[eDebate] to be more blunt

Alfred Snider alfred.snider
Tue Jul 17 12:56:36 CDT 2007

I am not interested in this.

I do not want my new debaters marginalized with a "special" topic.

My proposal does this in a different way: everyone who wants a simpler 
topic can do CEDA with a new topic system, and those who don't want it 
can do NDT.


> The other way to do it would be to have a "normal" resolution along 
> the lines of what Tuna is talking about and a super-duper resolution 
> for national circuit tournaments.  Same idea, different form of 
> isolation (and I would argue a better one).  This would have lots of 
> unintended consequences, and I'm not sure off the top of my head how 
> they would balance out (i.e., would it increase or decrease 
> participation in open divisions at regional tournaments?  I could see 
> it working either way), but it might be worth talking about.
> --Neil Berch
> West Virginia University
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* Josh <mailto:jbhdb8 at gmail.com>
>     *To:* Alfred Snider <mailto:alfred.snider at uvm.edu>
>     *Cc:* Pacedebate at aol.com <mailto:Pacedebate at aol.com> ;
>     edebate at ndtceda.com <mailto:edebate at ndtceda.com>
>     *Sent:* Tuesday, July 17, 2007 1:24 PM
>     *Subject:* Re: [eDebate] to be more blunt
>     Might I make a compromise suggestion?
>     Back in the not so distant past we had a seperate version of the
>     topic that was designed to be more Novice friendly.  I know the
>     immediate reaction will be that this creates a "second class"
>     novice division....However, programs that want novices to debate
>     the novice less confusing option can go to tournaments that
>     support a novice topic and those that dont can go to tournaments
>     that support the normal national topic.
>     I think one thing that has been enthusiastically demonstrated is
>     that there are MANY different approaches to coaching debate and to
>     coaching novice debate,,,In addition, there are many different
>     reasons programs have left or are considering leaving. 
>     I will admit I have always been in the doghouse, in a sense, with
>     coaches who support novice because I ten to not work with novices
>     or develop a novice based squad.  I can understand why people feel
>     that way.
>     We could even have a seperate "novice" wording committee comprised
>     of people who are very expert in what novices need etc.
>     Just a suggestion for us all working together to create a more
>     inclusive community despite our differences,
>     I have, and have always had, the utmost respect for Tuna,
>     Josh
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