[eDebate] Fwd: hester/edebate moderation (From Alicia Hunt)
Thu Apr 3 00:08:38 CDT 2008
Alicia Hunt asked me to post this for her. Don't shoot the messenger.
Begin forwarded message:
> From: "Alicia Hunt" <huntali1 at gmail.com>
> Date: April 3, 2008 1:06:29 AM GMT-04:00
> To: adamhfar at umich.edu
> Subject: re: hester/edebate moderation
> Adam, please post for me.
> This thread should not at all be about Kacey. This thread should
> be about what remedy the community is willing to come up with for a
> very real problem with edebate and archiving messages. I think
> your paragraph about Kacey's character illustrates the point that a
> lot of inappropriate things are said on edebate about real people
> and they have unfortunate consequences beyond the immediate
> readership. I'm not even in the college community any more and I
> was forwarded this message within the hour because it contains such
> a negative caricature of Kacey, my friend. If you want to think
> the things you posted about her in private - more power to you, but
> you obviously don't know her, so you should probably not share
> those ideas with a mass audience. "Insensitive debaters" are
> sometimes real people who have spent years hearing lies, gossip,
> and rumors spread about them for no good reason. The "suffering"
> you think she took great joy in is probably more aptly
> characterized as "Kacey was an extremely talented policy debater
> and enjoyed competing at the highest levels of the activity."
> Would her humanity be an issue had she been a male participant?
> Have you seriously ever characterized Jim or Geoff as being
> insensitive and inflicting "suffering" on their opponents because
> they like to win debates? Perhaps it would have been more post-
> modern or poetic for you had Kacey enjoyed handing her opponents
> bags of feces in debates, but I think as a highly competitive woman
> in debate, she realized that it was far more socially acceptable to
> take shit than to dole it out.
> You are not required to "sympathize" with Kacey's personal
> experiences in order to correct the edebate post/archiving messages
> problem. In fact, I don't think Kacey wants your sympathy - all
> she ever asked for was that the community take responsibility for
> policing its list messages! I participated in DCA bios which were
> very much over the line and I regret that now because it has
> serious consequences beyond what I ever considered while writing
> them. I agree with Kacey that they should come down if people
> object. People who DID NOT WRITE MESSAGES are being burned by
> them. This a needless practice. You don't have to like me or
> think that what I did in debate was humane to agree that this fight
> is stupid and that it would be really easy just to take the
> objectionable messages down.
> As a totally personal aside, I also think you owe Kacey an
> apology. It shouldn't be "the cool thing to do" to crucify people
> for trying to take actions for the good of the community. Those
> turn out to be the people that make the community worth being a
> part of in the end. I'm lucky that I met Kacey in debate - I
> "suffered" through being her opponent (once, it was a preset) and
> her co-worker at a debate institute. If you actually talked to
> her, you would probably enjoy her sense of fashion, her humor, and
> yes.... her concern for serious issues that affect the debate
> community. She has a great sense of perspective; I think you would
> realize she is pretty good at coming up with solutions for problems
> that no one else is willing to address.
> Alicia Hunt
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