[eDebate] [Fwd: Fwd: great debaters... and . ellis is a moron]

Andy Ellis andy.edebate
Wed Dec 19 23:10:03 CST 2007

Me too,nothing to do with it and me too, fat , but quite good looking, but
not the brother ceren part this is where both jesus and doc get it wrong, my
brothers are mostly human, and we all know omri is well, not quite there.

PS. I think its zompetti, I can smell what the rock is cooking and it seems
like the fine stench of mediocrity (jesus's gold stars not with standing)

 *From: * Omri Ceren <ceren at usc.edu> *To:* <edebate at ndtceda.com>
*Date: * 12/19/2007
> 11:05 PM *Subject: * [eDebate] [Fwd:  Fwd: great debaters... and . ellis
> is a moron]
> I thought this would go without saying, but apparently it doesn't - I
> obviously had nothing to do with this semi-literate nonsense.
> Omri.
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [eDebate] Fwd: great debaters... and . ellis is a moron
> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 20:35:00 -0500
> From: jesus christ <omritarded at gmail.com>
> To: edebate at ndtceda.com
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: *jesus christ* <omritarded at gmail.com <mailto:omritarded at gmail.com>>
> Date: Dec 19, 2007 7:22 PM
> Subject: great debaters... o'donnel... ellis is a moron
> To: edebate at ndtceda.com <mailto:edebate at ndtceda.com>
> Now i don't want to get into a rant here but its seems to me that this
> poor fellow knows little of what debate actually looks like:
> "As debaters, this is a story that we all know. Debate helped us find
> our voices and stand up as leaders, just as it did for the debaters at
> Wiley. We've seen a lot of bad debate movies come out over the years,
> but this one has an inspiring story worth spotlighting."
> Does debate really help anybody stand up as a leader... leader in what?
> maybe it helped Klinger lead the nation in baggies purchased  or  maybe
> its helped Tristan  lead the nation in douche-baggery  but does it
> really help anybody stand up for anything? In my observation  much of
> the value debate that happens at the Kritical end of the spectrum just
> confuses everybody about what s right or wrong or what could be right if
> it didn't unify or crystallize or impose judgement on an all ready
> overly judgemental pedagogy of who the fuck cares.
> It seems to me that this new movie will do nothing to make anybody think
> about anything that Doc. Warner hasn't been nagging us all into thinking
> about for the last ten years. (as an aside, does a dead movement still
> need a fat black preacher? sorry doc) has it worked? Will it work if
> Denzel does it?  Will it work if Oprah does it? Fuck no it wont work.
> why wont it work  because debate doesn't teach us to care it teaches to
> forgo caring in the service of thinking. ill see this movie and ill be
> glad that it glorifies to others what i waste so much of my time with
> but  what we do shouldn't be compared as it  isn't what those student
> did, isn't what people think of when the word "debate" is said, isn't
> what Andy's stupid rambling you tube videos wish it could be and isn't
> much more than magic the gathering with literature instead of orcs and
> goblins and shit... just ask Jake Zearing.
> Look, people that care about stuff are generally stupid( don't blame me,
> blame GOD) and people who don't care about stuff are generally pretty
> smart(again not my fault,  blame the Germans or something) and this
> clash of civilizations is exactly that  dumb people with souls versus
> smart people who sold theirs for a speaker award... i know i know "what
> about Luis and Brenda and Obie and  all the smart weirdos" a. they
> aren't that smart. b. they too sold out. The soulless fucks won a long
> time ago not just in debate but in the world at large and its our game
> with our rules  and our glass ceilings and our  token Mexicans and token
> black people and token  hippies. get used to it or kill yourself.
> anyway,  back to leadership. debate doesn't make us into leaders but
> actually into sheep. busy little sheep who produce more in less time
> than the other sheep in our flock(trust me I'm one of these sheep and
> have the gold stars to prove it. if you still don't believe me ask Ross
> Smith he says that  topical education makes us into good little
> bureaucrats so we can dutifully do the work of the state or industry
> without questions that someone who came to lead might be inclined
> toward. what is it that the duck says" DON'T ASK ARGUE".
> now, while I've enjoyed some of his cute little thought experiments in
> the past(fucking with the mediocre, annoying Josh, incoherently rambling
> about why T is equal to genocide) his last post i find particularly
> asinine. i urge you all to go a look at his pasty decrepit mug rambling
> about this "war"  if nothing else it will make you laugh... i promise
> there wont be much thinking involved:
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=rXs8S1n95qY
> didja see it... cute right? here's a little FYI for mister Ellis: NO ONE
> its a game that some people like to play it doesn't mean anything and
> never will. sure there was probably a time when it had the ability to
> shape the political realm in important ways  and sure Denzel and Oprah
> are deluded enough to think it could still. but it cant and it wont and
> just because your teams and the teams you vote for belong in parli and
> get sand kicked in their face by the big mean policy wonks doesn't mean
> you should go on youtube and tell the whole world that the left needs to
> unify and focus on pedagogy and do a little dance about it... luckily
> the Internet is the last refuge of the lonely loser with nothing else to
> do but annoy nobody , in hopes that there is a critical mass of pathetic
> nobodies that will join your cause and revolutionize meaninglessness for
> the rest of us.For the love of god masturbate, do some blow or get a
> real job, stop pretending like any of this matters.
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