[eDebate] question for Omri

Joseph Carver carrolltondebate
Fri Apr 6 13:02:39 CDT 2007

No interest in adding fuel Mike's directionless flame except to say that 1)
the high school programs that you cited seem to have more diversity than you
credit them for ( except gender diversity as two of these schools are male
only) and 2) you could not be more wrong in your descriptions of Andy's
For all of the faults in his arguments etc, Andy works pretty tirelessly to
increase debate opportunities for kids in the Baltimore area. He has
sacrificed a lot for his beliefs. Finally, California community colleges who
continue to use their travel budgets for week long parties at their "
national tournament" as opposed to provide more opportunity for students
shouldn't throw stones.


On 4/6/07, Ben Crossan <ben.crossan at gmail.com> wrote:
> Oh man, Andy's more stupid than borsch.... IN CHESS!
> Look, aside from being unfunny and ridiculous you obviously have no idea
> what you're talking about.  Andy has helped facilitate and expand debate for
> hundreds of high schoolers, middle schoolers and also quite a few college
> students in Baltimore.  The fact that you're basically completely ignorant
> about the Baltimore UDL means you probably shouldn't be jacking off your
> sense of pragmatic righteousness with its specter and should probably get
> more involved instead of mouthing non-sensical apologies for the status
> quo.
> On 4/6/07, Michael Korcok <mmk_savant at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > suppose Andy Ellis played against a bowl of borscht in a game of chess:
> > do you think it would be a draw or would the beet soup win?
> >
> > for everyone else:
> >
> > blaming others is just an excuse and preaching to others is a waste of
> > oxygen and just plain annoying to pretty much everyone except other
> > peacocks.  if you want more students from under-represented communities in
> > college debate then find them and coach them to success.  if you do that
> > already, then drive yourself and your self-righteous sanctimony in your
> > pretentious hybrid to Starbucks and treat yourself to a well-deserved latte.
> >
> >
> > if you don't do it already, a good first step is to quit your
> > activist-poser-professor job and start a debate program at a community
> > college.  in California, for example, 70% of undergraduates are enrolled in
> > the state's community colleges and those colleges educate a much higher
> > proportion of under-served populations than the 4-years do.  that's because
> > community colleges are open enrollment and pretty inexpensive.
> >
> > look, the UDLs work because instead of bemoaning the lack of poor
> > students at Marks, Damien, and Lexington, they set up debate where the poor
> > get educations.  same damn thing applies to you:  keep sitting in that cushy
> > office looking out at your sea of privileged academia,  ragewhining about
> > the injustice of it all or actually go coach debate where the poor go to
> > school.  not gonna do that?  just gonna mouth social justice slogans?  cool.
> >
> > Michael Korcok
> > Bakersfield College
> >
> >
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