[eDebate] Knowing when NOT to debate

Ede Warner ewarner
Tue Apr 8 12:39:42 CDT 2008

1) He said that there were many other experiences that validate his
feelings; he chose not to share them all.
2) Don't you see that your attempts to debate/rationalize his feelings
stem from your depression, not whether or not his feelings are valid;
3) Your attempts to "debate" his logic, only creates more alienation
from those with a different set of experiences, feeling that your
concerns Duane have more to do with us making claims that reinforce
white personal comfort.  Is it possible for you to
accept/concede/acknowledge that Dayvon's experiences are sufficient for
him to draw his conclusions in the same ways that you do?  And if not,
do you not realize that his hesitancy to post/participate and engage the
predominately white debate community is because of what you just did,
minimize his experiences by imposing your attempts at proving his logic
4) Again, that is institutional racism at work Duane.  The collective
experiences of the majority don't have to be right or correct, but will
be popular because they are shared by the majority.  Could Dayvon's
experiences, if accepted not be an important starting point for you to
consider what needs to be done to create productive change, if you could
suspend your desire to critique his experiences?  Can you not see why
your rhetorical move is not productive?  Or is your only goal to prove
to Dayvon that you are right and he is wrong, whether or not the sum
total of experiences, yours and his, supports such a claim?
5) What if everyone in the Great Debaters, had done what you just did? 
Would the room full of whites have learned anything from the black
experience of lynching as it relates to civil disobedience?  But it was
only a few whites that created legal lynching, right?
Feeling depressed that the same stuff just happens over and over
With love and frustration, 
Ede Warner, Jr.
Director of Debate Society/Associate Professor of Communication
University of Louisville
308E Strickler Hall
ewarner at louisville.edu 


From: Duane Hyland <privethedge at yahoo.com>
To:Dayvon Love <dplove05 at yahoo.com>, <edebate at ndtceda.com>
Date: 4/8/2008 01:27 PM
Subject: Re: [eDebate] Answering Adam's Question
I have to ask this question - you're convinced that
white people are racist because of the behavior of 16
year olds in competition who happened to be white? I'm
not sure if you coach or not at the high school level,
i have for about 20 years - I've found that kids that
age will beg, borrow, steal, cheat, lie, and just
about stab their own sweet mother if they think its
going to give them a leg up. What you've stated sounds
more like misplaced arrogance than racism in the
former, and example of what I typed above in the
latter - unfortunate, sure - but not restricted to
white people.

It's a shame that you took these two incidents and
decided that we white people are the devil!!:( I think
they prove one of my favorite lines in Glory Road -
"Knuckleheads come in all colors."

I read your post..it's depressing.


        "You may be whatever you resolve to be." Thomas J. Jackson"
"If all mankind minus one were of one opinion and only one person were
of the contrary opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing
that person that he, if he had the power, would be in silencing mankind?
If the opinion is right, they are deprived of the opportunity of
exchanging error for truth; if wrong, they lose, what is almost as great
a benefit, the clearer perception and livelier impression of truth,
produced by  its collision with error." John S. Mill
  Who said Dr. Who isn't Funny: "Rose: You Didn't Have to Kill him!
Dalek: "Neither did we need him to live."
Dalek to Cyberman: :"You are Superior to us in one respect." Cyberman:
"What is that?" Dalek: "Dying!"

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