[eDebate] CEDA: Exec Sect Report

Jeffrey.Jarman Jeffrey.Jarman
Mon Oct 29 19:19:35 CDT 2007

I will clarify this on the web later, but the authors are:

Amendments 1-3:  Jeff Jarman
Amendment 4:  Joe Patrice
Amendments 5-11:  Darren Elliott


>===== Original Message From NEIL BERCH <berchnorto at msn.com> =====
>Bad guess; my bad.--Neil
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Jim Hanson<mailto:hansonjb at whitman.edu>
>  To: NEIL BERCH<mailto:berchnorto at msn.com> ; eDebate 
eDebate<mailto:edebate at ndtceda.com> ; Jeffrey 
Jarman<mailto:jeffrey.jarman at wichita.edu>
>  Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 7:45 PM
>  Subject: Re: [eDebate] CEDA: Exec Sect Report
>  just to respond: I did not write that amendment and don't really have an 
opinion on the amendment.
>  I think given the previous discussions and what neil is saying 
below--getting this stuff clarified would be a good idea.
>  jim :)
>  hansonjb at whitman.edu<mailto:hansonjb at whitman.edu>
>  From: NEIL BERCH<mailto:berchnorto at msn.com>
>  Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 4:22 PM
>  To: eDebate eDebate<mailto:edebate at ndtceda.com> ; Jeffrey 
Jarman<mailto:jeffrey.jarman at wichita.edu>
>  Subject: Re: [eDebate] CEDA: Exec Sect Report
>  A couple of amendment-related thoughts:  I'm sure most of the discussion 
will be on Jeff's conference proposal, but I'd like to talk about something 
else (and it would also be cool if amendment sponsors were identified).  
Amendment #10 (Final Round Provisions) is a fine idea (leveling the playing 
field between larger and smaller tournaments by only counting JV or open 
finals against your quota of three for continued JV eligibility if there are 
at least full quarters in that division).  The reason I'm posting is that I'm 
hoping someone will offer a friendly amendment to further specify the phrase 
"An exception will be made for Junior Varsity national tournaments."  As 
someone who hosted the largest JV Nationals the past two years, I had to 
interpret that clause.  I received poison pen emails for my interpretation 
(which was "The number of finals you've been in or whether you've ever 
qualified for the NDT doesn't matter; if you are otherwise eligible for JV, 
you're eligible for JV Nationals.").
>  I think the interpretation that Towson is using this year ("if a debater 
begins the year with junior varsity eligibility that person is eligible to 
compete at this tournament.") and that Georgetown used in 2005 is the best one 
for competitive equity.  It lets you compete in JV Nationals if you were in 
your third final or qualified for the NDT during the current competitive 
season (avoiding the "I bought plane tickets but then qualified for the NDT a 
week before JV Nationals" problem), but it says that if you qualified for the 
NDT or were in your third final last season (in your first season of JV 
eligibility), you're not eligible for JV Nationals this season.  I didn't use 
that interpretation because I didn't see how it was supported by the wording 
of the by-law.
>  I'm hoping that folks will discuss this and perhaps amend this otherwise 
fine proposal to clarify the "exception" issue in whatever way they deem 
appropriate (but clarify it for sure).  Perhaps the author of Amendment #10 
(Maybe Jim Hanson, who has raised this issue before) would consider adopting 
Towson-like language as a friendly amendment.
>  --Neil Berch
>  West Virginia University
>    ----- Original Message -----
>    From: Jeffrey Jarman<mailto:jeffrey.jarman at wichita.edu>
>    To: eDebate eDebate<mailto:edebate at ndtceda.com>
>    Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 5:52 PM
>    Subject: [eDebate] CEDA: Exec Sect Report
>    Hello Everyone:  Several items to report.
>    First, the business meeting is scheduled for Friday, November 16 at
>    9:30am during the NCA annual meeting in Chicago.  A very full slate
>    of amendments has been submitted.  You can find the amendments, a
>    proxy form, and agenda online.  A complete list of all CEDA-sponsored
>    panels is also available under the Business link on the webpage.
>    Second, sweepstakes points have been calculated and a third ranking
>    has been produced.  PLEASE check your points and let me know if there
>    is a problem.  Like last year, I will continue to post the updated
>    points by date so you can see how your standing changes throughout
>    the year.  A comprehensive list of points also is available.  Open
>    the file, scroll to your school, and check out how many points you
>    earned at each tournament.
>    Third, several offices are open for nominations.  Please consider
>    running for an office in CEDA.  Mike Davis is the chair of the
>    nominations committee.  He must have your name by the close of the
>    business meeting in Chicago.  You do not need to be present to be
>    nominated.  The positions up for election include 2nd VP, Topic
>    Committee, Treasurer, Executive Secretary, and Regional Reps from
>    Northeast, Mid Atlantic, Rocky Mountain, Southern California, North
>    Central and South Central.
>    If you have questions, please let me know.
>    Jeff
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