[eDebate] KCC on NPR

[Matt Cormack]

KCC has travelled out of state since atleast when I
debated in HS and I am pretty sure before that. 
Nebraska has the same rule that is easily avoided. 
The  "KCC Debate Club" (not the KCC Debate team)
probably travels and gets outside funding, meaning
they are essentially unregulated, I am sure joe can
answer this better than me.

matt

--- Paul Johnson <paulj567 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> my question is about missouri- isnt it that
> missourians cant travel out of state because the
> state
> wont sanction interstate competition?
> 
> -pj
> 
> --- Bob Jordan <bobjordan at debatecoach.info> wrote:
> 
> > I thought the story was very well done and it is
> > probably the best
> > explanation this old dog has heard for this type
> of
> > argumentation. There are
> > a couple of things I am unclear about a former
> > debater, Missouri resident,
> > and father of a current high school debate
> > participant.
> > 
> > I understand that your students come from a
> > disadvantaged area, but I am
> > curious how your program is disadvantaged. It
> sounds
> > like you travel far
> > more extensively than any program in Southwest
> > Missouri and you are playing
> > with the kids on the national circuit. You
> certainly
> > have a level of
> > privilege that we don't. The high school programs
> in
> > our area are huge, but
> > travel to tournaments in this area of the state
> > except for a few times per
> > year. You could travel to a tournament in Missouri
> > every single weekend and
> > debate in a time warp. No counterplans, no
> critical
> > argumentation, no
> > peformance, etc. It's not turn of the century, but
> > then again minorities and
> > women wouldn't have been able to participate at
> the
> > turn of the century.
> > 
> > Would you feel compelled to take the same
> > argumentative stance if you came
> > down to the Ozarks to debate?
> > 
> > Bob Jordan
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: edebate-admin at ndtceda.com
> > [mailto:edebate-admin at ndtceda.com] On Behalf
> > Of Joe Miller
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 9:33 AM
> > To: gordonm+ at pitt.edu
> > Cc: edebate at ndtceda.com; gordonm at pitt.edu
> > Subject: Re: [eDebate] KCC on NPR
> > 
> > I forwarded this e-mail to Sylvia. She worked very
> > hard on the story.
> > I'm sure she'll be thrilled bythe compliment.
> > 
> > Answers interspersed:
> > 
> > On 6/8/05, gordonm+ at pitt.edu <gordonm+ at pitt.edu>
> > wrote:
> > > Hi folks.
> > > 
> > > 23 minutes listening to this will be some of
> your
> > best-spent time of the
> > summer:
> > > 
> > >
> >
>
http://www.publicbroadcasting.net/kcur/news.newsmain?action=article&AR
> > > TICLE_ID=780072
> > > 
> > > This piece is reported superbly by NPR
> journalist
> > Sylvia Maria Gross - see
> > http://www.prx.org/user/sylviamariagross - it also
> > breaks new ground in the
> > ongoing conversation regarding the "Louisville
> > Project."
> > > 
> > > * It hints at Joe Miller's book in progress -
> Joe,
> > what can we expect?
> > 
> > It's narrative nonfiction. I followed the KCC
> squad
> > through the
> > 2002-2003 season, in which they battled
> > unsuccessfully with the Missouri
> > State High School Activities Association for
> > permission to compete at TOC
> > and then finished tenth at NFL nats. This main
> story
> > will digress into other
> > stories, such as the history of KC's nationally
> > significant deseg case
> > (college fans might like to know that it'll have
> > biographical set pieces
> > about Ede Warner, Daryl Burch, Bill Shanahan and
> > Rashad Evans). By book's
> > end, however, I become part of the story as an
> > assistant coach of the squad
> > (most of this will be handled in the epilogue). It
> > will be published in fall
> > '06 by Farrar, Straus & Giroux.
> > > 
> > > * It gives a teaser at the end regarding Kansas
> > City Central's choice to
> > forego the TOC and instead collaborate with MBA in
> a
> > public debate project -
> > what happened there?
> > > 
> > 
> > I now regret this decision. After a late-season
> > tournament in Chicago, we
> > agreed to pass on applying for an at-large invite
> to
> > TOC. We were frustrated
> > by the Chicago tournament -- not because we didn't
> > break, but because we
> > were facing the same arguments over and over again
> > and they were being
> > delivered quite pissily. This was something we
> only
> > experienced at Chicago
> > tournaments and at U of Kentucky's tournament in
> > December -- in Iowa,
> > Nebraska and Tennessee we faced interesting and
> > thoughtful counter-arguments
> > and, win or lose, we felt like we were learning
> and
> > growing. So we decided
> > to not spend time and money on something that we
> > worried would be of dubious
> > value (Plus one high school coach told us the TOC
> is
> > totally uptight and not
> > a lot of fun).
> > 
> > Later, a number of friends we've made along the
> way
> > argued convincingly that
> > we should reconsider. But by then it was too late.
> > Next year perhaps.
> > 
> > > * It provides a forum for the argument that
> > Louisville-type arguments are
> > "closer to the original intent of the activity."
> > This is a new twist I
> > haven't heard much in college - can we get some
> > elaboration?
> > > 
> > I'm probably going to get in trouble trying to
> > answer this in such a short
> > space. Geoffery's argument relates to the metaphor
> > KCC was offering this
> > year -- that the UN is debate. Both are places
> where
> > a diverse group of
> > people can come together to talk about how to make
> > the world a better place.
> > The choice of words "original intent" might be a
> bit
> > dicy -- the UN's
> > orignal intent is very clearly stated in its
> > charter, while debate's is less
> > certain. Perhaps a better way to say it would be
> > "potential ideal."
> > Regardless, we argued that both the UN and debate
> > have drifted from their
> > original intent by way of exclusionary norms --
> the
> > highly specialized and
> > peculiar style of national-circuit debate and the
> > veto/permanent-member
> > structure of the UN Security Council, the only
> body
> > authorized to decide on
> > binding policy.
> > 
> > In more esoteric terms, we're really into the idea
> > of debate being more like
> > it used to be -- an integral part of a free
> society,
> > as opposed to a
> > shrinking subculture. By season's end we were
> > realizing that the mission
> > wasn't so much about providing opportunities for
> the
> > underprivileged as it
> > was about saving the privileged from their own
> > self-destruction. Setting
> 
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