[eDebate] Fwd: Falwell passes (quick post-script)

Andy Ellis andy.edebate
Wed May 16 07:32:55 CDT 2007

Thank you, I appreciate the forwarding of a backchannel,

But my apology is sincere, if my actions increased your suffering, or the
suffering of others who feel that Rev. Falwell was an important part of the
their life, then i apologize...of course there is probably very little i
could do to convince you of the sincerity of my apology, but say again, if
my words have genuinely contributed or increased your sorrow and suffering
then i apologize.

On 5/16/07, Alyse Kraus <alyse.kraus at gmail.com> wrote:
> And I'm actually going to forward this to the list because I think it's
> importantly to publicly answer your biggest arg which is "It shouldn't
> matter what I say".  Yesterday I saw the absolute worst side of the debate
> community on public display.  That is the thing that makes me most sad.
> AK
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Alyse Kraus <alyse.kraus at gmail.com>
> Date: May 16, 2007 7:57 AM
> Subject: Re: [eDebate] Falwell passes (quick post-script)
> To: Andy Ellis <andy.edebate at gmail.com>
> I would like to think that if someone I disagreed with politically, but
> that I knew had done a number of good things for others, passed away that I
> would at least show the class, decency, and tact to keep my mouth shut and
> not exult in their death.  Especially not a few hours after their passing
> and especially not on a listserv that is read by many students of the school
> they founded.
> I like that you are still incapable of offering a true apology.  Rather
> than saying "I am sorry for having said things that are hurtful to others"
> you say "Why do you care what I think anyhow?" and try to shift the blame
> back to those you offended.
> You simply don't get it Andy.  Even if it's from someone who I generally
> think seeks opportunities to create division and conflict within our
> community whenever possible, it's still depressing to me to see that a few
> hours after his death was announced someone in the debate community had the
> gall to jump on a public listserv and celebrate the death of another human
> being.
> Regards,
> Alyse Kraus
> Catholic University
> On 5/16/07, Andy Ellis <andy.edebate at gmail.com > wrote:
> >
> > If you where not surprised that i was the one to make the jackass
> > comment,  then why is it hurtful to you, do you care what i think about
> > falwell on a day when he died? why?  Do you care that christopher hitchens
> > calls him a toad? why? if all you say is true about him then what exactly is
> > it that i am doing that is taking something away from you....but really, i
> > dont know your politics and wont make assumptions, but  if che gueverra(im
> > not calling falwell che as far direct dead bodies go, or whatever, more
> > making revolutionary comparison across political times and spectrums) had
> > seriously supported debate at say bard, but had also been instrumental in
> > the banning of religion and faith in this nation would you really only focus
> > on his debate work?
> >
> > On 5/15/07, Alyse Kraus < alyse.kraus at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I would also like to point out that, as a member of a community where
> > > we frequently hear about programs fading away, being cut, or having to fight
> > > for funds, so long as Dr. Falwell was around you would never see that
> > > scenario at Liberty. Also, as a coach at a school where the administration
> > > has functionally pulled the rug out from under us and ended what was once a
> > > successful and vibrant program, I can say that I would have been happy to
> > > have a Dr. Falwell as Chancellor or President.  Too often programs need to
> > > fight for institutional recognition or support. Dr. Falwell broke the mold
> > > and fought for debate using his substantial institutional power and
> > > resources.  Many administrators with whom you are probably much more
> > > politically compatible have never done half as much.  Remember that the next
> > > time you make some comment about schools struggling for funds or how debate
> > > excludes people.  Jerry Falwell loved and supported debate and helped build
> > > a program where ANYONE who wanted to could learn to debate, get great
> > > coaching, and travel to a large number of tournaments every year.  I can't
> > > help but wish there were more administrators like him - in that world
> > > Catholic, Alabama, and countless other schools might still have programs.
> > >
> > > Alyse Kraus
> > > Catholic University
> > >
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