[eDebate] DCA Humor
Mon May 15 15:42:55 CDT 2006
I could not agree more. It was a student of mine that actually directed me
to the DCA post.
Listen, I know some people think I take the "moral cop" role too seriously.
Most of you know that I am far from being a prude or a stick-in-the-mud in
my personal life. However, edebate is a list serv for both high school and
college debaters. We may not like the fact that our consequences have
actions...we often believe that they should not...that is not realistic.
Many of my parents will google stuff about debate or troll on cross-x.com
because they are interested in what this activity is that their students are
engaged in. It is very hard for me to justify this activity to the parents
of 14-year-old students with posts like these. I think many high school
directors formulate opinions about future hires based on judgements they
form from the list serv. Should they? Probably not, but they do.
Censorhip or no censorship...people need to remember who their audience is.
If you don't think your lab kids google your name within their first fifteen
minutes of library session at institute, you are flat wrong. If you don't
think a portion of their parents google your name when their kids call home
from institute, you are also wrong.
Humor is a bit different to a group of fourteen-year-old novice debaters
than it is to a group of 23-year-old grad asses at a bar.
I know an apology was submitted...it is unfair because I am sure Casey/Dave
are taking heat on things that other people have been doing as well.
Probably a day or so late on this debate, but I am glad that Joe initiated a
much needed angle on the high school audience.
Director of Debate, Glenbrook South
President, National Debat Coaches Association
>From: "Joseph Carver" <carrolltondebate at gmail.com>
>To: "Brett Wallace" <bretagus at yahoo.com>
>CC: edebate at ndtceda.com
>Subject: Re: [eDebate] DCA Humor
>Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 10:56:08 -0400
>I am not interested in sorting out whether this post was appropriate for
>forum or not but I do think that it is worthwhile to remind folks that
>college debaters aren't the only one's who read these posts. I have a
>classroom of young female debaters whose introduction to the college debate
>community comes fromthe listserv. While some of you might have trouble
>recognizing the difference between a high school senior and a college
>student, let me assure you that there is one. The list is the communities
>face in many cases. A small sampling of some of these would be enough to
>turn some incoming first years away. Strauss and Casey are sweet dudes.
>they recognize it was too much. Try to remember that your posts don't just
>go into your buddy's inboxes but into the inboxes of young debaters,
>Dir. of Debate
>Carrollton School of the Sacred Heart
>On 5/14/06, Brett Wallace <bretagus at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>lol, your post was pretty funny (seriously). and i
>>really dont have anythign against you/hope that i
>>didnt piss you off or anything.
>>as for the substance of the people getting pissed
>>about dca stuff - ill just cross apply debbies post bc
>>i thought it was good/a better characterization of
>>what i was trying to say.
>>as for the stuff specific to you, like i said i
>>thought it was fine that you wanted to post explaining
>>your situation. maybe you were calmer than i thought,
>>i was just just in general trying to heg against
>>people overreacting and trying to put things in
>>perspective...not that casey mentioning your body was
>>RIGHT...but just trying to make him not seem like a
>>complete asshole for it, and instead just somebody who
>>maybe made a mistake. so yes, your request i agree was
>>ill admit i DID know what congenital meant though,
>>however after reading the definitions you posted...i
>>guess what i was confused about was WHAT defect it was
>>that the surgery corrected.
>>ps - at the UT banquet dave make a joke to the entire
>>tournament about theile peeing on people.....everybody
>>laughed. this was also in a public forum, to coaches
>>administrators and even spoken by the tournament host.
>>was this wrong? should theile have been pissed? i
>>dunno...maybe? but i know it was damn funny and theile
>>was a good sport about it.
>>clearly this is not a completely analogous
>>example...but hopefully it shows that there are times
>>we can rip on people in good humor and without people
>>--- Lindsey Lathrop <jdicamp at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > Brett, it is correct that you did not say the words
>> > "bitch", that was my
>> > take on how "humorless" could be interpreted. Like
>> > anytime a woman gets mad
>> > at something you might think is funny, she's seen as
>> > not having a sense of
>> > humor. This overflow of emotion that is not
>> > explainable in terms of humor
>> > is seen as bitchy.
>> > I do not really understand your post to respond to
>> > jane in the first place.
>> > Just because she points out that disparaging remarks
>> > were made about women
>> > in the post (more than the ones about men), and
>> > makes a connection to low
>> > participation numbers does not mean that she was
>> > denying that mean things
>> > had been said about men. Why you were upset about
>> > her post is unknown to
>> > me. There is not a huge under representation of men
>> > in the activity, so I
>> > do not really under why you are mad about her making
>> > a link about a real
>> > concern in the community.
>> > I'm not making things up to make you look bad;
>> > people can decide that for
>> > themselves. I don't think a public list serve is
>> > the place to go into
>> > detail, but ultimately that's probably something
>> > decided on a personal
>> > basis.
>> > Matt can fight his own battles, we are separate
>> > people and while I don't
>> > consider him to be a "douche" I'm not here to defend
>> > him. So regardless of
>> > how he handles that, he and casey have a long term
>> > banter between them, and
>> > none of it involves me so I have just respectfully
>> > asked that my personal
>> > choices not pertaining to anyone involved on the
>> > list serve not be posted.
>> > While Casey's Strauss's and any other authors might
>> > be factual correct on
>> > me, they are not relevant to the post or respectful
>> > to someone who is not
>> > even involved.
>> > Yeah Yeah fake boobs are hot, while this is a neat
>> > observation, If I don't
>> > want my body to be talked about I think it would be
>> > ok for people to not do
>> > that. I am having a hard time understanding what
>> > is difficult about that
>> > request.
>> > No, it's not about being offered a job; it's about
>> > being looked at as more
>> > than two vain cups of saline. I'm not ashamed of
>> > my surgery; I just don't
>> > think this is the right place for a public
>> > discussion about it.
>> > Brett, here is a simple researching tip. I think it
>> > was in the earlier
>> > 1990's that a website called dictionary.com was
>> > invented. Not only is this
>> > a helpful website in everyday life, but it also is
>> > useful for topicality
>> > debates. It seems as though you are not familiar
>> > so I have posted the
>> > results below:
>> > con?gen?i?tal ( P ) Pronunciation Key
>> > (kn-jn-tl)
>> > adj.
>> > Of or relating to a condition that is present at
>> > birth, as a result of
>> > either heredity or environmental influences: a
>> > congenital heart defect;
>> > congenital syphilis.
>> > Being or having an essential characteristic as if by
>> > nature; inherent or
>> > inveterate: "the congenital American optimism that
>> > denies conflicts and
>> > imagines all stories having happy endings" (Robert
>> > J. Samuelson). See
>> > Synonyms at innate.
>> > [From Latin congenitus : com-, com- + genitus, born,
>> > past participle of
>> > gignere, to bear; see gen- in Indo-European Roots.]
>> > con?geni?tal?ly adv.
>> > [Download Now or Buy the Book]
>> > Source: The American Heritage(r) Dictionary of the
>> > English Language, Fourth
>> > Edition
>> > Copyright (c) 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
>> > Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights
>> > reserved.
>> > con?gen?i?tal (kn-jn-tl)
>> > adj.
>> > Existing at or before birth usually through
>> > heredity, as a disorder.
>> > Acquired at birth or during uterine development
>> > usually as a result of
>> > environmental influences.
>> > Source: The American Heritage(r) Stedman's Medical
>> > Dictionary
>> > Copyright (c) 2002, 2001, 1995 by Houghton Mifflin
>> > Company. Published by
>> > Houghton Mifflin Company.
>> > Main Entry: con?gen?i?tal
>> > Pronunciation: k?n-'jen-&-t&l
>> > Function: adjective
>> > 1 : existing at or dating from birth <congenital
>> > deafness>
>> > 2 : acquired during development in the uterus and
>> > not through heredity
>> > <congenital syphilis> ?compare ACQUIRED 2 FAMILIAL,
>> > HEREDITARY
>> > ?con?gen?i?tal?ly /-t&l-E/ adverb
>> > Source: Merriam-Webster's Medical Dictionary, (c) 2002
>> > Merriam-Webster, Inc.
>> > congenital
>> > adj : present at birth but not necessarily
>> > hereditary; acquired during fetal
>> > development [syn: inborn, innate, inherent]
>> > And if your internet is not working, you do have
>> > your friend Brian Linder,
>> > doctor to be, to help out on the long and sometimes
>> > tricky terms.
>> > A defect such as this is considered reconstructive,
>> > not plastic or cosmetic
>> > and therefore is covered by most insurance plans.
>> > You may think this is an overreaction, I think
>> > classifying it as such is
>> > wrong, and a simple request like don't talk about my
>> > breasts seems
>> > reasonable to me.
>> > Lindsey
>> > On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events
>> > for advice on how to
>> > get there!
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