with another military spending, and forces premature retirements of key equipment crushing readiness same cite Clean military technology can't come on line in time to prevent decline in readiness Washington Times 1-2-98 Kyoto crushes deterrence cumulative drains on readiness create perception of US weakness inviting aggression Gaffney 98 Air power link: independently causes air force shortages Gaffney 98 US air power k to deter cfct in korea India-pak SCS and the Persian gulf khalilzad and lesser 98 Sources of Conflict in the 21st Century "Regional Conclusions and Implications for the USAirforce AT: EU counterbalancing Europe won't balance Mead 2004 Power terror peace and war p 191-2 EU can't balance too high of a dependency ration Niall Ferguson Foreign Policy Jul/Aug 2004 Europe cant' agree on common military won't be unified and will rely on NATO Brooks and Wohlforth Foreign Affairs August 2002 AT: Kyoto will never pass not unthinkable Newsday 6-1-04 Plan lt Kyoto ratification Marlo Lewis 6-16-04 National Review Plan causes powerful business to lobby for Kyoto, changes ptcal calculus Lewis 10-21-03 Emission cap spur Kyoto ratification Lewis 11-4-03 Mor ev Lewis Paril 02 online alec.org Emission cap create slippery slope to Kyoto ratification lewis o2 9-25-02 Plan ups support for Kyoto ratification Chemical Engineering 10-1-01 MSU 1NC vs Emory Bus Con Bus con - decline in BC = full econ spiral LAT 9/8/4 "convincingly rebounded from the summer's soft patch... not a lot of ammunition to fight back with" Regs destroy BC - Pollack 98 The Tax Lawyer p. lexis "incur significant economic costs.... Under the federal environmental statutes" Impact is 1AC econ T Extra T A Interpretation - Affs can only require reduction in fossil fuels, and then defend post-plan which replacement emerges. Fiated replacements go beyond the scope of the topic. First - fiated replacements circumvent the market - meaning it's not energy policy. Gregg '3 Energy Policy Act of 2003, http://gregg.senate.gov/statements/sp112003.pdf "we have essentially picked a winner, ethanol... didn't fly because it was so heavily subsidized" Second, they're a program, not a policy Moynihan, 1970, The Public Interest, Summer, p.90-91 "countless things went wrong... Programs relate to a single part of the system; policy seeks to respond to the system in its entirety" B. They violate: C. Reasons to Prefer First - limits. They de-limit to specific products - including dozens of reactors or gas blends. There's hundreds of energies they could push -- jacking predictability. Second - Fairness. They rob core arguments on where the market heads after fossil fuel reductions. And, Affs like Nano and Lunar Hydrogen push the topic to non-central advantage areas - like space colonization. Third - Topic Two. In direct contrast to this topic, that wording had an including clause that required replacements. That wording got smoked in the voting. Fourth - Grammar. All of the words after "energy policy" are functionally an adjective that describes the kind of energy policy the Aff is allowed to be. They clearly go beyond that scope. Grammar outweighs or else artificial limits would reign. D. It's a voter - fairness, and other remedies make the 2NR impossible. They'd have an inventive to skew the 2NR by forcing us to extend Extra-T args that just get us back to square one. T Require = mandatory Total consumption = term of art Illegal for total to increase Offsets VI T- Generation Generation - terminal plan flaw - the plan requires "generation" change, not "consumption" Generation not equal consumption - Michigan court case Ferry '2 The Harvard Environmental Law Review "Pennsylvania's statute provides...from the customer through a competitive transition charge" No guidance what is sign reduction of consumption in context of generation Net metering proves our distinction Ferry '2 "Net metering allows consumers with small generating facilities... and the meter turns backwards" Perm the procurement CP Delays into the market Grammar key - VI Politics Space program moving forward - congress support and Bush push Shaw, Orlando Sentinel, 1.18.5 "Early next month, Bush will unveil his... we need some better economic numbers as well" Requirement of Plan costs PC XX Space plan key to prev extinction - moon base Jenkins, WSJ, 1/14/4 "The president lays out his space plans today.... And behave (and evolve) as humans)" CP TEXT: The United States Federal Government should establish production tax credits for the construction of Gas Turbine-Modular Helium Reactors to be made available and annually increased until nuclear power constitutes at least fifty percent of non-governmental electricity generation. The United States Federal Government should establish a depreciation period for capital investment in nuclear power plants of seven years. The United States Nuclear Regulatory Commission should adopt the following reforms (as cited in or Kovan evidence): (1) Design certification for gas turbine-modular helium reactors; (2) early site permits and (3) combined construction permits and operating licences. We get to clarify intent. NRC adopt different standards for citing/requirements Federal incentives solve the case - shift to self-sufficient nuclear power Albuquerque Journal 9/21/4 "nuclear power industry needs a federal subsidy... climate in potentially dangerous ways" NRC reforms solve - Kovan '3 Nuclear News Jan "Noting that the NRC should encourage.... In the process as feasible" Solves NIMBY Kovan '3 "The good news is that industry has done a good job of gaining... future nuclear plants" Case NG market solves shocks NG price inev decline Econ can deal with shox Prices will decrease BLOCK T Require Abuse - all FF based lit is decrease Grammar of the res - at least one decrease 2x in next two decades Doing the math - means the plan doesn't actually cut Insufficient to solve for the pop growth - not an actual decrease Solvency arg - more gallons of the NG still price shox - 100% solvency takeout Not a decrease in consumption - actual decrease not a percentage decrease Not going EP No links to decreasing FF because you don't Our interp good - do the cap and a decrease in consumption T version of your aff - other cases actually do a cap - decreases the total amount of consumption Phaseout means actual increase Grammar key to research and ground XT non-predictable ground Core ground of the decrease T Generation Ferry ev - plan text flaw - math means three outcomes to the plam - not change FF - massively cut FF without nuclear Can't mean it comes down to the demand Penn case decided it's an important distinction Net metering means just over produce Legality question Unfair blueprint for change Don't even know what the plan does - bad for strategies No ev that specifies generation in the context of consumption Cap means mandates don't necessitate this cap CX doesn't clarify CP NRC reg reforms - solves all market certainty Siting restrictions won't prevent NP - bipart proves Congress says NP popular Utility sector not competitive Localize monopolies can pass it on No solid defense of require - generic Annually increasing incentives NEI 2004 ev they read says they want stimulus for investment - that's the CP We solve depreciation NIMBY ev below 2NC CP CARDS CP solves and avoids DAs Jaccard 2, Journal of Busn. Admin. And Policy Analysis 1/1 "the voluntary approach.... uncompetitive sector are higher" CP spurs a nuclear renaissance Nucleonics Week 9/23/4 "would lower first-time construction costs" Tax incentives solve Nucleonics week same above "with the right set of financial incentives to offset" CP solves regulatory uncertainty Fertal FDCH 3/4/4 "this uncertainty has a chilling effect on capital formation.... Or in upgrading existing" Hardline requirements worse for utilities Lesser Public Utilities Fortnightly October '4 "Consider the second and third questions... inevitably raising the cost of capital" Their Taylor article concludes neg (not sure the cite - it's not on here): "the final analysis, the nuclear industry is purely a creatore of government... put away its nuclear pompoms" Incentives solve Numark and Terry 03 Public Utilities Fortnightly December "the hope of overcoming hesitation on Wall Stree and in power company boardrooms... production incentives or to keep a balanced mix" State level incentives solve air pollution Numark and Terry above "Carbon constraint,s or financial incentives... especially for baseload generation" Financial Inventives for nuclear power overcome effectiveness of Antinuclear Opposition Augusta Chronicle 1/17/5 "zealotry has for years stalled construction of new reactors... to build new nuclear power plants" Nuclear Power will build in current sites - solves public acceptance White and Haffenreffer 11/11/4 CNN Marketcall "So there is a sense on the industry's part that since... believe there's an issue, the... in my backyard" New plants have massive public support NEI Insight June 4 "Nuclear Energy has majority support across the board.... Build more nuclear power plants in the future" p.2 Tax breaks for nuclear power are bipart World Markets Analysis 2004 5/12 "The measures passed were uncontroversial aspects of the bill... presidential election this November" Utilities sector hates mandatory action - like non-required schemes Greenwire 10/20/97 "the utility industry... maximized the voluntary programs yet" PICs Only do xT parts of plan Lit in 1AC Prove aff's a bad idea Lit checks proves not trivial Defend the word require Defend the whole plan DA don't outweigh case Not inf regr - built in PIC in plan text Neg on theory - world view Increase education Quality plan writing Neg never win Perms check Spec ev checks Michaels ev assumes loopholes not building of NP - we are sufficient XX No ev assumes continuing increase in incentives Production tax credit means hand out money until build nuclear power - best way to jumpstart the industry The CP is bipart XX Utility sector hates mandatory action but likes the CP XX Spec L on politics Rest of the cards all generic - not specific to the utilities sector Reg certainty - CP solves this - plan makes new regulations and uncertainty Shake up nuclear industry - our ev is specific Cards are a double turn with the 1AC Politics Bush pushing space plan now, including nuclear propulsion Nouston Chronicle 1/15/5 "Friday that the White House will offer increase funding to reinforce its support for the plan... on the moon and Mars" Space key to competitiveness Risley 99 Western State University Law Review "Access to space is critical not only to our... cannot afford to be left behind" Space solves heg Neal. Where Next Columbus? 94 p.198-99 NORTHWESTERN Northwestern BM (neg) v. MSU HV rd 1 T Substantial - substantial = Kyoto targets, that's 30% Railroad DA A. Railroad industry strong now - ag shipments incrasing - Fair Disclosure Wire, 7/29/4 "Operating revenue increased...Mobile line since we acquired it last year" B. Ag shipping essential to economic viability - Laur, FNS 3/31/98 "We appreciate the opportunity to testify as the grain shipping...percent of the revenue earned" C. Regulation of railroads cripples their investment potential - investment key to railroads Hamberger 99, FNS 3/2 "and re-investment are fundamental to providing world-class service...should be run by railroaders, not bureaucrats" D. Economic Collapse - strong rail key to the economy - Ficker 3/31/4 FDCH "the ability of American manufacturers to compete in a world economy...transportation of their goods" E. GNW - Bearden 6/24/00 "we forsee these factors...biosphere, at least for many decades" F. Heg - Freight rail key to readiness and forward power projection Korpanty 99 Army Logistician "Tell any mechanized maneuver commander he has to fight... supports strategic rail mobility" G. Heg key to prevent GNW Khalilzhad 95 Washington Quarterly K 1NC A. Railroads are a critical element of shift towards openness and away from a rigid identification of otherness Adler 77 www.mediate.com/articles/adler3.cfm "is an attractive and persuasive notion...emergence of our multicultural person is just such an innovation" B. This exclusion of otherness is the root cause of all genocide and violence Pawlikowski 3 www.jcrelations.net/en/?id=1995 "Haas created what appeared to many as a scientifically valid ethic... sexism or religious fundamentalism" CP 1NC Text - The United States Federal Government should establish an energy policy requiring an 80% phase-out of non-governmental fossil fuel consumption in the following practices in the United States by no later than 2012 - the operation of agricultural machinery, food transportation by road, air or water, and pesticides and pertilizers. The plan will be carried out by the United States Department of Agriculture. We get to clarify intent. Competition - CP precludes the possibility of the plan restricting the use of fossil fuels in railroads, which is the link to all of our disads. The plan will necessarily have an effect on railroads - they ship 40 percent of all agriculture. Hamberger FNS 3-2-99 "Bulk commodities... transload centers on a competing railroad" Solvency - Our CP solves the whole case - the elimination of FF use in pesticides and fertilizers would eliminate industrial ag all by itself. Also, efficient distribution of crops is essential to reducing hunger. Only our CP can accomplish this. Van Der Gaag 2K www.newint.org/issue323/keynote.htm "The corporations defend their position by saying...guardians of the land" 2NC Diesal Turn 1. fuel price spikes (a) Diesal fuel prices decreasing - Traffic World 12/7/98 "diesal fuel prices have been trending lower...cents per gallon in the Midwest" (b) shift to biodiesel would substantially increase RR costs - Automotive industries 5/1/3 "the fuel is not readily available... biodiesel would be extremely costly" (C) increasing fuel prices kills railroads Traffic World 12/7/98 "contract diesel prices paid by railroads...more harm than good" 2. Biodieels doesn't work in locomotives and would cause a massive shut-down in winter - AgWeek 01 (4-30) "limited research has been conducted into using biodiesel blends...want to take a look at first" Northwestern neg (Round 5) vs Berkeley 1NC TOPICALITY American Heritage Dictionary 2k - www.bartleby.com/61/88/PO538800.html "NOUN: a participle... ...function as a verbal adjective." RIGHT TO POLLUTE KRITIK Plan sells lisences to pollute - this justifies destructive corporate behavior cuz establishes pollution as a right as just more item to be bought and sold Robert Goodin, 1994, Kyklos, ebsco "There is no need to give... ...such intrinsic moral values." Impact- justifies profitability outweighing eco concerns enabling monopolistic trading- extinction Tokar, Institute for Social Ecology, 1996 "Dollars and Sense." 3-4 "The results of emissions trading... ...unchallenged pursuit of profit." The effects ripple through society turning case Jonathan R. Kelman, 1981, "Framing Effects and Regulatory Choice: The Case of Environmental Regulation." American Law & Economics Association Annual Meetings, Year 2004, paper 53, 12-15 - Article by J. Nash "A. The "Right to Pollute" Critique... ...resistance to environmental laws" POLITICS- TORT GOOD Massive congressional opposition to permit schemes Washington Post, 10/31/03, l/n. "The Senate rejected a proposal... ...polluters to meet their targets." Political capital key to tort UPI 1/5 "The House of Representatives has... ...the climate is changing." Tort key to stable smallpox vaccines supply - they would kill research base Alan Miller, 11/3/4 - CNNFN "MILLER: All right, let's... ...of are they contaminated?" Smallpox vaccine key to stop attack Paul Ewald, 12/17/1 www.ph.ucla.edu/epi/bioter/riskypolicysmallpoxvac.html "Perhaps most important, voluntary... ...to deter their use." Kills all of US and triggers fatalities Veronique de Rugy and Charles Pena, 4/18/2, www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa434.pdf "The Smallpox Threat... ...be examined and evaluated." Extinction John Steinbruner, 12/22/97, Foreign Policy, l/n. "That deceptively simple observation... ..its outer limit." NATURAL GAS DA Natural gas prices won't spike in the squo Daily Oklahoman, 12/14 "The January futures price... ...going to be the topside." Plan causes another spike - CAA caused first one VOINOVICH, 3/24/4 - FDCH "In regards to demand... ...carbon dioxide emissions." No slack in capacity of natural gas - plan skyrockets prices BEST, 2/25/3 FDCH "The natural gas industry is currently... ...the demands of the market." Increased gas consumption causes supply crunch - EIA forecasts prove Bezdek and wendling, 2004, public utilities fortnightly 4.142, p 43 "Certainly, the recent run-up... ...in only two years." High prices kill US economy - turns competitiveness Bezdek and wendling, 2004, public utilities fortnightly 4.142, p 43 ""Despite all the type in... ...the nation's industrial sector." R&D CP CP TEXT: The United States federal government will establish a program of renewable energy research and development that includes the following: tax incentives and credits for renewable energy development substantial increase in basic science research subsidies arrangement of credit and temporary financial guarantees to renewable energy developers engagement of the private sector in public/private renewable energy research and commercialization initiatives, including laboratory/university/industry cooperation. The Department of Energy will implement these programs. Overall responsibility shall be granted to a single person reporting directly to the Secretary of Energy. Department of Energy staff skills should be strengthened by training and rotating external staff. These programs should undergo external private peer review every two years. The Energy Analysis program will be refunded at $6 million per year. The United States federal government will propose parallel and cooperative multilateral research and development initiatives with interested countries. Each country's contribution will be contingent on the total level of participation. Funding will be supplied by redirecting fossil fuel subsidies. We'll clarify. CP creates a private sector scramble towards renewable development - even a few successes will snowball throughout the global economy Marco Verweij, Apr 3, www.mpprdg.mpg.de/workshop/MarcoVerweij.pdf "The literature on innovation... ...cost beneficial immediately." Other countries will participate in collaborate R&D - better way to access LDC participation than the plan Scott Barrett, Nov 2k1, www.aei.brookings.org/policy/page.php?id=21 "The knowledge obtained from... ...emissions more cheaply." R&D solves better than binding caps - ensures a more stable transition Jeffrey Rachlinski, U. Ill L Rev 299, 2000 "The best source of a remedy... ...climatologists are mistaken." This solves Europe adv - R&D best restores US climate leadership Thomas Shelling, May/June 2002. Foreign Affairs. "Eventually, to bring in... seriousness about global warming." SOLVENCY Permits undermine competitive impulses toward innovation - they lock in the squo and create perverse incentives against innovation Time Jenkins et. Al, June 2001. www.foe.co.uk/resources/consultation_responses/industrial_use_energy_foe.html#Conclusion "To be a workable... ...stressed by ACBE." Monopoly turn - Dominant firms will refuse to sell permits to new sources - creates a significant barrier to entry and undermines new firm creation Julia Reinaud, 2003, www.iea.org/dbtw-wpd/texbase/papers/2003/cop9invdec.pdf "Under "exclusionary manipulation".... ...Union for example)." Permit scheme causes incentive NOT to trade - companies won't sell renwables because diffusion of tech will decrease value of permits Barbara Rippel, 11/25/97, www.consumeralert.org/pubs/Study/ets.htm "Advocates of emissions taxes... ...the ton of emissions." Permits decrease incentive for future pollution reduction - encourage polluters to resist future reduction in order to hoard permit and generate revenue David Driesen, 2003, "Economic Dynamics of Environmental Law" p 63 "Increased reliance on emissions.. ...have to encourage innovation." NEG BLOCK GAS PRICE DA Gas prices kill domestic chemical manufacturing, which is key to domestic energy efficiency and info tech - it's the number one threat to us chem. Producers GUPTA. 2003. FDCH. 3/19 "The current price of natural gas... ...than combusting them for energy." Impact ripples through economy and undermines infrastructure GUPTA. 2003. FDCH. 3/19 "The $460 billion business.. ..security are deeply compromised." Chemical industry keyto nat secutiry, military innovation, and industry growth Frederick L Webber. Nov 14, 2k1. http://epw.senate.gov/107th/webber_1114.htm "First, our industry is a critical... ...for their survival and growth." Extinction - laundry list Chemical and Engineering News, Dec 6, 1999 Vol 77 No 49 "The pace of change in today's... ...ameliorating bioattacks," Ember writes." Plan kills refining - can't expand supply Oil Daily - 3/24/2004 "SAN ANTONIO - Refiners face a host... ...in 2016 to 1990 levels." Link threshold is low - simple mistake at a single reserve cost a billion a few weeks ago Natural Gas Week 12/13 "Following the Energy Information... ...and futures, he said." Northwestern neg vs Harvard Northwestern Neg A. Topical cases must regulate the burning of fossil fuels into energy We have definitional support Consumption means the direct and immediate destruction of an economic good Words and Phrases 1960 (vol. 9, consult-contriving, p.22) "Consumption is the use of economic goods resulting in the dimiution or destruction of their utilities." This has been held too be the best statutory definition of consumption in the context of fuel Fisher, Judge- Supreme court of IL. 1942 (Spetember 21, 380 Ill. 226, 241 LN.) Emphasis is placed upon the meaning of the word "consumption" ass used in the statute and particularly as appied to theose particles of building material such as sand, gravel and cement, whose separate iodentity destroyed in the process which the contractor applies. B. Production is NOT consumption- the consensus of the permits literature supports our distinction C. Dr;. Frances Sussman, June 2004, www.ccap.org/pdf/emissioncaps.pdf A key decision affecting coverage of affiliated enterprises will be whether to fucos on upstream emitters (eg operations at or near the point of fossel fuel generation) or downstream emitters... They don't even set a cap on the physical availablility of fossil fuels in the US, their plan text only sets up a production cap, this means that after the plan, we couldjust shift to the consumption of fossil fuel imports Tim Hargrave March 1998 www.ccap.org/pdf/upstpub.pdf The accounting treatment, which is consistent with that established by the Intergovernmental panel on climate change, could lead to international oil market distortions. Vote Negative 1- Limits- the aff allows for intervention anywhere in to the fuel cycle, they allow for cases like ban ANWR drilling, ban oil refineries, or even ban cars, our interpretation foces the aff to directly regulate consumption 2. Ground- our core disads and cps stem off tof regulations on consumption- they rob us of the upstream CP and core links to demand destruction and regulations on UTILITIES, these arguments are crucial and god-given negative ground on this topic. 1NC Tort Reform A. Tort reform will pass, rising health care costs and Bush effort will get it through B. Donald Lambro, 1/10 Washington times Republicans start this session with a beefed up majority in the senate, which democratic filibusters have often turned into a graveyard. Upstream permits uniquely spur congressional backlash-makes permits carry the political baggage of an energy tax- a gybrid system avoids the link Masurec, June 2002 www.ppionline.org/documents/co2/0602.pdf For all its theoretical advantages, an upstream system for controlling carbon and other greenhouse gas emissions has yet to pass the rest of political feasibility. A. Uniqueness B. B- Plank kills political capital C. 2. Political capital is crucial to tort reform passage, it'll be tough fight but Bush will persevert UPI1 1/15 The house of rep. has passed medical tort reform before only to see it languish in the senate. Bush, following his re-election, boasted of the political capital.... D. Tort reform is crucial to stable smallpox vaccine supply- failure destroys US disease research base Miller 11/03/04 (CNNFN) Miller: all right, let's take the flue vaccine, and I'm not going to discuss theoverall, because I don't really have an opinion as to what't in his mind. But I think that he certainly thinks.... Strong smallpox vaccination base is crucial to prevent an attack Erwald, 12/17/01 www.ph.ucly.edu/epi/bioter/riskypolicysmallpoxvac.html Perhaps most important, voluntary vaccination could prevent a smallpox attack from occurring. A Smallpox attack would destroy the entire United States and trigger massive waves of fatalities Veeeronnique de Rugy and Charles Pena, CATP 4/18/02 www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa434.pdf The smallpox threat a bioterrorist attack could come in one (or more) of many forms (plague, smallpox, or anthrax, for example)... Impact is Extinction- Seinbruner, Brookings 12/22/1997 (Foreign Policy) That deceptively simple observation has immense implications. The use of a manufactured weapon is a singular event. AT: Have to monitor more entities 1. This assumes a purely downstream approach, the CP only regulates utilities and big industrial boilers downstream, at this point the downstream approach is just as verifiable and stimulates more efficient price signals, extend Mazurek and Hargrave 2. your effieciency impact is nebulous and irrelevant, even authors who concede the efficiency difference note that it makes little difference in the long run CCAP June 1999 www.field.org.uk/PDF4%20incidence.pdf There two pure solutions are both higly unlikely, of course. Ultimately, from an efficiency perspective.... 3. Other existing regulations will dampen efficiency benefits of upstream permits CCAP same The efficiency benefits associated with comprehensive coverage in an upstream system would be reduced by existing PAM's 4. You can't quantify your shitty efficiency impacts, they're offset by reductions in market power and not enough to significantly impact permit regime Festa, April 1998 www.ccap.org/pdf/wwwdown.pdf In any system, it is important that the number of entities and associated amount of data be limited so that the administrative burden and the accounting system are manageable but plentiful enough so that there is menaningful trading. Northwestern CP 1NC Hybrid system solves better than the case - minimizes administrative costs and sends a more effective signal in favor of innovation Mazurek June 2002 www,ppionline.org/documents.co2_0602.pdf "a purely upstream approach may cost less and control more.... Unregulated sources" CP closes down loopholes and prevents permit evasion - the paper trail requirement is feasible CCAP 99 www.field.org.uk/PDF/4%20Incidence.pdf "From an efficiency standpoint... and energy information" CP prevents resale or fuel hiding CCAP same as above "Strategic Behaviour.... Not just that combusted" Paper trail solves the wholesaler loophole without imposing large transaction costs (a) Fuel producers would develop accounting systems - these would only need audited aggregate data to solve (b) Allowance surrender is infrequent, giving firms time to adapt to audits Hargrave June 2K www.ccap.org/pdf/Hybrid1.PDF "A third method would have the government.... Found out of compliance" The CP spurs greater innovation in the electricity sector - utilities respond more effectively to direct regulation than to price signals Hargrave 2K "An earlier paper in this series.... A downstream model" 2NC CP Solves Better 1. Prices signaling - utilities and big industry respond better to direct regulation 2. Consumer Blash a. CP is crucial to avoid it - shields consumers from the perception of rising fuel prices Cooler Heads Coalition 5/28/3 www.globalwarming.org/article.php?uid=513 "the authors found that a downstream program... Reduction efforts" b. The impact is psychological backlash - the plan breaks down the motivation for compliance Alter 2K www1.oecd.org/puma/refref/pubs/Compliance/pdf "A series of studies of the effects... abandoning selfregulation" c. Only positive behavioural change can solve the case - otherwise noncompliance is inev Ryan 97 www.neopolitique.org/Np2000/Pages/Essays/Articles/antitrust.htm "Braybrooke pointed out that the desires...economically responsible" 3. Permutation confuses the regulatory process - providing multiple sources of regulatory codes destroys efficiency and causes industry frustration Collier June 2K www.selfregulation.gov.au/publications/TaskForceOnIndustrySelf-Regulation/DraftReport/report.pdf "the great majority of cases the nature of any.... Delving into different products and services" 4. Hybrid approach establishes more predicatble and precise market signals Pholobert and Reinaud June 2K4 www.iea.org/dbtw-wpd/textbase/papers/2002/trading.pdf "a hybrid approach to greenhouse gas emissions... allocation for the upstream segment" 5. Hybrid system solves - motivates widespread GHG abatement Zhang 98 www.chinaenvironment.net/papers/zhangzhongxiang2.html "national trading systems could be.... Content such as natural gas" AT: Can't track fuel Tax accounting proves it is feasible - already segregate by destination Festa 98 www.ccap.org/pdf/wwwdown.pdf "the following conditions must be met.... Used in the transportation sector" Gas distributors have a clear understanding of fuel destination Harvrave 2K "Moving the allowance requirement downstream to gas distributors would mean.... In the trading system" The CP regulates coal use downstream - little coal used for non-industrial purposes Hargrave 2K "Accounting for coal in a hybrid system would be.... Will be captured downstream" WAKE FOREST Wake CH neg RD.2 - northwestern BM aff neg report OIL DA Market promoting smooth transition to cleaner energy sources as the price of fossil fuels gradually increases, solving case Henry linden, 97 (http://ecolloq.gsfc.nasa.gov) In this presentation, it will be shown that the global OPEC will flood with cheap oil - causing price collapse CJ Campbell, 3-20-2000 (oil and gas journal p.20) Norway and mexico offered to cut production US conservation drops prices Hillard Huntington, 94 (contemporary economic policy p.44) In theory, us conservation can have a negative US most important Market force Morse and Richard, mar-apr 02 (foreign affairs, p.35) On of the hidden aspects of the relationships Renewables cannot remain cost-competitive with low priced oil Michael renneris, 2-6-3 (UPI) Sustained low prices would critically undermine Low prices encourage consumption worsening pollution Peter coy, 11-3-97 (clean air in an era of cheap oil) The expensive oil of the 1970s Supply depletion caused by low prices = nuclear conflict Robert paehlke, 89 (environmentalism and the future of progressive politics p.240) Declining oil prices Steady transition away from fossil fues to renewable energy in the SQ CSM 10-22-4 With the price of oil hovering T - require Requiring a reduction in total consumption means legally mandating a reduction in use Requiring means legally mandating OED 89 Lawrence Livermore, 4-1-1 (www.llnl.gov) Reduction in total means reduction in aggregate Words and phrases vol 42, 1952 p.5 Violation: plan doesn't legally mandate reduction in fossil fuel use - only that the precautionary principle be used - they have the wrong object of the requirement BIZ CON Biz con and economy strong now St louis post dispatch 1-9-3 If your focus on the negative news, you might think Bush rejects reductions in FF consumption - protecting the oil and gas industry Washington post, 9-26-4 The president is not interested n dismantling the system Limiting coal with increase energy prices - no tech to fill-in Domenici, may 04 (economic perspectives, 9:2) First, I believe diversifying our energy portfolio High enery prices crush the economy Kojima akira, 12-3-1 (journal of Japanese trade and industry) oil and natural gas prices have been soaring CP avoids this Andrew Kenney, 7-14-2 www.ourcivilsation.com But if al gore had won and given Entire economy perceives new regulations as the beginning of anti-business campaign Peter Schwartz, 92 (confronting climate change: riskts, implications and responses) p283 There are many impediments to environmental Nuclear war Mead, 92 What if the global economy stagnates Counterplan We ask you to affirm that: the United states federal government should sue the precautionary principle as the criteria for formulating and implementing regulations on the non-governmental consumption of fossil fuels except coal in the united states such that precautionary measure apply even if some cause and effect relationships proving harm to present or future human and non-human communities can not be established scientifically. CASE Decline in growth collapses democracy Huntington, 91 (the third wave: democratization in the twentieth century) p293 More specifically, a general international Allies mean we will remain in the middle east even with no oil Brookings review, 3-22-2 Third, it is misleading to attribute Environmental interest groups exaggerate Lomborg, 8-15-1 (the guardian) A second source of misperception Democracy is strong - Bruckner, the new republic, 7-19-4 On the one hand, this movie and the success Multiple checks protect demo Julia black, 90 (iowa l.rev.767 The united states constitution sets forth a system Coal key to warming Worldwatch institute, 8-25-99 Hastening coals decline is imperative Co2 key to food production Idso and idso, 10-01 (www.co2science.org) And we still fell that way Climate change increases biodiversity Moore, 98 (climate of fear: why we shouldn't worry about global warming( 96 Warming prevents ice age - extinction Business wire, 2-14-91 Global warming may be needed in order to prevent Air pollution declining Joel Schwartz, 9-1-3 (heartland institute) Liberal environmental activists and regulators Egalitarianism demands utility: consequentalism precludes zeroing out anyone Dworkin, 77 (taking rights seriously) 274-5 Utilitarian arguments of policy Util only way to avoid discounting individuals Winslow, 82 (triage and justice) 83 If this method seems cold Ignoring consequences is moral evasion - inhumane to cause more suffering Kai Nielsen, 93 (absolutism and its consequentailaist critics) 170-2 Consequentialism of the kind I have been arguing Ecosystem recover from human damage Douglas bouche, fall 96 (science and society) 283 Humans have been able to drive thousands Wake Neg Round 3 - vs Dartmouth Aff 1NC BIZ CON Biz con and econ good now St Louis Post Dispatch, 1-9-5 - "Will the economy improve in 2005?" F07. l/n. "If you focus on... ...feel about the economy" Bush rejects reductions in FF consumption - he is protecting the oil and gas industry The Washington Post, 9-26-04. p B06. l/n. "The president is not interested... ...always come first." Auto industry hates feebates Dale Marshall, Oct 2000. www.policyalternatives.ca/bc/opinion60.html. "The response from the ... ... evaluate their validity" Reducing consumption kills economy Ross Gelbspan, December 95, Harpers Magazine. Vol 291 Is 1747. "The Heat is on" p. 31 esbsco "That resistance is understandable... ...and scientific findings." Economy perceives plan - it ripples Peter Schwartz, 1992. Confronting Climate Change: Risks, Implications, and Responses, edited by Irving M. Mintzer. P 283 "There are many impediments... ...towards environmental issues." Biz con key to stop recession John Braithwaite, March 2004, The Annals of the American Academy of Political and Social Science, 592, Annals 79, l/n. "The challenge of designing... ...this day (see also Barbalet 1993). Global nuclear war Walter Russel Mead, New Perspectives Quarterly, Summer 92, p 30 "What if the global economy... ...Japan did in the '30s" 2NC cards on biz con Any carbon regulation makes Kyoto levl cuts inevitable Marlo Lewis, Nov 4, "Launching the Counter-Offensive: A Sensible Sense of Congress Resolution on Climate Change," www.cei.org/pdf/4286.pdf "Ostensibly "moderate" proposals... ...for mandatory reductions." Cutting CO2 emmissions causes depression Thomas Gale Moore, 1998, Climate of Fear: why we shouldn't worry about global warming" www.stanford.edu/~moore/Climate_of_Fear.pdf p. 143-4 "The Clinton administration had... ...avoid meeting treaty goals." Feebates' uncertainty Transportation and Climate Change, 1999 http://dsp-psd.pwgsc.gc.ca/Collection/M22-132-16-1999E.pdf "The results of the... ...are difficult to predict" Auto industry hates feebates Portland Press Herald, Maine, Dec 4 2004. "Some proposals are sure... ...has jurisdiction over emissions standards" car companies hate feebates cuz feebates crush 'em Allen Meyers, Green Left Weekly, 1997, www.greenleft.org.au/back/1997/284/284p26.htm "Factor Four contains more... ...the death of the measure." Plan leads to a drop in oil prices- turning case and wiping our auto industry Erik Ness, Jan 1 2005. OnEArth l/n. "This demonstrates both the... ...with the engine running." OIL PEAK 1NC Oil won't run out - our ev is better than yours is Curtis Rist, 6/99, Discover "Why We'll Never Run Out of Oil" "Back in 1973, some... ...Supply lasting a millennium." Oil is inorganic and inexhaustible Chris Bennet, 5-25-4. "Sustainable Oil." www.wnd.come/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38645 "An intriguing theory now... ...factor of over 100." Transition now, plan derails it Bob Williams, Aug 2003. Oil and Gas Journal "Even without subsidies market... ...markets and economic aid" current market forces promoting a transition to clean energy Henry Linden, 1997 "Pathways to a Sustainable Global Energy System" http://ecolloq.gsfc.nasa.gov/archive/1997-Fall/announce.linden.html "in this presentation... ...affordable energy services." Opec floods market CJ Campbell, 3-20-2k Oil and Gas Journal p 20 "Norway and Mexico offered to cut... ...which they utterly depend." US conservation drops price of oil empirically Hillard Huntington, 1994, Contemporary Economic Policy p 44 "In theory, US conservation... ...US oil import bill." Massive consumption makes US the most important market factor Edward Morse and James Richard. 2002. Foreign Affairs, March/April p 35 "One of the hidden aspects... ...growth in U.S. demand." IRAQ High oil prices key to iraq reconstruction The Edge (Malaysia) 7-26-4 "At the same time... ..and war reparations." Failure at reconstruction destroys US credibility and global war Adam Garfinkle, July 28 2003. National Review. l/n. "As trouble goes, that's... ..this is really trouble." CASPIAN Low prices kill pipeline in caspian Geoffrey Kemp, June 1, 99 "There is no doubt... ...for alternative energy sources." Baku Ceyhan pipline key to US credibility Llewellyn Howell, USA Today 3-1-99 "For a combination... ..puzzle might suffer." Russian unilat dominance of the Caspian region ensures global nuclear war - us investnemtn and coop is key to prevent neo imperialist Russian expansionism Ariel Cohen, Jan 25, 1996. "The New "Great Game": Oil Politics in the Caucasus and Central Asia, www.heritage.org/library/categories/forpol/bg1065.html "Much is at stake... ...for cooperation in Bosnia" COMPETITIVENESS Competitivness theory wrong - we don't' need to be competitive in every area Paul Krugman, 1994, "Competitiveness: A Dangerous Obsession," Foreign Affairs, Mar/April Vol 73, Is 2. "How can this be... ..rhetoric of competitiveness asserts." US a renewable leader now Spencer Abram, June 25, 4, FNS "DOE research and development... ...the United Kingdom combined." US companies will develop renewables on their own if they are so great Marlon Lewis, US Today, 11/1/4 "It argues that, unlike... ..costs, not lower them." US tech competitiveness is up Adam Segal, Nov/Dec 2004. Foreign Affairs. "Is America Losing Its edge?" www.foreignaffairs.org/20041101facomment83601/adam-segal/is-america-losing-its-edge.html "At the moment... ...of the world's total." Free riding solves case and avoids turns Robert L. Bradley. 8-27-97. Cato Policy Analysis No 280. "Renwable Energy: Not Cheap, Not "green"," www.cato.org/cgi-bin/scripts/printtech.cgi/pubs/pas/pa-280.html "today's renewable export industry... ...foreign taxpayers or ratepayers." Japan and Europe already won competitiveness battle - plan can only worse the squo by eliminating SUV advantage Paul Roberts, 2004. "The End of Oil: On the Edge of a Perilous New World." P 264 "In Detriot's case, for... ...a half Honda Insight hybrids." Plan extend government power and kills liberty - must preserve freedom Tibor R. Machan. 2002. Liberty and Hard Cases. P xii-xv. "Yet as Robert Higgs.. ...for such demagoguery abound." Death is better than life without liberty Joseph Raz, 1986, The Morality of Freedom p 307 "One way to test... ...can be better than that life." HIGHWAY DA High way construction now with funding Western Builder, 19-9-4 "Spurred by continued.. ...rising construction costs." Interstate highway system key to hege Wendell Cox and Jean Love, "40 years of the US interstate Highway system: an analysis the best investment a nation ever made." June 96. www.publicpurpose.com/freeway1.htm#def "one of the principal... ...in the post-cold war era." Plan crushes the interstate highway system - takes away gas tax money that is necessary Subcommittee on Highway and Transit, 7-16-2, www.house.gov/transportation/highway/07-16-02/07-16-02memo.html "Under TEA-21, the amount... ...growth of our country." Wake neg vs MSU rd 7 1NC Backstopping 1. Transitioning from FF now (Christian Science Monitor 10/22/04 "With the price of....Energy Policy Project in Washington") 2. Plan -> OPEC flooding market (Campbell 3-20-2000, Oil & Gas Journal , pg 20) 3. US conservation decreases price of Oil (Morse and Richards, Foreign Affairs March April 2002 p. 35) 4. Turns Case: rapid supply depletion caused by low prices causes nuclear conflict (Paehlke , Environmentalism and the Future of Progressive Politics, pg 240) 5. -> Nuclear Conflict 6. Low oil prices crush Caspian Pipeline (Kemp, June 1, 1999, Nixon Center Middle East Policy " There is no doubt that there are......and the enthusiasm for alternative energy sources" 7. Baku Pipeline K to US Credibility (Howell,USA Today, 3-1-99 "for a combination of....puzzle might suffer" 8. Khalizad Biz Con 1. Biz con strong now 2. Bush rejects FF consump reductions now (The Washington Post 9-26-2004 p. B06) 3. Decreasing consumption->decreases global consumption, destroys global economy (Gelbspan, Harpers Magazine, Vol 291, Issue 1747 "The Heat is on" Pg 21)4. Entire economy views new reg as start of anti biz campaign (Schwartz, Confronting Climate Change: Risks Implications and Responses, pg 283 1992) 5. Recession 6. Mead Card A spec T REQUIRE A: Interpretation. Requiring a redution in total consumption means "legally mandating a reduction in total" 1. Requiring means legally mandating (oxford English dictionary '89) and (Livermore, National Laboratory, Environmental Safety and Health Manual, April 1 2001, www.llnl.gov) 2. Reduction in total means "reduction in affregate, or 'sum total'" (words and phrases, vol 42, 1952, p 5) B: Violation: d/n cap total consumption, just agriculture, consump could increase in other areas C: 1. Ground 2. Total K 3. Limits and predictability D: Voters Water wars 1. No Solvency, no modeling 2. Never been a water war (Wolfe)3. Alt cause, population pressures 4. Water conflicts are a myth 5. Many factors 6.no risk of monocultures Ag Advantage 1. US Ag competitive now 2. Case -> Biodeisel 3. Biodeisel bad 4. Plan destroys Ag industry which leads to food price spike 5. US exports K to global food 6. Food price spike kills millions WTO Protectionism 1. WTO Lib will succeed now (Eyal, Korea Heraldd, Nov 22 2004 "but this is pure nonsense......president is able to deliver)2. New environ reg sparks protectionism (Feketekuty 93) 3. Environ regulation derails Doha ( LA Times, Aug 8 2004, pg M 4) 4. WTO w/ collapse w/o progress in Doha (Financial Times, Sept 9, 2003 "Japan is little more than....they are ready to pedal a lot faster") 5. N War (Copley News Service, 99) 6. Sust Ag destroys land 7. Modern Ag -> Erosion 8. High Oil prices K to diversification 9. Low prices increases vulnerability to shocks 10. High Prices d/n hurt Econ 11 No Risk oil will run out From privethedge Wed Jan 26 06:49:48 2005 From: privethedge (Duane Hyland) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 04:49:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [eDebate] I need to Hire A Judg3 Message-ID: <20050126124948.92859.qmail@web50907.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, If you live in the DC Metro area and are not going to Navy this weekend, but would like to make some money judging a couple of rounds of high school debate, please let me know as soon as possible. Duane "You may be whatever you resolve to be." Thomas J. Jackson" "If all mankind minus one were of one opinion and only one person were of the contrary opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that person that he, if he had the power, would be in silencing mankind? If the opinion is right, they are deprived of the opportunity of exchanging error for truth; if wrong, they lose, what is almost as great a benefit, the clearer perception and livelier impression of truth, produced by its collision with error." John S. Mill --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20050126/e8e30342/attachment.htm From debate Wed Jan 26 09:31:48 2005 From: debate (debate at ou.edu) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 09:31:48 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] Clarification - NDT Quals Message-ID: <247b27e0765a.41f76384@ou.edu> Hello, I was seeking some clarification. I would have asked at our meeting in Waco, but did not find out the situation until now. I have a student that is a senior. Only needs one class to graduate. Is enrolled in three hours. We do not have scholarships. According to the following rule, does he have to enroll in more hours to be eligible. "To be an eligible debater for the National Debate Tournament, a student must provide, by February 8th to the NDT committee chair, an official document from appropriate university officials verifying that he/she is registered as a full time or degree seeking undergraduate student and is in good standing at the school, for which he/she is participating, as of February 1st immediately preceding the NDT in which he/she wishes to participate. " I am unsure of the meaning behind the "or degree seeking undergraduate student" and if this scenario applies. Thanks to anyone who might help me here. thanks to those who helped me out on my last eligibility question. Peace, Jackie From bsumekpk Wed Jan 26 09:59:58 2005 From: bsumekpk (pete bsumek) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:59:58 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] looking for ada vice pres. Message-ID: <81b1578d.c4c64a2c.faba600@mpmail1.jmu.edu> please contact me asap. thanks you. Pete Bsumek, Ph.D. Assistant Professor/Dir. of Debate 341 University Blvd. CISAT Modular Bld., Room 100 MSC 2106 School of Communication Studies James Madison University Harrisonburg, VA 22807 (o) 540-568-3386 (h) 540-433-9302 (c) 540-421-4105 (f) 540-568-6059 From berchnorto Wed Jan 26 11:11:40 2005 From: berchnorto (NEIL BERCH) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 12:11:40 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] WVU entry update #2 Message-ID: Here's the current list. Entries still expected from Capital, Miami (Florida), Georgia State, James Madison, New York Coalition, Binghamton, Rochester, and Navy. Others welcome, too. Entry deadline is next Tuesday (the 1st), but even updated estimates from those schools would help. And if you need hotel help, let me know. --Neil Berch West Virginia University 16 teams in Varsity. 10 teams in Junior Varsity. 10 teams in Novice. 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From i_pastrana Wed Jan 26 12:48:44 2005 From: i_pastrana (Israel Pastrana) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:48:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [eDebate] SFSU MN or BL Message-ID: <20050126184844.30305.qmail@web40703.mail.yahoo.com> yo could one of ya'll bc me por favor? i'ves got a cite request. gracias parliguy SWC --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20050126/da711b7a/attachment.html From bodonnel Wed Jan 26 13:14:15 2005 From: bodonnel (O'Donnell, Brett M.) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:14:15 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] 2 Position Announcements-Liberty University Debate Message-ID: <0EE32D049567794FA08AE220A11F45310314E93A@dopey.University.liberty.edu> Position Announcement Liberty University Debate Faculty Assistant Debate Coach Liberty University invites interested individuals to apply for the job of Faculty Assistant Debate Coach to start August 1, 2005. This is a faculty position (rank dependent on qualifications and degree) that includes day-to-day responsibilities over the activity of a competitive policy debate program. The faculty assistant coach is responsible for assisting the director and other members of the coaching staff with managing team research, the development of team strategies, the development of individual debate and research skills of team members, the coaching of novice, junior varsity, and varsity debaters, traveling to tournaments, listening to and critiquing practice debates, recruiting, and assisting in the hosting of the Liberty University Debate Tournament. University duties also include teaching two courses per semester in area of expertise (past and current faculty coaches have taught in Communication Studies and in Philosophy Departments). Teaching at the Liberty University High School Debate Institute is optional. Qualifications: Applicants should have a M.A. or Ph.D. degree and significant knowledge of and experience in policy debate. Applicants should also be in basic agreement with the general religious positions of Liberty University. Applicants will be considered without regard to age, marital status, sex, race, natural origin or handicap. Salary: The Assistant Debate Coach is a faculty position that includes all benefits afforded to the faculty of Liberty University including health care coverage, 503 (c) retirement matching program, life insurance, and continuing education funding for classes at Liberty or another university. The salary for this position is commensurate with experience and qualifications per ten months with the ability for additional salary income from the Liberty University High School Debate Institute. Interested applicants should submit a vita and letter of application by May 1, 2005 to: Brett O'Donnell Director of Debate Department of Communication Studies 1971 University Blvd. Liberty University Lynchburg, VA 24502 For more information contact: Brett O'Donnell, Director of Debate at (434) 582-2080 or e-mail at bodonnel at liberty.edu Liberty University is a religiously oriented, private, coeducational, comprehensive institution. Position Announcement Liberty University Debate Assistant Debate Coach Liberty University invites interested individuals to apply for the job of Assistant Debate Coach to start August 1, 2005. This is a staff position that includes day-to-day responsibilities over the activity of a competitive policy debate program. The assistant coach is responsible for assisting the director of debate and other members of the coaching staff managing team research, the development of team strategies, the development of individual debate and research skills of team members, the coaching of novice, junior varsity, and varsity debaters, traveling to tournaments, listening to and critiquing practice debates, and assisting in the hosting of the Liberty University Debate Tournament. Teaching at the Liberty University High School Debate Institute is optional. Qualifications: Applicants should have an undergraduate degree and significant knowledge of and experience in policy debate. Applicants should also be in basic agreement with the general religious positions of Liberty University. Applicants will be considered without regard to age, marital status, sex, race, natural origin or handicap. Salary: The Assistant Debate Coach is a staff position that includes all benefits afforded to the faculty and staff of Liberty University including health care coverage, 503 (c) retirement matching program, life insurance, and continuing education funding for classes at Liberty or another university. The starting salary for this position is $17,500.00 per ten months with the ability for additional salary income from the Liberty University High School Debate Institute. Interested applicants should submit a resume and letter of application by May 1, 2005 to: Brett O'Donnell Director of Debate Department of Communication Studies 1971 University Blvd. Liberty University Lynchburg, VA 24502 For more information contact: Brett O'Donnell, Director of Debate at (434) 582-2080 or e-mail at bodonnel at liberty.edu Liberty University is a religiously oriented, private, coeducational, comprehensive institution. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20050126/78a1e04a/attachment.html From delliott Wed Jan 26 14:58:34 2005 From: delliott (Darren Elliott) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:58:34 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] Jordan Mills or SWC Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.1.20050126145731.01b52418@kckcc.toto.net> Can Jordan email me--and if he isnt on edebate can someone at SWC get him in touch with me. Thanks, Chief From delliott Wed Jan 26 15:02:22 2005 From: delliott (Darren Elliott) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:02:22 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] Calling all C.C. Debate Programs Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.1.20050126145840.01c5b1b8@kckcc.toto.net> This is an email to try and solicit the names of coaches/directors and contact info for them if they have policy debate programs at their Community Colleges. An NCA panel made aware that there are a number of Community Colleges participating in Policy tournaments who are not necessarily members of CEDA or the AFA or NDT. If you are such a person or have contact info for those folks could you please forward that my way? Thanks, Chief Darren Elliott Chair of CEDA Committee on Retention and Recruitment Director of Debate Kansas City Kansas Community College From arlee1 Wed Jan 26 15:09:31 2005 From: arlee1 (adam lee) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:09:31 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] 2 Position Announcements-Liberty University Debate Message-ID: Preface: the following questions are not asked to accuse Liberty University or Brett of discrimination. i believe that i've had a rather good history of fairly adjudicating debates in which Liberty is involved, and have always found their debaters and coaching staff to be some of the more pleasant people in the debate community. These questions are based in legal curiosity, and potential subsequent discussion of what may be an important issue. If any of these questions are based on my own ignorance of the law i'd like to know... Liberty's position announcement includes the following statement in the section marked "qualifications" "be in basic agreement with the general religious positions of Liberty University". Is Liberty exempt from taxation and therefore the status of employer pursuant to section 2102 of Title 5? (i'm guessing probably not) or Is it the contention of Liberty University that by hiring one who's positions on religious issues fail to conform with its "general" views on religion, that Liberty would be "unable to reasonably accomadate to an employee's or prospective employee's religious observance or practice without undue hardship on the conduct of the employer's business." per Title 7? i think perhaps if this is their contention, a richer explanation of "general views on religion" is in order. Given the boilerplate following this statemnent in the position announcement, it would be my guess that Liberty intends to be in compliance with Title 7...lemme know. ok, now i have to go read for civil procedure, don't ask me why i'm reading edebate respectfully adam lee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If you need to get in touch with us please email me at this address (matt_moore85 at hotmail.com). You can also call us in the office. Ryan- 309-794-7717 Matt 309-794-7349. Novice and JV are both healthy divisions and the open division is close to being able to have a full octo bracket. Still hoping for a few more entries. Below is a site that will get you the information you will need if you are coming on Thursday. It has directions, etc, everything you might find in a tournament packet. http://users.augustana.edu/spmoore/tournamenthome.html Generally, everything is going great, and we are looking forward to having a larger tournament in all three divisions than we did last year. Remember that first price in the open division is a stainless steel viking helmet with horns. The picture of the award can be found at: http://users.augustana.edu/spmoore/fabulousprizes.html. We are also providing a special award for the top speaker in the open division named after Dorothy Ann Bjornson, the first woman in the final round of the NDT, who passed away last year. The award won?t help you in a raid against a village, but we hope it will be special nonetheless. Tournament Expansion: The tournament will now be housed in three buildings: Old Main, Denkmann, and Sorensen. We used Old Main and Denkmann last year, Sorensen is to the left of Old Main if you are facing the building. Registration will be in Old Main from 3:30PM to 5PM. At our current numbers we will have partial octafinals in open. We were hoping to get enough for the full bracket. If a few more entries come in we will be there. Judging: We are beyond tight on judging commitments. We would really appreciate it if judges can judge an extra round or two beyond their commitments. Hotel: Due to a few cancellations, there are apparently four rooms now available at the Best Western out of the block. Their number is: 309-762-9191, ask for Pam or Anna, Pam is our contact person during the day, Anna works after 5PM. They should know the status of the block. Weather Forecast: We are expecting highs in the low 30?s and low?s in the 20?s with snow showers on Saturday and snow flurries on Sunday. Please bundle up and be safe. If you are having any difficulties, call Ryan at (309) 794-7717. From delliott Wed Jan 26 15:51:53 2005 From: delliott (Darren Elliott) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:51:53 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] 2 Position Announcements-Liberty University Debate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.1.20050126154809.01c68b70@kckcc.toto.net> I wonder if this is analogous to Title 7 claims brought in Michigan? There is a University in Michigan (the name is escaping me but I recently met a Speech Professor from there during NCA) and this particular University is a private religious school which decided to turn down any Federal and State Aid so they did not have to comply with Title 7 or any other laws restricting or imposing employer-hiring practices on them. Their argument? They wanted to hire who they wanted (for many read whites only) when they wanted and are allowed to without penalty. Some "employers" then are exempt in some cases--not sure about the taxation argument advanced below though--interesting. chief At 03:09 PM 1/26/2005, adam lee wrote: >Preface: the following questions are not asked to accuse Liberty >University or Brett of discrimination. i believe that i've had a rather >good history of fairly adjudicating debates in which Liberty is involved, >and have always found their debaters and coaching staff to be some of the >more pleasant people in the debate community. These questions are based >in legal curiosity, and potential subsequent discussion of what may be an >important issue. > >If any of these questions are based on my own ignorance of the law i'd >like to know... > >Liberty's position announcement includes the following statement in the >section marked "qualifications" > >"be in basic agreement with the general religious positions of Liberty >University". >Is Liberty exempt from taxation and therefore the status of employer >pursuant to section 2102 of Title 5? >(i'm guessing probably not) > >or > >Is it the contention of Liberty University that by hiring one who's >positions on religious issues fail to conform with its "general" views on >religion, that Liberty would be "unable to reasonably accomadate to an >employee's or prospective employee's religious observance or practice >without undue hardship on the conduct of the employer's business." per Title 7? > >i think perhaps if this is their contention, a richer explanation of >"general views on religion" is in order. > >Given the boilerplate following this statemnent in the position >announcement, it would be my guess that Liberty intends to be in >compliance with Title 7...lemme know. > >ok, now i have to go read for civil procedure, don't ask me why i'm >reading edebate > >respectfully > >adam lee > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20050126/67517260/attachment.htm From vikeenan Wed Jan 26 15:56:19 2005 From: vikeenan (V I Keenan) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 21:56:19 GMT Subject: [eDebate] hybrids: questions about objections to Message-ID: <20050126.135625.23365.126313@webmail06.nyc.untd.com> thinking aloud . . . I understand the traditional objections to hybrids quallifying for the NDT,or even breaking at some tournaments. However, it has always seemed to me that those rules are formulated around an assumption to prevent "all star" teams which would unfairly (somehow) tilt the competitive pool. However, why should this same logic apply to scenarios where the hybrids are a result of teambuilding efforts to begin new programs or to facilitate programs that would not have the resources to compete otherwise? In this formula, where 2 schools are acting as one, under the same leadership and sharing the same budget (for some necessity, becasue it makes no logical sense to do it if you don't have to), why shouldn't the debaters be treated as part of the same "program". Or even more so, where one debater is the only compettior in their school attempting to begin a program,and some competitive success might be persuasive to t he administration. Given our concerns with GROWING the activity, and the assumption I'm making that Debate is good, therefore more people should do it if possible, Why can't we make distinctions in our rules or their applications between hybrid TEAMS (2 folks debate cause only option) and hybrid PROGRAMS (2 schools for a symbiotic relationship because uts the best way to foster debate)? Is there a way to structure the rules to allow for and encourage cooperative ventures that grow the activity, but still put restrictions on hybrids of "convenience" to avoid the perceived unfairness? thoughts? and one additonal note: given that part of the NDT's mandate is to foster and grow debate (at least I beleive that was the conclusion we came to based on t he charter - it's not JUST a tournament), and the recongnition that pursuit of quallification for the NDT DOES affect regional debate to an extent (see archives 10/04-11/04 and just browse), and that District qualifiers in some cases intereact with CEDA Regional tournaments and awards: Is it fair for the NDT rules to create a disincentive for teams to try and help grow the activity through hybrid programs? -VIK vikeenan at juno.com ___________________________________________________________________ Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/month -visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! From ccooper Wed Jan 26 16:09:12 2005 From: ccooper (Chris Cooper) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:09:12 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] 2 Position Announcements-Liberty University Debate In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.1.20050126154809.01c68b70@kckcc.toto.net> Message-ID: <000d01c503f3$aac06940$6a01a8c0@gracelinks.local> The issue is whether the university can claim the religious institution exemption to title 7. They can if they don't take any federal money. The tax situation is not really relevant as all religious institutions are tax-exempt and can still claim the exemption from title 7. An interesting question though.conservative and free market advocates always sue the argument that you don't need a government regulation to prevent this kind of discrimination because the free market will solve it itself. Discrimination on the basis of anything other than merit means that those institutions that do it will not be able to hire the best advocates and will fall behind those institutions that don't. Eventually, discriminating institutions will realize the error of their ways because they will find themselves less competitive versus institutions that do not discriminate. I think this is bunk.and when applied to an institution like the Liberty debate team, the fallacy of this theory becomes even more apparent. Chris Cooper Public / Media Relations Director GRACE - Global Resource Action Center for the Environment 215 Lexington Avenue, Suite 1001 New York, NY 10016 www.gracelinks.org 212-726-9161 --------------------------------------------- What is The Meatrix?? - www.TheMeatrix.com -----Original Message----- From: edebate-admin at ndtceda.com [mailto:edebate-admin at ndtceda.com] On Behalf Of Darren Elliott Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 4:52 PM To: adam lee; edebate at ndtceda.com Subject: Re: [eDebate] 2 Position Announcements-Liberty University Debate I wonder if this is analogous to Title 7 claims brought in Michigan? There is a University in Michigan (the name is escaping me but I recently met a Speech Professor from there during NCA) and this particular University is a private religious school which decided to turn down any Federal and State Aid so they did not have to comply with Title 7 or any other laws restricting or imposing employer-hiring practices on them. Their argument? They wanted to hire who they wanted (for many read whites only) when they wanted and are allowed to without penalty. Some "employers" then are exempt in some cases--not sure about the taxation argument advanced below though--interesting. chief At 03:09 PM 1/26/2005, adam lee wrote: Preface: the following questions are not asked to accuse Liberty University or Brett of discrimination. i believe that i've had a rather good history of fairly adjudicating debates in which Liberty is involved, and have always found their debaters and coaching staff to be some of the more pleasant people in the debate community. These questions are based in legal curiosity, and potential subsequent discussion of what may be an important issue. If any of these questions are based on my own ignorance of the law i'd like to know... Liberty's position announcement includes the following statement in the section marked "qualifications" "be in basic agreement with the general religious positions of Liberty University". Is Liberty exempt from taxation and therefore the status of employer pursuant to section 2102 of Title 5? (i'm guessing probably not) or Is it the contention of Liberty University that by hiring one who's positions on religious issues fail to conform with its "general" views on religion, that Liberty would be "unable to reasonably accomadate to an employee's or prospective employee's religious observance or practice without undue hardship on the conduct of the employer's business." per Title 7? i think perhaps if this is their contention, a richer explanation of "general views on religion" is in order. Given the boilerplate following this statemnent in the position announcement, it would be my guess that Liberty intends to be in compliance with Title 7...lemme know. ok, now i have to go read for civil procedure, don't ask me why i'm reading edebate respectfully adam lee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20050126/dc132ee2/attachment.html From arlee1 Wed Jan 26 16:11:24 2005 From: arlee1 (adam lee) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:11:24 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] 2 Position Announcements-Liberty University Debate Message-ID: That would exempt them from an 14th ammendment equal protection claim and not a Title VII claim which doesn't apply to state employees...however i just found what exemption Liberty is probably opperating under... 42 U.S.C. ? 2000e-1(a). HN6Another, more specific exemption applies only to religious educational organizations: HN7 It shall not be an unlawful employment practice for a school, college, university, or other educational institution or institution of learning to hire an employee of a particular religion if such school, college, university, or other educational institution or institution of learning is, in whole, or in substantial part, owned, supported, controlled, or managed by a particular religion or by a particular religious corporation, association, or society, or if the curriculum of such school, college, university, or other educational institution or institution of learning is directed towards the propagation of a particular religion. my bad for raising a stink about nothing...Liberty seems exempt from this portion of Title 7, i'll shut up now and go back to learning. adam lee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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All of this was designed to promote program growth in a way that is common in District VIII with the NY Coaltion, Vermont-Middlebury, and at the time Harvard-MIT. The proposal failed by a narrow margin. I think the opposition, in part, was based on the concern about "all star" teams still slipping through despite the limits outlined in the proposal. I also fear that some opposition was based on the concern that most existing programs would be put at a competitive disadvantage. Ken Strange --- You wrote: thinking aloud . . . I understand the traditional objections to hybrids quallifying for the NDT,or even breaking at some tournaments. However, it has always seemed to me that those rules are formulated around an assumption to prevent "all star" teams which would unfairly (somehow) tilt the competitive pool. However, why should this same logic apply to scenarios where the hybrids are a result of teambuilding efforts to begin new programs or to facilitate programs that would not have the resources to compete otherwise? In this formula, where 2 schools are acting as one, under the same leadership and sharing the same budget (for some necessity, becasue it makes no logical sense to do it if you don't have to), why shouldn't the debaters be treated as part of the same "program". Or even more so, where one debater is the only compettior in their school attempting to begin a program,and some competitive success might be persuasive to t he administration. Given our concerns with GROWING the activity, and the assumption I'm making that Debate is good, therefore more people should do it if possible, Why can't we make distinctions in our rules or their applications between hybrid TEAMS (2 folks debate cause only option) and hybrid PROGRAMS (2 schools for a symbiotic relationship because uts the best way to foster debate)? Is there a way to structure the rules to allow for and encourage cooperative ventures that grow the activity, but still put restrictions on hybrids of "convenience" to avoid the perceived unfairness? thoughts? and one additonal note: given that part of the NDT's mandate is to foster and grow debate (at least I beleive that was the conclusion we came to based on t he charter - it's not JUST a tournament), and the recongnition that pursuit of quallification for the NDT DOES affect regional debate to an extent (see archives 10/04-11/04 and just browse), and that District qualifiers in some cases intereact with CEDA Regional tournaments and awards: Is it fair for the NDT rules to create a disincentive for teams to try and help grow the activity through hybrid programs? -VIK vikeenan at juno.com ___________________________________________________________________ Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/month -visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! _______________________________________________ eDebate mailing list eDebate at ndtceda.com To subscribe, UNSUBSCRIBE, and see the subscriber list, go here: http://ndtceda.com/mailman/listinfo/edebate --- end of quote --- From swcedebate Wed Jan 26 16:51:41 2005 From: swcedebate (SWC Debate) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:51:41 -0800 Subject: [eDebate] samford mp/aw Message-ID: Could one of you all bc me when you get a chance, I have a cite request for you all. Jason SWC From swcedebate Wed Jan 26 16:52:23 2005 From: swcedebate (SWC Debate) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:52:23 -0800 Subject: [eDebate] Harvard LM Message-ID: Could you all bc me when you get a chance I have a cite request. Jason SWC From delliott Wed Jan 26 17:04:20 2005 From: delliott (Darren Elliott) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:04:20 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] Baylor Thanks/JV Results Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.1.20050126155831.01c513b8@kckcc.toto.net> Thanks to Baylor, Gerber, Matt Brigham, David Cisneros, Terri Easley, Jeff Roberts, and all the Bears for a great tournament. Thanks especially to Gerber and Rich Edwards for helping the tournament make Quarters in JV. Rich deserves so many thanks from this community. Congrats to Kansas for winning Open and to Oklahoma for winning JV. They gave us a battle in Finals. Also congrats to UT San Antonio on yet another fine performance. Chief and the Blue Devils JV Quarters: (1) KCKCC CT over (8)Oklahoma PS (2)Oklahoma DF over (7)Texas SS (6)UTSA RN over (3)KCKCC BL (5)UTSA DR over (4)Oklahoma HS SEMIS: (2)Oklahoma DF over (6)UTSA RN (1)KCKCC CT over (5)UTSA DR FINALS: (2)Oklahoma DF over (1)KCKCC CT Darren Elliott Director of Debate KCKCC From arsenalgunners2 Wed Jan 26 17:10:29 2005 From: arsenalgunners2 (Mick Souders) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:10:29 +0000 Subject: [eDebate] WSCA Message-ID: Will there be a WSCA tournament? I know its d1 district weekend, so I thought not, but wanted to know. Michael C. Souders, Graduate Assistant Debate and Forensics Program Department of Communicative Arts & Sciences Eastern New Mexico University From iriamenzo Wed Jan 26 17:29:00 2005 From: iriamenzo (Phillip Samuels) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:29:00 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] Paging Ross Faith Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The Oklahoma legislature outlawed the blood sport in 2002 because of its cruelty to the roosters, which are slashed and pecked to death while human spectators bet on the outcome. But State Sen. Frank Shurden, a Democrat from Henryetta and a long-time defender of cockfighting, said the ban had wiped out a $100-million business. To try to revive it, he has proposed that roosters wear little boxing gloves attached to their spurs, as well as lightweight, chicken-sized vests configured with electronic sensors to record hits and help keep score. "It's like the fencing that you see on the Olympics, you know, where they have little balls on the ends of the swords and the fencers wear vests," said Shurden. "That's the same application that would be applied to the roosters." Janet Halliburton, president of the Oklahoma Coalition Against Cockfighting, which led the drive for the 2002 law, said Shurden is really seeking to loosen the ban. "What this is going to do is make a platform for him to continually try to amend the existing ban," Halliburton told The Oklahoman newspaper. The State Senate will consider Shurden's proposal next month. From vikeenan Wed Jan 26 23:44:04 2005 From: vikeenan (V I Keenan) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 05:44:04 GMT Subject: [eDebate] hybrids: questions about objections to Message-ID: <20050126.214431.20908.134559@webmail24.nyc.untd.com> so, taking off on Ken's intial venture, to rephrase the question . . . do people with objections to hybrid teams, fearing "all star"s, have the same objections to hybrid programs that are trying to expand debate? do recent examples such as Vassar-Bard, with some establishment of a formal team at Bard, or VT-Middlebury, improve opinion of how hybrid/cooperative programs work and do not disadvantage otehr programs? would strict limits is the type of hybrids allowed make people more willing in the community who have objections to provide for circumstances of universal breaking? of qualling for the NDT? how stringent would these provisions have to be? What if they on pint answered most major concerns regardign hybrids? or is it an issue of "purity"? And how do we reconcile that nostalgia, virtue, or standard with out admitted need to make some changes for the good of the activity, as has been discussed? objections? - VIK nyc vikeenan at juno.com ___________________________________________________________________ Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/month -visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! From singhwcl Wed Jan 26 23:55:28 2005 From: singhwcl (Tejinder Singh) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 21:55:28 -0800 Subject: [eDebate] Rules For Calling Shotgun, Call For Ideas Message-ID: <9b90b1f8050126215520f9b1d7@mail.gmail.com> Dear Debate Community, I am currently writing a spoof law review article on the subject of when it is ok to call shotgun, and on what, if any, obligations shotgun passengers have to the rest of the car. To this end, I am soliciting ideas. Please only send good, original thoughts. These can include schemes for calling shotgun which are well reasoned and warranted, and also unorthodox ideas about the subject which perhaps apply a particular perspective. A few examples of things that are good to send to me: A critique of the "must see the car" rule on the grounds that it marginalizes the blind. - This is a novel and interdisciplinary approach to the subject An argument against the driver allowing his/her significant other to get automatic shotgun. - This is controversial, and hence interesting A series of tests which could be applied to determine whether a consensus to leave a venue has in fact been reached. - This gets into a level of detail and specificity notably absent from most shotgun debates which occur outside of Berkeley A discussion of the relationship between shotgun disputes and the use of force, and how international conventions on aggression and preemptive warfare may have a role to play. - This is also interdisciplinary, and it may help to resolve real people's problems A well-reasoned argument about the power and responsibility that the shotgun passenger has to choose good music, and the associated tests to determine what constitutes good music for the purpose of any given ride. - This is an under-treated subject about the notion that the privilege of shotgun comes with responsibility, which has historical ties to the origin of the shotgun tradition. Things which are not good to send to me are: "Where I come from we do shotgun this way..." - Nobody cares, make an arg. "Shotgun is so stupid. I can't believe you're writing about this." - Oh come on, like you've never had a lot of free time. "This is the way shotgun HAS to be." - Make sure you anticipate objections to your approach and provide warranted responses I think that I've given a clear picture of what I'm looking for. I expect my results to be available in about two weeks or so. In the meantime, keep on...keep truckin'... Tejinder From alexander.h.berger.02 Thu Jan 27 00:09:59 2005 From: alexander.h.berger.02 (Alex Berger) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:09:59 -0800 Subject: [eDebate] I Stand Corrected (was Re: Best politics impact ever) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Better politics impact. From the same State Senator. "De-nutting" (mandatory castration of convicted sex offenders) I will now be leaving my job to go work on this guy's reelection campaign. Or I'll go work for the Oklahoma Coalition Against Cockfighting (http://www.bancockfighting.org/AboutUs.htm) Alex. > You can't make this up. > > From CNN: > [http://www.cnn.com/2005/ALLPOLITICS/01/26/coxboxing.reut/index.html] > > Lawmaker wants tiny boxing gloves on roosters > > Wednesday, January 26, 2005 Posted: 9:35 PM EST (0235 GMT) > > OKLAHOMA CITY (Reuters) -- An Oklahoma senator hopes to revive cockfighting in > the state by putting tiny boxing gloves on the roosters instead of razors. > > > > The Oklahoma legislature outlawed the blood sport in 2002 because of its > cruelty to the roosters, which are slashed and pecked to death while human > spectators bet on the outcome. > > > > But State Sen. Frank Shurden, a Democrat from Henryetta and a long-time > defender of cockfighting, said the ban had wiped out a $100-million business. > > > > To try to revive it, he has proposed that roosters wear little boxing gloves > attached to their spurs, as well as lightweight, chicken-sized vests > configured with electronic sensors to record hits and help keep score. > > > > "It's like the fencing that you see on the Olympics, you know, where they have > little balls on the ends of the swords and the fencers wear vests," said > Shurden. "That's the same application that would be applied to the roosters." > > > > Janet Halliburton, president of the Oklahoma Coalition Against Cockfighting, > which led the drive for the 2002 law, said Shurden is really seeking to loosen > the ban. > > > > "What this is going to do is make a platform for him to continually try to > amend the existing ban," Halliburton told The Oklahoman newspaper. > > > The State Senate will consider Shurden's proposal next month. From bobjordan Thu Jan 27 00:17:24 2005 From: bobjordan (Bob Jordan) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 00:17:24 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] I Stand Corrected (was Re: Best politics impact ever) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050127061720.A1B7117D024@spatula.dreamhost.com> On Seinfeld, Kramer believed that the roosters would be wearing little gloves and that Little Jerry Seinfeld was in no danger. See http://www.seinfeldscripts.com/TheLittleJerry.html Kramerica Industries let another idea slip through the cracks. Bob Jordan -----Original Message----- From: edebate-admin at ndtceda.com [mailto:edebate-admin at ndtceda.com] On Behalf Of Alex Berger Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 12:10 AM To: edebate at ndtceda.com Subject: [eDebate] I Stand Corrected (was Re: Best politics impact ever) Better politics impact. From the same State Senator. "De-nutting" (mandatory castration of convicted sex offenders) I will now be leaving my job to go work on this guy's reelection campaign. Or I'll go work for the Oklahoma Coalition Against Cockfighting (http://www.bancockfighting.org/AboutUs.htm) Alex. > You can't make this up. > > From CNN: > [http://www.cnn.com/2005/ALLPOLITICS/01/26/coxboxing.reut/index.html] > > Lawmaker wants tiny boxing gloves on roosters > > Wednesday, January 26, 2005 Posted: 9:35 PM EST (0235 GMT) > > OKLAHOMA CITY (Reuters) -- An Oklahoma senator hopes to revive > cockfighting in the state by putting tiny boxing gloves on the roosters instead of razors. > > > > The Oklahoma legislature outlawed the blood sport in 2002 because of > its cruelty to the roosters, which are slashed and pecked to death > while human spectators bet on the outcome. > > > > But State Sen. Frank Shurden, a Democrat from Henryetta and a > long-time defender of cockfighting, said the ban had wiped out a $100-million business. > > > > To try to revive it, he has proposed that roosters wear little boxing > gloves attached to their spurs, as well as lightweight, chicken-sized > vests configured with electronic sensors to record hits and help keep score. > > > > "It's like the fencing that you see on the Olympics, you know, where > they have little balls on the ends of the swords and the fencers wear > vests," said Shurden. "That's the same application that would be applied to the roosters." > > > > Janet Halliburton, president of the Oklahoma Coalition Against > Cockfighting, which led the drive for the 2002 law, said Shurden is > really seeking to loosen the ban. > > > > "What this is going to do is make a platform for him to continually > try to amend the existing ban," Halliburton told The Oklahoman newspaper. > > > The State Senate will consider Shurden's proposal next month. _______________________________________________ eDebate mailing list eDebate at ndtceda.com To subscribe, UNSUBSCRIBE, and see the subscriber list, go here: http://ndtceda.com/mailman/listinfo/edebate From alfred.snider Thu Jan 27 09:07:53 2005 From: alfred.snider (Alfred C. Snider) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 10:07:53 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Cornell entries Thurs AM Message-ID: Here we are. 15 open, 14 jv, 21 novice. IT WOULD BE NICE IF ONE NOVICE TEAM MOVED UP TO JV SO WE COULD HAVE QUARTERS IN ALL DIVISIONS. Entries for Cornell Tournament of Love Bard College Stephen Davis & Jesse Crooks Open Bard College Litta Naukushu & Noah Westin Novice New York Univ. Cedric Allen & Asha Cherian Open New York Univ. Gissella X & Marianne X JV New York Univ. Keenan Winn & Jenn Messina JV Vermont teams: Harlow-Keller JV Sanders-Kimerer open Nelson-McMahan open Landsman-Roos-Hitchcock open Benjamin-Yeasir JV Clark-Whiting JV Fletcher-Meany open Jokajtys-Schaefer novice Mantone-Ottman novice U.S. Military Academ Ryan Sullivan & Mitch Suliman Open U.S. Military Academ Rich Bazemore & Allison Pan JV U.S. Military Academ Derek Kent & Steven Warner Novice U.S. Military Academ Chris Hammett & Tyler Jost Novice Binghamton Dan Weiser & Jeremy Levine JV Binghamton Marianito Mabutas & Xiong Ni Novice Binghamton Marc Brooks & James Papadakis Novice West Virginia Univer Douglas Rogers & Anna Zaniewski JV West Virginia Univer Samantha Godbey & Jacklyn Gonzales Novice West Virginia Univer Michael Stark & Natalie Wenck Novice UMASS Novice: Alexa Roscoe & Aaron Smith Jenn Gorson & Jessica Hoffman JV: Alex Ambroz & Randall Brueckner Rochester and Buffalo: OPEN Anna Czapla and Ilana Kaplan-Shain Steve D?Amico and Buddy Khan Liz Gaskell and Mike Morosi JV Contessa Gibson and Eric Miller Chris Lavin and Pat Hitchcock Simon Gong and Ben Wittwer NOVICE Sarah Morrill and Mary Ellen Chieco Jo Smith and Jon Elkin Mike Gunther and David Merkle Maya Chandally and Vera Zavin Bryan Bernsetin and Ron Ro Rachel Thibo and Nick Wrem (Buffalo) yasin davila/jeff shevlin Cornell teams: Sherin Varghese and Ahmed Mousa (open) Linda Obioha and Neelu Toor (open) Steven Wu and Brianna Dollinger (open) Candice Williams and Alvin Liu (jv) Marist Novice: Michael Charsi and Scott Semple JV: Ca Thong and Stephen Nocera MARIST/BARD Nathan Sweed (Bard) and Chris Arena (Marist) in the Open Division. WEST CONN NOVICE Joshua Flores & Melinda Tarsi Jill Odierno & Derek Thornton George Babykutty & Fernando Franco Judge Entries Ellis Andy Bard College 6 Evans-Wilson Becky West Virginia Univer 3 Green Becky Binghamton 3-6 Gupta Ravi Binghamton 3-6 Jacobus David New York Univ. 2 Keenan Vik New York Univ. 3 Patrice Joe New York Univ. 2 Perez Tino U.S. Military Academ 6 SPIRITOS SAKI USMA 6 NOVICE ONLY Rubino Kathryn New York Univ. 2 Wilson Jeremy West Virginia Univer 6 Zisman Ruth Bard College 6 UMASS Judges: (JV Debators -- Judge only Novice) Christopher Yu Cailin Campbell ROCHESTER/BUFFALO JUDGES: Kate Baxter-Kauf-- 5 rounds Ken Johnson -- 5 rounds Gordie Miller --5 rounds Sam Nelson -- 4 rounds NOT 3-4 Tom Marples -- 5 rounds Jessica Myers -- 6 rounds Mike Baxter-Kauf -- 6 rounds None of the rochester judges should judge buffalo. Cornell judges: Cleo on Friday and Sunday only Travis (open and JV only) the whole weekend Adam Barry (novice only) 1, 3-5, Qrtrs, Semis Kerry McBroom (JV only) Friday and Saturday only Aaron Franklin (JV only) Friday only Lisa Wang (JV only) Saturday and Quarters We will have more, but not many MARIST JUDGES Judges Maxwell Schnurer 3 Ryan Stiffney 3 WCONN JUDGES: Chris Kukk (6 rounds) Tyler Balding (3 rounds)(Novice & JV only) VERMONT JUDGES Hoag 6 Varela 6 novice Helen Morgan Parmett 3 Justin Morgan Parmett 3 Skrt 6 novice Lockwood 6 -- --------------------------- Alfred C. Snider, AKA Tuna Edwin W. Lawrence Professor of Forensics, University of Vermont 475 Main, UVM, Burlington, VT 05405 USA World Debate Institute; World Debate Organization 802-238-8345 mobile; 802-656-0097 office; 802-656-4275 fax http://alfred.snider.name website -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Master of Arts in Communication Studies Liberty University Statement of Nature and Purpose The Master of Arts in Communication Studies is a 36- hour graduate level degree that invites students to study and practice context-specific communication competencies, communication theory, and research that will enhance their individual communication abilities for participation in leadership roles in media, ministry, business and education. The goal is to develop communication knowledge and expertise within the Christian worldview essential for functioning in a variety of communication contexts. Students will study both the interpretive and scientific approaches in the field and receive training in qualitative and quantitative research methods. Program Requirements (36 hours) Area 1: Contextual Communication Studies (12 hours) Area 2: Communication Strategies (12 hours) Area 3: Research (6 hours) Area 4: Electives (6 hours) Projected Number of Resident Students 1st year enrollment 15 -25 students 2nd year enrollment - total of 30 - 45 students Primary Target Audience The graduate program will target students who hold the B.S. degree in communications or related discipline who desire to complete a master's level program in Communication Studies. Delivery The M.A. in Communication Studies will be offered as a residential on-campus program upon initiation and will consider on-line course offerings as the program grows in the future. Master of Arts in Communication Concentrations I. Public Address II. Organizational and Interpersonal Communication Studies III. Media and Communication Studies IV. Religious Communication Studies Master of Arts in Communication Courses COMS 510 3 Ancient Rhetorical Theory COMS 512 3 British Public Address COMS 514 3 American Public Address COMS 520 3 Communication Theory COMS 522 3 Interpersonal Communication Theory and Practice COMS 524 3 Small Group Communication Theory and Practice COMS 530 3 Mass Media Theory COMS 532 3 Approaches to Media Tech COMS 540 3 Communication in Christian Ministry COMS 542 3 Great Preachers and Preaching Master of Arts In Communication Courses (con't) COMS 550 3 Communication Education Theory COMS 552 3 Leadership Communication COMS 554 3 Argument and Persuasion COMS 556 3 Audience Analysis and Measurement COMS 558 3 Listening and Nonverbal Communication COMS 560 3 Communication and Conflict COMS 562 3 Web-based Communication COMS 612 3 Criticism of Public Address COMS 614 3 Interpretation of Rhetorical Texts COMS 622 3 Organizational Communication Theory and Practice COMS 624 3 Intercultural Communication COMS 632 3 Politics and Media COMS 634 3 Religion and Media COMS 638 3 Media Management COMS 642 3 Faith, Reason, and Communication COMS 644 3 Communication of Revival and Reform COMS 652 3 Organizational Communication Consulting COMS 654 3 Communication and Change COMS 656 3 Media Strategies COMS 680 3 Communication Research Methods COMS 690 3 Thesis COMS 691 3 Project COMS 697 3 Special Topics Administration Dr. William Gribbin, B.S., M.Ed., Ph.D. Dean, School of Communications Dr. Cecil V. Kramer, B.S., M.A., M.Div., D.Min. Professor of Communication Studies Graduate Faculty Dr. David Allison B.A., M.A., M.Div., Ed.D. Associate Professor of Communication Studies Dr. Lynnda S. Beavers, B.A., M.A., Ph.D. Associate Professor of Communication Studies Dr. Gina Barker, B.S., M.S., Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Communication Studies Dr. Terri Lynn Cornwell, B.A., M.A., M.A., Ph.D. Associate Professor of Communication Studies Dr. Darlene Graves, B.A., M.A., Ed.D. Associate Professor of Communication Studies Dr. Michael Graves, B.A., M.A., Ph.D. Professor of Communication Studies Dr. Faith Mullen, A.D., B.A., M.A., Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Communication Studies Dr. William Mullen, B.A., M.Div., Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Communication Studies Dr. Brett M. O'Donnell, B.S., M.A. Ph.D. Associate Professor of Communication Studies Dr. Harry Sova, B.A., M.A., Ph.D. Professor of Communication Studies Dr. Steven Troxel, B.A., M.A., Ph.D. Professor of Communication Studies Dr. Carl D. Windsor, Dip., B.A., M.A., Ph.D. Professor of Communication Studies Brett M. O'Donnell Director of Debate Liberty University 1971 University Blvd. Lynchburg, VA 24502 434-582-2080 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20050127/372a85c8/attachment.htm From matt_moore85 Thu Jan 27 11:00:48 2005 From: matt_moore85 (Matt Moore) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 11:00:48 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] Augustana Tournament Updates Message-ID: Things are still going well here in Rock Island. The quality of competition keeps getting better. I will leave the entries open until later this afternoon- at 5 I will download the inforamtion from the cite and get everything ready to go in the computer. As it stands we have 21 in open, 10 in JV, and 12 in Novice. The numbers are looking good in all divisions. We are a little tight on judging so any extra rounds people are willing to hire/donate would be greatly appreciated. Any information you may need for the tournament before you get here can be found at: http://users.augustana.edu/spmoore/tournamenthome.html The plan is partial Octos in open and then probably semis in the other divisions since the augi teams will not clear. It might be that the situation will make it appropriate for partials in jv and novice. A few more entries would help make that decision a no brainer for me. Please enter if you have not. The tournament is looking stronger than ever and who does not want a Viking helmet??? Also if you are in the area, or a reasonable drive away, and want to make some money judging let us know. We will make your life pleasant. Watch the weather- risk of snow, but warmer than it has been. Matt From Robert.Becker Thu Jan 27 11:51:36 2005 From: Robert.Becker (Robert Becker) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 10:51:36 -0700 Subject: [eDebate] FW: WSCA Message-ID: I've seen at least one request for information. Please find it below. -----Original Message----- From: parli-bounces at willamette.edu [mailto:parli-bounces at willamette.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Trapp Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 11:51 AM To: parli at willamette.edu Subject: [Parli] WSCA I just want to remind everyone that the WSCA invitation is posted at http://www.willamette.edu/cla/rhetoric/forensics/WSCA%202005.htm. I have been asked by several directors if they would be allowed to exceed the limits on entries, especially in debate. My answer to everyone is yes, as long as you meet the requirements for rooms and judges. I see no reason to arbitrarily keep students out of the tournament as long as we have space. Which reminds me ---- make your hotel reservations soon. Robert Trapp _______________________________________________ Parli mailing list Parli at willamette.edu http://lists.willamette.edu/mailman/listinfo/parli From Robert.Becker Thu Jan 27 11:53:20 2005 From: Robert.Becker (Robert Becker) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 10:53:20 -0700 Subject: [eDebate] FW: [Parli] Reminder: Irish tryout/hosting deadline approaching Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: parli-bounces at willamette.edu [mailto:parli-bounces at willamette.edu] On Behalf Of Michael Dreher Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 7:37 PM To: npda-l at bethel.edu; parli at willamette.edu Subject: [Parli] Reminder: Irish tryout/hosting deadline approaching Brent Northup has asked me to remind the community that the deadlines for hosting the Irish debaters and the deadline for applying to debate the Irish is fast approaching. The deadline to apply for debating the Irish is this Friday. Information and details are on the NPDA website and linked at the NPDA Nationals page: http://www.parlidebate.org/nationals.html Questions should go to Brent: bnorthup at carroll.edu Michael Dreher Director of Forensics, NPDA Webmaster mdreher at bethel.edu Office: 651-638-6052 _______________________________________________ Parli mailing list Parli at willamette.edu http://lists.willamette.edu/mailman/listinfo/parli From noonan Thu Jan 27 12:23:55 2005 From: noonan (Tom Noonan) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 12:23:55 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] Marquette Hotel Reservations Message-ID: Just a reminder about the Marquette University tournament hotel reservation deadline - its fast approaching. Be sure to contact the Holiday Inn Milwaukee City Center located at 611 W. Wisconsin Ave., Milwaukee, WI 53203. Make reservations by calling the Holiday Inn at (414) 273-2950. A group rate of $72.00 is available for the nights of February 17, 18, and 19 and is under the heading ? ?MU Debate Tournament." Please go ahead and make reservations now - extra rooms can always be released later. Also, keep in mind that we will again host our coaches/judges reception at the Holiday Inn on Saturday evening from 8-12 PM (a fine catered meal and beverages will again be provided - no need to eat dinner). MU debaters will again take visiting debaters to the MU Sports Annex for pizza (costs covered by the tournament). See the attached invitation if you need tournament information. Contact me with any questions. Thank you. Thomas Noonan Director of Debate Marquette University -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: I'm looking to get out to Chicago for next week's tournament. If anyone's in dire need of judging let me know. I can probably figure out a way to house myself. Email me at this account or call my cell 678 362 4858. Josh From casuser Thu Jan 27 16:03:07 2005 From: casuser (CASUser) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:03:07 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] Wichita State Aff. Message-ID: <41F9651B.AAA9CB2A@unt.edu> I am from North Texas and I am looking on any information on Wichita State's aff. I hear that they are supposed to break a new aff. either at Northwestern or Nationals. If anybody knows any information on their old aff. please respond or email me with the information. rdm0132 at unt.edu. Feel free to IM me at Skilledchuunin. Thanks -Ryan From siudebate1 Thu Jan 27 16:14:38 2005 From: siudebate1 (todd graham) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:14:38 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] Community College Debaters--Scholarships Available In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.1.20050126145840.01c5b1b8@kckcc.toto.net> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20050127/db818a0b/attachment.htm From cornellforensics Thu Jan 27 14:00:46 2005 From: cornellforensics (Jethro Hayman) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:00:46 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Final Cornell update Message-ID: Attendance: Barring any last minute drops, we will be breaking to quarters in every division. Many teams have not entered online, but they have sent me entries. Please let me know today if there is even a chance that a team entered will not be coming to Ithaca this weekend. If you need to contact me after this evening, use my cell phone 607-351-4427. Weather: It will be very cold with highs of only 20 degrees and wind chill keeping the temp near zero. Fortunately, no snow is in the forecast so driving conditions should be decent. Please dress warmly with layers of clothing and a hat and gloves are highly recommended. Driving Directions: Most of you will take 79 west toward Ithaca after exiting I-81. After driving approx 30 miles, you will take a right hand turn toward the East Hill plaza BEFORE going down into Ithaca. You will see signs for Cornell. You will take Pine Tree road until it intersects with Dryden Rd (366) where you will take a left. After a half mile, you will bear right over the bridge. You are now on Hoy Rd and Cornell campus. You should stop at the info booth to buy a parking ticket. They will give you a map with the designated visitor parking areas. You need to park on Garden or Tower after unloading people at Kennedy Hall. At the end of Hoy rd, take a right on campus road and then a quick left onto Garden. Follow Garden through one intersection and you will find the Kennedy archway on the right. Parking: Cornell has free parking after 5pm on Friday. Many of you will need to purchase a 1/2 day parking pass from one of the many kiosks on campus. It costs $4/vehicle. You can park without a pass, but there is a high risk that you will be ticketed. You have been warned. Registration: Please check in at Kennedy 105, the tournament tab room. Kennedy 213 will be an open work room for schools. Hospitality: We will have two catered lunches, lots of snacks, and breakfast. We will also host a party Saturday night. The awards this year will be different and pragmatic, instead of traditional and EXPENSIVE. We look forward to seeing many of you this weekend! -- Jethro A Hayman Director of Forensics Society Argumentation and Debate Instructor Department of Communication Cornell University 301 Kennedy Hall jethro at cornell.edu 607-255-2124 office 607-351-4427 cell From blackdebateguy Thu Jan 27 18:09:59 2005 From: blackdebateguy (doug dennis) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:09:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [eDebate] cal state chico debaters- all else just delete Message-ID: <20050128000959.68998.qmail@web50205.mail.yahoo.com> please backchannel me ASAP. doug dennis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hays 14- Schakelford, Michael, Weber St. 13- Jardinia, Anthony, Northwestern 12- Montes, Brenda, Fullerton 11- Schueler, Beth, Whitman 10- Keenan, Dylan, Michigan 9- Brooks, Hunter, Dartmouth 8- Malumphy, Christine, Harvard 7- Luxemberg, Dan, Harvard 6- Suni, Eric, Whitman 5- Marks, David, Dartmouth 4- Avery Dale, Northwestern 3- Peterson, David, Long Beach 2- Tribble, Nate, Redlands 1- Steele, Orion, Redlands Aaron Michigan Debate From dbteam Thu Jan 27 20:51:03 2005 From: dbteam (dbteam) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:51:03 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Seeking anyone from Texas AM and Dartmouth BrMa and BeMa Message-ID: <41EC45C3@cliff.westga.edu> i need to ask yall some questions. holla back hester From privethedge Fri Jan 28 08:24:50 2005 From: privethedge (Duane Hyland) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 06:24:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [eDebate] New Movie "Thanks to Gravity" Message-ID: <20050128142450.93690.qmail@web50910.mail.yahoo.com> HI, Has anyone heard about this? If so, what are the details? All I can find is that it stars Sean Astin and is about debate?? Anyone? Will it portray debate in a positive light? Or will it be as crappy as "Listen to Me?" Duane "You may be whatever you resolve to be." Thomas J. Jackson" "If all mankind minus one were of one opinion and only one person were of the contrary opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that person that he, if he had the power, would be in silencing mankind? If the opinion is right, they are deprived of the opportunity of exchanging error for truth; if wrong, they lose, what is almost as great a benefit, the clearer perception and livelier impression of truth, produced by its collision with error." John S. Mill __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20050128/ca26604b/attachment.html From hallbrad Fri Jan 28 08:36:35 2005 From: hallbrad (Brad Hall) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 09:36:35 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] New Movie "Thanks to Gravity" In-Reply-To: <20050128142450.93690.qmail@web50910.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050128142450.93690.qmail@web50910.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/miamiherald/news/local/states/florida/counties/broward_county/9051951.htm On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 06:24:50 -0800 (PST), Duane Hyland wrote: > HI, Has anyone heard about this? If so, what are the details? All I can find > is that it stars Sean Astin and is about debate?? Anyone? Will it portray > debate in a positive light? Or will it be as crappy as "Listen to Me?" > > Duane > > > > "You may be whatever you resolve to be." Thomas J. Jackson" > > "If all mankind minus one were of one opinion and only one person were of > the contrary opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that > person that he, if he had the power, would be in silencing mankind? If the > opinion is right, they are deprived of the opportunity of exchanging error > for truth; if wrong, they lose, what is almost as great a benefit, the > clearer perception and livelier impression of truth, produced by its > collision with error." John S. Mill > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com From mattedebate Fri Jan 28 09:25:25 2005 From: mattedebate (Matt Cormack) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 07:25:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [eDebate] New Movie "Thanks to Gravity" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050128152526.39796.qmail@web60601.mail.yahoo.com> "Sebastian Zaragovia, 16, of Davie wants to be on the debate team in high school, but said that some parts of the movie went over his head. 'The words are too big. They're beyond my knowledge -- like `topicality' is too big a word.''" --- Brad Hall wrote: > http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/miamiherald/news/local/states/florida/counties/broward_county/9051951.htm > > > On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 06:24:50 -0800 (PST), Duane > Hyland > wrote: > > HI, Has anyone heard about this? If so, what are > the details? All I can find > > is that it stars Sean Astin and is about debate?? > Anyone? Will it portray > > debate in a positive light? Or will it be as > crappy as "Listen to Me?" > > > > Duane > > > > > > > > "You may be whatever you resolve to be." Thomas J. > Jackson" > > > > "If all mankind minus one were of one opinion and > only one person were of > > the contrary opinion, mankind would be no more > justified in silencing that > > person that he, if he had the power, would be in > silencing mankind??? If the > > opinion is right, they are deprived of the > opportunity of exchanging error > > for truth; if wrong, they lose, what is almost as > great a benefit, the > > clearer perception and livelier impression of > truth, produced by its > > collision with error." John S. Mill > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > eDebate mailing list > eDebate at ndtceda.com > To subscribe, UNSUBSCRIBE, and see the subscriber > list, go here: > http://ndtceda.com/mailman/listinfo/edebate > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From Karla_Leeper Fri Jan 28 10:08:23 2005 From: Karla_Leeper (Leeper, Karla) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:08:23 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] NDT NEWSLETTER FROM FRITCH Message-ID: <3E798250B7BD144D87BF0E7C0667FDCA1C47F8@FS-EXCHANGE2.baylor.edu> 59th NATIONAL DEBATE TOURNAMENT, 2005 January, 2005 Dear Colleague: Plans are nearing completion for the 59th National Debate Tournament to be held at Gonzaga University, Spokane, Washington, Friday through Monday, March 25 through 28, 2005. This is one week earlier than the tournament was held last year. Your genial host for the event will be Glen Frappier. This brief letter will provide information on the tournament location, qualifying processes, eligibility certification, and entry for the tournament. Important changes have been made to the entry process, so please read the letter carefully. TOURNAMENT HOTEL. The tournament hotel will be the Red Lion Hotel at the Park. Registration, banquets, and elimination rounds will be held at the tournament hotel. For making reservations, mention that you are attending the NDT for their special rates: the phone number is 1-509-323-7219. We would recommend that you reserve rooms as soon as your teams have qualified. More information about the hotel is available at: http://www.redlion.com/WHC/hotels/ShowHotel.asp?ID=42 . GONZAGA UNIVERSITY INFORMATION. Information about the tournament may also be found at http://www.gonzagadebate.com/2005%20NDT.htm . QUALIFICATION PROCESS. The selection process, altered before the 1994 NDT, remains in place for the 2005 NDT. Beginning in 1999, any unfilled second round at large bids may be awarded to third teams from a school which has applied for second round bids. An even number of teams will be maintained in the tournament, but more than six schools may have a second team if second round bids are not filled in the normal process. Otherwise, the rules and regulations for the NDT At-Large bid procedures should be accurate for the tournament. A complete set of the NDT rules and procedures may be found at www.wfu.edu. One minor change was made by the 2001-02 NDT Committee: the number of preliminary rounds required for a team to count toward bid allocations was lowered to 18. (Hence three tournaments with 6 preliminary rounds would suffice). The requirement for individuals was kept the same. The 2002-03 NDT Committee made a change concerning Second Round applications. Rule IIC2c2 was amended to read: All teams selected through the Second Round At-Large process must have a 50% or greater preliminary round win-loss record in rounds on the fall CEDA topic or its NDT topic parallel immediately prior to the District tournament or at the time of submission for second round bids. AT LARGE APPLICATION PROCESS. The process for first and second round at large bids will be the same as that established in 2004. Those subscribing schools wishing to nominate their teams for At-Large consideration must submit copies of their completed electronic Official NDT At-Large Application (without covering letters or other supplementary materials). Applications must be received by the dates listed below. Schools submitting at-large applications must have paid their NDT subscription fee prior to submitting their application for the bid to be considered. In addition, all teams wishing to be considered for an at-large bid must pay $50.00 to the treasurer of the NDT board of trustees. A system has been set up to pay using Paypal, or the treasurer also will accept a check or money order made out to the NDT, RECEIVED BY THE APPLICATION DEADLINE, sent to the following address: Brett O'Donnell NDT Treasurer Liberty University Debate 1971 University Blvd. Lynchburg, VA 24502 The electronic at-large bid form may be found at: http://commweb.fullerton.edu/jbruschke/web/index.aspx . ENROLLMENT CERTIFICATION. IMPORTANT. Addressing a concern that all debaters attending be eligible to attend, the 1999 Committee passed a resolution such that participating teams need to submit a letter verifying that each member of the team is in good standing and regularly enrolled at their university or college. Participating NDT students must provide by February 8, 2005 an official document from a University of college official that he or she is registered as an undergraduate student and is in good standing at the school to be represented. Letters should be sent (faxed letters should be followed by official letters) to: Dr. Karla Leeper, NDT Chair One Bear Place #97368 Waco, TX 76798 254-710-6919(o) 254-710-1563 (f) ENTERING THE TOURNAMENT. ENTRIES ARE DUE MARCH 10, 2005. The process for entering the tournament is being altered for the 2005 National Debate Tournament. Online entries will be accepted using the web site and methods used for many invitational tournaments during the year. The web site may be found at http://commweb.fullerton.edu/jbruschke/web/index.aspx . JUDGING PHILOSOPHIES. Please return judging philosophies to Mike Berry no later than March 10, 2005. Judging philosophies should be submitted via email to: mrberry at kings.edu . The NDT has imposed a $50 fine on institutions which have not provided judging philosophies by March 12. An additional $50 fine is imposed if those judging philosophy statements are not turned in by the time of registration. FEES. The Board of Trustees has set the fees for the 2005 NDT. The fees are $175.00 per team and $60.00 per participant (or $415.00 per team if you bring 1 team and two judges--there are no half judge fees anymore). Persons traveling with the team will be charged for the banquets and other meal functions . The fee for each observer is $80.00. Attached you will find a tournament schedule, a list of the NDT Committee members and their addresses, a team and coach entry form - which should be included with first or second round applications, and also with district submissions. A copy of the application form - the original is sent to the NDT director - should be sent with the letter of eligibility to Karla Leeper. Please join us in Spokane for the 59th National Debate Tournament. Sincerely, John Fritch, Director TOURNAMENT SCHEDULE Thursday, March 24 9:00-11:00 Registration 11:00 - 2:00 NDT Board of Trustees Meeting 1:00-4:00 NDT Committee Meeting 4:00-5:00 Late Registration 6:30 Tournament Banquet Friday, March 25 Debate Rounds 7:45 AM Continental Breakfast 8:00 Announcement of Round I 12:15 PM Announcement of Round II 2:00 Lunch 4:00 Announcement of Round III Saturday, March 26 8:00 AM Announcement of Round IV 11:15 Lunch 12:30 Announcement of Round V 5:15 Announcement of Round VI Sunday, March 27 8:00 AM Announcement of Round VII 11:15 Lunch 12:45 Announcement of Round VIII 5:15 Announcement of First Elimination Round Monday, March 28 Debate Rounds in the Red Lion Hotel at the Park 7:15 AM Drawing of Octofinal judges 7:30 Announcement of octofinals 8:30 Octofinal round begins (Rounds continue throughout the day) FIRST ROUND AT LARGE BIDS Must be received by Committee Members February 10 (5PM CST) Committee calls or e-mail to Director February 12-13 Director Announces February 14 DISTRICT PROCEDURES Declaration of intent to attend District February 15 Announcement of district bids February 16 SECOND ROUND AT LARGE BIDS Must be received by Committee Members March 3 (5 PM CST) Committee calls or e-mail to Director March 5-6 Director announces March 7 NDT COMMITTEE CONTACT INFORAMTION: Karla Leeper (Chair) Fax 254-710-1563 Karla_Leeper at baylor.edu John Fritch (Director) Fax 319-273-7356 John.Fritch at uni.edu Gordon Stables (D1) stables at usc.edu Glen Frappier (D2) frappier at gem.gonzaga.edu Joel Rollins (D3) Jd.rollins at mail.utexas.edu Fred Sternhagen (D4) sternhag at cord.edu DickLesicko(D4) lesicko at macalester.edu Mike Eber (D5) eber at msu.edu RossSmith(D6) smithr at wfu.edu KevinKuswa(D7) kkuswa at richmond.edu JohnKatsulas(D8) john.katsulas.1 at bc.edu SarahPartlow(D9) partsara at isu.edu TimO'Donnell(AFAE) todonnel at mwc.edu JoeZompetti(AFAMW) Zompetti at aol.com EdLee(AFAS) edlee3 at BAMA.ua.edu Leeper is AFA W Frappier is the host Deadline: Due to Mike Berry not alter than March 10 2005 JUDGE PHILOSPHY FORM Revised 2-16-94 NAME _______________________ INSTITUTION _____________________________ POSITION _______________________ YEARS OF COACHING _______________ NUMBER OF TOURNAMENTS THIS YEAR _______________________ The following questions represent some of the issues you may want to discuss in your judge philosophy. They serve as a guideline. Please try to make the philosophy relevant AS APPLICABLE to the current topic. It is understood that many of your positions may be altered by specific situations. Please limit yourself to ONE photocopy ready page. The left hand margin should be one (1) inch. Theory: 1. What decision making paradigm do you use? 2. What are your standards for the evaluation of T? 3. What are your standards for counterplans (especially topical Cps, conditionally, international fiat, Agent of Action, and permutations)? 4. How do you react to new cases at the NDT? Topic Specific Arguments: 1. Which T violations do you like/dislike? How is T evaluated? 2. What are your preferences for disads? Counterplans? Critiques/Deontology: 1. Do you like them? 2. What standards do you use to evaluate them? 3. How do they weigh against other impacts? Evidence: 1. Do you read evidence after a round? 2. What are your standards of evaluation? 3. Do you require full cites to be read? How does that affect your evaluation of evidence? 4. What are your standards for an evidence challenge? Style: 1. What, if anything, do you do to encourage comprehensible speaking? 2. What constitutes an argument? 3. Do you find tag-team CX objectionable? 4. What behavior or mannerisms do you find objectionable? Miscellaneous: Send philosophies (preferably email) to: mrberry at kings.edu . For those with no email, please fax them to (717) 826-5988. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20050128/8652952f/attachment.htm -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20050128/15ce8a72/attachment.html From swcedebate Fri Jan 28 13:41:53 2005 From: swcedebate (SWC Debate) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 11:41:53 -0800 Subject: [eDebate] D1 qualifier Message-ID: I am trying to get a list put together of all the teams that are planning to head to the D1 tournament. If you all could back channel me and let me know who is planning to go I would really appreciate it. I will be more then happy to send the complete list to everyone once I have it put together. Jason SWC From lsd041 Thu Jan 27 19:29:15 2005 From: lsd041 (Scott Deatherage) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:29:15 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] PS Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20050127192621.01d0b198@lulu.it.northwestern.edu> If you have not yet sent a rooming list to the Orrington, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do this. You can send it to Bris Villanueva at: brisv at hotelorrington.com. She has just sent me an updated list, and at least HALF of you have not done so. This is necessary so that participants cna get a key once they have lost their original key, and so to optimize room assignments vis-a-via kings and double doubles. This is the THIRD CALL for rooming lists. See you soon. Best. SD Scott Deatherage Director of Debate Northwestern University Evanston, Illinois From lsd041 Thu Jan 27 19:21:54 2005 From: lsd041 (Scott Deatherage) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:21:54 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] PLEASE READ: IMPORTANT NORTHWESTERN HOTEL INFO Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20050127183855.01de8318@lulu.it.northwestern.edu> Greetings, all. I hope this note finds you well. We are anxiously preparing for your arrival in Evanston next weekend; we look forward to hosting you. Evanston, we have a problem. A BIG problem. We are overbooked at the Hotel Orrington by about 25 rooms. The Hotel is in GREAT shape. I have toured the new conference facility on the 9th floor, as well as the remodeled meeting space on the 2nd floor. They are ready, will be used liberally during both the prelims and elims, and make a great set-up for our event. But the sleeping room renovations on floors 7 and 8, scheduled to be done in time for the tournament, will not be complete. The sales manager at the Orrington just found out about this late last week; she notified me immediately. While this will creat an inconvenience for some of us, the Orrington staff has been both forthcoming and constructive in working with me to find solutions. There is another hotel nearby, the Best Western, about 1.5 blocks south of the Orrington. They offer high speed internet in the rooms on the top five floors of their facility. They have offered a rate of $99 per night for quad occupancy. They have "double doubles." We will run full services from both hotels: transportation to and from campus, evidence transportation, etc. My sales contact at the Orrington has offered to take care of the details of transferring guests so that you do not have to jump through more hoops. So the question is, move whom??? I have visited with the coaching staff and we have agreed to the following procedures: 1. We now call for volunteers. Some of you have booked Kings at the Orrington b/c they were out of "double doubles" when you called. (More out than they realized). This is a chance to save a little budget money by volunteering to move. If you are interested, reply by telling me what you have at the Orrington and what you need at the Best Western. We'll take it from there. 2. Drops. If you have indicated to me that you have an extra room, I have dropped it, rather than reassigning it, in order to ease the situation. However, if there are those of you out there who are still overbooked, shoring up your reservation will help. You can do that w/ the Hotel or w/ me. It's probably easier just to shoot an e-mail to me: "hey, we have 5 rooms and only need four. You could cancel one." I will. 3. At the end of the day on Tuesday, February 1, I will consult with the reservations and sales managers at the Orrington. If we are still overbooked, I will ask them to work from the bottom of the list up to reassign schools. The reservations manager will be in contact with you directly and will copy me on all correspondence. Not to sound like a kritiker or anything, but: I hate to use FIAT to resolve a situation of this sort. Between drops and volunteers, I think it might not be necessary to do so. But in the end, this was the most elloquent solution we could devise to a difficult situation. The coaching staff and I seemed to agree that this was the most equitable solution. We will do something nice for those schools who volunteer or are volunteered to move off of the Orrington campus. As I indicated in the invitation, I opted to use the Orrington for this year's Owen L. Coon because I wanted a test run for the '06 NDT. The construction was first due to be complete in July of '04, then moved back to November '04. As I said in today in my meeting with the sales manager, I appreciate their effort to make this a quality event, and short of learning to lay dry wall, I'm not certain what else they could do. We are fully committed to doing whatever is required to provide a quality experience for all participants. This is the 48th Annual Owen L. Coon, one of the oldest tournaments on the circuit, and we desire to do whatever is necessary to make the experience a positive one, and to persuade you to continue support of the tournament. I look forward to seeing you in eight days. Best. SD Scott Deatherage Director of Debate Northwestern University Evanston, Illinois From lsd041 Thu Jan 27 19:39:02 2005 From: lsd041 (Scott Deatherage) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:39:02 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] PS PS Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20050127193700.01e772a0@lulu.it.northwestern.edu> Don't worry: Once I have this worked out with the various changes -- either drops you have already processed w/ me, or changes that result from your decision to volunteer to move, I will e-mail each of you individually with details about precisely what I think you have and at what hotel you have them. I'll be so bold as to predict that your check-in will be smoother than every. Best. SD Scott Deatherage Director of Debate Northwestern University Evanston, Illinois From mizzoudebate Fri Jan 28 14:37:01 2005 From: mizzoudebate (Mizzou Debate) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:37:01 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] New Movie "Thanks to Gravity" In-Reply-To: <20050128152526.39796.qmail@web60601.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: "Intellectual though it may be, the scene bored some of the extras. ''I would have preferred it to be chainsaws with crazy stuff like that,'' said Dan DiNicola, 17, who is from Cooper City." I don't know about this...After we re-evaluated our consumption ethic, we decided it would probably be a better idea to forgo the gasoline-powered chainsaws in favor of viciously paper-cutting people with our old flows. Solves global warming and over population. Eap >From: Matt Cormack >To: Brad Hall , Duane Hyland >CC: edebate at ndtceda.com >Subject: Re: [eDebate] New Movie "Thanks to Gravity" >Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 07:25:25 -0800 (PST) > >"Sebastian Zaragovia, 16, of Davie wants to be on the >debate team in high school, but said that some parts >of the movie went over his head. 'The words are too >big. They're beyond my knowledge -- like `topicality' >is too big a word.''" > > >--- Brad Hall wrote: > > > >http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/miamiherald/news/local/states/florida/counties/broward_county/9051951.htm > > > > > > On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 06:24:50 -0800 (PST), Duane > > Hyland > > wrote: > > > HI, Has anyone heard about this? If so, what are > > the details? All I can find > > > is that it stars Sean Astin and is about debate?? > > Anyone? Will it portray > > > debate in a positive light? Or will it be as > > crappy as "Listen to Me?" > > > > > > Duane > > > > > > > > > > > > "You may be whatever you resolve to be." Thomas J. > > Jackson" > > > > > > "If all mankind minus one were of one opinion and > > only one person were of > > > the contrary opinion, mankind would be no more > > justified in silencing that > > > person that he, if he had the power, would be in > > silencing mankind??? If the > > > opinion is right, they are deprived of the > > opportunity of exchanging error > > > for truth; if wrong, they lose, what is almost as > > great a benefit, the > > > clearer perception and livelier impression of > > truth, produced by its > > > collision with error." John S. Mill > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > eDebate mailing list > > eDebate at ndtceda.com > > To subscribe, UNSUBSCRIBE, and see the subscriber > > list, go here: > > http://ndtceda.com/mailman/listinfo/edebate > > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. >http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 > >_______________________________________________ >eDebate mailing list >eDebate at ndtceda.com >To subscribe, UNSUBSCRIBE, and see the subscriber list, go here: >http://ndtceda.com/mailman/listinfo/edebate From jbruschke Fri Jan 28 14:37:33 2005 From: jbruschke (Bruschke, Jon) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 12:37:33 -0800 Subject: [eDebate] Debateresults page; please submit results and check for accuracy Message-ID: With the first round applications coming so soon after Northwestern, this is my call to the community to check for the accuracy of the posted results. If there's a tournament you attended that isn't posted yet, it's because I haven't received the results from it yet (the exception is the Miami, OH, tournament which will be posted tomorrow). Please contact the tournament director and ask them to submit results to me. If you think you'll be applying for a first round, check the results to date (easily done on the results by debater or team page) and make sure they are accurate. Be especially careful to check elim sides from Kentucky, West Georgia, and Rochester. It will be much easier to make changes over the weekend than in the crunch time after Northwestern. Thanks to everyone for contributing to this community effort! Jon ***** Dr. Jon Bruschke, CSU Fullerton jbruschke at fullerton.edu 714-278-3272 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20050128/c8f38977/attachment.htm From lsd041 Fri Jan 28 15:21:54 2005 From: lsd041 (Scott Deatherage) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:21:54 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] Northwestern Wait List Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20050128151757.01dd3888@lulu.it.northwestern.edu> I regret to say that at this juncture, I don't even have enough room on Sunday for all the teams we have. And it is very tight on Saturday. This is unusual; most times, the problem is on Saturday. I'm still working on rooms (obviously), but at this juncture I can't really take any more teams. If yor are driving and I succeed in coming up with sufficient rooms, I will let you know. But if your decision hinges on purchasing plane tickets today, I would not do so were I you. See all soon. Best. Scott Deatherage Director of Debate Northwestern University Evanston, Illinois From trevor.edebate Fri Jan 28 20:16:16 2005 From: trevor.edebate (Trevor Andreas) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 20:16:16 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] Looking for Kansas State SZ Message-ID: Could one of you backchannel me? I need some cites. Thanks, Trevor Andreas UTD Debate From Zompetti Fri Jan 28 23:38:31 2005 From: Zompetti (Zompetti at aol.com) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 00:38:31 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] NCA panel on arg & pedagogy Message-ID: <08E85F73.25F3D318.008C440C@aol.com> Hi folks... I'm trying to put together a panel on the relationship between argument and critical pedagogy -- although "critical pedagogy" does not necessarily have to based on Freire. Really any sort of critical approach to the teaching of argument would be fine. Let me know if you're interested. I'll need all your contact info, institutional affiliation, and an abstract (or if you don't want to do a paper, let me know if you're interested to chair and/or respond). Thanks! Joe Zompetti From gordonm+ Sat Jan 29 06:03:48 2005 From: gordonm+ (gordonm+ at pitt.edu) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 07:03:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: [eDebate] Navy ruminations Message-ID: <01LK5YA5YNNG002ZHX@mb2i1.ns.pitt.edu> Hi folks. It's great to be back at great debate tournament after a semester hiatus, especially being able to ruminate in pointed discussion with the likes of District VII fellow travelers such as Andrew Barnes, Ace Garen, Cameron Hatzel-Treat, Ed Panetta, Dan Overbey, Naveen Ramachandrappa and Naveen Williams. Some thoughts after the first day: * Remember the 2001 Wake Forest Dixie Classic? The time slot for competitive rounds 7-8 were converted into a public debate forum that featured 15-20 non-competitive public debates on terrorism. The general public and media were invited. Very intriguing format innovation. Has anything similar happened recently? What about bringing this back to District VII, with a time slot on Saturday afternoon created for a similar type of exercise? * Utterance vs. text. Discursive kritiks often tend to be pitched at the level of single utterance, e.g. "he-man"; "Indian country," etc. What happens when a different referent, i.e. TEXT is utilized as the central focus of critique? How well do the tools and approaches of rhetorical criticism map onto critical practice in academic debate? Amandla! Gordo * * * Gordon R. Mitchell Associate Professor of Communication Director of Debate University of Pittsburgh CL 1117, 4200 Fifth Avenue Pittsburgh, PA 15260 (412) 624-8531 http://www.pitt.edu/~gordonm/ From blackdebateguy Sat Jan 29 10:54:12 2005 From: blackdebateguy (doug dennis) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 08:54:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [eDebate] greg simerly Message-ID: <20050129165412.61882.qmail@web50201.mail.yahoo.com> please email me. doug dennis --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20050129/25d239d8/attachment.html From dbteam Sat Jan 29 12:38:07 2005 From: dbteam (dbteam) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 13:38:07 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Doug Dennis - Holla Back Message-ID: <41ECC13C@cliff.westga.edu> i need to talk to you hester From swcedebate Sat Jan 29 15:15:14 2005 From: swcedebate (SWC Debate) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 13:15:14 -0800 Subject: [eDebate] Redlands ST Message-ID: Orion, could you back channel me when you get a sec Thanks, Jason SWC From swcedebate Sat Jan 29 16:15:16 2005 From: swcedebate (SWC Debate) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 14:15:16 -0800 Subject: [eDebate] Case Book for Cal Message-ID: Is there one, and if so can someone point me in the right place. Thanks Jason SWC From swcedebate Sat Jan 29 16:32:57 2005 From: swcedebate (SWC Debate) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 14:32:57 -0800 Subject: [eDebate] Cal Poly Slo Message-ID: Can one of you all bc when you get a chance. Thanks Jason SWC From andyliudebate Sat Jan 29 17:00:46 2005 From: andyliudebate (andy liu) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 23:00:46 +0000 Subject: [eDebate] -->ORION STEELE<-- Message-ID: (please) email abl2002 at columbia.edu i'd appreciate it andy liu From michellekelsey1313 Sat Jan 29 19:39:31 2005 From: michellekelsey1313 (Michelle Kelsey) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 17:39:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [eDebate] Need Judging at Northwestern? Message-ID: <20050130013931.38562.qmail@web52804.mail.yahoo.com> I am available the whole weekend to judge at Northwestern. Just need a place to stay. Let me know if you need some rounds covered Michelle Kelsey ISU Debate --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20050129/8706e469/attachment.htm From sjanthony Sat Jan 29 19:52:25 2005 From: sjanthony (Stacie Anthony) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 20:52:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: [eDebate] Funding cut for forensics program Message-ID: <200501300152.j0U1qPn00657@moc-ux0035.v3.gmti.gbahn.net> This story is being sent to you by Stacie Anthony (sjanthony at interact.ccsd.net) on Saturday, January 29, 2005 at 20:52:24 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.thespectrum.com/news/stories/20050129/localnews/1931048.html Funding cut for forensics program The loss of the Southern Utah University Forensics Program--a sad day. Stacie Stapley Anthony Courtesy of thespectrum.com From hardfeelings Sat Jan 29 20:03:32 2005 From: hardfeelings (joseph carver) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 18:03:32 -0800 Subject: [eDebate] Funding cut for forensics program In-Reply-To: <200501300152.j0U1qPn00657@moc-ux0035.v3.gmti.gbahn.net> References: <200501300152.j0U1qPn00657@moc-ux0035.v3.gmti.gbahn.net> Message-ID: Anyone surprised by this has not spent much time dealing with Utah's educational beaurocrats. they could not care less about forensics or anything that does not translate into dollar signs....just another reason(among the many) why Utah sucks. Sad news for Terry and all those students. jc On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 20:52:25 -0500 (EST), Stacie Anthony wrote: > This story is being sent to you by Stacie Anthony (sjanthony at interact.ccsd.net) on Saturday, January 29, 2005 at 20:52:24 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > http://www.thespectrum.com/news/stories/20050129/localnews/1931048.html > > Funding cut for forensics program > > The loss of the Southern Utah University Forensics Program--a sad day. > Stacie Stapley Anthony > > Courtesy of thespectrum.com > > _______________________________________________ > eDebate mailing list > eDebate at ndtceda.com > To subscribe, UNSUBSCRIBE, and see the subscriber list, go here: > http://ndtceda.com/mailman/listinfo/edebate > -- "What would love be without wishful thinking" Wilco Listen in to HARD FEELINGS, Tuesdays at 11 a.m. on KWCW http://www.hardfeelings.net From veronica_m_barreto Sat Jan 29 22:01:37 2005 From: veronica_m_barreto (Veronica Barreto) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 20:01:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [eDebate] Funding cut for forensics program In-Reply-To: <200501300152.j0U1qPn00657@moc-ux0035.v3.gmti.gbahn.net> Message-ID: <20050130040137.84510.qmail@web54709.mail.yahoo.com> There really aren't words to express my shock. If an established program with decades of history can be wiped out in an instant while a director is across the country at a debate tournament, what's to say that any program can feel secure. Terry is an excellent administrator who coaches a wide range of events with lauded success and yet his program can be traded off so that the university can develop an MA program. I hope the irony isn't lost on anyone that forensics itself is a major vehicle for recruiting and developing MA programs. I send my heartfelt sympathies to all of those who have worked in the interest of SUU's forensics program. I also offer all of our support to any resistance voiced against this decision. Not only are there personal reasons to be upset by SUU's decision to cut forensics funding, but the end of one program can have widespread effects that we as a community don't often contemplate. SUU's loss is the district's loss as well. For example, district IX now has one less district tournament where competitors can warm up, the district can debate one another and novices can have nurturing learning experiences in a healthy novice/JV division. That comes at the cost of the entire district. Also, Weber is now completely isolated as the only program in the state of Utah. The irony is that I learned most of my debate fundamentals at Miami from an SUU alumn, Gavin Williams. The thought that SUU will no longer compete in forensics is virtually unthinkable. Again, you all have our support and if there's anything we can do, please call (702) 493-4953 and just let us know. 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URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20050129/a11512f0/attachment.html From stannardmatt Sun Jan 30 09:39:13 2005 From: stannardmatt (matt stannard) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 08:39:13 -0700 Subject: [eDebate] Letter on Southern Utah Forensics In-Reply-To: <200501300152.j0U1qPn00657@moc-ux0035.v3.gmti.gbahn.net> Message-ID: I sent the following to the opinion pages of The Spectrum, Salt Lake Tribune, and Deseret News: To the Editor: I am not merely saddened by the SUU Trustees' decision to eliminate funding for Southern Utah's century-old forensics program. I am also intellectually and morally disappointed in their reasoning. By framing the funding of both forensics and a Masters Program as a zero-sum game, the Trustees are guilty of an "either/or" fallacy that will ultimately hurt SUU's academic reputation. Hundreds of Communication Studies programs around the country, including some of the most top-ranked programs, consider forensics a vital complimentary component to a strong Communications graduate program. Eliminating funding for speech and debate to fund a Communication Masters program is like eliminating funding for a writing lab in order to fund a graduate program in English. Moreover, research overwhelmingly concludes that speech and debate increases academic achievement across the curriculum. The presence of a debate team on campus is an intellectual barometer for a university. Twenty years ago, as a young member of the speech and debate team at West Jordan High School, I attended my first summer debate camp at Southern Utah University. I would not have gone to college had it not been for my involvement in debate, nor would I (and thousands of others like me) have completed a graduate program in Communication Studies. It's a sad day for speech and debate in the West; not merely because we will miss our friends from Southern Utah. It's a sad day because the Trustees at SUU ended up eliminating the very program most likely to aid them in their quest for academic legitimacy. They ought to reconsider, and restore funding to, the SUU Forensics Team. Matt Stannard Director of Forensics, University of Wyoming Rocky Mountain Regional Representative, Cross Examination Debate Association From raelynn-schwartz Sun Jan 30 09:41:31 2005 From: raelynn-schwartz (Rae Lynn Schwartz) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 09:41:31 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] STAND up Message-ID: <001101c506e2$2c038190$6401a8c0@RaeLynn> Supporting Transformative Action for Non-discrimination in Debate or STAND would like to welcome you to check out are website where you can find out how to be a member, get involved in activities, and nominate someone you think deserves community recognition to receive an award. STAND is a network of individuals and institutions dedicated to actively increasing recruitment and retention of minority populations within academic debate. STAND is designed to be an institutional means for community members to find allies, share ideas, and engage in various forms of community activism and outreach initiatives. Come visit us at http://www.standdebate.org and get in your nominations before February 21st. - On behalf of the members of STAND -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20050130/9bf69d48/attachment.htm From GatorDebate Sun Jan 30 13:00:50 2005 From: GatorDebate (GatorDebate at aol.com) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:00:50 EST Subject: [eDebate] District VI/SE/SEC CEDA Tournament invite? Message-ID: <6a.4defe7a5.2f2e88e2@aol.com> Is there an invite yet for the D6 / SE(C) CEDA Tournament yet? Thanks! frank *************************************************** Frank P. Irizarry Debate Coach/Lecturer/Doctoral Student University of Florida Center for Written and Oral Communication 413 Rolfs Hall PO Box 112032 Gainesville, FL 32611-2032 Tel: 352-392-5421 (Office) Tel: 386-216-3193 (Cell) Fax: 352-392-5420 Gatordebate at aol.com *************************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20050130/da69dc2c/attachment.html From matt_moore85 Sun Jan 30 15:43:25 2005 From: matt_moore85 (Matt Moore) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 15:43:25 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] Augustana Results Message-ID: We are starting the Semis right now in Open. Samford AW v. EMporia DR and Miami (OH) GM v. JCU. Below is a list of all of the teams who cleared. Illinois State won Novice and KCKCC closed out JV finals. I will put out a complete list of results tomorrow after I get some sleep. Top speakers in each division were : Open: Naputi (Emporia), JV: Lawson (KCKCC), and Novice: Day (Illinois State). Matt Augustana College Debate Tournament Teams Qualifying for Elimination Round Open Division Emporia State BN Emporia State DR John Carroll FG Loyola CG Miami (Ohio) GJ Miami (Ohio) GM UMKC CG Samford AW Samford PM Wayne State MP JV Division KCKCC BL KCKCC CT Loyola RS UMKC JS Novice Division Capital BL Illinois State DT Wayne State BH Western/Augustana BB From dcbloomi Sun Jan 30 16:52:16 2005 From: dcbloomi (Daniel Bloomingdale) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:52:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [eDebate] Letter on Southern Utah Forensics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050130225216.17588.qmail@web14125.mail.yahoo.com> The '"trades off with graduate funding" fallacy is precisely the reaoning used to justify dismembering forensics at Penn State University. The reasoning is flawed, but apparently nonetheless persuasive. Forensics coaches beware. --- matt stannard wrote: > I sent the following to the opinion pages of The > Spectrum, Salt Lake > Tribune, and Deseret News: > > To the Editor: > > I am not merely saddened by the SUU Trustees' > decision to eliminate funding > for Southern Utah's century-old forensics program. > I am also intellectually > and morally disappointed in their reasoning. By > framing the funding of both > forensics and a Masters Program as a zero-sum game, > the Trustees are guilty > of an "either/or" fallacy that will ultimately hurt > SUU's academic > reputation. > > Hundreds of Communication Studies programs around > the country, including > some of the most top-ranked programs, consider > forensics a vital > complimentary component to a strong Communications > graduate program. > Eliminating funding for speech and debate to fund a > Communication Masters > program is like eliminating funding for a writing > lab in order to fund a > graduate program in English. Moreover, research > overwhelmingly concludes > that speech and debate increases academic > achievement across the curriculum. > The presence of a debate team on campus is an > intellectual barometer for a > university. > > Twenty years ago, as a young member of the speech > and debate team at West > Jordan High School, I attended my first summer > debate camp at Southern Utah > University. I would not have gone to college had it > not been for my > involvement in debate, nor would I (and thousands of > others like me) have > completed a graduate program in Communication > Studies. > > It's a sad day for speech and debate in the West; > not merely because we will > miss our friends from Southern Utah. It's a sad day > because the Trustees at > SUU ended up eliminating the very program most > likely to aid them in their > quest for academic legitimacy. They ought to > reconsider, and restore > funding to, the SUU Forensics Team. > > Matt Stannard > Director of Forensics, University of Wyoming > Rocky Mountain Regional Representative, Cross > Examination Debate Association > > > _______________________________________________ > eDebate mailing list > eDebate at ndtceda.com > To subscribe, UNSUBSCRIBE, and see the subscriber > list, go here: > http://ndtceda.com/mailman/listinfo/edebate > ===== I should like to be able to love my country and still love justice. --Albert Camus From berchnorto Sun Jan 30 18:22:07 2005 From: berchnorto (NEIL BERCH) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 19:22:07 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] debateresults.com Message-ID: Is debateresults.com down? I've been trying to get there and can't. Jon--if you're out there, please tell me it's not for long! --Neil Berch West Virginia University -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From niravsp Sun Jan 30 18:39:55 2005 From: niravsp (Nirav Patel) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 00:39:55 +0000 Subject: [eDebate] Churchill calls 911 victims "Little Eichmans" that deserved their fate Message-ID: In an interesting turn of events the provocative professor of history at the University of Colorado Ward Churchill has publicly stated that he agrees with the deaths of the 3000+ September 11 victims. He claims their deaths weren't tragic and that they deserved to die because they are part of, "the mighty engine of profit," he also compared the victims as being "little Eichmans!" I think I am able to assess through dialogue with many leading thinkers of the community how they feel about Ward, but this is truly appalling and just messed up. Taking solace in the death of innocent Americans, some who were virtually excluded from the engine of global capital (e.g. immigrants seeking low wage employment) is just sick. I guess ill use my 'edebate space' to encourage discussion on the merits of a controversial thinker who seems integral to many programs 'projects' and individual?s argument choice. The simple question I ask is why advocate a thinker who utilizes discrimination as a method of political change? Best, Nirav Patel U.S. National - AP Colo. Regents Weigh Prof's 9/11 Comments DENVER - The University of Colorado's regents have scheduled a special meeting to consider a professor's essay that said victims of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks deserved to die because they were a willing part of "the mighty engine of profit." The essay by Ward Churchill, chairman of the ethnic studies department and a longtime Indian activist, was written in the aftermath of the attacks. Its contents became known when he was invited to speak at Hamilton College in Syracuse, N.Y. Some relatives of Sept. 11 victims have protested the college's decision to allow Churchill to speak on Thursday, the same day the Colorado regents will meet on the university's Fitzsimons campus. CU Provost Phil DiStefano last week said Churchill's views do not represent the university, but he had a right to express them. A critic, U.S. Rep. Bob Beauprez (news, bio, voting record), R-Colo., said that because Churchill is tenured he apparently is immune from any sanctions by the university but should apologize. There was no answer at Churchill's office phone Sunday, and his private phone is not listed. Following the attacks, Churchill wrote an essay, "Some People Push Back: On the Justice of Roosting Chickens," that hailed the "gallant sacrifices" of the "combat teams" that struck America. He said although the victims were civilians they were not innocent. He went on to describe the World Trade Center victims as "little Eichmanns," a reference to Adolf Eichmann, who organized Nazi leader Adolf Hitler's plan to exterminate Europe's Jews. From berchnorto Sun Jan 30 18:40:43 2005 From: berchnorto (NEIL BERCH) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 19:40:43 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] thanks to Cornell and Navy Message-ID: On behalf of the WVU delegations that traveled north and east this weekend, I want to thank WVU alum Dan Overbey and the USNA debaters, and Jethro Hayman and the Cornell debaters for two fantastic tournaments. Our groups enjoyed two different but excellent tournaments, both of which featured efficiency, great competition, and magnificent hospitality. Together with what was undoubtedly an excellent tournament at Augustana, debaters east of the Mississippi had the opportunity to enjoy 3 full-service, all-division tournaments this weekend. This bodes well (though perhaps next year we'll work on coordinating dates a bit more). --Neil Berch West Virginia University -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20050130/043bc87f/attachment.html From Spmancuso Sun Jan 30 18:57:47 2005 From: Spmancuso (Spmancuso at aol.com) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 19:57:47 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Correction for Augie Finals Message-ID: <750C6D05.3416C642.0294238D@aol.com> I guess Emporia might have prepped for the wrong team in the finals of Augustana. Miami GM beat John Carroll in the Semis, not the reverse as was just reported by Ken D. The final round for the Viking Helmet just began. Steve Mancuso From andy.edebate Sun Jan 30 19:02:04 2005 From: andy.edebate (Andy Ellis) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 20:02:04 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Churchill calls 911 victims "Little Eichmans" that deserved their fate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9368bc9b050130170212d14375@mail.gmail.com> heres the article http://www.kersplebedeb.com/mystuff/s11/churchill.html "Some People Push Back" On the Justice of Roosting Chickens By Ward Churchill -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- When queried by reporters concerning his views on the assassination of John F. Kennedy in November 1963, Malcolm X famously ? and quite charitably, all things considered ? replied that it was merely a case of "chickens coming home to roost." On the morning of September 11, 2001, a few more chickens ? along with some half-million dead Iraqi children ? came home to roost in a very big way at the twin towers of New York's World Trade Center. Well, actually, a few of them seem to have nestled in at the Pentagon as well. The Iraqi youngsters, all of them under 12, died as a predictable ? in fact, widely predicted ? result of the 1991 US "surgical" bombing of their country's water purification and sewage facilities, as well as other "infrastructural" targets upon which Iraq's civilian population depends for its very survival. If the nature of the bombing were not already bad enough ? and it should be noted that this sort of "aerial warfare" constitutes a Class I Crime Against humanity, entailing myriad gross violations of international law, as well as every conceivable standard of "civilized" behavior ? the death toll has been steadily ratcheted up by US-imposed sanctions for a full decade now. Enforced all the while by a massive military presence and periodic bombing raids, the embargo has greatly impaired the victims' ability to import the nutrients, medicines and other materials necessary to saving the lives of even their toddlers. Visit the George W, Bush - International Terrorist website All told, Iraq has a population of about 18 million. The 500,000 kids lost to date thus represent something on the order of 25 percent of their age group. Indisputably, the rest have suffered ? are still suffering ? a combination of physical debilitation and psychological trauma severe enough to prevent their ever fully recovering. In effect, an entire generation has been obliterated. The reason for this holocaust was/is rather simple, and stated quite straightforwardly by President George Bush, the 41st "freedom-loving" father of the freedom-lover currently filling the Oval Office, George the 43rd: "The world must learn that what we say, goes," intoned George the Elder to the enthusiastic applause of freedom-loving Americans everywhere. How Old George conveyed his message was certainly no mystery to the US public. One need only recall the 24-hour-per-day dissemination of bombardment videos on every available TV channel, and the exceedingly high ratings of these telecasts, to gain a sense of how much they knew. In trying to affix a meaning to such things, we would do well to remember the wave of elation that swept America at reports of what was happening along the so-called Highway of Death: perhaps 100,000 "towel-heads" and "camel jockeys" ? or was it "sand niggers" that week? ? in full retreat, routed and effectively defenseless, many of them conscripted civilian laborers, slaughtered in a single day by jets firing the most hyper-lethal types of ordnance. It was a performance worthy of the nazis during the early months of their drive into Russia. And it should be borne in mind that Good Germans gleefully cheered that butchery, too. Indeed, support for Hitler suffered no serious erosion among Germany's "innocent civilians" until the defeat at Stalingrad in 1943. There may be a real utility to reflecting further, this time upon the fact that it was pious Americans who led the way in assigning the onus of collective guilt to the German people as a whole, not for things they as individuals had done, bur for what they had allowed ? nay, empowered ? their leaders and their soldiers to do in their name. If the principle was valid then, it remains so now, as applicable to Good Americans as it was the Good Germans. And the price exacted from the Germans for the faultiness of their moral fiber was truly ghastly. Returning now to the children, and to the effects of the post-Gulf War embargo ? continued bull force by Bush the Elder's successors in the Clinton administration as a gesture of its "resolve" to finalize what George himself had dubbed the "New World Order" of American military/economic domination ? it should be noted that not one but two high United Nations officials attempting to coordinate delivery of humanitarian aid to Iraq resigned in succession as protests against US policy. One of them, former U.N. Assistant Secretary General Denis Halladay, repeatedly denounced what was happening as "a systematic program . . . of deliberate genocide." His statements appeared in the New York Times and other papers during the fall of 1998, so it can hardly be contended that the American public was "unaware" of them. Shortly thereafter, Secretary of State Madeline Albright openly confirmed Halladay's assessment. Asked during the widely-viewed TV program Meet the Press to respond to his "allegations," she calmly announced that she'd decided it was "worth the price" to see that U.S. objectives were achieved. The Politics of a Perpetrator Population As a whole, the American public greeted these revelations with yawns.. There were, after all, far more pressing things than the unrelenting misery/death of a few hundred thousand Iraqi tikes to be concerned with. Getting "Jeremy" and "Ellington" to their weekly soccer game, for instance, or seeing to it that little "Tiffany" an "Ashley" had just the right roll-neck sweaters to go with their new cords. And, to be sure, there was the yuppie holy war against ashtrays ? for "our kids," no less ? as an all-absorbing point of political focus. In fairness, it must be admitted that there was an infinitesimally small segment of the body politic who expressed opposition to what was/is being done to the children of Iraq. It must also be conceded, however, that those involved by-and-large contented themselves with signing petitions and conducting candle-lit prayer vigils, bearing "moral witness" as vast legions of brown-skinned five-year-olds sat shivering in the dark, wide-eyed in horror, whimpering as they expired in the most agonizing ways imaginable. Be it said as well, and this is really the crux of it, that the "resistance" expended the bulk of its time and energy harnessed to the systemically-useful task of trying to ensure, as "a principle of moral virtue" that nobody went further than waving signs as a means of "challenging" the patently exterminatory pursuit of Pax Americana. So pure of principle were these "dissidents," in fact, that they began literally to supplant the police in protecting corporations profiting by the carnage against suffering such retaliatory "violence" as having their windows broken by persons less "enlightened" ? or perhaps more outraged ? than the self-anointed "peacekeepers." Property before people, it seems ? or at least the equation of property to people ? is a value by no means restricted to America's boardrooms. And the sanctimony with which such putrid sentiments are enunciated turns out to be nauseatingly similar, whether mouthed by the CEO of Standard Oil or any of the swarm of comfort zone "pacifists" queuing up to condemn the black block after it ever so slightly disturbed the functioning of business-as-usual in Seattle. Small wonder, all-in-all, that people elsewhere in the world ? the Mideast, for instance ? began to wonder where, exactly, aside from the streets of the US itself, one was to find the peace America's purportedly oppositional peacekeepers claimed they were keeping. The answer, surely, was plain enough to anyone unblinded by the kind of delusions engendered by sheer vanity and self-absorption. So, too, were the implications in terms of anything changing, out there, in America's free-fire zones. Tellingly, it was at precisely this point ? with the genocide in Iraq officially admitted and a public response demonstrating beyond a shadow of a doubt that there were virtually no Americans, including most of those professing otherwise, doing anything tangible to stop it ? that the combat teams which eventually commandeered the aircraft used on September 11 began to infiltrate the United States. Meet the "Terrorists" Of the men who came, there are a few things demanding to be said in the face of the unending torrent of disinformational drivel unleashed by George Junior and the corporate "news" media immediately following their successful operation on September 11. They did not, for starters, "initiate" a war with the US, much less commit "the first acts of war of the new millennium." A good case could be made that the war in which they were combatants has been waged more-or-less continuously by the "Christian West" ? now proudly emblematized by the United States ? against the "Islamic East" since the time of the First Crusade, about 1,000 years ago. More recently, one could argue that the war began when Lyndon Johnson first lent significant support to Israel's dispossession/displacement of Palestinians during the 1960s, or when George the Elder ordered "Desert Shield" in 1990, or at any of several points in between. Any way you slice it, however, if what the combat teams did to the WTC and the Pentagon can be understood as acts of war ? and they can ? then the same is true of every US "overflight' of Iraqi territory since day one. The first acts of war during the current millennium thus occurred on its very first day, and were carried out by U.S. aviators acting under orders from their then-commander-in-chief, Bill Clinton. The most that can honestly be said of those involved on September 11 is that they finally responded in kind to some of what this country has dispensed to their people as a matter of course. That they waited so long to do so is, notwithstanding the 1993 action at the WTC, more than anything a testament to their patience and restraint. They did not license themselves to "target innocent civilians." There is simply no argument to be made that the Pentagon personnel killed on September 11 fill that bill. The building and those inside comprised military targets, pure and simple. As to those in the World Trade Center . . . Well, really. Let's get a grip here, shall we? True enough, they were civilians of a sort. But innocent? Gimme a break. They formed a technocratic corps at the very heart of America's global financial empire ? the "mighty engine of profit" to which the military dimension of U.S. policy has always been enslaved ? and they did so both willingly and knowingly. Recourse to "ignorance" ? a derivative, after all, of the word "ignore" ? counts as less than an excuse among this relatively well-educated elite. To the extent that any of them were unaware of the costs and consequences to others of what they were involved in ? and in many cases excelling at ? it was because of their absolute refusal to see. More likely, it was because they were too busy braying, incessantly and self-importantly, into their cell phones, arranging power lunches and stock transactions, each of which translated, conveniently out of sight, mind and smelling distance, into the starved and rotting flesh of infants. If there was a better, more effective, or in fact any other way of visiting some penalty befitting their participation upon the little Eichmanns inhabiting the sterile sanctuary of the twin towers, I'd really be interested in hearing about it. The men who flew the missions against the WTC and Pentagon were not "cowards." That distinction properly belongs to the "firm-jawed lads" who delighted in flying stealth aircraft through the undefended airspace of Baghdad, dropping payload after payload of bombs on anyone unfortunate enough to be below ? including tens of thousands of genuinely innocent civilians ? while themselves incurring all the risk one might expect during a visit to the local video arcade. Still more, the word describes all those "fighting men and women" who sat at computer consoles aboard ships in the Persian Gulf, enjoying air-conditioned comfort while launching cruise missiles into neighborhoods filled with random human beings. Whatever else can be said of them, the men who struck on September 11 manifested the courage of their convictions, willingly expending their own lives in attaining their objectives. Nor were they "fanatics" devoted to "Islamic fundamentalism." One might rightly describe their actions as "desperate." Feelings of desperation, however, are a perfectly reasonable ? one is tempted to say "normal" ? emotional response among persons confronted by the mass murder of their children, particularly when it appears that nobody else really gives a damn (ask a Jewish survivor about this one, or, even more poignantly, for all the attention paid them, a Gypsy). That desperate circumstances generate desperate responses is no mysterious or irrational principle, of the sort motivating fanatics. Less is it one peculiar to Islam. Indeed, even the FBI's investigative reports on the combat teams' activities during the months leading up to September 11 make it clear that the members were not fundamentalist Muslims. Rather, it's pretty obvious at this point that they were secular activists ? soldiers, really ? who, while undoubtedly enjoying cordial relations with the clerics of their countries, were motivated far more by the grisly realities of the U.S. war against them than by a set of religious beliefs. And still less were they/their acts "insane." Insanity is a condition readily associable with the very American idea that one ? or one's country ? holds what amounts to a "divine right" to commit genocide, and thus to forever do so with impunity. The term might also be reasonably applied to anyone suffering genocide without attempting in some material way to bring the process to a halt. Sanity itself, in this frame of reference, might be defined by a willingness to try and destroy the perpetrators and/or the sources of their ability to commit their crimes. (Shall we now discuss the US "strategic bombing campaign" against Germany during World War II, and the mental health of those involved in it?) Which takes us to official characterizations of the combat teams as an embodiment of "evil." Evil ? for those inclined to embrace the banality of such a concept ? was perfectly incarnated in that malignant toad known as Madeline Albright, squatting in her studio chair like Jaba the Hutt, blandly spewing the news that she'd imposed a collective death sentence upon the unoffending youth of Iraq. Evil was to be heard in that great American hero "Stormin' Norman" Schwartzkopf's utterly dehumanizing dismissal of their systematic torture and annihilation as mere "collateral damage." Evil, moreover, is a term appropriate to describing the mentality of a public that finds such perspectives and the policies attending them acceptable, or even momentarily tolerable. Had it not been for these evils, the counterattacks of September 11 would never have occurred. And unless "the world is rid of such evil," to lift a line from George Junior, September 11 may well end up looking like a lark. There is no reason, after all, to believe that the teams deployed in the assaults on the WTC and the Pentagon were the only such, that the others are composed of "Arabic-looking individuals" ? America's indiscriminately lethal arrogance and psychotic sense of self-entitlement have long since given the great majority of the world's peoples ample cause to be at war with it ? or that they are in any way dependent upon the seizure of civilian airliners to complete their missions. To the contrary, there is every reason to expect that there are many other teams in place, tasked to employ altogether different tactics in executing operational plans at least as well-crafted as those evident on September 11, and very well equipped for their jobs. This is to say that, since the assaults on the WTC and Pentagon were act of war ? not "terrorist incidents" ? they must be understood as components in a much broader strategy designed to achieve specific results. From this, it can only be adduced that there are plenty of other components ready to go, and that they will be used, should this become necessary in the eyes of the strategists. It also seems a safe bet that each component is calibrated to inflict damage at a level incrementally higher than the one before (during the 1960s, the Johnson administration employed a similar policy against Vietnam, referred to as "escalation"). Since implementation of the overall plan began with the WTC/Pentagon assaults, it takes no rocket scientist to decipher what is likely to happen next, should the U.S. attempt a response of the inexcusable variety to which it has long entitled itself. About Those Boys (and Girls) in the Bureau There's another matter begging for comment at this point. The idea that the FBI's "counterterrorism task forces" can do a thing to prevent what will happen is yet another dimension of America's delusional pathology.. The fact is that, for all its publicly-financed "image-building" exercises, the Bureau has never shown the least aptitude for anything of the sort. Oh, yeah, FBI counterintelligence personnel have proven quite adept at framing anarchists, communists and Black Panthers, sometimes murdering them in their beds or the electric chair. The Bureau's SWAT units have displayed their ability to combat child abuse in Waco by burning babies alive, and its vaunted Crime Lab has been shown to pad its "crime-fighting' statistics by fabricating evidence against many an alleged car thief. But actual "heavy-duty bad guys" of the sort at issue now? This isn't a Bruce Willis/Chuck Norris/Sly Stallone movie, after all.. And J. Edgar Hoover doesn't get to approve either the script or the casting. The number of spies, saboteurs and bona fide terrorists apprehended, or even detected by the FBI in the course of its long and slimy history could be counted on one's fingers and toes. On occasion, its agents have even turned out to be the spies, and, in many instances, the terrorists as well. To be fair once again, if the Bureau functions as at best a carnival of clowns where its "domestic security responsibilities" are concerned, this is because ? regardless of official hype ? it has none. It is now, as it's always been, the national political police force, and instrument created and perfected to ensure that all Americans, not just the consenting mass, are "free" to do exactly as they're told. The FBI and "cooperating agencies" can be thus relied upon to set about "protecting freedom" by destroying whatever rights and liberties were left to U.S. citizens before September 11 (in fact, they've already received authorization to begin). Sheeplike, the great majority of Americans can also be counted upon to bleat their approval, at least in the short run, believing as they always do that the nasty implications of what they're doing will pertain only to others. Oh Yeah, and "The Company," Too A possibly even sicker joke is the notion, suddenly in vogue, that the CIA will be able to pinpoint "terrorist threats," "rooting out their infrastructure" where it exists and/or "terminating" it before it can materialize, if only it's allowed to beef up its "human intelligence gathering capacity" in an unrestrained manner (including full-bore operations inside the US, of course). Yeah. Right. Since America has a collective attention-span of about 15 minutes, a little refresher seems in order: "The Company" had something like a quarter-million people serving as "intelligence assets" by feeding it information in Vietnam in 1968, and it couldn't even predict the Tet Offensive. God knows how many spies it was fielding against the USSR at the height of Ronald Reagan's version of the Cold War, and it was still caught flatfooted by the collapse of the Soviet Union. As to destroying "terrorist infrastructures," one would do well to remember Operation Phoenix, another product of its open season in Vietnam. In that one, the CIA enlisted elite US units like the Navy Seals and Army Special Forces, as well as those of friendly countries ? the south Vietnamese Rangers, for example, and Australian SAS ? to run around "neutralizing" folks targeted by The Company's legion of snitches as "guerrillas" (as those now known as "terrorists" were then called). Sound familiar? Upwards of 40,000 people ? mostly bystanders, as it turns out ? were murdered by Phoenix hit teams before the guerrillas, stronger than ever, ran the US and its collaborators out of their country altogether. And these are the guys who are gonna save the day, if unleashed to do their thing in North America? The net impact of all this "counterterrorism" activity upon the combat teams' ability to do what they came to do, of course, will be nil. Instead, it's likely to make it easier for them to operate (it's worked that way in places like Northern Ireland). And, since denying Americans the luxury of reaping the benefits of genocide in comfort was self-evidently a key objective of the WTC/Pentagon assaults, it can be stated unequivocally that a more overt display of the police state mentality already pervading this country simply confirms the magnitude of their victory. On Matters of Proportion and Intent As things stand, including the 1993 detonation at the WTC, "Arab terrorists" have responded to the massive and sustained American terror bombing of Iraq with a total of four assaults by explosives inside the US. That's about 1% of the 50,000 bombs the Pentagon announced were rained on Baghdad alone during the Gulf War (add in Oklahoma City and you'll get something nearer an actual 1%). They've managed in the process to kill about 5,000 Americans, or roughly 1% of the dead Iraqi children (the percentage is far smaller if you factor in the killing of adult Iraqi civilians, not to mention troops butchered as/after they'd surrendered and/or after the "war-ending" ceasefire had been announced). In terms undoubtedly more meaningful to the property/profit-minded American mainstream, they've knocked down a half-dozen buildings ? albeit some very well-chosen ones ? as opposed to the "strategic devastation" visited upon the whole of Iraq, and punched a $100 billion hole in the earnings outlook of major corporate shareholders, as opposed to the U.S. obliteration of Iraq's entire economy. With that, they've given Americans a tiny dose of their own medicine.. This might be seen as merely a matter of "vengeance" or "retribution," and, unquestionably, America has earned it, even if it were to add up only to something so ultimately petty. The problem is that vengeance is usually framed in terms of "getting even," a concept which is plainly inapplicable in this instance. As the above data indicate, it would require another 49,996 detonations killing 495,000 more Americans, for the "terrorists" to "break even" for the bombing of Baghdad/extermination of Iraqi children alone. And that's to achieve "real number" parity. To attain an actual proportional parity of damage ? the US is about 15 times as large as Iraq in terms of population, even more in terms of territory ? they would, at a minimum, have to blow up about 300,000 more buildings and kill something on the order of 7.5 million people. Were this the intent of those who've entered the US to wage war against it, it would remain no less true that America and Americans were only receiving the bill for what they'd already done. Payback, as they say, can be a real motherfucker (ask the Germans). There is, however, no reason to believe that retributive parity is necessarily an item on the agenda of those who planned the WTC/Pentagon operation. If it were, given the virtual certainty that they possessed the capacity to have inflicted far more damage than they did, there would be a lot more American bodies lying about right now. Hence, it can be concluded that ravings carried by the "news" media since September 11 have contained at least one grain of truth: The peoples of the Mideast "aren't like" Americans, not least because they don't "value life' in the same way. By this, it should be understood that Middle-Easterners, unlike Americans, have no history of exterminating others purely for profit, or on the basis of racial animus. Thus, we can appreciate the fact that they value life ? all lives, not just their own ? far more highly than do their U.S. counterparts. The Makings of a Humanitarian Strategy In sum one can discern a certain optimism ? it might even be call humanitarianism ? imbedded in the thinking of those who presided over the very limited actions conducted on September 11. Their logic seems to have devolved upon the notion that the American people have condoned what has been/is being done in their name ? indeed, are to a significant extent actively complicit in it ? mainly because they have no idea what it feels like to be on the receiving end. Now they do. That was the "medicinal" aspect of the attacks. To all appearances, the idea is now to give the tonic a little time to take effect, jolting Americans into the realization that the sort of pain they're now experiencing first-hand is no different from ? or the least bit more excruciating than ? that which they've been so cavalier in causing others, and thus to respond appropriately. More bluntly, the hope was ? and maybe still is ? that Americans, stripped of their presumed immunity from incurring any real consequences for their behavior, would comprehend and act upon a formulation as uncomplicated as "stop killing our kids, if you want your own to be safe." Either way, it's a kind of "reality therapy" approach, designed to afford the American people a chance to finally "do the right thing" on their own, without further coaxing. Were the opportunity acted upon in some reasonably good faith fashion ? a sufficiently large number of Americans rising up and doing whatever is necessary to force an immediate lifting of the sanctions on Iraq, for instance, or maybe hanging a few of America's abundant supply of major war criminals (Henry Kissinger comes quickly to mind, as do Madeline Albright, Colin Powell, Bill Clinton and George the Elder) ? there is every reason to expect that military operations against the US on its domestic front would be immediately suspended. Whether they would remain so would of course be contingent upon follow-up. By that, it may be assumed that American acceptance of onsite inspections by international observers to verify destruction of its weapons of mass destruction (as well as dismantlement of all facilities in which more might be manufactured), Nuremberg-style trials in which a few thousand US military/corporate personnel could be properly adjudicated and punished for their Crimes Against humanity, and payment of reparations to the array of nations/peoples whose assets the US has plundered over the years, would suffice. Since they've shown no sign of being unreasonable or vindictive, it may even be anticipated that, after a suitable period of adjustment and reeducation (mainly to allow them to acquire the skills necessary to living within their means), those restored to control over their own destinies by the gallant sacrifices of the combat teams the WTC and Pentagon will eventually (re)admit Americans to the global circle of civilized societies. Stranger things have happened. In the Alternative Unfortunately, noble as they may have been, such humanitarian aspirations were always doomed to remain unfulfilled. For it to have been otherwise, a far higher quality of character and intellect would have to prevail among average Americans than is actually the case. Perhaps the strategists underestimated the impact a couple of generations-worth of media indoctrination can produce in terms of demolishing the capacity of human beings to form coherent thoughts. Maybe they forgot to factor in the mind-numbing effects of the indoctrination passed off as education in the US. Then, again, it's entirely possible they were aware that a decisive majority of American adults have been reduced by this point to a level much closer to the kind of immediate self-gratification entailed in Pavlovian stimulus/response patterns than anything accessible by appeals to higher logic, and still felt morally obliged to offer the dolts an option to quit while they were ahead. What the hell? It was worth a try. But it's becoming increasingly apparent that the dosage of medicine administered was entirely insufficient to accomplish its purpose. Although there are undoubtedly exceptions, Americans for the most part still don't get it. Already, they've desecrated the temporary tomb of those killed in the WTC, staging a veritable pep rally atop the mangled remains of those they profess to honor, treating the whole affair as if it were some bizarre breed of contact sport. And, of course, there are the inevitable pom-poms shaped like American flags, the school colors worn as little red-white-and-blue ribbons affixed to labels, sportscasters in the form of "counterterrorism experts" drooling mindless color commentary during the pregame warm-up. Refusing the realization that the world has suddenly shifted its axis, and that they are therefore no longer "in charge," they have by-and-large reverted instantly to type, working themselves into their usual bloodlust on the now obsolete premise that the bloodletting will "naturally" occur elsewhere and to someone else. "Patriotism," a wise man once observed, "is the last refuge of scoundrels." And the braided, he might of added. Braided Scoundrel-in-Chief, George Junior, lacking even the sense to be careful what he wished for, has teamed up with a gaggle of fundamentalist Christian clerics like Billy Graham to proclaim a "New Crusade" called "Infinite Justice" aimed at "ridding the world of evil." One could easily make light of such rhetoric, remarking upon how unseemly it is for a son to threaten his father in such fashion ? or a president to so publicly contemplate the murder/suicide of himself and his cabinet ? but the matter is deadly serious. They are preparing once again to sally forth for the purpose of roasting brown-skinned children by the scores of thousands. Already, the B-1 bombers and the aircraft carriers and the missile frigates are en route, the airborne divisions are gearing up to go. To where? Afghanistan? The Sudan? Iraq, again (or still)? How about Grenada (that was fun)? Any of them or all. It doesn't matter. The desire to pummel the helpless runs rabid as ever. Only, this time it's different. The time the helpless aren't, or at least are not so helpless as they were. This time, somewhere, perhaps in an Afghani mountain cave, possibly in a Brooklyn basement, maybe another local altogether ? but somewhere, all the same ? there's a grim-visaged (wo)man wearing a Cling Eastwood smile. "Go ahead, punks," s/he's saying, "Make my day." And when they do, when they launch these airstrikes abroad ? or may a little later; it will be at a time conforming to the "terrorists"' own schedule, and at a place of their choosing ? the next more intensive dose of medicine administered here "at home." Of what will it consist this time? Anthrax? Mustard gas? Sarin? A tactical nuclear device? That, too, is their choice to make. Looking back, it will seem to future generations inexplicable why Americans were unable on their own, and in time to save themselves, to accept a rule of nature so basic that it could be mouthed by an actor, Lawrence Fishburn, in a movie, The Cotton Club. "You've got to learn, " the line went, "that when you push people around, some people push back." As they should. As they must. And as they undoubtedly will. There is justice in such symmetry. ADDENDUM The preceding was a "first take" reading, more a stream-of-consciousness interpretive reaction to the September 11 counterattack than a finished piece on the topic. Hence, I'll readily admit that I've been far less than thorough, and quite likely wrong about a number of things. For instance, it may not have been (only) the ghosts of Iraqi children who made their appearance that day. It could as easily have been some or all of their butchered Palestinian cousins. Or maybe it was some or all of the at least 3.2 million Indochinese who perished as a result of America's sustained and genocidal assault on Southeast Asia (1959-1975), not to mention the millions more who've died because of the sanctions imposed thereafter. Perhaps there were a few of the Korean civilians massacred by US troops at places like No Gun Ri during the early '50s, or the hundreds of thousands of Japanese civilians ruthlessly incinerated in the ghastly fire raids of World War II (only at Dresden did America bomb Germany in a similar manner). And, of course, it could have been those vaporized in the militarily pointless nuclear bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. There are others, as well, a vast and silent queue of faceless victims, stretching from the million-odd Filipinos slaughtered during America's "Indian War" in their islands at the beginning of the twentieth century, through the real Indians, America's own, massacred wholesale at places like Horseshoe Bend and the Bad Axe, Sand Creek and Wounded Knee, the Washita, Bear River, and the Marias. Was it those who expired along the Cherokee Trial of Tears of the Long Walk of the Navajo? Those murdered by smallpox at Fort Clark in 1836? Starved to death in the concentration camp at Bosque Redondo during the 1860s? Maybe those native people claimed for scalp bounty in all 48 of the continental US states? Or the Raritans whose severed heads were kicked for sport along the streets of what was then called New Amsterdam, at the very site where the WTC once stood? One hears, too, the whispers of those lost on the Middle Passage, and of those whose very flesh was sold in the slave market outside the human kennel from whence Wall Street takes its name. And of coolie laborers, imported by the gross-dozen to lay the tracks of empire across scorching desert sands, none of them allotted "a Chinaman's chance" of surviving. The list is too long, too awful to go on. No matter what its eventual fate, America will have gotten off very, very cheap. The full measure of its guilt can never be fully balanced or atoned for. From miamidebate Sun Jan 30 19:02:21 2005 From: miamidebate (Miami Debate Team) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 17:02:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [eDebate] Churchill calls 911 victims "Little Eichmans" that deserved their fate In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050131010221.2668.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com> I think Nirav has an interesting point. Churchill came to speak at Miami last week, and his speech was very interesting and very powerful, but this particular issue of 9-11 was raised by Dr. Voth in the q&a. It became clear that, Churchill wasnt being metaphorical in any of these statements and even may have written that it would be more just if 7 million Americans had died. The most disturbing part of the exchange between Dr. Voth and Churchill was that the faculty facilitating took the microphone from Ben and told him he couldnt ask that "kind of question." But I agree with Nirav and Ben that it is important to question Churchill's entire body of literature when we consider his work in debate or other academic contexts. I certainly came away from the lecture with a completely different view of Churchill's work. Certainly he has important things to say, but I think there is a limit to how much he can inform us when he advocates such reprehensible things. I am deeply troubled by his call to violence (and in fact by the number of students who seemed to agree with him. It's all about the alternative I suppose, and he seems to think that killing innocents is a justifiable response to injustice or imperialism or American evilness. Regardless, I'm glad that someone else raised this issue, because I've been thinking about this issue in the past few days. Sarah Spring Nirav Patel wrote: In an interesting turn of events the provocative professor of history at the University of Colorado Ward Churchill has publicly stated that he agrees with the deaths of the 3000+ September 11 victims. He claims their deaths weren't tragic and that they deserved to die because they are part of, "the mighty engine of profit," he also compared the victims as being "little Eichmans!" I think I am able to assess through dialogue with many leading thinkers of the community how they feel about Ward, but this is truly appalling and just messed up. Taking solace in the death of innocent Americans, some who were virtually excluded from the engine of global capital (e.g. immigrants seeking low wage employment) is just sick. I guess ill use my 'edebate space' to encourage discussion on the merits of a controversial thinker who seems integral to many programs 'projects' and individual?s argument choice. The simple question I ask is why advocate a thinker who utilizes discrimination as a method of political change? Best, Nirav Patel U.S. National - AP Colo. Regents Weigh Prof's 9/11 Comments DENVER - The University of Colorado's regents have scheduled a special meeting to consider a professor's essay that said victims of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks deserved to die because they were a willing part of "the mighty engine of profit." The essay by Ward Churchill, chairman of the ethnic studies department and a longtime Indian activist, was written in the aftermath of the attacks. Its contents became known when he was invited to speak at Hamilton College in Syracuse, N.Y. Some relatives of Sept. 11 victims have protested the college's decision to allow Churchill to speak on Thursday, the same day the Colorado regents will meet on the university's Fitzsimons campus. CU Provost Phil DiStefano last week said Churchill's views do not represent the university, but he had a right to express them. A critic, U.S. Rep. Bob Beauprez (news, bio, voting record), R-Colo., said that because Churchill is tenured he apparently is immune from any sanctions by the university but should apologize. There was no answer at Churchill's office phone Sunday, and his private phone is not listed. Following the attacks, Churchill wrote an essay, "Some People Push Back: On the Justice of Roosting Chickens," that hailed the "gallant sacrifices" of the "combat teams" that struck America. He said although the victims were civilians they were not innocent. He went on to describe the World Trade Center victims as "little Eichmanns," a reference to Adolf Eichmann, who organized Nazi leader Adolf Hitler's plan to exterminate Europe's Jews. _______________________________________________ eDebate mailing list eDebate at ndtceda.com To subscribe, UNSUBSCRIBE, and see the subscriber list, go here: http://ndtceda.com/mailman/listinfo/edebate --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20050130/471a0e13/attachment.htm From cisneros_jd Sun Jan 30 19:13:35 2005 From: cisneros_jd (Josue Cisneros) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 17:13:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [eDebate] CAL caselist? Message-ID: <20050131011335.87072.qmail@web41210.mail.yahoo.com> any word on whether or not there was a case list produced at the swing? dave ===== david cisneros graduate assistant/ma student glenn r. capp debate forum baylor university =============================================== Nowadays most people die of a sort of creeping common sense, and discover when it is too late that the only things one never regrets are one's mistakes. -- Oscar Wilde, The Picture of Dorian Gray __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dromane Sun Jan 30 20:53:32 2005 From: dromane (David Romanelli) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 20:53:32 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] Auggie Thanks Message-ID: Thanks to everyone at Augustana for an excellent tournament. Ryan, Matt, and everyone at Augustana went above and beyond the call of duty to make it a great tournament! Dave From kenedebate Sun Jan 30 20:58:45 2005 From: kenedebate (Ken DeLaughder) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 20:58:45 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] Correction for Augie Finals In-Reply-To: <750C6D05.3416C642.0294238D@aol.com> Message-ID: lol, thanks Steve, I was about to post a retraction... Im an idiot who got it wrong on the cell phone! Congrats on finals, we'll know soon. that helmet is sweet! Ken >From: Spmancuso at aol.com >To: eDebate at ndtceda.com >Subject: [eDebate] Correction for Augie Finals >Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 19:57:47 -0500 > >I guess Emporia might have prepped for the wrong team in the finals of >Augustana. Miami GM beat John Carroll in the Semis, not the reverse as was >just reported by Ken D. > >The final round for the Viking Helmet just began. > >Steve Mancuso > >_______________________________________________ >eDebate mailing list >eDebate at ndtceda.com >To subscribe, UNSUBSCRIBE, and see the subscriber list, go here: >http://ndtceda.com/mailman/listinfo/edebate _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee? Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From matt_moore85 Sun Jan 30 21:38:43 2005 From: matt_moore85 (Matt Moore) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 21:38:43 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] Augustana Finals Results Message-ID: Miami (OH) Negative won on a 2-1 over Emporia DR. I will post full results tomorrow. Congrats to all- the vikings are tired now and Miami is heading home with the helmet. Matt From GatorDebate Sun Jan 30 21:57:55 2005 From: GatorDebate (GatorDebate at aol.com) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:57:55 EST Subject: [eDebate] Churchill and the Debate Community response................... Message-ID: <13f.be747a5.2f2f06c3@aol.com> As someone who actually lost friends in the World Trade Center attack on 9/11, I read what Churchill had to say and I have a few reactions: 1) He is a tenured Professor living in a country that protects his right to vile and hateful speech so he has every right to say what he wants to say but talk about calous disregard for decency. Now the far-left lefties can say it's the Bush administration that has a calous disregard for decency but that argument is a non-sequiter. BOTH Bush and Churchill have a blatant disregard for life and decency. Don't forgive the sins of Churchill because of the sins of Bush. In my opinion, Bush and Churchill each represent bad extremes and it's extremism that scares me most. 2) I always find it almost humorous how the critical leftists like Churchill never include themselves as part of the technocratic capitalist wave sweeping through this country. I'm sure as an academic star that he isn't very well paid for his services to the University of Colorado and I'm sure he's not critical of the technology that brings his vile message to the masses and I'm sure he doesn't personally profit from his book sales and speaking tours. I'm sure he does all of this out of twisted benevolence (smell the sarcasm). 3) If it were a conservative that made similarly calous comments the leftist elites in this country would be calling for his/her head. The left wing did in Lott and they're tyring to do in Summers as well for saying stupid shit not nearly as evil and harmful as what Churchill said but the left wing will be largely silent on what he said. Which brings me to number four..... 4) What do I expect to be the response of the debate community? Absolutely fucking nothing. Zero, zilch, nada, not a peep, not a word. There will be no fiery condemnations on edebate. No call to boycott his books and to stop reading Churchill evidence in rounds will take place. We certainly won't have a cute little petition to sign at the NDT this year condemning an irresponsible use of rhetoric by someone who should know better. No crying and handwringing and expressions of moral outrage will come from this community. Why? because the moderate to conservative voice will remain silent for fear of being called conservative or close-minded. The leftists will find some critical mumbo jumbo reason to support Churchill and shout down any voice of dissent as being "intolerant." It is sad and I hope someone proves me wrong but I'm not holding my breath. Just hoping the silent majority doesn't stay so silent on this one. frank gator debate In a message dated 1/30/2005 7:42:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, niravsp at hotmail.com writes: In an interesting turn of events the provocative professor of history at the University of Colorado Ward Churchill has publicly stated that he agrees with the deaths of the 3000+ September 11 victims. He claims their deaths weren't tragic and that they deserved to die because they are part of, "the mighty engine of profit," he also compared the victims as being "little Eichmans!" I think I am able to assess through dialogue with many leading thinkers of the community how they feel about Ward, but this is truly appalling and just messed up. Taking solace in the death of innocent Americans, some who were virtually excluded from the engine of global capital (e.g. immigrants seeking low wage employment) is just sick. I guess ill use my 'edebate space' to encourage discussion on the merits of a controversial thinker who seems integral to many programs 'projects' and individual?s argument choice. The simple question I ask is why advocate a thinker who utilizes discrimination as a method of political change? Best, Nirav Patel *************************************************** Frank P. Irizarry Debate Coach/Lecturer/Doctoral Student University of Florida Center for Written and Oral Communication 413 Rolfs Hall PO Box 112032 Gainesville, FL 32611-2032 Tel: 352-392-5421 (Office) Tel: 386-216-3193 (Cell) Fax: 352-392-5420 Gatordebate at aol.com *************************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20050130/e68e1f88/attachment.html From debate Sun Jan 30 22:03:04 2005 From: debate (debate at ou.edu) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:03:04 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] Churchill discussion Message-ID: I?d first like to thank Andy for posting Churchill?s article. I certainly hope that those first compelled by the impulse to rash judgment in the face of (admittedly) emotionally evocative suggestions we?re interested enough in fairness to consider the context of Churchill?s accusations. Let?s clear a few things up?Churchill never stands in solidarity with those who wish death upon american civilians. Never does he characterize those deaths as ?wholly justified? or those who carried them out as ?heroes.? We are a community of relatively intelligent and free thinking people; I?m sure we?ve come to accept that not everything which is said on ?Scarborough Country? passes the test of limited scrutiny. Churchill?s invocation of the germans offers proper context. He suggests (not unreasonably) that america?s insistence that all WWII era germans are just as guilty of the wholesale slaughter of entire populations as the few who administered and justified it is ironic in the face of our primary disinterest in, and often celebration of, our governments similarly murderous policies carried out for years against the Islamic world. Indeed, americans rejoiced in the images of distant explosions and residential areas being set ablaze, both continually regurgitated by ?fair and balanced? network news, in the early 90?s ?surgical? bombings of iraq?s civilian infrastructure. Is the applause received by our dictators, ahem, presidents, by and large dissimilar to the ?heil Hitlers? erupting from berlin in the 30s and 40s? Are those ?acts of terrorism,? visited upon ?civilian targets? which occurred on September 11th by and large dissimilar to those ?acts of war? visited upon ?milit ary targets? (i.e. highways, water purification facilities, etc.) in ?Desert Storm?? What is it that allows us to conveniently dismiss as incomparable the 19 ?fundamentalist hijakers? using jets as weapons, and ?flyover? (a euphemism for ?bomb the fuck out of?) campaigns carried out in the interest of US economic/diplomatic/democratic/whatever objectives? What is the fundamental distinction between americans calling for a nuremberg hanging of Adolph Eichmenn, and Osama and Friends calling for an attack on those who operate and maintain the economic and military infrastructures of the Pax Americana? I am not at all interested in condoning either of these demands for fugitive justice; however, I too note a striking resemblance. The world trade center, for those of us who relish daily in the privilege that it assures 1/5 of the world, does invoke a sense of commonality. Those who work in buildings like it, as we conceive of them, are no different than any of us ordinary americans, trying to feed families and pay bills. However, is it really unimaginable that to some of Earth?s inhabitants the world trade center represents a crucial cog in the machinery of a global capitalist superstructure which has impoverished their neighbors, their children, their lands, and themselves of a dignified livelihood? Is there an enormous dist inction to be observed between such sentiments and those of the Jews, who demanded the death of all those who operated in complicity and even contribution to the nazi extermination of their loved ones? Is their any reasonable difference between the feelings of Jews, that the doorpersons of the death camps were murders, and those of many of the world?s population, that the privileged classes of the west, who work tirelessly all day to see to the execution of economic/political/military strategies which ensure their demise, are guilty as well? Why are our brothers and sisters ?innocent civilians,? theirs? ?contributors? or ?agents? at best, ?collateral damage? at worst? While we are on this subject, I think that it is time that the debate community DOES begin to interrogate the authors/perspectives we are comfortable endorsing! Is it fair to disqualify Churchill?s entire body of work because of a potentially disagreeable remark? Should we also refuse to entertain the ?enlightened? Heidegger given that he was a nazi; or does this not hit close enough to home? Is it fair to dismiss the warranted and even factual claims that Churchill makes with regard to the slaughter of this hemisphere?s indigenous people and the ongoing silence regarding it? Might renewed infatuation with Chuchill?s politics be a classic example of the apparently unproblematic ?post?-modernism/structuralism/humanism/flavor-of-the-weekism?s projection of our own exclusions onto the disorderly? But what kinds of perspectives are we comfortable endorsing and affirming? How many times have we been compelled by Khalilzad that american domination of the planet, despite its shortcomings (murderous and genocidal tendencies), is necessary to prevent those violent and savage Others from fucking up and starting a nuclear war? How many times has Mead convinced us that institutional racism should be PERPETUALLY ignored lest we become vulnerable to ?another saving private ryan?? How many times have these authors been the subject of our raised eyebrows? More specifically here, how many times has our consideration of ongoing indigenous genocide been outweighed because, as the ?Sheimer says, ?realism is inevitable! Nothing interrupts a good pow-wow quicker than a nuclear war?? How many times have other issues been utilized, even by the left, to delay serious criticism leveled at the ground beneath our feet and our claim to it? I hope to make this clear: Mine is not an effort, by any stretch of the imagination, to call out the members of our community who read any of this evidence/make any of these arguments! I think that those debaters who know me find that, though I do prefer a debate round without murray evidence, I?m quite warm toward those who feel differently. I consider many members of my district who routinely kick my ass on similar arguments to be great friends. And, though I disagree with Nirav on this question, I consider him to be one of the most intelligent and accommodating members of the community I?ve thus far encountered. What I do hope to do is make clear that OU CJ will continue to read Ward Churchill evidence, and perhaps this is a debate we will have often. However, I pray you that no one imagine that Conor or I believe the tragic victims of a war which came home on September 11th to be worthy of their fate. Nor do we believe that our author feels so. spread peace blake From richarddebate Sun Jan 30 22:53:40 2005 From: richarddebate (Rich debate) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 20:53:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [eDebate] QUEST please.. what is the highschool topic this year? In-Reply-To: <20050130170043.22047.30853.Mailman@hsdebate.com> Message-ID: <20050131045340.38644.qmail@web21001.mail.yahoo.com> wanting to start volunteering at my local hs. have some free time. was active in hs and college debate. want to brief myself on the hs topic before i show up and look stupid. thanks richarddebate at yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From pipkins1 Sun Jan 30 23:09:12 2005 From: pipkins1 (Stephen Richard Pipkin) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 00:09:12 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Churchill Discussion Message-ID: "If there was a better, more effective, or in fact any other way of visiting some penalty befitting their participation upon the little Eichmanns inhabiting the sterile sanctuary of the twin towers, I'd really be interested in hearing about it. " I was wondering what part of that quote from the Churchill article doesn't characterize the deaths as "wholly justified" or consider the victims not "worthy of their fate"? I think it's misleading to characterize Churchill as anything other than supporting the 9/11 attacks and more attacks like it. From miamidebate Sun Jan 30 23:16:31 2005 From: miamidebate (Miami Debate Team) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 21:16:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [eDebate] Churchill discussion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050131051632.24448.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> <> I actually care to disagree, even if he might not explicity stand in solidarity with those who wish death on americans, he certainly does justify and make rationalizations for their actions. To me this is dangerously close to the same act. I seriously doubt his comments are anything like what is said On "Scarborough County" in fact he has just written a book about this, and published articles on the subject which seems to suggest to me that he believes very seriously about these arguments. <> First, I'll say that I don't think the US government's actions that you reference are justified, I dont see what prevents a responsible person from condemning both American actions and the actions of terrorists. But I think it is fundamental mischaracterization of Churchill's argument when you say he compares them to the German people. He calls those killed in 9-11 "little Eichmans", Eichman planned and executed the Holocaust. This is not at all similar to those working the WTC, in fact, its not even close. This seems to be a very explicit justification for violence against those in the WTC. And even if they were like the German citizens, it is not justifiable to kill them. <> I understand that these acts are similar, but it seems to me that nothing can justify more these US acts than more terrorism. We went to Afghanistan and arguably Iraq as a response to 9-11. It seems pretty easy to make the argument that is only justifies more violence. <> Yes, there is a reasonable difference, the Nazis, including Eichmann planned and oversaw the wholesale elimination of the Jewish population in Europe. This is nothing similar to drinking Starbucks coffee. It is more than a little disrepectful and dare I say trite to compare the actions. I think the obvious distinction here is intent. Yes, Americans are apathetic and probably do bad things, should they be killed, no. I never condone vigilante justice, but genocide is certainly an act that is deserving of punishment more than being a cog in the capitalist system. <> Alright, I think we shouldn't outright reject these authors for these remarks. But I'll quibble with the "potentially disagreeable" part, this type of argument is something that should be taken lightly, in fact, I think that the explicit justification of violence is something that should be taken very seriously. Heidegger was a nazi, does that inform his work, it is certainly up to debate. People who run his arguments have to debate about this all the time. Thus, it seems like we can also question Churchill's work in the same kind of light. I think it is especially poignant in the case of Churchill because his advocacy in the past has had some violent aspects (AIM) and this seems to be an alternative to his critique. He seemingly is saying that in the face of injustice, people should kill those who are responsible (especially, in fact, those only indirectly responsible) for this injustice. That's all I have to say about this, but it is naive to believe that Churchill is not saying that those victims (yes, victims) of 9-11 were worthy of their fate. In fact, that is his argument. Sarah Spring --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20050130/f144912b/attachment.htm From elliottdarren Sun Jan 30 23:19:38 2005 From: elliottdarren (DARREN ELLIOTT) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 23:19:38 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] Augustana Thanks Message-ID: The Blue Devils would like to thank Matt, Becky, Ryan and all the Auggie Debaters for their hard work and excellent tournament. Our 3rd year in a row and I can't stress what a good time it is. It's nice to see people we dont debate against a lot and meet up for a weekend with some old friends. A nice, well-paced tournament and great hospitality. It was good to see a bigger D3 presence this year too. Congrats to Emporia--nice showing Hornets and especially to Tiara for winning Top Speaker! Others should join us next year. Congrats to Loyola and UMKC who gave us some excellent competition and two good Semis rounds. Thanks Auggie!! Chief and the Devils Darren Elliott Director of Debate KCKCC From andyliudebate Sun Jan 30 23:27:38 2005 From: andyliudebate (andy liu) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 05:27:38 +0000 Subject: [eDebate] Churchill discussion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Nirav's post was poignant because he noted that many who died in the World Trade Center attack were "immigrants seeking low wage employment." These attacks took place in the morning, so many "heartless capitalists" hadn't arrived to work but many overnight janitors and service industry employees were around. You characterize this thus: <"Those who work in buildings like it, as we conceive of them, are no different than any of us ordinary americans, trying to feed families and pay bills. However, is it really unimaginable that to some of Earth?s inhabitants the world trade center represents a crucial cog in the machinery of a global capitalist superstructure which has impoverished their neighbors, their children, their lands, and themselves of a dignified livelihood."> It's not simply that you have blind-spots (you don't take into consideration the 'ordinary' people working in the buildings - although that's no good either) but that you uncritically and dogmatically ignore that many who died had more in common with the victims of economic hegemony in the third world than they did with "us [middle-class] ordinary americans": "How can a Left that claims to defend workers' rights ignore the fact that in the World Trade Center attack an estimated 1,000 labor union members were killed; approximately 1,500 lost a parent; and hundreds of undocumented immigrants may have also perished, but their families were unable to step forward to governmental authorities because of their illegal residence in the United States?" [Manning Marable, The Great Wells of Democracy: The Meaning of Race in American Life, p. 295] I also suspect that both yours and Churchill's invocations of Nazi analogies directly contradict the thrust of one of his better articles, "Assaults on Truth and Memory: Holocaust Denial in Context" (http://www.zmag.org/zmag/articles/dec96churchill.htm). He once argued that the monumentalization of the Holocaust made other forms of violence seem trivial by comparison. In turn, this monumentalization meant other violence could be dismissed as less severe so long as it was compared to the Holocaust. For Churchill, this means people could/can say the American Indian genocide was/is unimportant compared to the Holocaust. This also allows the Bush administration to justify violence abroad, as long as it is characterized as a crusade against a Holocaust-like Third World dictatorship. But then this cuts both ways, and if you want to compare the Bush administration to the Holocaust, then anti-American violence can't compare then, can it? andy liu >From: debate at ou.edu >To: edebate at ndtceda.com >Subject: [eDebate] Churchill discussion >Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:03:04 -0600 > >I?d first like to thank Andy for posting Churchill?s article. I certainly >hope that those first compelled by the impulse to rash judgment in the face >of (admittedly) emotionally evocative suggestions we?re interested enough >in fairness to consider the context of Churchill?s accusations. > Let?s clear a few things up?Churchill never stands in solidarity with >those who wish death upon american civilians. Never does he characterize >those deaths as ?wholly justified? or those who carried them out as >?heroes.? We are a community of relatively intelligent and free thinking >people; I?m sure we?ve come to accept that not everything which is said on >?Scarborough Country? passes the test of limited scrutiny. > Churchill?s invocation of the germans offers proper context. He suggests >(not unreasonably) that america?s insistence that all WWII era germans are >just as guilty of the wholesale slaughter of entire populations as the few >who administered and justified it is ironic in the face of our primary >disinterest in, and often celebration of, our governments similarly >murderous policies carried out for years against the Islamic world. >Indeed, americans rejoiced in the images of distant explosions and >residential areas being set ablaze, both continually regurgitated by ?fair >and balanced? network news, in the early 90?s ?surgical? bombings of iraq?s >civilian infrastructure. Is the applause received by our dictators, ahem, >presidents, by and large dissimilar to the ?heil Hitlers? erupting from >berlin in the 30s and 40s? Are those ?acts of terrorism,? visited upon >?civilian targets? which occurred on September 11th by and large dissimilar >to those ?acts of war? visited upon ?milit >ary targets? (i.e. highways, water purification facilities, etc.) in >?Desert Storm?? What is it that allows us to conveniently dismiss as >incomparable the 19 ?fundamentalist hijakers? using jets as weapons, and >?flyover? (a euphemism for ?bomb the fuck out of?) campaigns carried out in >the interest of US economic/diplomatic/democratic/whatever objectives? > What is the fundamental distinction between americans calling for a >nuremberg hanging of Adolph Eichmenn, and Osama and Friends calling for an >attack on those who operate and maintain the economic and military >infrastructures of the Pax Americana? I am not at all interested in >condoning either of these demands for fugitive justice; however, I too note >a striking resemblance. The world trade center, for those of us who relish >daily in the privilege that it assures 1/5 of the world, does invoke a >sense of commonality. Those who work in buildings like it, as we conceive >of them, are no different than any of us ordinary americans, trying to feed >families and pay bills. However, is it really unimaginable that to some of >Earth?s inhabitants the world trade center represents a crucial cog in the >machinery of a global capitalist superstructure which has impoverished >their neighbors, their children, their lands, and themselves of a dignified >livelihood? Is there an enormous dist >inction to be observed between such sentiments and those of the Jews, who >demanded the death of all those who operated in complicity and even >contribution to the nazi extermination of their loved ones? Is their any >reasonable difference between the feelings of Jews, that the doorpersons of >the death camps were murders, and those of many of the world?s population, >that the privileged classes of the west, who work tirelessly all day to see >to the execution of economic/political/military strategies which ensure >their demise, are guilty as well? > > Why are our brothers and sisters ?innocent civilians,? theirs? >?contributors? or ?agents? at best, ?collateral damage? at worst? > > While we are on this subject, I think that it is time that the debate >community DOES begin to interrogate the authors/perspectives we are >comfortable endorsing! Is it fair to disqualify Churchill?s entire body of >work because of a potentially disagreeable remark? Should we also refuse >to entertain the ?enlightened? Heidegger given that he was a nazi; or does >this not hit close enough to home? Is it fair to dismiss the warranted and >even factual claims that Churchill makes with regard to the slaughter of >this hemisphere?s indigenous people and the ongoing silence regarding it? >Might renewed infatuation with Chuchill?s politics be a classic example of >the apparently unproblematic >?post?-modernism/structuralism/humanism/flavor-of-the-weekism?s projection >of our own exclusions onto the disorderly? > But what kinds of perspectives are we comfortable endorsing and affirming? > How many times have we been compelled by Khalilzad that american >domination of the planet, despite its shortcomings (murderous and genocidal >tendencies), is necessary to prevent those violent and savage Others from >fucking up and starting a nuclear war? How many times has Mead convinced >us that institutional racism should be PERPETUALLY ignored lest we become >vulnerable to ?another saving private ryan?? How many times have these >authors been the subject of our raised eyebrows? > More specifically here, how many times has our consideration of ongoing >indigenous genocide been outweighed because, as the ?Sheimer says, ?realism >is inevitable! Nothing interrupts a good pow-wow quicker than a nuclear >war?? How many times have other issues been utilized, even by the left, to >delay serious criticism leveled at the ground beneath our feet and our >claim to it? > I hope to make this clear: Mine is not an effort, by any stretch of the >imagination, to call out the members of our community who read any of this >evidence/make any of these arguments! I think that those debaters who know >me find that, though I do prefer a debate round without murray evidence, >I?m quite warm toward those who feel differently. I consider many members >of my district who routinely kick my ass on similar arguments to be great >friends. And, though I disagree with Nirav on this question, I consider >him to be one of the most intelligent and accommodating members of the >community I?ve thus far encountered. > What I do hope to do is make clear that OU CJ will continue to read Ward >Churchill evidence, and perhaps this is a debate we will have often. >However, I pray you that no one imagine that Conor or I believe the tragic >victims of a war which came home on September 11th to be worthy of their >fate. Nor do we believe that our author feels so. > >spread peace >blake > > >_______________________________________________ >eDebate mailing list >eDebate at ndtceda.com >To subscribe, UNSUBSCRIBE, and see the subscriber list, go here: >http://ndtceda.com/mailman/listinfo/edebate From Spmancuso Mon Jan 31 00:01:56 2005 From: Spmancuso (Spmancuso at aol.com) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 01:01:56 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Props to Augie Message-ID: <17C76510.3D39D1BA.0294238D@aol.com> Thanks to Ryan, Matt, Jim (and his Rib Haven), and the Augie debaters for putting on an extremely gracious and efficient tournament. It was a great experience for all the Red Hawks. Steve Mancuso From olneyce Mon Jan 31 00:29:18 2005 From: olneyce (Charles Olney) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 01:29:18 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Churchill and the Debate Community response................... In-Reply-To: <13f.be747a5.2f2f06c3@aol.com> References: <13f.be747a5.2f2f06c3@aol.com> Message-ID: <90b4af80501302229fa93490@mail.gmail.com> > 1) He is a tenured Professor living in a country that protects his right to > vile and hateful speech so he has every right to say what he wants to say > but talk about calous disregard for decency. Now the far-left lefties can > say it's the Bush administration that has a calous disregard for decency but > that argument is a non-sequiter. BOTH Bush and Churchill have a blatant > disregard for life and decency. Don't forgive the sins of Churchill because > of the sins of Bush. In my opinion, Bush and Churchill each represent bad > extremes and it's extremism that scares me most. No one brought Bush up. > 2) I always find it almost humorous how the critical leftists like Churchill > never include themselves as part of the technocratic capitalist wave > sweeping through this country. I'm sure as an academic star that he isn't > very well paid for his services to the University of Colorado and I'm sure > he's not critical of the technology that brings his vile message to the > masses and I'm sure he doesn't personally profit from his book sales and > speaking tours. I'm sure he does all of this out of twisted benevolence > (smell the sarcasm). He may be an idiot, but are you really rolling with the hypocrisy card here? You've got nothing better on Churchill than that he sells books? > 3) If it were a conservative that made similarly calous comments the leftist > elites in this country would be calling for his/her head. The left wing did > in Lott and they're tyring to do in Summers as well for saying stupid shit > not nearly as evil and harmful as what Churchill said but the left wing will > be largely silent on what he said. Which brings me to number four..... When Churchill is a powerful member of the government or the president of the most famous university in the world, maybe he'll get as much press coverage. But that's pretty much the only difference. Methinks you're mistaking Churchill for a much more famous person. But the mysterious "Left" you're so angry about would be plenty angry and vocal about it if John Kerry had made these comments. And rightly so. > 4) What do I expect to be the response of the debate community? Absolutely > fucking nothing. Zero, zilch, nada, not a peep, not a word. There will be > no fiery condemnations on edebate. No call to boycott his books and to stop > reading Churchill evidence in rounds will take place. We certainly won't > have a cute little petition to sign at the NDT this year condemning an > irresponsible use of rhetoric by someone who should know better. No crying > and handwringing and expressions of moral outrage will come from this > community. Why? because the moderate to conservative voice will remain > silent for fear of being called conservative or close-minded. The leftists > will find some critical mumbo jumbo reason to support Churchill and shout > down any voice of dissent as being "intolerant." "Zero, zilch, nada, not a peep, not a word" You keep using these words. I do not think they mean what you think they mean. I'd just like to point out the message you were *responding* to: > In a message dated 1/30/2005 7:42:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, > niravsp at hotmail.com writes: > In an interesting turn of events the provocative professor of history at the > University of Colorado Ward Churchill has publicly stated that he agrees > with the deaths of the 3000+ September 11 victims. He claims their deaths > weren't tragic and that they deserved to die because they are part of, "the > mighty engine of profit," he also compared the victims as being "little > Eichmans!" I think I am able to assess through dialogue with many leading > thinkers of the community how they feel about Ward, but this is truly > appalling and just messed up. Taking solace in the death of innocent > Americans, some who were virtually excluded from the engine of global > capital (e.g. immigrants seeking low wage employment) is just sick. I guess > ill use my 'edebate space' to encourage discussion on the merits of a > controversial thinker who seems integral to many programs 'projects' and > individual's argument choice. The simple question I ask is why advocate a > thinker who utilizes discrimination as a method of political change? Am I missing something here? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. Maybe this is supposed to be ironic? Anyways, I don't get the joke. Cheers, Charles -- >From the Hundred Year War to the Crimea With the lance and the musket and the roman spear To all of the men who have stood with no fear In the service of the king Before you met your fate be sure you did not forsake Your lover...may not be around anymore --The Clash From stannardmatt Mon Jan 31 02:39:38 2005 From: stannardmatt (matt stannard) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 01:39:38 -0700 Subject: [eDebate] churchill et al In-Reply-To: <90b4af80501302229fa93490@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Both sides in the debate over Ward Churchill's 9-11 comments--calling those who perished in the WTC "little Eichmans"--have a preference for hyperbole over science. While there is a place for outrage over both the "efficient" destruction wrought by capitalism and the barbaric "kill-em-all-and-let-god-sort-it-out" tactics of Islamic terrorists (and both east and west alternate between efficient and barbaric killing as it suits them), both sides of the debate are guilty of talking largely out of their butts when it comes to making points about scale, magnitude, intent, and tactical justification. Even those who also condemn both Al Qaeda and American imperialism don't always do so consistently or carefully. It seems as if everyone (and I am not excusing myself for the past couple of years) is off-the-cuff across the board at a time when it would greatly benefit all of us to rigorously study the relationship between a system and its subjects. Indignant hyperbole, the reduction of a mass of people to an emotive label like "Eichman," and conservative blather about leftist professors ought to be transformed into informed comparisons, serious confrontation of the spaces we all occupy, and fair-minded criticism of Churchill's blind spots. Although few activist-writers are as disciplined as Ward Churchill when it comes to recording the history of colonialism's crimes, and the Native American case for recognition and reparation are irrefutable and immediate, Churchill's failure has always been in coherently describing the enemy, and in so doing, tying the indiginist struggle into the larger struggle against capitalism. There are reasons for these limitations beyond his own rhetorical and political choices, and even with those choices, he is a valuable political ally, and his writings are invaluable resources especially for people from all walks of life who are just learning about the magnitude of colonialism. But as I read Churchill's "little Eichmans" phrase, and the entirety of the work in which it appears, I can't fight the feeling that such deliberate phrasing is symptomatic of a rhetorical commitment that is judgmental, presumptuous, and bourgeois. The phrase itself is an inaccurate metaphor. What is worse is that its composer likely knows it to be so. [Churchill may reply, has replied, that he doesn't give a crap about tying the indigenist struggle to other struggles. He and M. Annette James and others have eloquently pointed out that the indiginist struggle is unique, a foundation for other struggles, and requires an indigenous vanguard. I sympathize with all those arguments, but Churchill has always made the choice--a valid choice--to enter into dialogue with others on the left, and it was Churchill himself who once said that all peoples are and were colonized. More importantly, it's as foolish for indigenists to take other struggles for granted as for those on the anti-capitalist left to ignore indigenous struggles.] As Andy Liu pointed out, many of the so-called Eichmans weren't even in the building yet, but many poor working people were. Now, there is a certain type of trendy lefty who delights in being harshly dismissive about this fact, displaying a kind of hardheartedness that seems impressive to the cadre; they get to appear tough on "collaborators" at little personal and political cost. But for me, our struggle makes little sense if we don't look at how innocent conscripts and custodians and couriers are casualties in 1944 Berlin, 1991-2003 Baghdad, 2001 New York City, etc.--and how unacceptable that always is. One gets the impression that Churchill wouldn't blink if he learned that some of those who died cleaning the offices of the alleged little Eichmans were poor, indigenous workers. There's a war on, he'd say, people are gonna die if they take jobs working for the bad guys. The problem is that the other side is saying that too, and in both cases it's true: War is what happens when powerful people--whether renegade sons of rich Saudis or rich transplanted Texans--make casualties out of the powerless in order to make money and promote regressive, distopian visions. Still, to say that Churchill's declaration is insensitive and unwarranted (and bad for the cause of righteous resistance) is not to excuse or affirm the predictable conservative condemnation of that declaration. It's even more ignorant to simply dismiss all questions of the way citizen-subjects are constituted in the dialectic of hegemony and resistance, to just say "Can you believe it, that commie called 'em all little Eichmans...for shame!" Questions of culpability and collaboration seems like a distraction to me unless they are contextualized by serious inquiry into who is truly culpable. The relationship between capitalist/colonialist exploitation and terrorist forms of resistance is relatively simple: When one side oppresses, it allows and invites cynical manipulators to align themselves with the oppressed and commit further destruction. Both sides are scoring their points on the backs of the poor and powerless. Both sides have successfully brainwashed large segments of their populations into carrying out their dirty work. Being brainwashed doesn't make someone an Eichman. Stepping into the shoes of the poor and powerless--whether those be fireman's boots, the shoes of Iraqi conscripts, those of Afghan women, or the kids from Wyoming who've died in Iraq--may not always yield comfortable ideological lines, but it is an absolute prerequisite to fighting for a world in which people are treated as means and not ends. And somewhere, under all of this, there's a way of thinking, a radical understanding of how precarious we constituted subjects are, that says even little Eichmans are victims. That kind of radical love may not be historically possible, but it wouldn't hurt to allow its impossibility to haunt us a little. stannard From let_the_american_empire_burn Mon Jan 31 03:20:19 2005 From: let_the_american_empire_burn (Kevin Sanchez) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 03:20:19 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] Churchill discussion Message-ID: i have many reservations about churchill's text (republished here, http://www.kersplebedeb.com/mystuff/s11/churchill.html), but i have to put them aside for now in order to confront the narrowness of what passes for political discourse. one responder wrote: "Now the far-left lefties can say it's the Bush administration that has a calous disregard for decency but that argument is a non-sequiter. BOTH Bush and Churchill have a blatant disregard for life and decency. Don't forgive the sins of Churchill because of the sins of Bush." first, bush has personally authorized wars that resulted in the mass murder of tens of thousands of civilians. churchill commands no military; instead he defends a militant response to imperialism. second, bush's and churchill's opposing viewpoints clearly haven't recieved equal hearing in the court of american opinion. on the legitimacy of using state violence in afghanistan and irak to spread democracy, there has been much public debate; on the legitimacy of using non-state violence in the u.s.a to resist imperialism, there has been no public debate. so my first reaction to churchill's article was 'someone finally said it out loud'. it's vital for those residing here to grapple with a defense of anti-american terrorism written by an american 'like us', and not some far off muslim mountain-dweller. after all, how can anyone hope to grasp why folks would willingly fly planes into crowded buildings if they cannot even bear to listen to a well-reasoned advocacy? understandibly, it's very difficult to coldly reason our way through these matters. someone once said: 'i'm a believer in justice; but i'll defend my mother before i'll defend justice'. the question is, what's to be done when one's own mother has murdered the children of mothers elsewhere? yes, ward churchill's text is callous - gruesomely so. but the more significant question is, is it fair? .k (kevin.sanchez at gmail.com) From berchnorto Mon Jan 31 06:56:03 2005 From: berchnorto (NEIL BERCH) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 07:56:03 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] WVU entries close tomorrow Message-ID: Hi, everyone! Entries remain unchanged from late last week (just about everyone we're still expecting to hear from was at a tournament this weekend). Entries close tomorrow (Tuesday) at 4:00 pm. Please get them in by then so that I can open up preference sheets as early as Wednesday. We're still awaiting entries from Capital, Rochester, Binghamton, NY Coalition, JMU, Navy, and Georgia State, and we're still expecting partial octas in all 3 divisions. Please use the Bruschke page (apparently, my reported difficulties there yesterday were just that--mine). Other schools welcome, too! Early weather forecasts are for no precipitation and highs in the 40s. We won't promise that, but we'll hope! --Neil Berch West Virginia University -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <90b4af80501302229fa93490@mail.gmail.com> References: <13f.be747a5.2f2f06c3@aol.com> <90b4af80501302229fa93490@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9368bc9b0501310611cfd9f68@mail.gmail.com> 1) can we agree that some of the people who where killed in the wtc where engineers of economic exploitation and destruction that for the sake of feeding their families where willing to see other people die and thus not "innocent"? 2)Wherent eichaman and his people just hard working germans trying to feed their families? 3) how many engineers of world capital markets do you know who worked on offices high up in the world trade center go to work from 9-5? 4)would it have been acceptable to any of the churchill haters if the 200 people in the towers who most closely fit churchills description of little eichmans had been rounded up by al queda gun men and summarily executed instead of everybody dying?or better yet extradited to afghanistan or saudi arabia for a fair trial then executed after the case had been made against them? 5)can we hate osama hate bush yet still recognize that if we as "innocent americans" dont begin to change our democracy now, that churchills comments about efficacy as callous as they may be are correct and are saying what other callous people already know. i.e. can we take churchills attempt to show the rationale behind these attacks as a warning sign and a demand foro action on our part notbecause he is morally right but because he has shown how easy this argument of equivalancy is to constuct in the status quo? From overbey Mon Jan 31 08:59:26 2005 From: overbey (Daniel Overbey) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:59:26 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Navy Elim Results Message-ID: Thank you all for joining us in Annapolis this past weekend. Since I pawned off my speaking responsibilities at the banquet I need to thank a couple people: 1. Frank Harrison, for supporting Navy Debate in every possible way for many years. Frank is truly a "Friend of the Program" and I don't know whether he loves the Mids more or they love him. 2. Lisa Wilson, for returning to help us administer the tournament after a brief hiatus. Having Lisa managed to bridge the geographic gap between the buildings and make the tournament run more efficiently. 3. My Debaters. My Midshipmen (and a couple who were volunteers, not even affiliated with the team) were perfect. Anytime a request was made of them they executed. This included everything from cleaning up after 250 of you to shoveling snow on Sunday morning so you could safely get into Mahan hall. 4. All our participants, you make this tournament what it is, the effort that all of you put into the spirited competition and the cooperation with us when we continue to push to make the tournament more efficient. We also had a couple schools in Annapolis who had been unable to make it for a few years, and we were glad to see them. But, what you want, the results: OCTAFINAL ROUND RESULTS Georgia CD (Neg) defeated Wayne State Universi BT 2-1 *Staiti, D Walters, H Hall, Mich Pittsburgh JM (Aff) defeated Boston College BC 3-0 Willemin, Dunn, Mat Sampson, R George Washington LW (Neg) defeated Wake Forest KP 2-1 Bowman, Pa Katsulas, *Barnett, James Madison GM (Neg) defeated Mary Washington (univ PW 2-1 Kuswa, Kev *Morris, E Sovacool, Pittsburgh EW (Neg) defeated U.s. Military Academ KW 2-1 *Mccauliff Ramachandr Lancaster, Liberty University HH (Neg) defeated Sw Missouri State U MO 2-1 *Kimble, A Squire, Do Pomorski, George Mason Univers BH (Neg) defeated Catholic University S3-0 Jenkins, E Mitchell, O'donnell, Trinity University LM (Aff) defeated Georgia MR 3-0 Weiner, Ja Goss, Judy Barnes, An QUARTERFINAL ROUND RESULTS Georgia CD (Neg) defeated Trinity University LM 2-1 Bowman, Pa Willemin, *Ross, Joh Pittsburgh JM (Neg) defeated George Mason Univers BH 2-1 Lyle, Jim Kuswa, Kev *Barnes, H George Washington LW (Neg) defeated Liberty University HH 3-0 Devault, C Mika, Jaso Morrison, Pittsburgh EW (Aff) defeated James Madison GM 3-0 Dunn, Mat Panetta, E Barnett, A SEMIFINAL ROUND RESULTS Georgia CD (Neg) defeated Pittsburgh EW 3-0 Verney, Da Sovacool, Devault, C George Washington LW (Aff) defeated Pittsburgh JM 2-1 Dutcher, J *Lyle, Jim Dunn, Mat FINAL ROUND RESULTS Georgia CD (Aff) defeated George Washington LW 3-0 Weitz, Mik Sovacool, Dutcher, J ELIMINATION ROUND RESULTS IN DIVISION TWO: JV OCTAFINAL ROUND RESULTS Trinity University RT Advances without debating Liberty University CK Advances without debating Pittsburgh FW Advances without debating Liberty University MS Advances without debating Liberty University PS Advances without debating Liberty University BB Advances without debating Wayne State Universi GV (Neg) defeated Vanderbilt EM 2-1 Angat, Jom *Garen, Ad Hagan, Mic Richmond (univ. Of R MR (Aff) defeated Pittsburgh MM 3-0 Devault, C Dutcher, J Holland, S QUARTERFINAL ROUND RESULTS Trinity University RT (Aff) defeated Richmond (univ. Of R MR3-0 Pomorski, O'donnell, Verney, Da Wayne State Universi GV (Aff) defeated Liberty University CK3-0 Barnes, An Sampson, R Mitchell, Liberty University BB (Aff) defeated Pittsburgh FW 2-1 Dutcher, J *Bittner, Lancaster, Liberty University MS Advances Over Liberty University PS SEMIFINAL ROUND RESULTS Trinity University RT (Aff) defeated Liberty University MS 2-1 Weitz, Mik Barnes, He *Kuswa, Ke Wayne State Universi GV (Aff) defeated Liberty University BB2-1 Nagy, John *Mitchell, Mccauliff, FINAL ROUND RESULTS Trinity University RT (Aff) defeated Wayne State Universi GV2-1 Verney, Da *Panetta, Weigler, J ELIMINATION ROUND RESULTS IN DIVISION THREE: NOVICE OCTAFINAL ROUND RESULTS Clarion University DZ Advances without debating Liberty University HP Advances without debating Liberty University BM Advances without debating Liberty University DO Advances without debating Mary Washington (univ OS (Neg) defeated Liberty University K3-0 Goins, Dar Craw, Ashl Weitz, Mik George Mason Univers GW Advances Over George Mason Univers C Mary Washington (univ HH (Neg) defeated Liberty University H2-1 *Cusick, C Bittner, B Barnes, He Mary Washington (univ BB (Aff) defeated West Virginia Univer3-0 Weigler, J Hall, Heat Wenzlaff, QUARTERFINAL ROUND RESULTS Clarion University DZ (Aff) defeated Mary Washington (univ B3-0 Sovacool, Klindest, Aurelio, B Liberty University HP (Aff) defeated Mary Washington (univ H3-0 Hausrath, Weitz, Mik Hartwig, E Liberty University BM (Aff) defeated George Mason Univers GW2-1 Woods, Car *Nagy, Joh Weigler, J Liberty University DO (Neg) defeated Mary Washington (univ O3-0 Jenkins, E Ramachandr Strait, Pa SEMIFINAL ROUND RESULTS Liberty University DO (Neg) defeated Clarion University DZ 2-1 *Morrison, Weigler, J Hagan, Mic Liberty University HP Advances Over Liberty University BM FINAL ROUND RESULTS Liberty University DO Advances Over Liberty University HP From greenjm5 Mon Jan 31 09:10:26 2005 From: greenjm5 (Justin Green) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:10:26 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] JV/Novice Nationals at Georgetown!!!!! Message-ID: Top 5 Reasons to Attend: 5 - No pizza served by the tournament, but lunch both days 4 - Judges win awards based on debater input 3 - Outrounds at the Hotel 2 - It's in D.C. - nightlife and restaurants galore 1 - Celebrate Debate for Novice and JV debaters!!!! REGISTER TEAMS by February 4th to guarantee entry: After Feb 4th, we will not guarantee schools entry - it will be first come first serve. Plenty of room exists now - sign up. Clarification of Judges Eligibility: We ask that all judges be "done debating intercollegiate policy debate". A bachelor's is not required. We apologize for not placing this in the tournament invitation. DIRECTORS/COACHES: The hotel block officially closes on February 2nd - no guaranteed availability after that. 20 King-sized rooms per night were added to the initial block - doubles are limited, but the hotel will add a cot in the room for you. We are looking forward to having you and the community share our campus and visit D.C. If you have any questions, concerns, or ways to make the experience better - please let us know. Justin Green on behalf of Georgetown Debate BELOW FOLLOWS THE TOURNAMENT INVITATION: Dear Debate Community, The Georgetown Philodemic Program would like to invite you to attend the JV/Novice National Championships at Georgetown on March 5-7, 2005. Picking up the tradition of the Cherry Blossom tournament, we promise to provide fine debates, hospitality and an opportunity for you to see D.C. We have secured rooms at the Sheraton National located 10 minutes from campus and will have outrounds AT THE HOTEL. We will provide fine awards to debaters AND judges in the spirit of Towson. We look forward to seeing you in D.C. Format: We will debate the 2004-5 topic: "Resolved: that the United States Federal Government should establish an energy policy requiring a substantial reduction in the total non-governmental consumption of fossil fuels in the United States. Time limits for speeches are 9-3-6 with ten minutes of preparation time. There will be seven preliminary rounds. Rounds one and two will be pre-set. Round 7 will be flip for sides. Eligibility for Divisions: We will follow the CEDA rules for eligibility at the START OF THE YEAR. If a contestant meets JV/Novice eligibility at the beginning of the year, they may compete in that division at Nationals, regardless of their performance throughout the year. Those who qualify for the NDT this year are eligible to debate, but if you qualified for the NDT last year, by CEDA rules a team is ineligible to compete. CEDA rules can be seen in By-law VII, Section 3 of the CEDA Constitution (http://webs.wichita.edu/depttools/depttoolsmemberfiles/ceda/constitution.pdf) Georgetown teams may compete in the tournament. Hybrids: Hybrids are allowed if they meet one of two conditions. 1) Schools that usually travel together under the same program banner. Past examples include: NYU Coalition, Vassar/Bard, etc. 2) Otherwise debaters would not have a partner. Elimination Rounds: We will clear up to a full Double-Octofinals. A team must have at least a 4-3 record to advance. We will not break brackets. Advancing teams will be up to the discretion of the coach and the school involved. ENTRY Deadline: Please enter the tournament by February 4, 2004 using the Brushke Entry System (www.debateresults.com or http://commweb.fullerton.edu/jbruschke/web/index.aspx). We will have 70 rooms available on the main campus all within a 10 minute walking distance from one another. After that date e-mail or phone entries directly to Justin Green (jmg78 at georgetown.edu; 703-855-6177). Entries after this date are subject to campus room availability. If entries fill up by February 4, 2004, we will honor 2 entries per school and then on a first enter basis. Varsity Division: We don't intend to have one right now. If space and interest exist - we will announce in late January the opening of the Varsity division. Judging: Each school should provide seven rounds of judging per two teams entered. We will round up on judging committments (one judge covering one team will be responsible for four debates). All judges will be required to judge through the octo-final elimination round or one round after your last team is eliminated whichever occurs later. A limited number of judges will be available for hire at $25 per round ($125.00 per uncovered team). Food: We will provide lunch Saturday and Sunday and refreshments throughout the day (water, coffee, fruit, etc.) at the tournament. We will provide specific catering to vegetarian and vegan and will try our best to provide nutritional food. We will NOT SERVE PIZZA unless our caterers cancel on us. Fees: $110 per team. This includes food for the debaters and one coach per team as well as parking on campus. If you have additional observers or judges beyond this will cost $20. Kids of coaches and debaters eat free. If any school/program faces financial difficulties we will do our best to make sure you can come. Please contact Justin Green (jmg78 at georgetown.edu) with your concerns and requests. If any director would like to know the breakdown of our finances upon conclusion of the tournament, also feel free to contact us. Travel/Airports: Reagan National airport is less than 15 minutes away from the hotel. Dulles and Baltimore Airports are roughly 45 minutes away. Transportation: Each school is expected to provide their own transportation to and from the tournament. Hotel: We will use the Sharaton National located on Columbia Pike less than 10 minutes from the school. It offers a view of the monuments, the Pentagon, Arlington Cemetary, and the Potomac. We have a rate of $89 per night. The hotel is located at 900 South Orme Street Arlington, Virginia 22204. This is peak season for D.C. and feel this room rate is probably the best you will find especially given the location. Parking is free. The website for reservations: http://www.starwoodmeeting.com/Book/debate. Check in on March 4 out on March 7. If you need to talk with an individual call at (703) 521-1900 and ask for group sales. Tell them you are with the Georgetown University National Debates. ENTERTAINMENT - The Washington Post Entertainment Guide: http://eg.washingtonpost.com/ FOOD - The Washington Post Food Guide - http://www.washingtonian.com/dining/ - Vegetarians - http://vegdc.org The Schedule: Friday March 4 Registration 8-11 PM Registration - Round 1 and 2 Released online Saturday March 5 Round 1 - 9 AM Round 2 - 11 AM Lunch Provided in the Inter-Cultural Center Lobby Round 3 - 1:30 PM Round 4 - 4:00 PM Sunday March 6 Round 5 - 8:30 AM Round 6 - 11 AM Lunch Provided in the Inter-Cultural Center Lobby Round 7 - 1:30 PM Partial-Double Octofinals if necessary - at the school Monday March 7 - AT THE HOTEL Pairings released at 8:15 Octofinals - 9:00 AM Awards after Octofinals Outrounds to follow accordingly From andy.edebate Mon Jan 31 11:06:00 2005 From: andy.edebate (Andy Ellis) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:06:00 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] lets talk about ceda redistricting Message-ID: <9368bc9b050131090674b7366f@mail.gmail.com> Hello, I had some conversations with some folks about this at cornell this weekend and i would like to begin this discussion publicaly, my primary concern is about the east but im sure that it could be relvaqnt to others as well. 1)Ceda East is at least twice the size of the next closest district- it includes va,wva,md,dc,de,nj,ri,ct,pa,nh,ma, ny, vt , me, basicaly the entire east coast from virginia north. This includes at least 35 seperate member schools. By far the biggest region. 2)With the exception of west virginia almost nobody south of the ny pa border attends regional tournaments in the north east regualrly. While there are occasional tournaments that find people from the north half of the distric travelling south and vice versa for all intents and puproses there is a ceda east north and a ceda east south. 3)CEDA regions are important for program development and for regional development, they form a community of consistent competition and the points competition is a good year long baromoter of program success, however in the currently configured ceda east it is a much stiffer competition than it is for any other ceda region which creates an inequity for programs attempting to win regional sweepstakes awards. 4) Splitting the regions would create two entriely viable regions heres an example ceda east north could include harvard dartmouth cornell binghamton usma vermont rochester nyu bc bard buffalo middlebbury fordham western connecticut marist columbia pace umass west virginia ceda easst south could include liberty mary washington clarion pittsburgh jmu richmond towson gmu georgetown catholic george washington navy kings howard west virginia as to viability both of these regions would be larger than most existing regions, with several competitive schools in each region. Just some thoughts for discussion i would be interested to hear what people have to say andy ellis From matt_gerber27 Mon Jan 31 11:46:14 2005 From: matt_gerber27 (Matt Gerber) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 11:46:14 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] UTD- Herndon or Burk Message-ID: Could one of yall get back to me please? Gerber From hunt Mon Jan 31 12:12:51 2005 From: hunt (hunt at lclark.edu) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:12:51 -0800 Subject: [eDebate] Funding cut for forensics program In-Reply-To: <20050130040137.84510.qmail@web54709.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050130040137.84510.qmail@web54709.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2147483647.1107166371@howard-18-178.lclark.edu> I am saddened by the potential loss of the S Utah program which I have seen in action for 30 years. My suggestion is that alumni and parents be contacted about this potential loss. There must be hundreds of S Utah forensics alumni, many of whom are probably prominent politicians, judges, lawyers, business people, educators, etc. Their voices might be more effective on state legislators. There is also much data on the value of forensics and campaign programs in defense of forensics from previously threatened programs. I hope S UTah can protect and defend and succeed in reversing this decision SBH From jbhdb8 Mon Jan 31 12:14:10 2005 From: jbhdb8 (Josh Hoe) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:14:10 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Churchill discussion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Actually he makes both the argument that it is ironic that US lives count more/we have no outrage about Iraqi civillian deaths AND the argument that US civillians deserved to die because they are mini-eichmans. Its one thing to be an apologist but there is NO way to read that para about 9-11 any other way. Josh On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 03:20:19 -0600, Kevin Sanchez wrote: > i have many reservations about churchill's text (republished here, > http://www.kersplebedeb.com/mystuff/s11/churchill.html), but i have to put > them aside for now in order to confront the narrowness of what passes for > political discourse. one responder wrote: > > "Now the far-left lefties can say it's the Bush administration that has a > calous disregard for decency but that argument is a non-sequiter. BOTH Bush > and Churchill have a blatant disregard for life and decency. Don't forgive > the sins of Churchill because of the sins of Bush." > > first, bush has personally authorized wars that resulted in the mass murder > of tens of thousands of civilians. churchill commands no military; instead > he defends a militant response to imperialism. > > second, bush's and churchill's opposing viewpoints clearly haven't recieved > equal hearing in the court of american opinion. on the legitimacy of using > state violence in afghanistan and irak to spread democracy, there has been > much public debate; on the legitimacy of using non-state violence in the > u.s.a to resist imperialism, there has been no public debate. > > so my first reaction to churchill's article was 'someone finally said it out > loud'. it's vital for those residing here to grapple with a defense of > anti-american terrorism written by an american 'like us', and not some far > off muslim mountain-dweller. > > after all, how can anyone hope to grasp why folks would willingly fly planes > into crowded buildings if they cannot even bear to listen to a well-reasoned > advocacy? > > understandibly, it's very difficult to coldly reason our way through these > matters. someone once said: 'i'm a believer in justice; but i'll defend my > mother before i'll defend justice'. the question is, what's to be done when > one's own mother has murdered the children of mothers elsewhere? > > yes, ward churchill's text is callous - gruesomely so. but the more > significant question is, is it fair? > > .k (kevin.sanchez at gmail.com) > > > _______________________________________________ > eDebate mailing list > eDebate at ndtceda.com > To subscribe, UNSUBSCRIBE, and see the subscriber list, go here: > http://ndtceda.com/mailman/listinfo/edebate > From sstopp Mon Jan 31 12:21:58 2005 From: sstopp (Sarah Topp) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:21:58 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] ATTN: HEART OF AMERICA PARTICIPANTS!!! READ THIS Message-ID: <42024E78@webmail.ku.edu> COACHES AND DEBATERS ATTENDING THE HEART: Because we have chosen to use the Bruschke online entry system this year, we have not gathered the information necessary to create the Heart Book. Please fill in the following information and send it to sarah.topp at gmail.com as soon as possible. (A quick note: Please feel free to include jokes and funnies. Please remember that lots of other people will see these comments, however, so be somewhat appropriate. We reserve the right to leave out things we find particularly offensive or over the top. We will get a giggle out of them first though.) Coaches, please submit the following for each team and its members: TEAM NAME: Debater #1: Hometown: Year in School: Major(s): Occupational Plans: Debater #2: Hometown: Year in School: Major(s): Occupational Plans: Additional Comments: Team Name #2: Debater #1: Hometown: Year in School: Major(s): Occupational Plans: Debater #2: Hometown: Year in School: Major(s): Occupational Plans: Additional Comments: Students, there will be a coaches section as well. Please submit the following to sarah.topp at gmail.com. Coach's Name: Hometown: Coaching philosophy: Additional Comments: From ccooper Mon Jan 31 12:39:25 2005 From: ccooper (Chris Cooper) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:39:25 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Churchill Message-ID: <06a601c507c4$3092d200$6a01a8c0@gracelinks.local> There's an easy way out of all this: a consistent condemnation of killing in all its forms. There are no innocents. And there is no excuse for murdering anyone, innocent or not. Churchill is an ass for losing this larger point in the rather petty attempt to explicate a hypocrisy. Is their a better way of holding the mini-Eichmanns accountable short of murdering them? You bet your sweet ass there is, Churchill. Chris Cooper Public / Media Relations Director GRACE - Global Resource Action Center for the Environment 215 Lexington Avenue, Suite 1001 New York, NY 10016 www.gracelinks.org 212-726-9161 --------------------------------------------- What is The Meatrix?? - www.TheMeatrix.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20050131/e6a0a53d/attachment.htm From Mikedavis13 Mon Jan 31 13:21:36 2005 From: Mikedavis13 (Mikedavis13 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:21:36 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] District Six/ SE and SEC Regional Invite Message-ID: <23E8CF8E.5D495D60.3C1F2675@aol.com> 2005 Southeast and Southeast Central CEDA / District 6 Joint Regional Championship Tournament February 25th?27th, 2005 Georgia State University, Atlanta Dear Colleague, You and your students are cordially invited to the annual Southeast and Southeast Central CEDA / District 6 NDT Qualifier Joint Regional Championship Tournament to be held on the campus of George State University in Atlanta. Entry is OPEN to ALL CEDA members, regardless of region. Professor Joe Bellon will again serve as our host, and the tournament will be operated under the direction of Southeast CEDA Representative Michael Davis, Southeast Central CEDA Representative Ed Lee and District 6 Representative Ross Smith. The tournament will be held in conjunction with the District 6 National Debate Tournament Qualifying Tournament at GSU. The tournament will once again feature three divisions of CEDA debate: Open, Junior and Novice. Divisions will not be collapsed. All teams participating in elimination rounds will receive awards, as will the top four teams and the top five speakers from each region in each division. Based on NDT bid allocations, the top X number of Open teams seeking a bid to the NDT will NOT be eligible for elimination rounds. The hotel for the SE/SEC CEDA regional championship and District 6 tournament will be the Renaissance Atlanta Hotel Downtown. This is the same hotel that we used for the GSU tournament this year. We have obtained a special rate of $84/night. The hotel includes free high-speed internet with your phone charge and will have self-parking at $10 per day. Rooms have been reserved for Thursday, Friday, and Saturday nights. We look forward to seeing you in Atlanta. If you have questions about the tournament, please do not hesitate to contact me. If you have needs beyond that, please contact Joe Bellon at gsudebate at mindspring.com. Sincerely, Michael Davis, Ed Lee, Ross Smith SE CEDA Representative, SEC CEDA Representative,District 6 Representative Tournament Information Eligibility All active members of the Cross Examination Debate Association are invited to participate. To be eligible for regional awards, schools in Southeast CEDA must join or renew their membership in the regional organization with a $20 membership fee payable at the tournament. Southeast Central schools may also join at the tournament through their own organization (contact Ed Lee for the particulars). Each school may enter as many teams as it wishes in each division. Eligibility for Open, Junior Varsity, and Novice will be consistent with the current CEDA standards, and each coach will be required to sign a form to certify that each of his/her debaters is eligible to compete in their respective division. Michael Davis must receive entries before 5:00 p.m. eastern time on Friday, February 18th, 2005. If you have Open teams wishing to qualify for the NDT, please indicate as such in your entry. Format The 2004-2005 CEDA Resolution will be debated. Six preliminary rounds with appropriate elimination rounds will be offered in each division. Speaking times will be 9-3-6 with 10 minutes of preparation time. Brackets will NOT be broken in elimination rounds. Awards Awards will be given to all teams reaching the elimination rounds. In addition, the top four teams from each region in each division will receive awards. The top five speakers from each region will be given an award as well. The winner of the final round in each division will be declared the champion of that division. Subsequent rankings for the regional competition will be based upon the furthest elimination round reached, then the number of ballots received in elimination rounds, then the record in preliminary rounds. Judges Each school must provide one qualified judge for every two teams or fraction thereof. All judges are obligated one round beyond the point their team is eliminated. All judges must post a judging philosophy on Planet Debate (www.planetdebate.com) by the time of your entry, and judging preclusions should also be identified with the entry. In the past, Judging Statements were compiled into a tournament participant booklet but in order to cut down on copying, I will post a list of teams and judges after the Friday deadline to allow people the opportunity to compile their own judge information. Fees (checks should be made out to SE CEDA) $65.00 per team entered $80.00 judging fee per uncovered team $20.00 membership fee (SE CEDA only) Accommodations The hotel for the SE/SEC CEDA regional championship and District 6 tournament will be the Renaissance Atlanta Hotel Downtown. This is the same hotel that we used for the GSU tournament this year. We have obtained a special rate of $84/night. The hotel includes free high-speed internet with your phone charge and will have self-parking at $10 per day. Rooms have been reserved for Thursday, Friday, and Saturday nights. If you have needs beyond that, please contact Joe Bellon at gsudebate at mindspring.com. The block is available right now. Call 888-391-8724 or 404-881-6000. Ask for the Debate Tournament room block. More info about the hotel, including directions, can be found at http://marriott.com/property/propertypage.mi?marshaCode=ATLBR THE BLOCK CLOSES ON FEBRUARY 10, so call right now. Registration will take place at the hotel in our hospitality room. We will announce the location of the room as soon as we can. The room will be listed under Joe Bellon's name. We have obtained conference space in the hotel on Sunday such that we can have elim debates in the hotel. We will also arrange for breakfast in the hotel Sunday morning. As usual, we will have breakfast and lunch on campus Saturday. Schedule Friday, February 25, 2005 11:00 ? 1:00 pm Registration, Renaissance 3:00 Pairings at GSU 3:30 Round I 6:00 Round II Saturday, February 26, 2005 8:30 Pairings at GSU 9:00 Round III 11:30 Round IV 2:30 Round V 4:45 Student Meeting 5:45 Round VI Sunday, February 27, 2005 7:30 Pairings at the Renaissance 8:30 Elimination Rounds Begin 11:30 Awards 12:30 Elimination Rounds Continue To Enter Please forward the following information to Michael Davis as soon as possible (Deadline, February 18, 2005, 5:00 p.m. eastern time): School Director E-mail Address Phone #?s Fax # Open Teams (first and last names, please) Junior Teams (first and last names, please) Novice Teams (first and last names, please) Judge(s) (identify any teams they should not judge) Judge(s) one page philosophy statements should be posted on Planet Debate Send your entry to: Michael Davis (through any of the following means of communication) The best way is to email to Mikedavis13 at aol.com Phone 706-540-9158 From jbhdb8 Mon Jan 31 13:32:35 2005 From: jbhdb8 (Josh Hoe) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:32:35 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Churchill In-Reply-To: <06a601c507c4$3092d200$6a01a8c0@gracelinks.local> References: <06a601c507c4$3092d200$6a01a8c0@gracelinks.local> Message-ID: Ahh there is a problem though - Churchill is no pacifist ;) Josh On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:39:25 -0500, Chris Cooper wrote: > --> > > > There's an easy way out of all this: a consistent condemnation of killing in > all its forms. There are no innocents. And there is no excuse for > murdering anyone, innocent or not. > > > > Churchill is an ass for losing this larger point in the rather petty attempt > to explicate a hypocrisy. > > > > Is their a better way of holding the mini-Eichmanns accountable short of > murdering them? > > > > You bet your sweet ass there is, Churchill. > > > > Chris Cooper > > Public / Media Relations Director > > GRACE - Global Resource Action Center for the Environment > > 215 Lexington Avenue, Suite 1001 > > New York, NY 10016 > > www.gracelinks.org > > 212-726-9161 > > --------------------------------------------- > > What is The Meatrix?? - www.TheMeatrix.com > > > > From privethedge Mon Jan 31 14:03:51 2005 From: privethedge (Duane Hyland) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:03:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [eDebate] Churchill In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050131200351.11736.qmail@web50907.mail.yahoo.com> I suppose in the end that Churchill had a right to say what he said, even if I think he's an idiot for saying. Ted Rall has said some "interesting" things about 9/11 and subsequent events which have been along the same line and that has gone largely unoticed, unless you get GOP literature..In the end, he had the right to say it, but dang...it was messed up..Duane "You may be whatever you resolve to be." Thomas J. Jackson" "If all mankind minus one were of one opinion and only one person were of the contrary opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that person that he, if he had the power, would be in silencing mankind? If the opinion is right, they are deprived of the opportunity of exchanging error for truth; if wrong, they lose, what is almost as great a benefit, the clearer perception and livelier impression of truth, produced by its collision with error." John S. Mill --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20050131/c8400f46/attachment.html From alfred.snider Mon Jan 31 14:48:46 2005 From: alfred.snider (Alfred C. Snider) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:48:46 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Cornell results Message-ID: The best food ever, family friendly atmosphere, good competition. Mad props to Cleo for hospitality. OPEN SPEAKERS 1. D'Amico, Rochester 2. Davis, Bard 3. Crooks, Bard 4. Meany, Vermont 5. Landsman-Roos, Vermont 6. Sullivan, USMA 7. Czapla, Rochester 8. Sanders, Vermont 9. Hitchcock, Vermont 10. Kimerer, Vermont OPEN SEMIS 1 Bard DC 4 Rochester GM, Rochester 3-0 2. Rochester DG Vermont FM. Rochester 3-0 OPEN FINALS Rochester close-out JV SPEAKERS 1. Pan, USMA 2. Bazemopre, USMA 3. Nocera, Marist 4. Allen, New York 5. Rogers, West Virginia 6. Hitchcock, Rochester 7. Thong, Marist 8. Keller, Vermont 9. Messina, New York 10. Melton, Marist JV QUARTERS 1 USMA BP 8 Marist WM, USMA 3-0 4 NY XX 5 Marist TN, Marist 3-0 3 Rochester LH 6 NY WM, NY 3-0 2. West Virginia RZ 7 Vermont HK, Vermont 2-1 JV SEMIS USMA BP Marist TN, USMA 3-0 NY WM Vermont HK, NY 2-1 JV FINALS Jethro needs to give me the results. I will post them when I have them. NOVICE SPEAKERS 1. Lilla Nakushu, Bard 2. Kent, USMA 3. Warner, USMA 4. Hammet, USMA 5. Flores, Western Connecticut 6. Elkin, Rochester 7. Jost, USMA 8. Smith, Rochester 9. Weston, Bard 10. Godbey, West Virginia NOVICE QUARTERS 1 USMA KW Rochester SE, USMA 3-0 4 Western Connecticut FT 5 West Virginia GG, Western Connecticut 2-1 3 Bard NW 6 Binghamton MN, Binghamton 3-0 2 USMA HJ 7 Rochester MC, USMA 3-0 NOVICE SEMIS USMA KW Western Conn FT, USMA 2-1 Binghamton MN USMA HJ, Binghamton 2-1 NOVICE FINALS Jethro needs to give me the results. I will post them when I have them. Thanks to all! Tuna -- --------------------------- Alfred C. Snider, AKA Tuna Edwin W. Lawrence Professor of Forensics, University of Vermont 475 Main, UVM, Burlington, VT 05405 USA World Debate Institute; World Debate Organization 802-238-8345 mobile; 802-656-0097 office; 802-656-4275 fax http://alfred.snider.name website From dave Mon Jan 31 15:01:28 2005 From: dave (David Steinberg) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:01:28 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Funding cut for forensics program References: <200501300152.j0U1qPn00657@moc-ux0035.v3.gmti.gbahn.net> Message-ID: <000501c507d8$0bb419d0$9fe0ab81@com.nb> I too am saddened by the loss of a fine debate tradition. How some administrators evaluated the SUU program, a complete full service, open door program that overachieved and provided as much bang for the buck as any program I can think of is unfathomable! But unfortunately, debate/forensics programs getting cut is nothing new. What seems different to me is that the Trustees made the decision. Generally, the decision is made at a school/college level, or departmental level, even by student government. Usually, our budgets are below the Board level radar. I know that Terry knows how to defend his program, but when the call is made at that level, the challenge is different. Just another reminder that one of the most critical parts of our jobs is to develop an endowment! And be integrated into the campus community and beyond. And be visible. And provide service. And even if you do it all right, it still may not be enough. Here's a toast to Terry! And Gavin! And all those who have been a part of that fine program for (apparently) over 100 years! dave David L. Steinberg, Director of Debate University of Miami PO Box 248127 Coral Gables, FL 33124 Wolfson Building #3015 305-284-5553 (office) 305-284-5216 (fax) dave at miami.edu ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stacie Anthony" To: Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 8:52 PM Subject: [eDebate] Funding cut for forensics program > This story is being sent to you by Stacie Anthony > (sjanthony at interact.ccsd.net) on Saturday, January 29, 2005 at 20:52:24 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > http://www.thespectrum.com/news/stories/20050129/localnews/1931048.html > > Funding cut for forensics program > > The loss of the Southern Utah University Forensics Program--a sad day. > Stacie Stapley Anthony > > > Courtesy of thespectrum.com > > _______________________________________________ > eDebate mailing list > eDebate at ndtceda.com > To subscribe, UNSUBSCRIBE, and see the subscriber list, go here: > http://ndtceda.com/mailman/listinfo/edebate > From christopherburk Mon Jan 31 15:52:41 2005 From: christopherburk (Christopher Burk) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:52:41 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] Seeking Pam Bowman Message-ID: Hey Pam, please email me back. Thanks, Chris From dsodyssey63 Mon Jan 31 16:06:55 2005 From: dsodyssey63 (Derek Denman) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:06:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [eDebate] Concordia EF Message-ID: <20050131220655.85155.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com> Could one of you back channel me. I have a question. Thanks, Derek Denman UTD Debate __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com From geoffreygaren Mon Jan 31 16:15:14 2005 From: geoffreygaren (Geoffrey Garen) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:15:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [eDebate] Need a judge at NU? Message-ID: <20050131221514.60638.qmail@web51505.mail.yahoo.com> Ex-debater will work for money or b'dang b'dang. email geoffreygaren at yahoo.com with your terms. goof __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com From i_pastrana Mon Jan 31 16:36:28 2005 From: i_pastrana (Israel Pastrana) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:36:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [eDebate] Phi Rho Pi call outs! Message-ID: <20050131223628.9290.qmail@web40722.mail.yahoo.com> So I heard a sad rumor that it's possible policy might not make at this years Phi Rho Pizzle. That said I'll take a few moments and e-mail space to insult and or offend some folks in hopes that my carelessness will create some kind of response in the way of entries. KCKCCCKCCKCCCC - Look we promise not to run a spec in the last 20 seconds of our 1NC in the final round. And we'll also settle the eternal question of which is better, winning JV or getting your ass kicked in open. I've lost to Harvard, Dartmouth, Redlands, Whitman etc...who have you lost to Lawson? Austin Case - Maybe if you lose your break round at the NDT you can come back and be the first team ever to win back to back gold at community college nationals BCC - After 15 years of hearing the same argument i'd think Korcok would have cut something other than Ayn Rand. I'm probably wrong. Mitch - I'll run soc, you read all the soc bad cards you can for 9 minutes come on what could be more fun Jared Massey - They say no one has ever won gold twice. Including you. And I'll need some one to bring me my beers during the final round. Ken Dandy - I'm going for best community college debater ever so obviously you don't need to come. *Zoltan!!!!!! - We promise not to feed you a sheet of acid before day 2! The Petersons - I hear you all won gold a few years back. LACC - I noticed you all are signed up for most of the JV nationals tournaments. And yet you say you aren't going to this one. Not afraid are you? Dee - You know you want some, get Tsai to come out of retirement, what could be more fun? Andy - You couldn't get Korcok to vote for you when we said soc and you said free-markets. Tell me things have changed. Oskaloosa - I hear no one has ever repeated as the nicest people in debate award (Bell-S???) Maybe that says something about this activity. Odekirk - I hear you went to the NDT while at a community college. I guess I know who I have to beat. I know im missing a grip of people, but i really do think this is an important tournament. I hope everyone who can make it does. We talk a lot about diversity and making debate more accessible and no other group of colleges in the nation exemplifies this than community colleges. More so than any other I think this tournament is important because it rewards debaters who have to work twice as hard and overcome the lost years of experiance in order to be successful. We deal with the difficulties of being small schools, underfunded, with no experiance, and yet some how we manage to be successful personally and competitvely. Now if only the damn thing wasn't a week long. Parliguy p.s. you all aren't really going to let some kid named parliguy win this thing twice are you? --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20050131/b351d80e/attachment.htm From lsd041 Mon Jan 31 18:05:36 2005 From: lsd041 (Scott Deatherage) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:05:36 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] NORTHWESTERN TOURNEY INFO Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20050131175743.01cd5de8@lulu.it.northwestern.edu> Greetings, all. I will post a variety of useful information this week; I recommend that participants, particularly coaches, read my posts carefully so as to facilitate smooth functioning of the tournament. This one is about the Orrington: 1. If you have yet to send a rooming list to Bris Villanueva at the Orrington, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do so. Her e-mail is brisv at hotelorrington.com. This will help us make certain that everyone gets the room type they need. 2. Bris also needs to know roughly when you are arriving and if you would like to NOT authorize phones, movies, etc. Those things will be on unless you tell Bris or the desk otherwise. 2. Several schools have volunteered to move from the Orrington to the Best Western. I believe this may obviate the need to bump anyone involuntarily. They are in the process of making preliminary assignments now, and we should know soon where we stand. If you volunteered to move and we end up moving you, I will send details on Wednesday that include cancellation numbers for your Orrington reservations and confirmation numbers for your Best Western reservations. 4. If you volunteered to move and wish to do so regardless of our needs, let me know. A couple of people were principally attracted by getting double doubles, and it now occurs to me that you might want to go no matter. 5. I you made reservations at one of the other hotels on your own, would you let me know who you are and at what hotel you are staying? The Orrington is going to work out great. It's a fantastic new facility, and we'll have some debates there on all three days. But the Best Western will work as well. It's only a block away, and there will be debates there as well. Looking forward to your arrival. Best. SD Scott Deatherage Director of Debate Northwestern University Evanston, Illinois From jfoy Mon Jan 31 18:59:33 2005 From: jfoy (Foy, John A.) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:59:33 -0700 Subject: [eDebate] 4 rounds of northwestern judging for sale Message-ID: if you need it email me. john foy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20050131/8ed38b99/attachment.html From puppetrevolution Mon Jan 31 19:21:33 2005 From: puppetrevolution (Puppet Revolution) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:21:33 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] whats a puppet gotta do to get a speaker award Message-ID: <75ae22e050131172169398035@mail.gmail.com> ok so i read this post about the cornell results and i think that one Alfred "Tuna" Snider and one Jethro "jet man" Hayman run a puppet hating tournament. Sure they provide wonderful food, though not a bite to eat for the puppets, and they have great awards, but no puppet sized t shirts, a good schedule if your not a fucking puppet you know that any time in the weekend that is not speant debating we spend in the trunk of the car in a fucking tub...but anyway lets get to the point of this mail.... um hello why are there no speaker awards for a puppet i mean really who do you think got those speaker points it certainly wasnt "bard dc" it was me. No me. No speaker awards. So why cant i get a speaker award as well...But anyway i dont care about speaker awards now because aftter the puppet revolution wglftismo will allow us to reclaim the streets and make many worlds of freedom and spontanity and on that day you'll know that no crypto facist anti wglflbcbardtismo forces can do anything to stop me and my populistanti directly democratic revoliution of conundrums....take the streets...ward churchill is so joing the puppet revolution... i think i speak for puppets in debate every where when i say ya basta to your system of speaker awards and speaker points and two person teams.... Heathen Puppets on the Rise! From travisneal Mon Jan 31 19:56:11 2005 From: travisneal (travis neal) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:56:11 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] whats a puppet gotta do to get a speaker award In-Reply-To: <75ae22e050131172169398035@mail.gmail.com> References: <75ae22e050131172169398035@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <72451680-73F4-11D9-8A95-000A95B2F492@mac.com> I find it funny that this is one time when I can say and literally mean: Pull your head out of your ass. This is meant jokingly and in good humor....sort of. Travis Neal Cornell University On Jan 31, 2005, at 8:21 PM, Puppet Revolution wrote: > ok so i read this post about the cornell results and i think that one > Alfred "Tuna" Snider and one Jethro "jet man" Hayman run a puppet > hating tournament. Sure they provide wonderful food, though not a bite > to eat for the puppets, and they have great awards, but no puppet > sized t shirts, a good schedule if your not a fucking puppet you know > that any time in the weekend that is not speant debating we spend in > the trunk of the car in a fucking tub...but anyway lets get to the > point of this mail.... > > um hello why are there no speaker awards for a puppet i mean really > who do you think got those speaker points it certainly wasnt "bard dc" > it was me. No me. No speaker awards. So why cant i get a speaker award > as well...But anyway i dont care about speaker awards now because > aftter the puppet revolution wglftismo will allow us to reclaim the > streets and make many worlds of freedom and spontanity and on that day > you'll know that no crypto facist anti wglflbcbardtismo forces can do > anything to stop me and my populistanti directly democratic > revoliution of conundrums....take the streets...ward churchill is so > joing the puppet revolution... > i think i speak for puppets in debate every where when i say ya basta > to your system of speaker awards and speaker points and two person > teams.... > > Heathen > Puppets on the Rise! > > _______________________________________________ > eDebate mailing list > eDebate at ndtceda.com > To subscribe, UNSUBSCRIBE, and see the subscriber list, go here: > http://ndtceda.com/mailman/listinfo/edebate From matt_moore85 Mon Jan 31 20:30:25 2005 From: matt_moore85 (Matt Moore) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:30:25 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] Augustana Tournament Results Message-ID: Below is the link that will get you all of the results from the tournament along with pictures. Enjoy and thanks to everyone for coming out and making it a great weekend. Matt http://users.augustana.edu/spmoore/tournamentresults.html From berchnorto Mon Jan 31 20:58:36 2005 From: berchnorto (NEIL BERCH) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:58:36 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Opponents of the Week--Allison Pan and Rich Bazemore Message-ID: The WVU Debate Team wishes to recognize Allison Pan and Rich Bazemore of the United States Military Academy for extreme civility in competition this weekend. Our group at Cornell appreciated that, as well as Allison and Rich's willingness to engage offbeat arguments head-on. --Neil Berch West Virginia University -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I figure as long as they can talk halfway clearly they'll be one step ahead of you. : ) >KCKCCCKCCKCCCC - Look we promise not to run a spec in the last 20 seconds >of our 1NC in the final round. And we'll also settle the eternal question >of which is better, winning JV or getting your ass kicked in open. I've >lost to Harvard, Dartmouth, Redlands, Whitman etc...who have you lost to >Lawson? > Again, we'll be there. And we'll promise to try and make it harder for the judges this year--let's see in that Final Round against your other team what was it a 20 second decision and a 3-0 for KCKCC or did it take them 30 seconds? And you ask the wrong question. The real question is which is better, losing to any old open team or debating the D3 JV teams that we do week in and week out? Anyone can lose and blame it on "open" but could you beat the likes of OU's JV teams? UTSA's? UCO's? UMKC's? SMS's? WSU's? K-State's? Emporia's? UT's? Baylor's? I got 10 bucks and a pack of Lucky's that says no. See, all those teams are carrying Socialism answers too. The other questions is have you cut your wipeout answers? Would hate to see that deer in the headlights look again! >Austin Case - Maybe if you lose your break round at the NDT you can come >back and be the first team ever to win back to back gold at community >college nationals > I cant believe the audacity to call out Austin. His thumping of your school in PRP Finals and one of the quickest 3-0 decisions in PRP history was awe-inspiring. Don't worry though he's a nice guy--he might send you some how-to tapes if you ever get to go to a District tournament. >Jared Massey - They say no one has ever won gold twice. Including you. >And I'll need some one to bring me my beers during the final round. > Your inability to get history right is no surprise--you are a Socialist after all. Three facts to give you nightmares tonight: 1. Reagan was indeed responsible for communisms demise. 2. My beautiful daughters mother (who was reading over my shoulder when this post came up and laughed as much as I did) won PRP gold twice. Check the PRP page for results in 1999 and 2000. Jessica Rowe won it both years baby in Policy and almost in LD both years. 3. Your lack of acknowledgement may be enough to get me to have her do the Ev. hit against you all. If that happens Lawson will own you at PRP. >LACC - I noticed you all are signed up for most of the JV nationals >tournaments. And yet you say you aren't going to this one. Not afraid are >you? > Instead of calling them out why dont you all come to JV Nats at Johnson County? Or the Heart? Arent afraid we will find out your strategy and be ready for ya are you? Or are you just getting ready for some more Open beatings lol?? Come out come out wherever you are. We'd be glad to host you in Kansas. >I know im missing a grip of people, but i really do think this is an >important tournament. I hope everyone who can make it does. We talk a lot >about diversity and making debate more accessible and no other group of >colleges in the nation exemplifies this than community colleges. More so >than any other I think this tournament is important because it rewards >debaters who have to work twice as hard and overcome the lost years of >experiance in order to be successful. We deal with the difficulties of >being small schools, underfunded, with no experiance, and yet some how we >manage to be successful personally and competitvely. Now if only the damn >thing wasn't a week long. > The only thing you and I agree on--it's too damn long at a week but hey it is Philly after all. I'm sure we can find some things to do besides beating you all again, and again, and again. Tell ya what--win the Gold in Policy Team and sweep the Finals in Policy LD (or even have 3 of the final 4 like we did last year) then we will talk. >Parliguy >p.s. you all aren't really going to let some kid named parliguy win this >thing twice are you? NOPE! The Head Blue Devil has spoken! Chief Darren Elliott Director of Debate KCKCC > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' From bary.hausrath Mon Jan 31 22:40:09 2005 From: bary.hausrath (Hausrath, Bary) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 23:40:09 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] re: Churchill, FWD Message-ID: <87BE07599834FD41A58BDEE568E730DD01B5FA04@gemini.richmond.edu> http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/01/31/professor.resigns.ap/index.html Professor resigns after 9/11 essay prompts protests Ethnic studies chair will retain teaching position Monday, January 31, 2005 Posted: 9:55 PM EST (0255 GMT) DENVER, Colorado (AP) -- A University of Colorado professor who provoked a furor when he compared victims of the World Trade Center terrorist attacks to Nazis has resigned as a department chairman but will retain his teaching job, the university said. In an essay written after the September 11 attacks, Ward Churchill said the World Trade Center victims were "little Eichmanns," a reference to Adolf Eichmann, who organized Nazi plans to exterminate Europe's Jews. Churchill also spoke of the "gallant sacrifices" of the "combat teams" that struck America. The essay attracted little attention until Churchill was invited recently to speak at Hamilton College, about 40 miles east of Syracuse, New York. Hundreds of relatives of September 11 victims have protested the appearance. Hamilton College President Joan Hinde has said that "however repugnant one might find Mr. Churchill's remarks," the college was committed to his right of free speech and would not rescind its invitation. Administrators have moved Churchill's appearance to a building that can seat 2,000, instead of the originally planned 300. Churchill resigned as chairman of Colorado's Ethnic Studies Department, telling university officials in a letter that "the present political climate has rendered me a liability in terms of representing either my department, the college, or the university." University officials welcomed the move. "While Professor Churchill has the constitutional right to express his political views, his essay on 9/11 has outraged and appalled us and the general public," interim CU-Boulder Chancellor Phil DiStefano said. In an interview with Denver station KCNC-TV, Churchill said he is not an advocate of violence. "The overriding question that was being posed at the time was 'why did this happen, why did they hate us so much,' and my premise was when you do this to other people's families and children, that is going to be a natural response. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20050131/164d4515/attachment.htm