[eDebate] Geez - We have no method......

Jean-Paul Lacy lacyjp
Sun May 7 12:07:22 CDT 2006

Jackie --

Every time some asks "What are steps one and two?"
and "If we take steps one and two, what do steps three and four look like?"
and finally "If we take all your steps, what will the topic look like?"

Your response is "Am I on the topic committee? NO! So it doesn't matter."


ps - Does your pedagogy really need a pillar?

At 10:26 AM 5/7/2006, debate at ou.edu wrote:

>I think this explains how the cattle is herded, but what are the pillars 
>of pedigogy utilized to create a topic
>I gave examples of important issues that should be discussed before 
>solvency advocates are chased down
>and filed together.
>I do not doubt how the process you describes works, nor do I doubt that 
>everyone works very hard towards a
>common goal of creating a topic.
>If you want to say nothing "shady" happens in this community dealing with 
>rules, what the topic areas are and
>other issues, then you are really just kissing some a$$ right now.
>So your post was nice, nor do I doubt what you say, but there is step one 
>and two and you explained steps 3
>and 4.  I dont doubt the role you played nor anyone who shows up.
>Yes I am coming for sure, I have no doubts about this.  Which was my 
>position last year, that if you dont show
>up, and dont have a tight network with someone there, then your 
>SOL  (which you agreed with).
>See you in KC
> >
> > Maybe this isn't it.. but I have this to say.
> >
> > I was at the topic committee meeting... seems to me pretty simple,
> > they talk
> > about ideas, we have framing discussions, had wording discussions,
> > etc.
> > Paul Mose and Joelle Japser were there too... and I got assigned
> > one night
> > to make sure the co-op topic, at least in the space cooperation
> > section was
> > worded correctly.  If my freshman can get input... so can anyone.
> >
> > I think I was assigned to talk about exploration the next day... we
> > had
> > meetings, folks there got research assignments to check cases,
> > etc... and
> > solvency articles... and we crafted.
> >
> > There was nothing backchannel or shady about it Jackie, you just
> > had to show
> > up.  In the case of JT you just had to be online to get IMs or
> > emails from
> > me about how you thought the wording should go.
> >
> > Even undergrads got assignments... people had opinions, but by and
> > large the
> > process was open and as far as crafting resolutions go.. I felt I
> > got
> > everything in I wanted to say.  We got the co-op resolution we
> > wanted people
> > to look at and vote on.
> >
> > It didn't win, but I felt I crafted or helped craft a China
> > resolution, so I
> > can die happy now.
> >
> > NO ONE on the commitee pretended to be an expert, and Eric Suni was
> > probably
> > quickest on the box to get info.  Hell even Ede was talking about
> > solvency
> > advocates, etc...ground.  I found it one of the most DEMYSTIFYING
> > processes
> > I've ever seen.  Everyone at home I communicated with got input.
> >
> > Yeah its hard to get to Kansas City, but if you want to shape the
> > topic, its
> > worth the trip.  Hell I'm leaving for law school and I'm trying to
> > get to
> > the topic meeting just because the process itself was pretty damned
> > cool and
> > open.
> >
> > I love ya Jackie, but dude... go to KC and see it firsthand.  It's
> > not all
> > that damned elitist, its pretty populist.  Ross Smith makes good
> > jokes too.
> > Everyone gets input... but you know decisions are made.
> >
> > Ken D.
> >
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