[eDebate] rove matter explodes or dies tomorrow

Jake Stromboli infracaninophile
Sun Jun 18 20:02:01 CDT 2006

as you know truthout.org "standed down" on the rove matter friday w promise 
of a comprehensive reply tomorrow:


"Expect a more comprehensive accounting of this matter on Monday, June 19."

adding fuel to the fire, the rove team fired accusations in the washington 
post today that leopold is a cocaine addict and the entire story was 


was leopold set up by the rove team so that goebbels could announce that the 
conservatives are winning the internet war stressing unity over liberal 

i tend to doubt it.   the theory requires you to believe that rove sought 
out five grand jury testimonies and a last minute clearance so he could burn 
progressive journalism.

i think the internet ploy is another go at overhyping his exoneration and a 
feeble attempt to undue further damage to his reputation done on the 

the main theories going around about what happened with the indictment.

1) fitzgerald decided he couldn't make charges stick and let him off to 
focus on libby and may have got rove to turn state's evidence to make the 
libby case a slam dunk.

2) fitzgerald knew he could make charges stick and presented rove with a 
sealed indictment and an offer to drop the indictment if he turns state's 
evidence against cheney or someoneelse higher up the chain.

3) rove didn't do anything wrong and it took fitzgerald five runs in front 
of the grand jury to figure that out and a man with an impeccable reputation 
was unnecessarily dragged through the mud.

3 is out but it's cute.

1 is unlikely given news today about the libby pardon prospect:


if you don't think fitzgerald knew this was coming, then you are out to 
lunch.  i think the obviousness of a libby pardon sans other indictments 
points to the likelihood of theory 2.  also, the idea that the investigation 
is ongoing.  if fitzgerald were only indicting libby who has already been 
indicted, the investigation would most likely be over now.   fitzgerald has 
already revealed a revenge motive against the wilsons by cheney and i don't 
think he's going to let it slide and disappear through an obvious pardon 
from the president.   all of his time and investigation would be for naught 
on an underling who was not the originator of the plot.

the luskin letter still remains unpublished and fitzgerald has yet to 
confirm the statements of rove's lawyer.  all of this is discernible from 
the blogs.

rove's fate still hinges on the upcoming elections given the waxman motion 
for congressional investigation into his conduct but still he could go down 
in a criminal suit brought by the wilsons.   cooper has admitted in his own 
article that he found out about plame's CIA status from rove and novak found 
out the same.

anyway, you look at it tomorrow's statements from truthout.org loom large.   
leopold has now been accused of drug problems in the national media 
alongside the idea that he fabricated the whole story to get attention 
despite ruining his career.   the truthout subscribers are up in arms and 
want leopold to reveal his sources as he promised on the radio if he was 
deceived.   other websites are calling for the termination of truthout.  
speculation is rampant.  ash has every possible means to axe leopold and 
move on but apparently he believes the story and the idea of cooperation 
turning state's evidence against cheney and i bet you he has been digging to 
get the next lead on that angle and tomorrow is going to be the biggest 
explosion yet given shenanigans of the right wing in the washington post 
taking this story to a whole other level...you can count on it that i will 
have it up on this list as soon as it is posted on truthout.

one last thing that you have to take account about this administration is 
that they have poor quick fix strategies for halting slides in approval 
ratings.   the fact is that the numbers keep sliding down to an 
uncomfortable point especially the iraq war polls.   you know that the 
administration would have rather hoped the approval ratings went up after 
the beginning of the iraq war and that it would have been a successful 
policy that brought democracy.   instead you see them trying to fabricate 
rebound situations of optimism with an al-zarqawi kill, rove exoneration and 
bagdhad trip all choreographed together as the koehner house talking points 
reveal.   they try this sugar coat candyland strategy all of the time and it 
doesn't work.  cheney on national tv on a sunday telling the american people 
that he thinks "the iraqi people will welcome their liberators".   little 
symbolic moral victories here and there but no proof or even sound 
conception that modern imperial armies have figured out how to beat guerilla 
warfare tactics by resident populations.   america lost vietnam.   soviets 
lost afghanistan.   the neocons were supposed to usher in a new era of 
warfare with fancy electromagnetic weapons and increased mobility but it's 
still the same unwinnable guerilla war.    the republicans are so focused on 
popular opinion at particular points in time that they are unable to 
reconsider long term policy as a real strategy.   they need the nation to 
look divided 50-50 so they can do the dirty work in florida, ohio or 
whatever swing state will be key this year.   they know that it is almost 
impossible to prove fraud on the spot like nixon knew in 1960 and the public 
will defer to whatever result they achieve.

the problem is that iraq is going so bad that eventually in 2 years or 4 
years an overwhelming majority of people will be against the war and 
election tampering will be less viable as the cornerstore of a rove victory. 
   these periodic quick fix sugarcoats are going to become more and more 
obvious for what they are and everyone will know without a doubt in their 
mind that there is no foreseeable end to this conflict and that it is a 
veritable quagmire.   please don't wait 2 or 4 years and takeover your 
college campus soon, in the fall, so that we can accelerate the process 
through power tactics.   too many people are dying b.c you and i are not 
very creative in our resistance and we don't seek methods of confrontation 
that challenge us to be somebody we do not know.

another key problem for the neocons not exploited by the democrats or any 
other opposition to asufficient enough degree is the idea presented during 
vietnam that americans are not colonists anymore.   the israeli model for 
the middle east does not work for americans b/c no significant segment of 
our population intends to live there.   we had the same problem in vietnam.  
  the israelis are fighting for "their land".   they can mobilize a military 
society for that purpose.  americans are fighting for dick cheney's oil.   
it ain't gonna last.   the ideas of "democracy" and "freedom" will easily go 
down the drain b/c iraq is other people's land and all of those storm 
troopers can't wait to get back to hamburgers and movies and highway 
checkpoints.   the french had a vested stake in vietnam b/c they lived 
there, old school colonial style.   americans do not have a need for living 
elsewhere.  instead a certain backward part of the population has need of 
periodic fascist interludes to prove that clean murder is still a part of 
human nature.  cut and run is not democratic feebleness against terrorists.  
cut and run is all of the systematic mass murder a people with no desire to 
live elsewhere can stomach.  thank you and good night...

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