[eDebate] CEDA Nats--The good, the bad, and the ugly

J T jtedebate
Sat Apr 8 11:00:37 CDT 2006

I'll second this....But it is a mistake to point out behavior of debaters alone.  Some directors need to keep their assistants/staff members under control!  Much of the damage was done by a member of a coaching staff. Debaters did their fair share to be sure, but the major damage and disruption was not at the hands of debaters (or was done in conjunction with debaters and a coach).

Perhaps directors need to "drop the hammer" on the entirety of their squads.

Ken DeLaughder <kenedebate at hotmail.com> wrote: RIGHT ON... I thank Neil for posting this, I got caught up in the NDT rule 
discussion, and I hope this important point does not get lost.

Some of the behavior I saw at CEDA was ... well... ugly.  I think as 
Directors we need to take some time to talk to our debaters about the 
importance of not being assholes and destroying the hotel.  If you want to 
trash your room, they'll charge you, but if you start destroying the 
hotel... yeah.

If we claim to talk about the disadvantaged, its been said before, but talk 
to the hotel workers.  I did, they were really angry about all the policing 
of beer bottles they had to do, all of the broken glass, all of the pictures 
ripped down in the elevators.  COME ON folks.. ripping down pictures in the 
elevators?   I saw people throw bottles in the parking lot and take off... 
what the hell?

My team was discussing how if they weren't with the tournament, they'dve 
gottan a free room with all the BS that was destroyed.

Some comparisons... UTD held their portion of the swing at that hotel.. SAME 
FACILITY... and there wasn't that problem.   This was just stupid.  I like 
staying at Westins... I like the facility... but a few people who are being 
obviously destructive keep us from using facilities.

I know people have fun... have it... but don't destroy stuff.  If you wanna 
run your cap K.. stay on the sidewalk near Jack in THe Box, the rest of us 
like the nice hotel.  I bet you do too.

I hope it doesnt impact the NDT!

Ken D.

>From: "NEIL BERCH" 
>To: edebate at ndtceda.com
>Subject: [eDebate] CEDA Nats--The good, the bad, and the ugly
>Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 13:04:05 -0400
>The ugly:
>None of the above will matter if we can't find places to host tournaments.
>The people who continue to vandalize tournament hotels are endangering the
>ability to find hosts.  Before anyone argues that it was just property
>damage and runs their capitalism K against this, let me say that most of
>what I learned about this came from the people who WORK at the Westin and
>had to clean up after you.  While you were "solving" for capitalism in
>rounds, they were telling me on Tuesday morning that this was the
>worst-behaved group they'd seen in months (and they rightfully resented the
>extra work they had to do because of it).  Nobody is saying not to have 
>but showing just a small modicum of responsibility is not too much to ask.
>--Neil Berch
>West Virginia University
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