[eDebate] An Outsiders Perspective on "No Justice, No Peace"

nicholas brady nicholas.brady89
Tue Aug 5 00:49:25 CDT 2008

I probably have brought in something potentially dangerous into the
argument. In the latter part of my post, I was saying a compromise would be
to either construct an outside organization and -- in much the same way UDLs
do -- train ur debaters in this kind of environment while still
"integrating" them into the larger debate community structure. Or you can
redraw district maps to create a District X as some members are pushing for
so we can have a majority UDL-school district (by UDL schools, i mean teams
that have a lot of students from UDLs or participate in coaching in UDLs).
Me bringing UDLs into this is not to be used as evidence to create a wholly
separatist institution, but as a means to compromise. I think its useful to
not only have separate institutions but also force integration into larger
society. I think this is much the same way our society works and how this
greater Black Freedom struggle has unveiled itself in the larger society.

Honestly the point of my post was really to help ya'll see that maybe there
is compromise that can actually help out all parties. In much the same way
that many schools participate in the ADA, you can have a seperate
institution that allows for a different form of policy debate (but still is
policy debate) that can act as a training ground and more importantly
perhaps a testing ground for a new evolution in debate. Honestly I see
revolutionary possibilities in some sort of seperate institution: a
district, a region, a league, or w/e. As Stokeley Carmichael would say, you
have to separate until your strong enough to actually force the majority
society to integrate. There actually is not as much difference between
integration and seperation as you might think.

On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 10:14 PM, Ede Warner <ewarner at louisville.edu> wrote:

>  Creating separatist organizations to prepare minorities for living in a
> majority world is fine.  Using that however to run from institutional racism
> that exists in sites of power and privilege are not.  The UDL's are
> wonderful sites of inspiration, preparation and training for urban
> students.  They are not a replacement for challenging sites of dominant
> white power and privilege like national caliber interscholastic debate.
> There is no replacement for being a minority in a majority-run democracy.
> You can't run or hide from the inevitable impact this has on a minority's
> life.  There is no evidence that HBCU's have interest in a Black only
> organization.  There is monumental evidence that HBCU's left NDT debate when
> they couldn't have audience-oriented, persuasive policy debates with
> predominately white institutions.
> >>>
>   *From: * "nicholas brady" <nicholas.brady89 at gmail.com> *To:* <
> edebate at ndtceda.com> *Date: * 8/4/2008 09:16 PM *Subject: * [eDebate] An
> Outsiders Perspective on "No Justice, No Peace"
> So I am not really involved in this argument between Mr. Elliot, Dr.
> Warner, and (to a lesser extent) Adam but i thought i would chime in a bit
> of truth to the discussion.
> There is evidence for this whole seperatist league thing and it is in the
> very history of our current CEDA champions. The Baltimore Urban Debate
> League and other UDLs -- from what i can see -- is more responsible for
> increasing minority participation than anything else. The reason why Dayvon
> and others begun debating had nothing to do with Louisville and their
> project -- they started debating long before they had any knowledge of this
> whole shabangabang. I think its time we get to a heart of the matter and
> stop doing this bickering that really helps out nothing.
> The UDLs were created to give minority students a chance to open up their
> argumentative wings and use this as an educational tool to increase reading
> and comprehension. It was also made because we all know that there are
> people that are simply made to debate but come from educational systems that
> give no oppurtunities for debate, any kid from Baltimore -- Dayvon, Adam,
> and myself included -- was in this situation before the BUDL. The BUDL was a
> seperate -- and majority latino, black, and female league -- institution
> from the majority white BCFL. Despite this seperatism of sorts it helped to
> introduce and foster a love of debate for kids who would have otherwise
> never had the oppurtunity.
> Ask the CEDA champions about seperatist debate organizations and -- if they
> are telling the truth -- they should tell u that it can be a potentially
> liberating, highly educational training ground.
> With that being said the BUDL has many, many different problems in its
> organizations and the UDL system does need some reform. This is neither the
> time nor the place for that, but i'm sure Dr. Warner can attest to the power
> of UDLs too. I think beyond the posturing Dr. Warner and Mr. Elliot actually
> agree with each other to a certain extent.
> Despite his rude bluntness and incorrect usage, Mr. Elliot is bringing to
> the table an idea that potentially can be used. I know for a fact that Andy
> Ellis is suggesting reform to the CEDA districting to would create a
> seperate league of sorts for UDL debaters and has been passionate about
> helping to make teams in HBCUs. I think there is room for compromise between
> the two of you. As much as both of you disdain bridge building -- Mr. Elliot
> moreso than Dr. Warner -- I think there could be something great in the
> suggestions of both of ur post.
> Just my thoughts
> -Nick
> Leader of a Crunk Revolution

Nicholas Brady
BSU Community Service Chair
Youth Commissioner to the Mayor representing the 4th District
Founder of the Alpha Wolf Party
"This history in the making
Now shut up and let me make it"
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