[eDebate] WVU Jv/Novi Nats was awesome!

NEIL BERCH berchnorto
Tue Mar 7 12:16:29 CST 2006

Thanks, Ken (and others) for your feedback.  Let me note that I've become convinced that I was too hasty on the prefs issue.  I think Andy, Ken, Ken, Joe, and others are probably right.  If we do this next year, we would use a 4-to-6 category pref system, probably supplemented with strike cards for late outrounds.

I would note that I shared Ken D.'s concern that Emporia, UTSA, and Oklahoma were disadvantaged in later outrounds by the departures of other D3 schools (and had similar concerns for Liberty with the fairly early departure of most D7 schools), but I thought it was important to get people on the road as soon as possible.

Other issues raised have been noted; I will respond soon (and am looking at an outside possibility of being able to do 7 rounds with doubles on Sunday and octas-to-finals at the hotel on Monday; cost and the ability to have 16 rounds simultaneously without disturbing one another are the issues).

Please keep the feedback coming.
--Neil Berch
West Virginia University
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Ken Johnson<mailto:kenrjohnson at msn.com> 
  To: edebate at ndtceda.com<mailto:edebate at ndtceda.com> 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 10:29 AM
  Subject: [eDebate] WVU Jv/Novi Nats was awesome!

  Along with everybody, I would like to thank the WVU crew for hosting one 
  hellova tournament.  This tournament continues to be my favorite tournament 
  experience year in and year out.  There is something really special about it 
  -- for many of my debaters, it is what they spend the season preparing for 
  -- thank you for an excellent exclamation point on the end of our jv/novice 

  Not (at all) to criticize, here are a few thoughts about comments other 
  folks have brought up and a new one of my own --

  1. entry fees -- It is huge for us to not have to pay entry fees at this 
  tournament -- with 8 teams, i imagine we would have been paying $800-1000 to 
  attend if there had been fees.  We will use this extra $$ to try to take 
  extra folks to other (ndt/ceda nats) tournaments.  Thank you WVU!  That 
  being said (and i realize its a privileged position to say this), I'd be 
  willing to pay some sort of entry fee (25/team -- maybe 50??) to allow for 2 
  things --

  a) better trophies for doubles through semis.  the championship challis was 
  great, but it would be nice to have something a little more deluxe for the 
  other folks.  for some, this is their last tournament ever.  not the biggest 
  deal ever, just a thought.

  b) i hesitate to go down this road, but maybe the tournament could use fees 
  to hire a few helpers to ensure WVU people get to debate.  Those students 
  are incredible members of our community.  their selflessness in hosting this 
  tournament and sitting out nationals speaks to their commitment to the 
  community and the beauty of the WVU program.  I would love to see them in 
  the tournament.  Maybe folks could be hired with additional money to help 
  run ballots / set up food / get me coffee when i'm passing out during semis 
  (thank you!!!).  I know it would be an extra layer of hosting nightmare to 
  have to hire folks, get the tax work done, etc. ... just a thought

  2.  Prefs -- I like them for this tournament -- it allows folks with 
  arguments that won't be considered by some of the judges to run their jazz 
  without be excluded.  maybe i'm dead wrong and the "strike 30%" idea would 
  be better for making sure people aren't silence, but i'll wait for that 
  argument before abandoning prefs.  i also like andy's idea of the strike 
  card for outrounds.

  3.  tournament schedule -- yes, 4 on saturday, 3 + partial on sunday, and 
  outrounds forever on monday would be ideal.  even more ideal is having a 
  person willing to host.  whatever works for the host is fine by me.  i think 
  7 rounds is important for all the reasons everybody else has stated.

  all in all, this was a wonderful experience.  even my students who did not 
  clear said they learned a bunch (we have a number of bard-style converts -- 
  watch out world!!!).  WVU is a gorgeous campus.  great class rooms for 
  debates.  and the weather was awesome!!!

  thank you neil for all that you do.  i know you wouldn't, but please do not 
  take these comments as criticism; just as utopian thoughts for improvement 
  of a difficult logistical situation.

  We should be proud of our debate community!

  Ken Johnson

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