[eDebate] Hopping on the Soul Train

Josh jbhdb8
Fri Jul 20 18:56:44 CDT 2007


Oh no, I am pro soul power.....I just think "rap" is a very diverse art
form.

Bring back Don C.

Josh


On 7/20/07, scottelliott at grandecom.net <scottelliott at grandecom.net> wrote:
>
> I think Josh has me on the history of commercialized rap. Ouch!
>
> I think the jig is up. I concede. We should all go back to our regularly
> scheduled program of NDT/Muzak debate resolutions. Sorry to try to add
> some
> rhythm to the whiteness.
>
>
> Quoting Josh <jbhdb8 at gmail.com>:
>
> > Your obvious love of the NDT and condemnation of its leadership as a
> stable
> > cabal aside,
> >
> > Are you KIDDING.....The best show maybe in the history of all time was
> Yo
> > MTV Raps hosted by Fab Five Freddy.....A close second was the weekday
> > afternoon version with Ed Lover and Doctor Dre (the other Doctor
> Dre).  A
> > close third was remote control....Ok, well maybe not remote control.
> >
> > Calling Public Enemy, NWA, Tribe Called Quest, and KRS-One "the worst"
> of
> > black music is insane.  Ignoring that everyone from Kool DJ Herc to MC
> > Solaar were guests on Yo is close to criminal.
> >
> > Some very good books have been written by very good scholars about how
> white
> > music appropriated rap and turned ghetto rap into a commodity fetish for
> > white kids....None that I have read blamed early MTV.  In many ways,
> early
> > MTV pushed rap acts (KRS1, Pub E, Tribe) who were very political and
> > musically literate...In many ways, they served as a means for people to
> get
> > exposure to Rap acts that were not "popular" (EPMD) but were respected
> > compared to larger selling but less interesting acts.
> >
> > The truth is that there were two distinct periods of MTV....Once Viacom
> > realized what they had/could have in terms of 24 hour product placement
> MTV
> > went from a truly interesting and even sometimes radical music channel
> to
> > the terrible piece of pop cultural disaster that it is now.
> >
> > Now, I could go into a long diatribe about the transitions from Blues to
> > Jazz to Reggae to R and B through rap.....I certainly could talk about
> good
> > rap vs rap about money, women, and cars.....But to discount rap as "bad
> > african american music" really borders on dangerous.
> >
> > Josh
> >
> > ps. Soul Train survives and is still on TV today.  Don Cornelius retired
> > from hosting after 23 years to produce the shows in 1993 (well after
> MTV's
> > rise).
> >
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