[eDebate] Worker Rule
Thu Apr 20 13:23:52 CDT 2006
Mancuso is right on when he says that imperfections should not kill a
good idea. My interpretation of this rule would not effect that many
programs--maybe just 2 or 3 a year--but it's still a positive step. I
have seen a few big schools each year hold people out of the judge pool
so that they can do more research. Those people should be judging and
there should be a limit on how many you bring. That's the main point
The third team issue should be separate, but it is related. The
advantage of 3 teams, in my opinion, is the higher chance of getting A
BYE IN AN OUT-ROUND. Eber's link turn does not assume that the overall
entourage is (usually) bigger with three teams and that the out-round
competition is usually less difficult for schools with multiple teams
Like Miami of Ohio, we struggle to fill our JUDGE slots at the NDT, let
alone hiring "worker people" for a week. That said, I do not think the
judges should be restricted in what coaching and research they can do.
Some of our judges might not want to come to the tournament if they
cannot help out with some research. I do not recall a time at the
meeting where the worker rule was specifically extended to include
judges. If Joel is right, that's fine--it's still better than the
status quo. Or, if Joel is wrong and he wants to write a rule that says
"only two people other than the dbaters themselves asociated with a
squad can do any research for the team," my guess is that D7 would vote
for it. I do not think that is what we voted for at Northwestern,
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Subject: [eDebate] Worker Rule
The intention of the rule - which I thought had been clear - was to
limit every school who attends the NDT to 2 (two) non-undergraduate
workers. These two people are the only non-undergraduates from that
school who can write or research arguments during the tournament.
I believe that it is an important step in the right direction for the
tournament, even if it is not somehow perfect. The vast majority of
the rules that we have could be re-interpreted and nit-picked to death
- or at least into ambiguous limbo. I don't think we should allow the
perfect to become the enemy of the good.
Repealing the new rule returns us to the rule: "The number of workers
for a school will be determined by their ability to pay." Hmm.
The new worker rule benefits well over 80% of the schools who attend
My rough estimate is that the rule, based on the 2006 NDT would have
benefitted: Baylor, Binghamton, Boston College, Case Western, Catholic,
Central Oklahoma, Concordia, Cal State Fullerton, Denver, Georgia
State, Gonzaga, Idaho State, James Madison, Kentucky, Liberty,
Macalaster, Mary Washington, Miami, Michigan, Missouri Kansas City,
North Texas, Oklahoma, Pittsburgh, Redlands, Richmond, Rochester,
Samford, Southern California, Texas-Dallas, Trinity, Vermont, West
Georgia, Wichita State and Wyoming. There may be others that should
be on this list.
I'm not saying that every person from every school on this list
supports the rule. Clearly some don't. Just as there are people, like
Joel Rollins, Dave Arnette and Scott Deatherage (more on him later) who
have supported the rule even though it presumably runs against the
self-interest of their programs.
I'll admit that I'm in part motivated by the self-interest of my
program - just as the primary opponents of it are trying to hold on to
their currently granted privilege and advantage. I do think the
"fairness" issue is clearly on our side.
As a director of a program that has difficulties even finding one
assistant coach and one additional steady hired judge throughout the
year, to hear some complain about how unfair it is that their FIFTH
coach can't cut updates at the NDT, I'll admit, discourages me.
Maybe we should just give in and say that the rules of the NDT should
be whatever works best for MSU, Emory, Harvard, Wake Forest, Kansas,
and a few others, since (wink, wink) it's really a tournament just
about them anyhow.
A last point, while I'm in the process of singling out many of my best
Early on in this debate - back in November - the accusation was made
that this proposal targeted Northwestern. [Clearly the recent debate
proves that this proposal cuts against more than one school.] Many of
you know that Scott Deatherage strongly opposed the original rule but
supported the current version, the one we passed. Some believe there
was a compromise between myself and him on this. I don't really view
it that way. I genuinely became convinced by the force of his
arguments that we shouldn't place much limit on undergraduates, for
pedagogical reasons. I also think Scott became convinced that
restrictions on non-undergraduates were for the overall good of the
NDT, even at the risk of slightly hurting his own chances of winning.
So perhaps the debate over this issue has, after all, had the real
effect of singling him out, for the better, in my opinion.
P.S. Don't forget to cast your ballot for the topic area by May 8.
P.P.S. Let me know if you want to help with the 06-07 or 07-08 topics.
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