[eDebate] ...or not salvation
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Mon Dec 4 12:53:43 CST 2006
In a message dated 12/4/2006 1:07:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
jbhdb8 at gmail.com writes:
I realy dont think Michigan got "jobbed" because Florida is an inferior
number two. The reason Michigan got "jobbed" is because after Florida finished
that schedule you love so much Michigan was rated higher than them....then
Florida barely beat a terrible FSU team.....and Michigan was still rated higher
than them....then Florida beat a now 3 loss Arkansas team...and somehow they
jumped above Michigan. As Lloyd put it "I don't think they would have moved
ahead of us if USC had won their game," Carr said of the Gators. "I don't
know what the voters were thinking ? you'd have to ask them ? but I don't think
there's any question that if USC wins, we remain No. 3." This point was
proven last week when - Michigan stayed ahead of Florida.
I agree Josh that the system is flawed. I also agree that there aren't
enough matchups between the "power" teams from each conference to determine which
conference is best/tougher. I can say that the SEC is 10-6 over the past
three seasons which is a solid win % relative to other conferences. Ultimately
you are right that the system is too subjective.
In other words, the problem isnt Florida or Florida's schedule or if Florida
is deserving...The problem is with a system that became a popularity contest.
Another problem was with an opposing coach (Meyer) not just pumping his own
teams credentials but also denigrating the other team in the press.
Disagree. This is America, the land of politicing. What is Meyer supposed
to do? His team was rated behind Michigan so he had to address Michigan
specifically. I think the Michigan fans that are getting all riled up by Mitch
Albom and others need to chill out.
Another problem was with the sweater vest abstaining (after already being
caught letting his Assistant AD do the voting earlier in the year) seemingly
because as a Big Ten coach he couldnt rank Florida and he didnt want to play
I don't have a position on this. I can see it both ways for Tressel. He
really was in a no win situation.
Finally, the coaches poll became a north/south divide for the most part
(with Big Ten votes hurting Michigan because Zook voted for Florida - shocker -
and Tressell abstained while all the SEC voters voted Florida 2).
Coaches poll is illegit. I've always thought that. Grad Assistants filling
out polls at the 11th hour every week is specious at best.
Now all that said:
Florida is a deserving team. They have had a great year.
Your arguments about schedule are inherently circular - basically your
argument is "everybody knows the SEC is the toughest conference" and then quoting
back SEC wins and saying that means excellence. Truth is this is all
subjective....I am not sure by how you are making your arguments that you have seen
many Michigan games this year. I have seen a ton of Florida games and do
think they are a very talented squad especially on defense.
I think the fact that 3 of the top 12 teams according to the BCS rankings
shows that there is a lot of support for the SEC being a strong conference.
The Big 10 should really be the Big 2 because Wisconsin is suspect (Out of
conference games against Bowling Green, Western Illinois, San Diego State and
Buffalo is pathetic, plus they avoided playing Ohio State and got to feast on
the chum of the Big 10 (Indiana, Northwestern, Illinois, Purdue, Minnesota plus
a down Iowa team and a down Penn State).
Wouldnt it just be better to let us settle it on the field? Thats the one
thing Lloyd and Meyer have pushed in concert.
100% agree. Unfortunately that won't happen in the near future so until the
system changes, you need to make due with what you have and I think the BCS
got it as *right* as it could this year.
Frank P. Irizarry
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