[eDebate] reply to Carver

Art Kyriazis akbiotech
Tue Aug 5 20:14:46 CDT 2008

Note to Mr. Carver:

as Groucho Marx once remarked, I wouldn't want to join a club that would 
have me as a member.  obviously mr. carver thinks the ceda website is 
some kind of place for posting jokes instead of a serious debate 
website.  I posted a very serious note about my availability to judge at 
two, and only two, tournaments, those being  Kings College and Clarion.  
I specifically emailed the Michigan people that I was unavailable for 
their judging needs due to distance, vacation plans and the 
un-economical nature of bringing in a hired judge all the way from the 
east coast.  I suggested they hire Patrick Rose, Esquire, a former 
Harvard debater, a very highly skilled trial and appellate attorney and 
policy debate judge who teaches appellate advocacy, moot court and civil 
procedure at Thomas Cooley School of Law.

i've been doing this policy debate stuff now more than thirty-five 
years.   I had a pleasant year last year coaching high school debate.  
Guess they're more respectful down there.

I don't expect your immediate respect.  I know I have to earn it.  But I 
take this stuff seriously and I will always flow your rounds and give 
you a fair decision. 

And being serious, there's casual, there's really casual, and then 
there's Shanahan. 

Here's a story.  I remember going to the Grammies and the Sony 
afterparty in New York City with my clients and their friends Tommie 
Morello and Rage Against the Machine about twelve years ago, and even 
rock stars dress in black tuxedo Armani, shirt buttoned, no tie, their 
women dress in slinky designer dresses, and the rap stars dress in 
expensive ski jackets and very expensive sunglasses.  And Armani is a 
designer, not a kritik. 

Now Rage Against Machine is as radical left as you can get.  Their 
website was actually ordered pulled down by the Bush administration 
after 9/11 because it was too radical.  They have spent almost twenty 
years championing the cause of Mumia Abu Jamal's freedom, which in 
Philly is VERY controversial.  And yet they had the courage to come to 
this town and say out loud they wanted the man to be free, even though 
the cops guarding them wanted to kill them for saying it. 

Now I submit, that takes real courage.  Not like hiding behind a 
computer and mocking someone's name.  That is a cowardly and stupid act, 
by contrast.

So, Carver, when are YOU going to do something as brave as Tommie 
Morello and Rage Against Machine?  When are you going to stand up for 
your rights, to quote Bob Marley?  What have you done lately to 
challenge the status quo, if you're so radical?

I mean, there's a dress code and a conduct code even among rock stars.  
You'd think debaters, who truly wish to be rock stars, would have them 
too.  Rock stars dress a certain way and conduct themselves a certain 
ethical way, at least the good ones like Rage and Bono do.  And Tommie 
Morello is really a humble guy. 

--Art Kyriazis

Carver wrote:
> Counter offer:
> You drive the Kyriasakamistakis mobile to Ann Arbor tonight and I will give
> you fifteen buck a round to judge my camp tourney debates. You can ever
> dress like it's a funeral
> JC
> On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Art Kyriazis <akbiotech at comcast.net> wrote:
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