[eDebate] ans Warner

Michael Korcok mmk_savant
Fri Jul 20 20:11:15 CDT 2007


1) none of that responded to 2 simultaneous topics. the affirmative chooses which to affirm.
none of it, Ede.  none of that long cheesy whatever.  if you don't have a response, cool.
 
2) please stop implying that i am for splitting or separation or whatever.  it isn't so.
it wasn't so 11 years ago and it isn't so now.  this is from July 1996, from a post titled, charmingly enough, "ans Warner":  
 
"look, i hope it is clear in the previous post that i don't have any interest in CEDA vs. NDT:  i have scheduled our fall as nearly exclusively traditional NDT.  that is a large gamble that shared topics will work."  http://www.cs.jhu.edu/~jonathan/debate/ceda-l/archive/CEDA-L-July-1996/msg00232.html
3) you assert that CEDA "failed" and that participation declined before the move to policy or semester-long topics. your claim is fair as far as year-long topics but it is plainly false with respect to policy topics.  Josh is also confused and confusing about this.  here is a rough guide for those who weren't around:
 
late 1980s: CEDA membership grows rapidly.  CEDA Nats regularly breaks 300 teams, membership around 250 colleges and universities.
early 1990s: CEDA membership/participation PEAKS.  Josh wins CEDA Nats in the 1989-1990 season.  a bad omen, apparently.
1991-1992: "policy implications" is run many many rounds by the negative as CEDA takes a hard policy turn.  SMS wins CEDA Nats.
1992-1993: CEDA membership experiences the beginnings of a noticeable decline.  CEDA is now policy-light with most teams running plans.
1993-1995: membership declines continue and accelerate as CEDA adopts full policy resolutions
1995-1996: Mexico is the first year-long topic.  it wins both the fall 1995 and the subsequent spring 1996 election.
1996-1997:  the first "merger" year.  high hopes despite the great exodus.  Kate and Elizabeth write a kick-ass environment topic.  Northwestern wins CEDA, Wake wins NDT.
1997-2007: the activity drifts sideways...  trending down in membership...
 
look, you don't have to be a statistician to see the obvious correlation between policy and decline.  Ken Broda-Bahm pointed to the obvious in 1999:  the membership/participation declines begin as policy ascends and continue post-merger as CEDA goes more and more policy.  the archives are pretty clear about the timelines and no amount of foggy memory or revisionism makes it go away.
 
Michael Korcok
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