[eDebate] Admiral Crowe, Making a Free Throw
Mon Oct 22 14:04:49 CDT 2007
October 22, 2007
Re: The Late Admiral Crowe, Making a Good Argument and Making a Free Throw
I join in the general mourning over the late Admiral Crowe. I knew of
him, thought i did not know him. Requiescat in pacem.
However, I have to point out that General Crowe's quip about "never
having to make a free throw" as opposing to having to make a good
argument is, in essence, a twofold shot;
(1) it suggests that athletics and forensics are or should be mutually
(2) it suggests that those of us who are active in the legal and debate
fields are necessarily not working out or staying in shape.
I would suggest that neither is the case. First of all, one of the
finest academics and speakers I know, one of my own high school
classmates, Prof. John DiIulio, Jr., who could bench press close to 400
pounds when I knew him in high school, was a fine athlete, took all that
athletic ability and became a ferocious student and a tremendous writer
of papers and books as a penn undergrad and later as the only other
member of my class to attend Harvard, he as a Ph.D student in the
I'm certain all of your students have quoted John at one time or
another. He's a democrat, not a republican, he continues to work out to
this day, and he's negotiating right now with the democratic party to
open a faith-based office when the democrats win the white house. He
has a big thing going called Public/Private Ventures that is very well
funded here in Philly, along with his Penn Professorship. In essence,
his athletic and workout drive translated into academic and forensic
He's easily a far better speaker than I, and far better than many
trained debaters and attorneys. His students adore him.
Prof. DiIulio also wrote a notorious piece early in Bush's presidency
castigating Bush, after working for him running the faith-based office
for several months, quitting and claiming that Bush's presidency was not
policy, but poll-driven, and implying that Karl Rove was in charge of
things, not the President.
Let's see....yep, that was right on the money, only he wrote it while
Bush was basking in the afterglow of 9/11. Guess he's been proven right
by events. He wrote the first and only cogent analysis of the
dysfunctionality of this white house from the insider's perspective.
Why bother subpoena-ing email records? Just have him testify. He'll
Getting onto free throws, I often shoot a hundred free throws when I
need to clear my mind. Shooting hoop is a very zen process. It's like
going to the driving range. If you're hitting better than 7 out of 10,
your mind is clear and you can start to fill it again with thought.
I play basketball as much as I can at my age with the old guys. Golf,
walking, weights, whatever, it helps me think. plus always bring my
kids, they love to do sports.
Athletes often make fine public speakers. Mike Mayock, who I went to
high school with, is a commentator for ESPN on football related
matters. He's become a fine public speaker. He does our annual hall of
fame banquet every year.
Among debaters, i'm certain you can find many who were both skilled in
debate, and also fine athletes--basketball, tennis, golf, whatever....
The point is, to keep sharp in the mind, to keep logical and thinking
straight, you also have to keep in shape, to my way of thinking.
Debate for weekends is an endurance sport. you can't rely on caffeine
and sugar. you need to be in shape. chess grandmasters stay in
outstanding physical condition for tournaments. debaters and speech
competitors should do the same.
--art kyriazis, philly
Friends Select School Debate/Speech Team
American University, former adjunct travel coach
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> Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 12:17:36 -0500
> From: "Roy Eno" <Roy.Eno at utsa.edu>
> Subject: [eDebate] UTSA Needs Judging at UCO
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