[eDebate] WVU course reversal? SAY IT AIN'T SO!
Wed Mar 8 15:30:03 CST 2006
OK, part of the problem here is that I've been too quick to click the send
button, both to say that we would do it and to say that we wouldn't. Going
back a few years, Towson hosted, and it was just assumed they would do so
until they said they wouldn't. Georgetown hosted last year, and it was
assumed they would do so until they said they wouldn't. I thought the same
applied to us, but it's clear now that there are both concerns and a
soon-to-be-competing offer. So, I will outline our proposal, and then I
will leave it up to "the community" to decide both how to decide and what
decision to make (and to decide who "the community" is). As I indicated
earlier, our ability to host is dependent upon the continued availability of
hotel space for the Monday rounds. And, it's not fair (nor has my
indecision been fair) to Beth, Andy, Chris, and Darren to hold this up for a
long time. So, a quick decision is both good and necessary.
So, people should talk about how to decide between us hosting JV/Novice Nats
next year, Towson hosting them, and someone else (yet unspoken) hosting
them, and they should voice their opinion. One thing not to be concerned
with: as far as I know, we're not mad at anyone. Indeed, I've had pleasant
backchannel conversations with both Andy and Jimbo in the last 16 hours (in
the latter case, mostly at Matt Stannard's expense).
Here's what we're proposing:
a) Saturday-Monday, with 4 rounds on Saturday, 3 prelims plus doubles on
Sunday, remaining outrounds at the hotel on Monday.
b) better trophies
c) a modified preference system (4-6 categories), supplemented by a strike
sheet for later outrounds; I've gotten some advice from Gary Larson on how
to improve preferences within that system. Tab room to be run by WVU, with
WVU debaters not competing (I just conversed with much of my team, and they
continue to be OK with that).
d) most or all meals provided, with consultation with Jimbo and others on
vegetarian and vegan alternatives (I would note that there were more places
open late at night in Morgantown than he reported).
e) hopefully, the use of one or two closer builidings.
f) an entry fee that will be a little less than what Georgetown charged,
and which can be reduced by $35 per qualified round of extra judging offered
(meaning if you enter two teams and offer 13 rounds of qualified judging
instead of 7, your fees would be waived entirely).
g) a requirement that judges must have judged 12 rounds on the topic
(waivable in extremely compelling circumstances).
I will now sit back and observe (though I may answer factual questions). I
would like to have this decided in the next 5 days (by the end of the day on
Monday). If the answer is not readily apparent by then, I will consult with
our good friends at Towson and anyone else who expresses an interest. Since
there is no formal process for deciding this, the "community" needs to
figure out how to do it.
We're happy either way. Part of me says we really liked hosting this. Part
of me says that I haven't done right by my students, as I've spent too much
time this year on regional rep duties (term soon to expire), tabbing
tournaments (we're about to have a bright group of new--and
gender-balanced--tab room directors training to tab East region
tournaments), and doing this tournament. So, whatever people want is fine
West Virginia University
>From: "Kate Baxter-Kauf" <katekauf at hotmail.com>
>To: edebate at ndtceda.com
>Subject: Re: [eDebate] WVU course reversal? SAY IT AIN'T SO!
>Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 13:29:51 -0500
>I agree profoundly with Tuna.? We had an excellent time in Morgantown, and
>continue to be just awed by the degree of professionalism, sacrifice, and
>helpfulness shown by the West Virginia University debate program and Neil
>There is no doubt that more discussions?can always be had about inclusion,
>especially about food choices, but considering the work and effort put in
>by WVU for a *free* tournament, most of that can be dealt with with
>preplanning and a little squad effort.? The Buffalo squad consists of one
>picky eater and one vegan, and they were more than satisfied with the
>options available, and more than willing to bring food along and eat at
>night after the tournament as well.
>Plus, THERE WERE GIRL SCOUT COOKIES.
>--- Kate Baxter-Kauf
>University of Rochester/SUNY-Buffalo
>katekauf at yahoo.com
>From: Alfred Snider <alfred.snider at uvm.edu>
>To: berchnorto at msn.com, edebate at ndtceda.com
>Subject: [eDebate] WVU course reversal? SAY IT AIN'T SO!
>Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 13:21:51 -0500
> >Just the sight of the subject line on Neil's post in the index of my
> >digest made me shivver.
> >I urge WVU to hold the tournament again. Minor changes solve all salient
> >A huge flood of complements and the tournament is gone because of
> >Jimbo's post? Come on, this is debate ... and the balance of arguments
> >should hold sway.
> >The Sat-Sun-Mon plan solves all of my concerns about the tournament.
> >We drove a long way and will do it again. An East Coast location makes
> >it really difficult for our D3 friends and others.
> >There were lots of
>excellent places to eat. The Black Bear rocks. I had
> >a good Mexican meal at El Mariachi.
> >We have a ton of tournaments during the year. I have seen MANY UDL
> >students at tournaments. Schools affiliated with UDLs should offer a
> >tournament and urge people to come. This is not a strong reason to dump
> >WVU, and I speak as someone who has been involved in the UDL movement
> >since the beginning.
> >Ever worked in a restaurant? Some people are always unhappy. My crew had
> >no problem. Why not stay at WVU and switch away from Subway?
> >Monday? Friday? Class?
> >We cannot have a two day tournament. Something's got to give wherever we
> >We need to establish and keep a location for this very important
> >tournament. Otherwise it will be marginalized. I say WVU
> >will host and sponsor a tournament that moves from region to region and
> >that people bid for.
> >Please join me in urging Neil to reconsider his withdrawal.
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