[eDebate] Hopping on the Soul Train

scottelliott at grandecom.net scottelliott
Fri Jul 20 18:44:36 CDT 2007

I think Josh has me on the history of commercialized rap. Ouch!

I think the jig is up. I concede. We should all go back to our regularly
scheduled program of NDT/Muzak debate resolutions. Sorry to try to add some
rhythm to the whiteness.

Quoting Josh <jbhdb8 at gmail.com>:

> Your obvious love of the NDT and condemnation of its leadership as a stable
> cabal aside,
> Are you KIDDING.....The best show maybe in the history of all time was Yo
> MTV Raps hosted by Fab Five Freddy.....A close second was the weekday
> afternoon version with Ed Lover and Doctor Dre (the other Doctor Dre).  A
> close third was remote control....Ok, well maybe not remote control.
> Calling Public Enemy, NWA, Tribe Called Quest, and KRS-One "the worst" of
> black music is insane.  Ignoring that everyone from Kool DJ Herc to MC
> Solaar were guests on Yo is close to criminal.
> Some very good books have been written by very good scholars about how white
> music appropriated rap and turned ghetto rap into a commodity fetish for
> white kids....None that I have read blamed early MTV.  In many ways, early
> MTV pushed rap acts (KRS1, Pub E, Tribe) who were very political and
> musically literate...In many ways, they served as a means for people to get
> exposure to Rap acts that were not "popular" (EPMD) but were respected
> compared to larger selling but less interesting acts.
> The truth is that there were two distinct periods of MTV....Once Viacom
> realized what they had/could have in terms of 24 hour product placement MTV
> went from a truly interesting and even sometimes radical music channel to
> the terrible piece of pop cultural disaster that it is now.
> Now, I could go into a long diatribe about the transitions from Blues to
> Jazz to Reggae to R and B through rap.....I certainly could talk about good
> rap vs rap about money, women, and cars.....But to discount rap as "bad
> african american music" really borders on dangerous.
> Josh
> ps. Soul Train survives and is still on TV today.  Don Cornelius retired
> from hosting after 23 years to produce the shows in 1993 (well after MTV's
> rise).

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