[eDebate] Challenge to the Community

matt stannard stannardmatt
Thu Apr 5 21:22:58 CDT 2007


Omri doesn't have time to get into the details of his critique.  He's busy fantasizing about killing Palestinian children.
 
Did I just write that?  What happened to my inner monologue?
 
mjs> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 15:02:38 -0400> From: andy.edebate at gmail.com> To: ceren at usc.edu> CC: edebate at ndtceda.com> Subject: Re: [eDebate] Challenge to the Community> > hey omri while you are making friend.s..will you detail your citique> of my interpersonal community.> > thanks> > On 4/4/07, Omri Ceren <ceren at usc.edu> wrote:> > No. You just don't get it.> >> > There's actually a relatively robust criticism to be made of you,> > tracing how risk-free revolutionary posturing can hold the good hostage> > to the perfect while using aggressive smugness to insulate intellectual> > laziness. So for instance, no one of any intellectual care would claim> > to have seen the best debaters in the country claiming that "law is [the> > best method]... of pursuing racial justice in education". First of all,> > outside of a very precise use in pyschoanalytic critical literature,> > "the Law" isn't a meaningful category. There are multiple branches and> > levels of government empowered to enforce legislative and judicial> > decisions - and while I know that most of the debates that you saw this> > year didn't really think that those distinctions mattered, that's kind> > of my point too.> >> > Anyway, like I said - there's a relatively robust criticism of your> > personal sensibility, political ideology, and interpersonal community.> > But I doubt you'd get it.> >> > Omri.> >> >> > On 4/4/2007 3:00 PM Andy Ellis wrote:> > > Uh right, i will continue to do the work outside of the legal structure> > > and in it when necessary to increase minority access to and completion> > > of college. I dont doubt the efficacy of my methods, and sure i didnt> > > see the same debates you saw but my term heard and i saw many teams> > > adamently defending the necessity of using the law to challenege racial> > > discrimination and i am simply asking those that made the claims to> > > follow up on them.> > >> > > Furthermore i understand debaters cant sue for other peoples> > > inclusion(in a basic sense of the term i think there could be a claimant> > > who suggested that they where damaged by the lack of minority inclusion> > > in the community, but im probably wrong like you said im not in the> > > highly technical debates) but there are legal cases and movements that> > > debaters can contribute their skills and dedication to and furthermore> > > if through those super high end debates you saw provide the training> > > they promise then it seems as if you can figure out how to uses cases on> > > your campus as entree points to legal justice movements.> > >> > > or maybe all those things i heard in debates where just lies and nods to> > > racial inclusion?> > >> > > On 4/4/07, *Omri Ceren* < ceren at usc.edu <mailto:ceren at usc.edu>> wrote:> > >> > > Andy,> > >> > > Surely you should be leading this effort, what with all of the> > > topic-specific research that I'm sure you did this year. And with all> > > the high-tech policy rounds that you judged and scouted.> > >> > > Omri.> > >> > > On 4/4/2007 9:55 AM Andy Ellis wrote:> > > > So after a year of hearing debates about how the law is not only> > > a good> > > > means of pursuing racial justice in education, but the best method,> > i> > > > have a challenge to offer. Use the skills that you have acquired in> > > > debating about the law to craft a strategy that uses the law to> > > increase> > > > meaningful minority participation in the community. The NCAA has> > been> > > > sued for admissions requirements that preference test scores and> > > gpa, if> > > > there is precedent in that or other cases there should be a case> > > to sue> > > > your university or your debate team or ceda or the ndt, if they> > have> > > > those standards. But dont let my suggestions limit you, many many> > > many> > > > of you have researched and learned a whole lot about using the> > > law to> > > > fight for racial justice in education, you im sure can come up with> > > > something on your own.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------> > > >> > > > _______________________________________________> > > > eDebate mailing list> > > > eDebate at www.ndtceda.com <mailto:eDebate at www.ndtceda.com>> > > > http://www.ndtceda.com/mailman/listinfo/edebate> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------> > > >> > > > No virus found in this incoming message.> > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition.> > > > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.26/746 - Release Date:> > > 4/4/2007 1:09 PM> > >> > >> > > --> > >> > >> > > --------------> > > PhD Student, USC Annenberg School for Communication> > > Email: ceren at usc.edu <mailto:ceren at usc.edu>> > > Mobile: 412-512-7256> > > --------------> > >> > >> > >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------> > >> > > No virus found in this incoming message.> > > Checked by AVG Free Edition.> > > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.26/746 - Release Date: 4/4/2007> > 1:09 PM> >> >> > --> >> >> > --------------> > PhD Student, USC Annenberg School for Communication> > Email: ceren at usc.edu> > Mobile: 412-512-7256> > --------------> >> >> _______________________________________________> eDebate mailing list> eDebate at www.ndtceda.com> http://www.ndtceda.com/mailman/listinfo/edebate
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