[eDebate] JV/Novice Nationals
Zompetti at aol.com
Thu Mar 9 00:03:05 CST 2006
Of course CEDA does not have the "jurisdiction" (to use Josh's term) or the
constitutional mandate to dictate the location of a novice/JV national
tournament. That isn't how I read Beth's post.
Instead, it would be nice -- and probably in the authoritative realm of the
CEDA exec -- to have someone propose a by-law/constitutional change
sanctioning one, official novice/JV national tournament. Just like the NDT or CEDA
nationals, the location can change from year-to-year depending on who wants to
host. But a coordinated tournament that has encouragement and support from
the administration would accrue the following benefits:
1. higher likelihood of a quality tournament -- if CEDA sanctions it, folks
2. less tournament infringement -- if there's one "national" tournament, it
will be less likely that multiple novice/JV, etc. national tournaments will
occur at the same time -- or at least in close proximity. This is not to
dismiss the ADA nationals or NDT/CEDA, but rather to say that it does seem crazy
to have 2 or more tournaments that call themselves the "novice/JV national
tournament" in the same season
3. more cooperation -- if tournament hosts alternate venues, then those
hosts can help each other in the planning and perhaps even in the hosting --
much like the NDT hosts help during the planning of the subsequent year's NDT
4. creates less stress on potential hosts -- of course, hosting a huge
national tournament is enormous stress, so why should we create more? If a host
knows for sure that their tournament will be the sanctioned one for a
particular year, then folks like WVU don't have to worry that they're short-changing
their teams by hosting a tournament and fear that others won't attend.
CEDA probably should, at the very least, look into this matter. Not to
dictate, but to guide and help and foster a community -- isn't that its mission???
In a message dated 3/8/2006 11:02:40 P.M. Central Standard Time,
joepatrice at gmail.com writes:
I'm just going to focus on the concept of the CEDA leadership intervening in
this matter. I cannot speak for the rest of the ole executive branch, but I
don't think this fits within the powers of the CEDA executive.
First of all, two of the "National" tournaments on the schedule are ADA and
the NDT...while a blatant CEDA power grab would fulfill a certain
megalomaniacal vision of CEDA's future (come on...one of us self-identifies as
"Chief"...you have to see world domination coming), I don't think anyone thinks CEDA
can tell ADA and the NDT to stop having their tournaments.
So, beyond CEDA Nats, can CEDA dictate what tournaments call themselves
"Nationals?" I think that also goes beyond the Constitution. Perhaps an
amendment is necessary to provide the executive the role of accrediting a JV/Novice
National tournament, but I don't see that power there now.
And I would argue that I'm leaning toward this being a power that CEDA
should not have. If your proposal is that one location should be designated as
the sole JV/Novice national tournament, that would best realize the word
"national" but I think it could be counterproductive to what we're hoping to
accomplish with JV/Novice Nats. For a variety of reasons, most JV/Novice squads
are not in a position to fly their debaters all over the country for one
tournament. Many JV/Novice programs have small budgets, many JV/Novice programs
have 4 or 5 teams they want to travel to these tournaments, many have open
teams too and need to balance their budget to travel to these tournaments AND
CEDA Nats (and some to the NDT) and certainly that would be difficult for us to
afford if CEDA dictated that THE novice national tournament was the Sac State
JV/Novice nats. While it is not perhaps "National" the current structure of
3 "Super-Regional" championships (West, Middle, East) that allow cross-over
maximizes the national feel without sacrificing one geographical set of teams
to the altar of defining a single national tournament (and I say 3 because,
despite its title, I think we can all agree that this thread is not focusing
on Northwestern tournament, whose eligibility rules make it more accurately
"Frosh Nationals" or "TOC Part 2: The Quickening").
To conclude, I do not think this is an area for CEDA leadership intervention
and I would argue strongly against dictating one tournament as the sole
JV/Novice Nationals because that necessarily leads to some novice teams having
nowhere to go.
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