[eDebate] Which topic?

cleary at ou.edu cleary
Sat Jul 1 13:51:07 CDT 2006


I'll agree to like you brett if you start spelling my name right

----- Original Message -----
From: Brett Wallace <bretagus at yahoo.com>
Date: Saturday, July 1, 2006 1:23 pm
Subject: Re: [eDebate] Which topic?

> yea, conner/gabe, clearly i still love you guys, just
> wasnt as sure if you'd agree with  my assessment or
> not which is why i didnt include you. 
> As i predicted, conner disagreed
> 
> Glad you agree though gabe, and to apologize for not
> including you ill just say - i love you worst
> 
> and jennings may be a junior but anybody who utilized
> a mr coffee in such a genious manor deserves to be
> bumped up to senior status. 
> 
> one more think about people who think that hamad
> invalidates quirin advantages....there is this thing
> that hopefully most people know about, its called the
> uniquness counterplan.
> it allows the neg to get rid of any aff's advantages
> based off minor changes to hamad by overturning quirin
> and ensure that affs have to be ready for the entirity
> of the detention/geneva debate that the framers
> originally intended. 
> 
> Once again ill say, PLEASE VOTE FOR THE
> quirin/morrison/casey/millikin rez. and SPEAK out in
> favor of it.
> 
> -b
> 
> 
> --- gabe murillo <gabejmurillo at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> > I largely agree with Brett, 
> > 
> > the concern about the ability of
> > "overrule...decision"
> > to limit the topic makes the smaller lists a no risk
> > option. if people are correct that judges will not
> > naturally limit the topic, then we need a small base
> > of cases to begin with. If others are correct and
> > this
> > topic will not get out of control, 4 cases still
> > provides ample room for aff creativity, especially
> > given the nature of the four cases on the second
> > list
> > of 4 cases (ex parte quirin casey milikin and
> > morrison). I disagree that gratz and milikin provide
> > the same educational benefit (these aff's are more
> > complicated then just "racism bad"), but I think
> > brett's conclusion is correct. let "policy teams"
> > have
> > quirin (I don't think any K teams would complain
> > about
> > debate against this aff), but make sure to protect
> > against too large of a topic. 
> > 
> > I think conor's fear that ex parte quirin casey
> > milikin and morrison do not provide a diverse amount
> > of legal issues to debate is a little exaggerated,
> > morrison is about more then just VAWA, milikin
> > accesses a lot of interesting legal issues, and
> > casey
> > provides a wealth of diverse legal issues to debate.
> > i
> > don't think that this concern is a reason to risk a
> > larger topic. 
> > 
> > I do think it is sad that there isn't a smaller
> > topic
> > with the death penalty aff. I think this is an
> > incredably important issue. but I don't think it
> > justifies a) excluding quirin or b) a list with 8
> > cases.  
> > 
> > and as far as education goes, I stick with my claim
> > from my previous post that the most educational
> > thing
> > to do is to allow aff diversity to stem from aff
> > advantage creativity. especially given the
> > complexity
> > of the cases, and the general lack of knowledge
> > about
> > how the supreme court works. give people 4 cases and
> > let them figure out how to produce an affirmative
> > they
> > can latch on to. ex parte quirin casey milikin and
> > morrison provide plenty of room for teams to be
> > creative. and the research skills and critical
> > thinking that is necessary for this creatitivity is
> > one of the greatest avenues for education. 
> > 
> > I think its important to include quirin. after years
> > of talking about exclusion I think it would be short
> > sighted for people to try to exclude traditional
> > impact teams from having access to an aff they
> > enjoy.
> > weighing that concern against concerns about the
> > size
> > of the topic makes ex parte quirin casey milikin and
> > morrison the best list of cases. 
> >  
> > another excluded senior :) getting his "voice out"
> > 
> > gabe murillo
> > wayne state  
> > 
> > 
> > 
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