[eDebate] fuckface dictator planning war to block impeachment

Jake Stromboli infracaninophile
Sat Jun 3 09:00:44 CDT 2006

anything that karl rove is heavily invested in which is obviously no longer 
enron but i am sure you can figure it out.   by the way i made no prediction 
in the post you replied.  simply quoted a former CIA analyst prediction.   
mcgovern can probably tell you what stock he thinks cheney and bush will 
make money on if the attacks happen.   probably not American Airlines, 
United Airlines since those are fait d'accompli.    maybe southwest airlines 
this time crashing into the crawford complex.

truthout.org is sticking w NOT the prediction but the FACT that karl rove 
has already been indicted b/c they have 3 sources inside the fitz camp to 
confirm.   so i would sell all your stock in the republican party b/c it is 
already fucked and buy white collar prison stock since they are going to 
have to build new facilities to include half of the current honkey house.  
challenge you to find a statement from rove or his attorneys requesting that 
these lies be removed from publication on the internet cuz there is none.


The Continued Interest in the Rove Indictment Story

By Marc Ash,

Fri Jun 2nd, 2006 at 02:55:06 PM EDT :: Fitzgerald Investigation

We are still getting a high volume of email inquiries on our Rove indictment 
story from May 13, 2006. We greatly appreciate your interest, and are well 
aware of the right of all Americans to know what is happening here.

So again, for the record: We stand by the story. TO's staff is treating this 
story as our highest priority and will be following up with additional 
information as it becomes available.

Clearly the question is: "If Karl Rove has been indicted, why has there been 
no official announcement?" Right now we have only general indicators as to 
why an announcement might not be made when an indictment has been returned. 
And even though these indicators do exist, we need to more clearly 
understand exactly what is happening in this case before we can report on 

This a unique situation, and frankly a stressful one. We would like to thank 
all of those who have offered their support during the course of this 
ordeal. We fully intend to press on.

Marc Ash, Executive Director - t r u t h o u t
director at truthout.org

hey, FACTLESS prediction accuser, i got some inside info on the slow release 
of the rove indictment.   hahaha scooter libby is getting his ass kicked in 
front of the judge by fitzgerald regarding evidence requests for his 
defense...that's on top of the rove turning state's evidence claim already 
mentioned.   sorry republicanos your boyz are going to jail.   torture is 
intentionally slow:


Scooter Libby & The Barber of Seville

Posted by H2O Man in General Discussion
Sat Jun 03rd 2006, 08:31 AM

June 2, 2006 was not a good day for Scooter Libby and his legal team. Just 
as people following the case will remember Scooter using crutches when he 
was indicted on October 28, 2005, yesterday may be remembered as the day 
Judge Walton knocked the crutches out from under his case. The Judge filed 
three documents that are worth taking a closer look at.

The first is Document 112, which is Judge Walton's Order, which outlines the 
Court's answer to Team Libby's Third Motion to Compel Discovery. This motion 
had led to Mr. Fitzgerald's Response and Team Libby's Reply, which allowed 
the public to have a far greater appreciation for the amount of evidence 
that the prosecutor has about the OVP/WHIG attempts to "discredit" 
Ambassador Joseph Wilson.

On May 5, the Court heard argument from both sides on the disputed issues. 
Team Libby had presented ten separate areas of information they argued were 
essential for his defense. Their goal is to make the case into a debate 
about the war in Iraq, and to argue about the president's state of the union 
address with his infamous "16 words," and about Wilson's trip to Niger.

But the judge isn't allowing that to happen. "Rather," Judge Walton writes, 
"the only question the jury will be asked to resolve in this matter will be 
whether the defendant intentionally lied when he testified before the grand 
jury and spoke with FBI agents about statements he purportedly made to the 
three reporters concerning Ms. Wilson's employment. The prosecution of this 
action, therefore, involves a discrete cast of characters and events, and 
this Court will not permit it to become a forum for debating theaccuracy of 
Ambassador Wilson's statements, the propriety of the Iraq war or related 
matters leading up to the war, as those events are not the basis for the 
charged offenses. At best, these events have merely an abstract relationship 
to the charged offenses."

Judge Walton explains in a footnote that this "reality is not altered" 
because Mr. Fitzgerald will introduce various news reports on the Wilson 
trip as evidence. He notes that Mr. Fitzgerald will not be introducing the 
full articles, that the Court "suspects it would not permit" the prosecution 
to introduce full articles if it attempted to, and that the truth of the 
articles is not at issue. Judge Walton defines the limited purposes that 
such evidence will be allowed to be introduced for. None of those purposes 
can be viewed as helping Team Libby.

Those limited purposes translate into seven of Team Libby's requests being 
fully denied. "For several reasons, and contrary to the defendant's position 
otherwise, the bulk of the documents which may be responsive to these 
requests are simply not material to the preparation of the defendant's 
defense," Judge Walton noted. Rather, they were attempts to dillute the 
prosecution's case by introducing evidence "without regard for whether the 
defendant or any likely witnesses even reviewed or ever knew about these 

And even in the case of the National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) that 
Scooter and other likely witnesses were aware of, Judge Walton correctly 
ruled that it is not at issue, because Mr. Fitzgerald is not claiming that 
it was "improperly" disclosed by Libby.

In the end, the Judge ordered the prosecution to produce a limited number of 
documents "to the extent it has not already done so" that relate directly to 
Scooter's role in the OVP/WHIG "effort to rebut the accuracy of Ambassador 
Wilson's" trip and findings, and related documents that are discoverable 
under Brady.

Document 113 is Judge Walton's Protective Order, in which he grants Mr. 
Fitzgerald's motion to withhold "discrete items of classified information 
from the defendant, and to provide to the defense, as substitutes for 
several items of classified information, summaries setting forth the 
relevant information contained in the classified documents."

A quick review of the types of classification may be helpful here. For those 
not familiar, these classifications are pursuant to Executive Order 12958, 
as amended by Executive Order 13292. National security information is 
classified in three ways: Top Secret; Secret; or Confidential. "Top Secret" 
is the designation of information which if improperly disclosed could 
reasonably be expected to cause "exceptionally grave damage to the national 
security." Next, "Secret" means the information's unauthorized disclosure 
could reasonably be expected to cause serious damage to national security. 
And "Confidential" designates information which when improperly disclosed 
can reasonably be expected to damage our national security.

Judge Walton writes that after careful review of the prosecutor's requests, 
"the Court finds the documents and information identified in the 
government's Section 4 CIPA filings are extremely sensitive and their 
disclosure could cause serious if not grave damage to the national security 
of the United States." Thus, he will allow Mr. Fitzgerald to provide 
"unclassified substitutions (which) are more than sufficient to address any 
obligation the government might have to produce the underlying classified 
documents and information to the defense."

This information includes a limited recounting of Valerie Plame's employment 
history with the Agency from January 2002 on; a review of "potential damage" 
created by the disclosure of her affiliation with the Agency; and the names 
of three individuals mentioned in classified documents previously provided 
to the defense.

The most significant issue, in my opinion, is that Judge Walton heard Mr. 
Fitzgerald's Motion in camera and ex parte, which means in chambers and with 
only the prosecutor there to present his side. Team Libby was particularly 
upset by the prospect of this being presented ex parte. There are a couple 
reasons why. First, Judge Walton is known for having strong beliefs on the 
need to keep classified information secret. His stating that the information 
Mr. Fitzgerald showed him "could cause serious if not grave damage" to our 
country if improperly disclosed indicates he has an appreciation for the 
full flavour of the OVP/WHIG operation against the Wilsons.

Further, although the classified information will not be introduced as part 
of the case for the jury to consider, Judge Walton now knows what the CIA 
knows about the case. It reminds me of when attorneys were preparing my 
friend Rubin "Hurricane" Carter's federal appeal, and they wanted to include 
what was known as the Caruso File. Leon Friedman, the Hofstra University 
professor who co-authored the definitive 5-volume history of the justices of 
the US Supreme Court, included the information in his appeal. The federal 
judge read the appeal, and then excluded the information from the Caruso 
File, because it did not fit the definition of an exhausted claim. However, 
Leon knew it was like on a movie, when explosive evidence is introduced, and 
the judge orders a jury to ignore it for technical reasons. No juror or 
movie viewer forgets that evidence. In Carter's case, Judge Sarokin noted 
that not only was he overturning the conviction on procedural grounds, but 
that he was aware that Rubin Carter was not only "not guilty," but that he 
was innocent. That was because he had read the Caruso File. In Scooter's 
case, even though the trial is limited to Libby's lying to the FBI and grand 
jury, Judge Walton is now aware of the true nature of the issues involved in 
the OVP/WHIG operation to destroy the Wilsons.

Document 114 is Judge Walton's Order to the prosecutor and defense to 
"appear for a status conference on June 12, 2006 at 1:30 p.m." They will be 
discussing several issues, including the status of discovery; the 
possibility that other motions are going to be filed; and if Mr. Fitzgerald 
will be "asserting any claims of executive privilege." These three issues 
alone make the hearing worth keeping an eye on. But there is something else 
that appears far more significant.

Judge Walton wants to discuss if the parties "believe it is necessary to 
issue early returnable trial subpoenas to resolve anticipated claims of 
testimonial privilege." It is hard not to conclude that Judge Walton is 
taking Mr. Fitzgerald's statements regarding the possibility of calling one 
Dick Cheney to testify very seriously. The possibility of Mr. Fitzgerald 
calling on the vice president is fascinating to consider, and there is a 
variety of opinions on how Dick Cheney might respond. Will he attempt to 
avoid testifying? Surely he would not want to either be used by Mr. 
Fitzgerald to put the screws to the man who is lying to protect him. Nor 
would he want to risk lying on the witness stand.

The three documents filed by Judge Walton on June 2 were bad for Scooter 
Libby. The June 12 hearing may be worse for Dick Cheney.

>From: "Martin Harris" <mharris02 at drury.edu>
>To: <infracaninophile at hotmail.com>
>CC: <edebate at ndtceda.com>
>Subject: Re: [eDebate] fuckface dictator planning war to block impeachment
>Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 22:30:06 -0500
>Since you seem to be back in the role of making predictions, can you
>suggest some stocks you think are going to do well over the next 2
>months?  I have been looking to SELL short some stock and would look
>forward to your suggestions as almost guaranteed wins for me.
>Martin Harris

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