[eDebate] Ledewitz terrorism link to Morrison

Josh Hoe jbhdb8
Thu Sep 7 11:25:54 CDT 2006

Well, I am not really certain in what world I would use that as an internal
link card - however - if someone claims that Ledewitz was talking about VAWA
being necessary to stop mass terrorism impacts I figured it was important
for everyone to know that that is in fact NOT what he was talking about.

If a round happens where  someone reads that card shouldnt everyone know
what its actual warrant is?  I am not sure I understand your objection or in
what possible world this helps my team win any more than it would anyone
else who was debating someone running this card.

Basically, I saw an outlandish claim without a warrant - I emailed the
guy...found out he was making a MUCH more limited claim...and let everyone
know.  Seems pretty educational of me to SHARE that info with the community.

Now, since you have hypothetically accused me of doing this just to help my
team win - why dont you explain how that is possible given what I was
posting about.


On 9/7/06, scottelliott at grandecom.net <scottelliott at grandecom.net> wrote:
> I have a question for Josh and others. Is this e-mail conversation between
> you
> and Ledwitz going to now be used as "evidence" in a debate round? I saw
> another
> post where a debater or coach wrote a note to another "expert," trying to
> scam,
> er, "secure" a critical internal link card. if you are planning on using
> it as
> a part of your case and/or defense of your case or disad, did you disclose
> that
> your e-mail conversation would be used in a competitive academic debate in
> order
> to help your team win tournaments? Sometimes people are more critical of
> the
> questions posed when the person asking the question discloses ulterior
> motives.
> Perhaps the precedent has already been set. But it seems to me that
> fishing for
> cards via e-mail is very close to simply getting on a blog site and
> writing
> your own cards.
> I am sure I could goad a professor into agreeing with just about any link
> story
> I wanted, especially if he was answering on the asusmption that I was just
> an
> avid fan/student/scholar searching for "clarification" or the "logical
> conclusion" of her argument--rather than some debater or coach desperately
> trying to get a link card stretching Morrison into a nuke terrorism
> scenario.
> I am just wondering about whether it is ethical for debaters and/or
> coaches to
> go around securing cards from experts through the skillful use of
> questions.
> It is one thing to obtain clarification for one's own education--it is
> quite
> another to drive an author to a conclusion so that you can obtain a
> competitive
> advantage in a debate round. It just seems a bit unethical and also
> dangerous.
> Just wondering whether this is the new norm for securing evidence in
> college
> debate.
> Does posting on e-debate now count as a published source?
> If it does, then please use the following quote as much as you want in
> debate
> rounds:
> "It is unethical to use as evidence to support one's case or arguments the
> responses of experts to queries from debaters or debate coaches. The
> questions
> posed are soliticting responses to further the competitive advantages over
> other students and are tantamount to fabricating evidence. It is no
> different
> than making up one's own website and writing whatever link story one needs
> to
> win a debate round. Further, use of such solicited 'evidence' within
> college
> debate rounds will eventually anger White Supremicist Groups in America;
> who
> will then join with Russian Skinheads and German Neo-Nazis to secure a
> suitcase
> nuclear weapon from the Russian-Lithuanian mafia and detonate the nuclear
> device
> in New York City or the Port of Houston; triggering a mistaken retaliatory
> strike by the U.S. against Islamic nations, triggering an all out nuclear
> war.
> Each use of such solicited evidence pushes them closer to the brink of
> detonating the nuclear device and causing the destruction of the planet.
> And,
> to paraphrase Schell, because there impact is infinite, any risk of
> reading
> such solicited evidence in a debate round outweighs the utility of reading
> such
> evidence."
> Scott
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