[eDebate] Fwd: Falwell passes (quick post-script)

Alyse Kraus alyse.kraus
Wed May 16 07:01:05 CDT 2007

And I'm actually going to forward this to the list because I think it's
importantly to publicly answer your biggest arg which is "It shouldn't
matter what I say".  Yesterday I saw the absolute worst side of the debate
community on public display.  That is the thing that makes me most sad.


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From: Alyse Kraus <alyse.kraus at gmail.com>
Date: May 16, 2007 7:57 AM
Subject: Re: [eDebate] Falwell passes (quick post-script)
To: Andy Ellis <andy.edebate at gmail.com>

I would like to think that if someone I disagreed with politically, but that
I knew had done a number of good things for others, passed away that I would
at least show the class, decency, and tact to keep my mouth shut and not
exult in their death.  Especially not a few hours after their passing and
especially not on a listserv that is read by many students of the school
they founded.

I like that you are still incapable of offering a true apology.  Rather than
saying "I am sorry for having said things that are hurtful to others" you
say "Why do you care what I think anyhow?" and try to shift the blame back
to those you offended.

You simply don't get it Andy.  Even if it's from someone who I generally
think seeks opportunities to create division and conflict within our
community whenever possible, it's still depressing to me to see that a few
hours after his death was announced someone in the debate community had the
gall to jump on a public listserv and celebrate the death of another human


Alyse Kraus
Catholic University

On 5/16/07, Andy Ellis <andy.edebate at gmail.com > wrote:
> If you where not surprised that i was the one to make the jackass
> comment,  then why is it hurtful to you, do you care what i think about
> falwell on a day when he died? why?  Do you care that christopher hitchens
> calls him a toad? why? if all you say is true about him then what exactly is
> it that i am doing that is taking something away from you....but really, i
> dont know your politics and wont make assumptions, but  if che gueverra(im
> not calling falwell che as far direct dead bodies go, or whatever, more
> making revolutionary comparison across political times and spectrums) had
> seriously supported debate at say bard, but had also been instrumental in
> the banning of religion and faith in this nation would you really only focus
> on his debate work?
> On 5/15/07, Alyse Kraus < alyse.kraus at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I would also like to point out that, as a member of a community where we
> > frequently hear about programs fading away, being cut, or having to fight
> > for funds, so long as Dr. Falwell was around you would never see that
> > scenario at Liberty. Also, as a coach at a school where the administration
> > has functionally pulled the rug out from under us and ended what was once a
> > successful and vibrant program, I can say that I would have been happy to
> > have a Dr. Falwell as Chancellor or President.  Too often programs need to
> > fight for institutional recognition or support. Dr. Falwell broke the mold
> > and fought for debate using his substantial institutional power and
> > resources.  Many administrators with whom you are probably much more
> > politically compatible have never done half as much.  Remember that the next
> > time you make some comment about schools struggling for funds or how debate
> > excludes people.  Jerry Falwell loved and supported debate and helped build
> > a program where ANYONE who wanted to could learn to debate, get great
> > coaching, and travel to a large number of tournaments every year.  I can't
> > help but wish there were more administrators like him - in that world
> > Catholic, Alabama, and countless other schools might still have programs.
> >
> > Alyse Kraus
> > Catholic University
> >
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