[eDebate] Time to Review the Merger

Josh Hoe jbhdb8
Thu Jun 8 23:17:16 CDT 2006

Sure, I suspect it would be easy to make sure the NDT no longer debated the
CEDA topic...just go back to two value topics a year.  That would do it for

Not really sure what Andy's argument is....A team can still travel
exclusively a CEDA schedule, still attend CEDA nationals only, still set
CEDA regional or overall points championships as the squad goal.  What
exactly are you saying?  No program is forced to debate at traditionally NDT
tournaments or at the NDT.  Any program still has exactly the same choices
open to them as they did when I debated CEDA.

So, whats left, if the above is true, is the topic...and that is voted for
by the CEDA membership and written by elected CEDA leadership members.

Guess I am being somewhat purposefully obtuse but for a point...rarely was
there really an ideal romantic past and hardly ever can it be returned to.

What you are really arguing, I suspect, is that you wish more people
supported a less national circuit approach so that there was more viable
regional debate all over the country.  The lack of this is NOT the fault of
the merger...It was happening at the end of traditional CEDA before the


On 6/8/06, Gary Larson <Gary.N.Larson at wheaton.edu> wrote:
>  Andy's call to evaluate the effects of the "merger" between CEDA and NDT
> is an important call do something that is a necessary part of institutional
> decision-making. If we're not self-reflective about the impact of decisions
> we make, we will inevitably evolve in directions that are less than ideal.
> But the final paragraph of Andy's post deserves comment.  He asks
> presumably the historically CEDA part of his audience,
> "Do we still want to be a part of the NDT process? Has it paid off for
> us?"
>  The irony here is that the "merger" such as it is was not a CEDA decision
> to be part of the NDT process.  It was rather an NDT decision to be part of
> the CEDA process.  The watershed moment was a decision by the NDT community
> to adopt the CEDA topic.  The conditions for that decision - that the topic
> be worded as a policy resolution and that there only be one topic per year -
> had both been essentially already adopted by the CEDA community independent
> of any possibility that the NDT would adopt the CEDA topic.
> As a result, the topic selection process remains uniquely a CEDA
> constitutional function, even if some fret that it has been co-opted.  If
> CEDA were to decide that Andy's concern is warranted and that CEDA no longer
> wanted to be part of the NDT process, it would discover that unilateral
> disengagement is impossible.  The question is not whether CEDA adopts the
> NDT topic - it's whether the NDT adopts the CEDA topic.  Besides topic
> construction there really is no merger (other than that defined by travel
> patterns and choices to attend one or both of the national tournaments - but
> a number of schools played on both sides of the street long before there was
> talk of a merger).
> Given a somewhat popular narrative that says that CEDA lost programs to
> Parli because it capitulated to NDT, the real story is perhaps even more
> interesting.
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