[eDebate] CEDA: Exec Sect Report

NEIL BERCH berchnorto
Mon Oct 29 18:54:16 CDT 2007


Bad guess; my bad.--Neil
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jim Hanson<mailto:hansonjb at whitman.edu> 
  To: NEIL BERCH<mailto:berchnorto at msn.com> ; eDebate eDebate<mailto:edebate at ndtceda.com> ; Jeffrey Jarman<mailto:jeffrey.jarman at wichita.edu> 
  Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 7:45 PM
  Subject: Re: [eDebate] CEDA: Exec Sect Report



  just to respond: I did not write that amendment and don't really have an opinion on the amendment.

  I think given the previous discussions and what neil is saying below--getting this stuff clarified would be a good idea.

  jim :)
  hansonjb at whitman.edu<mailto:hansonjb at whitman.edu>


  From: NEIL BERCH<mailto:berchnorto at msn.com> 
  Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 4:22 PM
  To: eDebate eDebate<mailto:edebate at ndtceda.com> ; Jeffrey Jarman<mailto:jeffrey.jarman at wichita.edu> 
  Subject: Re: [eDebate] CEDA: Exec Sect Report


  A couple of amendment-related thoughts:  I'm sure most of the discussion will be on Jeff's conference proposal, but I'd like to talk about something else (and it would also be cool if amendment sponsors were identified).  Amendment #10 (Final Round Provisions) is a fine idea (leveling the playing field between larger and smaller tournaments by only counting JV or open finals against your quota of three for continued JV eligibility if there are at least full quarters in that division).  The reason I'm posting is that I'm hoping someone will offer a friendly amendment to further specify the phrase "An exception will be made for Junior Varsity national tournaments."  As someone who hosted the largest JV Nationals the past two years, I had to interpret that clause.  I received poison pen emails for my interpretation (which was "The number of finals you've been in or whether you've ever qualified for the NDT doesn't matter; if you are otherwise eligible for JV, you're eligible for JV Nationals.").

  I think the interpretation that Towson is using this year ("if a debater begins the year with junior varsity eligibility that person is eligible to compete at this tournament.") and that Georgetown used in 2005 is the best one for competitive equity.  It lets you compete in JV Nationals if you were in your third final or qualified for the NDT during the current competitive season (avoiding the "I bought plane tickets but then qualified for the NDT a week before JV Nationals" problem), but it says that if you qualified for the NDT or were in your third final last season (in your first season of JV eligibility), you're not eligible for JV Nationals this season.  I didn't use that interpretation because I didn't see how it was supported by the wording of the by-law.

  I'm hoping that folks will discuss this and perhaps amend this otherwise fine proposal to clarify the "exception" issue in whatever way they deem appropriate (but clarify it for sure).  Perhaps the author of Amendment #10 (Maybe Jim Hanson, who has raised this issue before) would consider adopting Towson-like language as a friendly amendment.

  --Neil Berch
  West Virginia University



    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Jeffrey Jarman<mailto:jeffrey.jarman at wichita.edu> 
    To: eDebate eDebate<mailto:edebate at ndtceda.com> 
    Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 5:52 PM
    Subject: [eDebate] CEDA: Exec Sect Report


    Hello Everyone:  Several items to report.

    First, the business meeting is scheduled for Friday, November 16 at  
    9:30am during the NCA annual meeting in Chicago.  A very full slate  
    of amendments has been submitted.  You can find the amendments, a  
    proxy form, and agenda online.  A complete list of all CEDA-sponsored  
    panels is also available under the Business link on the webpage.

    Second, sweepstakes points have been calculated and a third ranking  
    has been produced.  PLEASE check your points and let me know if there  
    is a problem.  Like last year, I will continue to post the updated  
    points by date so you can see how your standing changes throughout  
    the year.  A comprehensive list of points also is available.  Open  
    the file, scroll to your school, and check out how many points you  
    earned at each tournament.

    Third, several offices are open for nominations.  Please consider  
    running for an office in CEDA.  Mike Davis is the chair of the  
    nominations committee.  He must have your name by the close of the  
    business meeting in Chicago.  You do not need to be present to be  
    nominated.  The positions up for election include 2nd VP, Topic  
    Committee, Treasurer, Executive Secretary, and Regional Reps from  
    Northeast, Mid Atlantic, Rocky Mountain, Southern California, North  
    Central and South Central.

    If you have questions, please let me know.

    Jeff




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