[eDebate] Problems With The Game

Andy Ellis andy.edebate
Sat Nov 17 12:15:13 CST 2007


that was supposed to be  a backchannel but there is the question....

On Nov 17, 2007 1:14 PM, Andy Ellis <andy.edebate at gmail.com> wrote:
> you seem to be willing tp answer the other questions, how do you
> increase meaningful black particiaption. If a multiverse of
> oppressions exists, it seems it in part exists so you dont have answer
> the question about the blatent anti-black orientation of the ststaus
> quo....to me it seems like you are replacing the central struggle with
> one that you are more comfortable with, without really providing an
> answer to the central question....attempts to not make it central mean
> its no longer urgen to fight for....
>
>
> On Nov 17, 2007 12:15 PM, J T <jtedebate at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Many of these  posts recently refer to participation while simultaneously
> > equating "minority" with "black"---and what about women?  Well two women did
> > win the NDT, so we're covered there--right? And why the hell didn't people
> > make a bigger deal about that? So when two African Americans win do we say:
> > "Next!  Next minority please..."
> >
> > While there is no denying the overwelming lack of participation among
> > "black" students, there are alot of other minorities, such as Latino/a,
> > Pacific Islander, "Asian" that are woefully underrepresented.  Although
> > these discussion are valuable, they are far from inclusive. This is not to
> > say we need token representatives [..."and from the Latino/a
> > delegation..."], or a race roll call, but perhaps a refocusing of the
> > discussion on the more broad-based notion of cultures...
> >
> > Before high school students get to college, how much attention is spent on
> > addressing socio-economic factors such as high school resources, external
> > interests?  How many schools actively recruit minority participation?  Do
> > students in UDLs know your school offers scholarships?  Also, social
> > location can play an important part in the perception of the student and is
> > something Directors should consider in making recruitment decisions.
> >
> > However, once these students start college debate, many perceive it to be
> > unwelcoming, or at least "not for them"...much of this is cultural--a
> > "culture of debate".  This is the area of minority participation that is
> > discussed on edebate.
> > Becoming a more welcoming community means expanding narrow parameters of
> > debate.  Believe me, I'm not one to go ga-ga over performance debate per se,
> > but there should be a way we can adapt our rigidity in terms of
> > argument--what is deemed acceptable can have a definitive impact on incoming
> > perceptions of college debate and the possibility of boosting minority
> > participation.
> >
> >
> >
> > "Massey, Jackie B." <debate at ou.edu> wrote:
> >  As I open two eyes at every tournament
> >
> > not rose colored glasses
> >
> > no hidden reason or misunderstood responsibility
> >
> > the activity is predominately white
> >
> > everyone says we are all good people
> >
> > my question about this game
> >
> > where are all the "black" people at?
> >
> > everything else between our mouths and the reality is only masking our
> > individual complicity in the "squo"
> >
> > maybe debate spoils us in thinking if we say the alternative it
> > happens........
> >
> >
> > massey
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> >
> > JT
> >
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