[eDebate] A Message to the Debate Community

Andy Ellis andy.edebate
Mon Apr 7 15:44:40 CDT 2008

While i wish josh was right, i would say that there was a decent amount of
hallway chatter and barroom banter at the NDT that definitely had a racial
tone to it. I know i am sensitive about these type of things and right now
im not gonna call out particular people (not because i think thats a bad
idea, but because it was often difficult to identify or know who the person
speaking was) This does not mean there was not also an out pouring of
support, but there are some people who should be ashamed. None of us where
paying too much attention, we where busy debating coaching and all other
things team related  to securing  five wins and a first ever clearing at the
ndt for towson...but believe me if you where one of the people making
comments (often times visabaly in my presence-though never in the presence
of dayvon and deven) i will through the summer be discussing some of

On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 4:33 PM, Josh <jbhdb8 at gmail.com> wrote:

> First, I think there has been a large outpouring of support and cheers
> even on edebate for Towson.  I personally have seen about twenty letters
> just on edebate (and personally tried to find every coach and debater and
> offered congrats myself in email and face to face at the NDT).
> Second, I think anytime a team that hasn't cleared at most major
> tournaments it comes as a suprise that they won a tournament.  In this case
> a happy suprise.  I honestly hope that none of the "backlash" you are
> referring to has to do with race....If you have felt that way that is really
> too bad.  If the community really was that reactionary and unaccepting how
> could Towson have won the CEDA tournament?
> I also think given the back-to-back nature of CEDA-NDT sometimes
> congratulations are not loud enough.
> If people have not said it enough, CONGRATS to Towson and all of their
> coaches.  As a former CEDA national champion, I am very pleased to welcome
> Towson to the list of former champs!  What you accomplished is incredible
> and should be celebrated,
> Josh
> On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 4:25 PM, Adam Jackson <baltimoredebate at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > As a sidebar from the obviously important topic discussion...
> >
> > I have a question for the debate community...
> > What have black people done to deserve the treatment we get in this
> > activity?
> >
> > All of you can run ANYTHING you want and people stay silent (i.e.
> > Imperialism good, the "gangsta mentality") . At almost every tournament, the
> > majority of the top debaters who win are white men. AND you
> > are regarded within the highest levels of success in policy debate,
> > politics, economics and class.
> >
> > But why is it when two black men win a tournament like CEDA, arguing for
> > things we care about, there's a public outcry to how "wrong" it is?
> >
> > I know this hasn't been a subject of too much controversy on eDebate,
> > but it has been on a lot of news sites and blogs, and I'm totally sick to my
> > stomach with all the disgusting and deplorable comments made in
> > Towson's direction.
> >
> > Have we done you wrong or something?
> >
> > Have we been "too black" lately?
> >
> > We're not assimilating fast enough for ya?
> >
> > All the work we do to liberate ourselves psychologically from this white
> > world, of white supremacy according to your white standards, and YOUR the
> > one's who are mad when WE get sick and tired of adhering to them.
> >
> > The part that makes it even worse is that the majority of you won't even
> > recognize how fucked up it is, and I'm pissed off about it.
> >
> > I've been quiet the past few week, but now I'm done being quiet...
> >
> >
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