[eDebate] hilarity ensues

Josh Hoe jbhdb8
Fri Apr 6 19:58:32 CDT 2007


Har de har har....I will go back to the jug band now....sorry to latch on to
the word "nuance" given the rest of what you said in the same email I was
clearly missing your point :)

Josh


On 4/6/07, Omri Ceren <ceren at usc.edu> wrote:
>
> Yes, nuance in the sense of being able to appreciate relevant
> distinctions across and within language and policy. So for instance,
> people who lack nuance often latch onto the wrong sense of a word or the
> wrong level of analysis as the basis for a self-styled rejoinder, and
> then fancy themselves witty.
>
> You know, it's ironic that in a conversation about nuance...
>
> Omri.
>
> On 4/6/2007 3:49 PM Josh Hoe wrote:
> > I think its funny that in pimping a string of nonsense worthy of Ann
> > Coulter
> > Omri keeps mentioning Nuance.....awesome,
> >
> > Josh
> >
> >
> > On 4/6/07, Omri Ceren <ceren at usc.edu> wrote:
> >>
> >> Oh please. Those are the best examples of extremism you could find on
> my
> >> blog (which, by the way, you very rudely did not link back to -
> >> http://www.mererehetoric.com for those looking)
> >>
> >> What about these ones? I've:
> >>
> >> (1) referred to the American Jews who vote Democrat as "fucking
> >> retarded" - http://www.mererhetoric.com/archives/11273199.html
> >>
> >> (2) requested a "trident missile and a compass" to deal with Iraqi
> >> insurgents - http://www.mererhetoric.com/archives/000859.html
> >>
> >> (3) referred to the UN as "insipid anti-Western pipsqueeks" -
> >> http://www.mererhetoric.com/archives/11273458.html
> >>
> >> (4) accused Jimmy Carter of "going to bat for a Nazi" (which is true,
> >> incidentally) - http://www.mererhetoric.com/archives/11273183.html
> >>
> >> I don't think that the issue at hand is moderation. I think it's
> smarts.
> >>
> >> I do like how - in a conversation about whether ideological stringency
> >> deadens the ability to detect nuance - you compare the actions of the
> >> Democratic House Speaker to three meaningless Republican backbenchers.
> >> In structured policy debate, that's what we call a "link".
> >>
> >> Omri.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 4/6/2007 2:10 PM matt stannard wrote:
> >> > "Oh hell, things have been really funny on edebate lately?"
> >> >
> >> > "Funny?  How is that possible?"
> >> >
> >> > "Well, a couple of people have put their feet so far down their
> >> > throat they will probably get athlete's uvula."
> >> >
> >> > "Who?  Who?"
> >> >
> >> > "Well, for starters, Omri Ceren called out Andy Ellis for
> >> > being...wait for it... an extremist."
> >> >
> >> > "Omri?  Wait...doesn't that dude advocate retaliatory killings?
> >> > Hasn't he called the Democratic Party 'structurally anti-semitic?'
> >> > Called the 'Democratic base...anti-Jewish?'"
> >> >
> >> > "Yeah.  Real moderate, eh?  The voice of reason."
> >> >
> >> > "...and I just looked at Omri's ridiculous blog.  Did you know he
> >> > echoed the Bush administration's condemnation of Nancy Pelosi for
> >> > visiting Syria, even though a bunch of Republicans also visited Syria
> >> > around the same time?  Do you think Omri mentioned that fact in his
> >> > blog?"
> >> >
> >> > "Of course not."
> >> >
> >> > "Right.  I get confused sometimes.  I thought debate was supposed to
> >> > increase critical thinking skills."
> >> >
> >> > "Yeah, sigh, it does for most people, but apparently not for wannabee
> >> > IDF soldiers."
> >> >
> >> > "Hahaha, like Omri could ever lift a heavy firearm.  Who else is
> >> > involved in this hatefest?"
> >> >
> >> > "Mike Korcok, of course."
> >> >
> >> > "Wait...let me think...I kind of remember that guy.  Mullet, right?"
> >> >
> >> > "When he had hair."
> >> >
> >> > "What did he say?"
> >> >
> >> > "This was the best.  He accused Andy of sitting in an 'ivory tower'
> >> > and ignoring projects like the Urban Debate League."
> >> >
> >> > "But...but...Andy WORKS FOR THE BALTIMORE URBAN DEBATE LEAGUE."
> >> >
> >> > "Yeah, and people have pointed that out, but my money is on Korcok
> >> > either (a) not apologizing for his ignorance, (b) making some excuse
> >> > questioning Andy's authenticity anyway, or (c) both."
> >> >
> >> > "Maybe Korcok and Omri should go join the French Foreign Legion
> >> > together.  But hey, wait, do I have to agree with Andy's initial
> >> > remarks in order to laugh at these two douchebags?"
> >> >
> >> > "Of course not.  Andy raised some important issues, and it's
> >> > reasonable that people will disagree on how to move forward in our
> >> > community.  The permutation is net beneficial: participate in a
> >> > dialogue about increasing access in debate AND laugh at reactionary
> >> > douchebags."
> >> >
> >> > "I'd vote for that!"
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> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
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