[eDebate] ...or not salvation
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Mon Dec 4 11:28:15 CST 2006
I will go on record saying that Florida will get smoked.
I will go on record that Michigan already lost to Ohio State.
I will go on record that Michigan was completely outplayed by Ohio State and
would probably lose again.
Let's look at some
of Florida's wins--and I use that term loosely--they barely beat South
Carolina by a point (17-16), they beat Vandy by 6 points, (who Michigan beat
by 20) and they escaped with a win against a powerful 6-6 Florida State
team. This team is in way over their heads which Urban Meyer knows.
But the bottom line is they won their games. Florida played the
statistically toughest schedule in the country in the toughest conference in the
country. They beat more bowl eligible teams than Michigan and more top-25 teams
than Michigan. Florida State would beat Notre Dame, Michigan's toughest non
conference opponent because Notre Dame is one of the two most overrated teams in
college football (the other being Wisconsin). Also, Florida State was 6-6
but don't tell me a win over FSU is easy because teams play REAL tough in big
rivalry games. Just ask USC about UCLA. Additionally, no one plays as many
big rivalry games as Florida. Having to get up to play Tennessee, Georgia
and Florida State every year is freaking tough. Michigan gets OSU and an
overrated Notre Dame team every year. Florida always has tough SEC West teams
like Auburn and LSU to play and when all is said and done, the SEC has a
Conference Championship game that teams have to get primed for (no easy task...just
ask Oklahoma from a few years back). Big Ten has no Conference Championship
game. Don't denigrate Florida or their schedule. You just sound silly.
true that Florida won a mediocre SEC this year. Auburn,Tennessee, Georgia,
and LSU were not nearly as good as they have been in the past. But
pollsters have fooled themselves into believing that the SEC is the best
conference in college football regardless of how good the teams actually
are. This year conference play was a joke, all across the nation, the two
best teams are clearly OSU and Michigan and they should be playing each
The SEC is the toughest conference in football every year. Hands down. You
are naive or just a hater to think otherwise. First off, we can just write
off the Big East, ACC and Pac-10 for being far inferior this year and every
year to the SEC. The Big 12 is a bit down this year (the Big 12 North might
be one of the worst Divisions in Football) so lets compare the SEC and Big 10
top to bottom. The Big 10 has three teams in the BCS Top 25. Wisconsin is
the most overrated team around. Out of conference games against Bowling
Green, Western Illinois, San Diego State and Buffalo is pathetic, plus they
avoided playing Ohio State and got to feast on the chum of the Big 10 (Indiana,
Northwestern, Illinois, Purdue, Minnesota plus a down Iowa team and a down Penn
State). Notre Dame (not in the Big Ten but touted as a "real" win by
Michigan fans) is the second most overrated team around (one win against a top 25
team in the Weiss era and a strength of schedule in the 50's). This is who
Michigan got to feast on. Sure they played well against Ohio State but when
that is your one tough game you can prepare well for it. Heck, Illinois only
lost by 7 to Ohio State and there defense played better than Michigan's defense
(17 points compared to 42 points). Let's give the Fighting Zooks another
shot! (This also shows how ridiculous it is to define a season by losses
rather than wins) It's not like it is at Florida where navigating the SEC is like
navigating a minefield. I really doubt Michigan could go undefeated in the
SEC because it is an absolute grind. Whereas the Big Ten has three teams in
the Top 25, the SEC has five in the top 25 including four in the top 12 of the
BCS. Tennessee is ranked 17. Florida played them all. They best Georgia,
LSU, Arkansas, Tennessee and they beat decent teams South Carolina, Georgia,
Florida State. All I'm saying is that in a season like that, the likelihood
of running the table is super tough. Auburn did it and it was a rarity. I
don't know how you can say the SEC is overrated. Lets match up the top 11 in
the SEC and the entire Big Ten. I'll use the Fox Sports Top 119 which rates
all Division 1-A teams. My apologies to Jason Russell who thinks the Fox
poll is biased because of some Rupert Murdoch/Fox News/Bill O'reilly/Southern
conservative thing. I'm using it because the AP, Coaches and Harris polls
don't rank teams 1-119. If you don't like this poll, find another that ranks
all 119 teams and I'll bet you a dinner that the SEC has a higher aggregate
ranking than the Big 10 on a team by team basis:
1 Florida (2) Ohio State (1)
2 Arkansas (5) Michigan (3)
3 Auburn (6) Wisconsin (11)
4 Tennessee (9) Iowa (35)
5 LSU (10) Penn State (36)
6 Alabama (33) Purdue (46)
7 Georgia (39) Indiana (59)
8 South Carolina (40) Michigan State (66)
9 Vanderbilt (49) Minnesota (70)
10 Kentucky (56) Illinois (78)
11 Ole Miss (68) Northwestern (87)
I don't think ANY of the Big Ten teams in matchups 4-11 have a sniff of a
chance against the SEC team. That is why the SEC is such a tough conference.
Michigan had one decent and two overrated opponents to prepare for. To win
in the SEC Even our 8th best team is as good or better than the Big Ten #5.
Give the SEC its due.
Florida lost to Auburn which is a deeply flawed team. Aurburn got
beat like dogs by a very average Georgia team.
Auburn isn't very good? Are you serious? They are a top-10 team in the AP,
Harris and Coaches poll, #9 BCS, #6 Fox Rankings. There only losses were to
a hot Arkansas team and a Georgia team that finished strong and had wins
against the ACC Runner up in Georgia Tech and Colorado (a marginal team but
better than playing a 1-AA cream puff). They beat Florida, LSU, Georgia, 'Bama
and South Carolina. Give them some credit. They didn't play the cake
schedule Wisconsin had who didn't even have to play OSU this year (see above on
Wisonsin's JOKE schedule. War Eagle!
However, Michigan only lost
to OSU on the road by 3 points. Michigan's quality of loss far exceeds any
other teams in the country. In the end that should be the deciding factor,
but it wasn't television ratings were.
First of all, quality wins should matter more than quality losses (see
Illinois argument above) and Florida had more quality wins, played more bowl
eligible teams, more top 25 teams, played in a tougher conference. You can say
quality of loss is more important than quality of win and that is your right.
Lets just say most fans, coaches, and sportswriters are more likely to rank
you based on wins than losses. If losses mattered more than wins than USC
should never have been in contention because a loss to a 6-4 Oregon State team
is worse than a loss to OSU or Auburn. The rest of the world (outside of
Michigan fans, you and Jason Russell) rank wins higher than losses. That's why
Florida got in. They played the statistically tougher schedule than Michigan,
they played in a better conference than the Big Ten, they beat more bowl
eligible teams than Michigan and there strongest argument is stronger than the
Wolverine mantra of "At least we lost close!"
The brain trust that does the polls
did some polling of their own and found that people wanted to watch someone
OTHER than Michigan play and that is what we got.
Do you have proof of this? The ESPN Sportsnation poll indicated 51% wanted
an Ohio State-Michigan rematch. Wouldn't this be "evidence" to the powers
that be that TV ratings would be high for a rematch of one of the most watched
college football games ever? Please keep your conspiracy theories to the
world of politics. I don't see it here. Also, these "powers that be"...are you
referring to the coaches, to the AP, to the other polls which ALL have
Florida rated higher? Are they all a part of the conspiracy to keep Michigan down?
Even though it is going
to be blowout it won't matter cause people will watch until halftime. And
to top it off they place Michigan in the Rose Bowl against USC, functionally
making Michigan play USC at home.
Just in case you didn't know this, the Big 10 played the Pac 10 at the Rose
Bowl for many years before the BCS came along. Non unique. Michigan and USC
have met in the Rose Bowl in 1948, 1970, 1977, 1979, 1989, 1990 and 2004,
but I'm sure it's always been part of the grand conspiracy
Priceless! Do not email about the
logistics of the Bowl system I understand them but it reminds me of the days
when Big 8 teams had to go to Orange Bowl and play Miami for the national
championship know how many of those games Miami lost? Zero.
How about you know what you're talking about before you write. 1995 Orange
Bowl, last time Miami played a Big8/12 team
Nebraska 24 - Miami 17 - Osborne wins National Championship and Tommie
Frasier wins Orange Bowl MVP. get your facts straight.
Ok I have
homework but I will say I have never been a proponent of a playoff but after
this jobbing I am leaning heavily in that direction. Phil
First thing you've said that made sense. A playoff system would be best but
in the status quo, you play the hand you are dealt and the BCS got it as
right as it could this year. GO GATORS!
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