[eDebate] Falwell

Andy Ellis andy.edebate
Tue May 15 21:18:17 CDT 2007

This is not a guy who buys pepsi when i am a coke man...its not opples and
boonoonoos...again my argument is not we cant celebrate the good parts its
that the bad parts outweigh them...I will say again i would trade everygood
thing he did in debate if it meant he would not have led the moral majority
to their increidible political power...

On 5/15/07, jpzompe at ilstu.edu <jpzompe at ilstu.edu> wrote:
> Abhoring Falwell's politics, but respecting what he did for debate, is not
> "downright dangerous."
> It is a political reality -- a reality that apparently you have no
> grasp of. The point of the matter is that we live in a world where
> people don't always
> agree.  We have differences.  I don't appreciate some of the comments or
> policies that emerged as a result of Falwell, but that doesn't mean I
> can't
> appreciate some of the good things he did.
> Your politics is the one that is dangerous, Andy.  If we all believed as
> you,
> dogmatism would rampant throughout every town and city in America.  No one
> would ever get along.  Violence would be commonplace in your world, where
> it
> was okay for people to dismiss literally everything other people do or
> believe
> simply because there is a disagreement.
> There is nothing wrong with feeling passionate about what you believe,
> Andy. But therein is where you have more in common with Falwell than
> you'd probably
> like to admit.
> zomp
> Quoting Andy Ellis <andy.edebate at gmail.com>:
> > Uh, there seem to be a few arguments from a resounding number of posts.
> >
> > First let me say.. I apologize to falwells family, friends, students,
> and
> > supporters, if any of them are reading edebate on this terrible day then
> i
> > am sorry if my words have added to their sorrow, and suffering....i
> honestly
> > thought my response was not likely to even be a blip on the "sorrow"
> radar
> > for those intimatly connected to this death, and i honestly still think
> > thats the case...i think its realitivly easy to pile on and say there
> goes
> > andy being rude and insensitive, and this is the worst sin ever, but
> really,
> > its not, and im not at the familys space telling them that their man
> > deserved to die, nor am i desecrating his grave, and in reality if he
> was an
> > important part in your life why the hell are you cocnerened on this day
> > about what i have to say about it?
> >
> > Now some answers....
> >
> > Kevin talks about times when falwell made him smile when he was alive.
> >
> > i agree i love the fact that he submitted himself to a debate community
> that
> > was for the most part hostile to him, in fact i think its a sign that he
> is
> > strong in his convictions.
> >
> > I smiled at these times as well.
> >
> > I also smile when i think about the debate team he created, and the
> region
> > his support helped to thrive.
> >
> > Maybe, at times that didnt seem clear. and maybe it wasnt even at times
> to
> > me, but at the end of the day good job on building a great debate team,
> ill
> > never take that away from him...
> >
> > But i guess when i remember back to those banquets what i most
> appreicated
> > was the way falwell stood by his convictions, he preferred to spar with
> > those who disagreed with him, not to engage in friendly banter with
> those
> > who agreed, he stood from a position of power, i mean he was winning the
> > fight for the soul of america that he had been engaging for several
> decades,
> > and those that vehemetly disagreed with him where a sign of his success.
> >
> >
> > Then a bunch of people say...But damn he did sooooooo much for debate.
> >
> > Let me put this this way. I voted for melissa wade as god on facebook, i
> > think she rocks...solid....if in addition to the debbate work she did
> she
> > started a eurohetropatriarchy supremacist movement, that spread viraly
> > through the american political culture i dont really think i would
> ignore
> > the white supremacist movement in order to celebrate her debate
> > success....simply put i can concede all the jerry good for debate
> arguments
> > and if the cost of all that is the power of the moral majority in
> american
> > politics then its not worth it.
> >
> > Im sorry if that notion is troubling, but to me its absolutly scarry
> that
> > "no one hates  the politics as much as i do" but he WAS good for debate.
> >
> > Did you ever think that perhaps he started and supported the debate team
> and
> > the college in the futherence of that politics?
> >
> > Even not making that argument im just not in the for the "he helped us
> so we
> > will side step his evil" argument. You may say my its good when people i
> > dont like die argument is a jsutification for all sorts of bad stuff,
> but it
> > at least is no worse than " but he was good for debate"
> >
> > Herndon Says...how do you honor his life,...i think its simple, i dont
> > pretend for thesake of civility he did not accomplish all that he did. I
> > vehemetly disagree with what he accomplished, but you all seem to be
> willing
> > to like pretend most of that work didnt occur and al he did was hook up
> some
> > underserved debaters.
> >
> > Lets see what else...
> >
> > why didint you celebrate saddams death, what if you died, you arnt
> > consistent, you are an ass....oh and falwell was not a dictator like pol
> > pot...ok fair enough and neither was che or reagan or cheney , look the
> > point of all that was that people who are as politically revolutionary
> as
> > falwell, inevitably through their success generate dislike and hatred,
> most
> > of them like falwell have some blood on their hands as a result of their
> > politics, thus some people smile when they die....
> >
> >
> > really, i dont get what this fight is about, i may have been
> insensitive,
> > but in order to challeneg my insensitivity you all are making some
> > tragically bad arguments...not all of you mind you, but the ones who say
> " i
> > hate his politics but he has done so much for debate" are downright
> > dangerous.
> >
> --
> Joseph P. Zompetti, Ph.D.
> Director of Forensics
> Illinois State University
> School of Communication
> www.isuforensics.com
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