[eDebate] On reforming the CEDA All American Awards
Morris, Eric R
Wed May 31 13:08:20 CDT 2006
As with Jim's prior elim points amendment, this proposal is sweet
because it acknowledges the hard working debaters who might be in the
middle of the pack in competitive success, but are vital to the health
and expansion of the activity.
I agree with everything here (including shifting from trophies to
certificates if cost is an issue), but I wonder if an exceptional
Academic All American shouldn't be more exceptional academically,
instead of (or in addition to) competitively - perhaps a 3.8/3.9 GPA or
We might also want to define the first criterion with respect to the
changed eligibility rules (two years of debate, 3 tournaments each - or
perhaps increase to 3 years - including the current - and 3 tournaments
Dr. Eric Morris
Asst Prof of Communication
Director of Forensics
Craig Hall 366A
Missouri State University
Springfield, MO 65897
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i agree with sam but have a different take on the solution. here's what
proposed to the exec committee:
the process is unnecessarily time consuming for coaches who have to fill
a recommendation form and then for the committee who has to read all of
them. it is also arbitrary. there is not a set criteria for each
member to pick their top 30. further, there are questions about how many
students from one team can receive an award, whether someone can receive
all-american plus a baby jo, etc. further, limiting the awards to just
restricts our recognition of some great kids.
here's my suggested solution, give all-american recognition to any
who meets the following criteria:
1. has competed in ceda debate for at least 4 semesters with at least 2
tournaments during each of those semesters.
2. for all american, has a minimum gpa of a 2.0 and has been in
rounds at 5 or more tournaments.
3. for exceptional all american, has a minimum gpa of 2.0 and has been
elimination rounds in senior division at 10 or more tournaments.
4. for academic all american, has a minimum gpa of a 3.5 and has been in
elimination rounds at 5 or more tournaments.
5. for exceptional academic all american, has a minimum gpa of a 3.5 and
been in elimination rounds in senior division at 10 or more tournaments.
when submitting, the coach would state which award the student is
would state the student's gpa and list the tournaments where the student
advanced to elims and in what division.
allow students to receive baby jo awards in addition to all american.
have no caps on the number of students receiving recognition from any
use nice certificates instead of awards to save money and provide more
flexibility since the number of recipients is going to vary more (maybe
already use certificates--sorry, i'm forgetting).
hansonjb at whitman.edu
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Subject: [eDebate] On reforming the CEDA All American Awards
My understanding is that the issue of reforming the Academic All
(Scholastic) Award and the All American Award will be discussed at the
summer meeting. I have served on many committees charged with giving
(including last year's) and have a historical perspective I want to
well as some thoughts about how to move to the future.
First the history: In the 80s and 90s, when someone was nominated for
American or Academic All American status they pretty much got it. The
would meet at CEDA Nationals (we usually got a round off from judging)
CEDA Second VP would pass everyone a folder with the letters for each
category. We would take a few minutes looking it over and approve the
was not difficult because we usually had less than or slightly more than
nominees in each category. If some school got greedy and nominated more
person to each category and we had to make a cut we would usually take
their nominees off the list. The idea behind the whole thing was that
something to give (usually to seniors) to let them know that they were
appreciated. It was also used by coaches (like me) to make a big deal to
administration and alums that we got an "All American." I also know of
person who got a job because they had CEDA debate All American on their
resume. The idea was that it was "nurturing" act. It was nurturing for
for the up and coming debate program, director in need of some positive
etc. One thing that separated the NDT from CEDA, back in the day, was
CEDA did a lot more of this kind of nurturing thing whereas the NDT just
ultracompetitive tournament with ultracompetitive awards (Copeland,
I have been disappointed with the way the awards have went down
past few years. As a result of the good works of the likes of Will Baker
Steinberg applicants are way up for each award. One is no longer assured
getting the award just by being nominated. Also, the committee no longer
face to face to discuss individual cases that may be falling through the
cracks. They just vote after reading the letters online. As a committee
did not know who made the cut until after the awards ceremony. I have
students that started out as true novices as first year college students
their way up to qualifying for the NDT as seniors and carrying a 3.9 GPA
selected for Scholastic All American. At the same time some schools are
getting three Academic All Americans even though their GPA is
I know of one student that literally saved her program from extinction
missed out on the award for who knows what reason. I think we need to
the process and instill the nurturing back in it.
1) Move up the deadline for submission of nominees: It was a rush this
year to read all the excellent letters.
2) Reestablish the face to face meeting of the committee at CEDA
stop individuals from falling through the cracks and embrace the worthy
concepts of discussion and deliberation.
3) Clarify the criteria for each award with "the spirit of nurturing" as
guiding principle. I reject the idea that we should have different
divisions" for the award. I think an All American is an All American.
not awards that recognize competitive success only. Whitman has plenty
those. I am hoping that the novice debater that starts his or her
student club can be recognized as an All American in the same way as
wins CEDA Nationals. This requires a more wholistic view of what All
4) Limit the number of nominees for each award to one per school. Why
greedy? Lets spread the wealth and good karma.
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