[eDebate] Which topic?

Brett Wallace bretagus
Sat Jul 1 20:18:23 CDT 2006


stop being such a conformist
spelling things right is the herd mentality based on
traditional germanic language derived from judeo
christian morality that prevents us from releasing the
will to power. 

but fine i will, because I coner rule

--- cleary at ou.edu wrote:

> I'll agree to like you brett if you start spelling
> my name right
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Brett Wallace <bretagus at yahoo.com>
> Date: Saturday, July 1, 2006 1:23 pm
> Subject: Re: [eDebate] Which topic?
> 
> > yea, conner/gabe, clearly i still love you guys,
> just
> > wasnt as sure if you'd agree with  my assessment
> or
> > not which is why i didnt include you. 
> > As i predicted, conner disagreed
> > 
> > Glad you agree though gabe, and to apologize for
> not
> > including you ill just say - i love you worst
> > 
> > and jennings may be a junior but anybody who
> utilized
> > a mr coffee in such a genious manor deserves to be
> > bumped up to senior status. 
> > 
> > one more think about people who think that hamad
> > invalidates quirin advantages....there is this
> thing
> > that hopefully most people know about, its called
> the
> > uniquness counterplan.
> > it allows the neg to get rid of any aff's
> advantages
> > based off minor changes to hamad by overturning
> quirin
> > and ensure that affs have to be ready for the
> entirity
> > of the detention/geneva debate that the framers
> > originally intended. 
> > 
> > Once again ill say, PLEASE VOTE FOR THE
> > quirin/morrison/casey/millikin rez. and SPEAK out
> in
> > favor of it.
> > 
> > -b
> > 
> > 
> > --- gabe murillo <gabejmurillo at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > I largely agree with Brett, 
> > > 
> > > the concern about the ability of
> > > "overrule...decision"
> > > to limit the topic makes the smaller lists a no
> risk
> > > option. if people are correct that judges will
> not
> > > naturally limit the topic, then we need a small
> base
> > > of cases to begin with. If others are correct
> and
> > > this
> > > topic will not get out of control, 4 cases still
> > > provides ample room for aff creativity,
> especially
> > > given the nature of the four cases on the second
> > > list
> > > of 4 cases (ex parte quirin casey milikin and
> > > morrison). I disagree that gratz and milikin
> provide
> > > the same educational benefit (these aff's are
> more
> > > complicated then just "racism bad"), but I think
> > > brett's conclusion is correct. let "policy
> teams"
> > > have
> > > quirin (I don't think any K teams would complain
> > > about
> > > debate against this aff), but make sure to
> protect
> > > against too large of a topic. 
> > > 
> > > I think conor's fear that ex parte quirin casey
> > > milikin and morrison do not provide a diverse
> amount
> > > of legal issues to debate is a little
> exaggerated,
> > > morrison is about more then just VAWA, milikin
> > > accesses a lot of interesting legal issues, and
> > > casey
> > > provides a wealth of diverse legal issues to
> debate.
> > > i
> > > don't think that this concern is a reason to
> risk a
> > > larger topic. 
> > > 
> > > I do think it is sad that there isn't a smaller
> > > topic
> > > with the death penalty aff. I think this is an
> > > incredably important issue. but I don't think it
> > > justifies a) excluding quirin or b) a list with
> 8
> > > cases.  
> > > 
> > > and as far as education goes, I stick with my
> claim
> > > from my previous post that the most educational
> > > thing
> > > to do is to allow aff diversity to stem from aff
> > > advantage creativity. especially given the
> > > complexity
> > > of the cases, and the general lack of knowledge
> > > about
> > > how the supreme court works. give people 4 cases
> and
> > > let them figure out how to produce an
> affirmative
> > > they
> > > can latch on to. ex parte quirin casey milikin
> and
> > > morrison provide plenty of room for teams to be
> > > creative. and the research skills and critical
> > > thinking that is necessary for this creatitivity
> is
> > > one of the greatest avenues for education. 
> > > 
> > > I think its important to include quirin. after
> years
> > > of talking about exclusion I think it would be
> short
> > > sighted for people to try to exclude traditional
> > > impact teams from having access to an aff they
> > > enjoy.
> > > weighing that concern against concerns about the
> > > size
> > > of the topic makes ex parte quirin casey milikin
> and
> > > morrison the best list of cases. 
> > >  
> > > another excluded senior :) getting his "voice
> out"
> > > 
> > > gabe murillo
> > > wayne state  
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >
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